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Citiraj:

The Intel Arc B570 becomes most interesting when taking into account its $219 price point and that for Linux users is backed by fully open-source and upstream drivers.

Ima i AMD open source drivere, a ispada da je B580 pandan 7600, s time da je u nekim situacijama i dosta ispod. Meni se kod ovih intel kartica najviše sviđa dizajn, jednostavno i bez gluposti.

Najveći problem je kaj ih izuzev nekoliko američkih dućana, skoro, pa nigdje nema za kupiti, posebice po tim reklamiranim cijenama, a performansama su u rangu prošle i pretprošle Radeon i GeForce generacije donjeg dijela tržišnog segmenta. Obzirom na Intelovu sveopću situaciju i činjenicu da praktički rasprodaju, gase ili zatvaraju sve kaj im stvara trošak, ostaje samo pitanje vremena kad budu se domogli i ARC GPU divizije, jer su puno veći i profitabilniji odjeli otišli u ruke novih vlasnika ili su pak kompletno ugašeni.

Po meni je super imati i treću stranu na tom nesretnom GPU tržištu. Ja, doduše, još uvijek čekama Larabee :D

Da, tak je i ta cijela priča počela, tj. ljudi su na točno taj način čekali nove kartice, ali od prvog dana je sve bilo u rukama prodavača magle od kojih je još samo Tom Petersen u opticaju.

Citiraj:

Intel reportedly abandoned higher-end ARC Xe2 "Battlemage" dGPU project last year:kafa:

Citiraj:

Intel GPU enthusiasts have been waiting patiently for news regarding higher-end models; ever since the launches of wallet-friendly Arc Xe2 "Battlemage" B580 and B570 graphics cards. As the cliché goes; recent silence has been deafening—we last heard about a speculative expanded lineup of B-series SKUs around late January. At the time, three mysterious "Battlemage" PCI identifiers turned up online; courtesy of Tomasz Gawroński's detective work. Opinions were split about the exact nature of these leaked "BMG" IDs; one camp envisioned Team Blue having professional variants of their existing B580 in the pipeline—presumably with generously specced pools of 24 GB VRAM onboard. A more optimistic group posited that Intel's Arc Xe2 desktop gaming family would welcome more potent "B750, B770," and (maybe) "B780" SKUs.

Yesterday, Tomasz Gawroński (aka GawroskiT) interacted with another notable source of inside track information: Jaykihn (jaykihn0). Plenty of Team Blue-related "scoops" have emerged via Jaykihn's social media channel; mostly predictions regarding upcoming desktop, mobile and enterprise CPUs. Their latest leak indicates Intel's alleged abandoning of a high-end/larger "BMG-G31" GPU die in 2024; within the third quarter of that year. Insiders have long insisted that the Arc Xe2 "Battlemage" project navigated choppy waters during development; hence the appearance of endless theories about the whole caboodle being called off. Jaykihn clarified that he believes that a "retail" launch of "BMG-G31" dGPUs will no longer take place. Many watchdogs will assume that a gap will be filled by forthcoming Arc Xe3 "Celestial" discrete GPUs. Jaykihn stated that they have no fresh insights into how that project is going.

Izvor: TechPowerUp

Citiraj:

MSI is expected to utilize AMD’s Ryzen AI Z2 Extreme APU for their next “Claw” gaming handheld, potentially ditching Intel:fiju:

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MSI reportedly plans to release the "Claw" handheld featuring AMD's Ryzen Z2 AI Extreme APU, potentially shifting away from Intel to prioritize high-end performance. With Intel's Lunar Lake "Core Ultra 200V" processors, there weren't many handhelds adopting the lineup, but the one product that did stand out was the MSI Claw 8 AI+ device, which was not only the company's first handheld device, but it was basically one of the first "Core Ultra" gaming handhelds as well. It is claimed that MSI plans to switch towards Team Red for a future handheld release in the Claw lineup, potentially adopting the Ryzen Z2 lineup and ending the exclusivity with Intel's processors.

However, we are unaware of whether MSI will entirely shift to AMD, similar to its competitors like ASUS, or will have a lineup offering both Intel/AMD options, but the latter seems highly unlikely since integrators need to be in an "exclusive" agreement with either of the CPU manufacturers. It is claimed that MSI will utilize the flagship Ryzen Z2 AI Extreme model, an APU that was recently disclosed in a leak. This particular model is said to feature a dedicated NPU engine but is said to be of similar specifications to the Ryzen Z2 Extreme, which comes in a total of 8 cores and 16 threads configuration, maximum boost clock of 5.0 GHz, and a 16-core RDNA 3.5 iGPU. Compared to the Intel Core Ultra 7 258V, the Ryzen Z2 AI Extreme is expected to dominate gaming workloads, which might be one of the reasons why MSI has decided to switch vendors.

For now, nothing is official, but the rumor does show that AMD has managed to attract most of the manufacturers in the handheld segment and has created a dominant market share.

Izvor: Internet

Help us, Intel. You're our only hope:kafa:

Citiraj:

This video is a mix of information gathering and 'talking head' style content. We're reporting on Intel's current position with new information from its Arc GPU partners, plus providing our own commentary and opinions about how Intel's position in the GPU market is more important than it may seem. Intel isn't vying for first -- it's vying for second, and that means someone to keep AMD in check rather than allowing AMD to comfortably sit with status quo. Maybe with the two of them fighting each other, there could be a real chance at better low-end and mid-range GPUs. This is just us talking about it all.

Svaka čast Heavy Metal Steveu na pomalo naivno optimističnom ARC osvrtu, posebice obzirom na aktualno stanje cijele firme, ali bojim se da Intel nije u poziciji da nekome pomognu.

Citiraj:

MSI Claw A8 with Ryzen Z2 Extreme tested: performance rival for Lunar Lake:fiju:

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The brand, previously known for using only Intel chips, is now first to market with a next-generation AMD-based handheld. MSI was the first, and essentially the only major brand, to adopt Meteor Lake for a gaming handheld. However, that version was (simply put) a commercial failure. MSI later upgraded it to use Lunar Lake and even released a new version with a larger 8-inch screen. Despite early setbacks, the Core Ultra 200V-based handheld remains one of the best gaming systems on the market, thanks to its significantly improved Xe2 graphics architecture.

The Ryzen Z2 Extreme also features a newer architecture and now includes RDNA 3.5 graphics, an upgrade from the previous generation’s RDNA 3. The GPU subsystem has also been improved, with the Radeon 890M now offering 16 Compute Units. 2 Extreme delivers strong performance across a wide power range. At 35W, it scores over 3600 points for GPU and 8800 for CPU in 3DMark Time Spy, matching the HX 370 in graphics but trailing in CPU. It clearly outperforms the older Z1E and competes closely with Intel’s Core Ultra 258V, offering better CPU performance but slightly lower GPU results. At 12W, the Z2E surpasses the Z1E by a noticeable margin and nearly matches the 370, pulling ahead in efficiency when total system power is equal. At 25W and above, performance is similar between Z2E and HX 370, with Z2E offering better power efficiency.

In real-world gaming, the Z2E shows strong efficiency, especially in low to mid power ranges. In Ghost of Tsushima at 11-13W, it delivers the highest frame rate and longest battery life at around 3 hours and 40 minutes. In more demanding games like Expedition 33, it maintains over 30 FPS, while the Z1E falls behind. In lighter titles 2E leads at low power levels, achieving up to 8.5 hours of battery life. However, Intel’s 258V still dominates ultra-low-power gaming, maintaining stable 60 FPS at very low wattages and offering up to 11 hours of battery life in some cases.

Izvor: VideoCardz

Citiraj:

Intel opens up XeSS 2 to nVidia and AMD GPUs with SDK 2.1.0:frend:

Citiraj:

Intel on Thursday released the XeSS 2 SDK version 2.1.0, with which it announced support for non-Intel GPUs. This would be any GPU that supports Shader Model 6.4, which are GeForce GTX 10-series "Pascal" or newer from nVidia, and Radeon RX 5000 RDNA from AMD, or newer. The update opens up not just super resolution (XeSS SR), but also frame generation (XeSS FG) and low latency (XeLL), however, using XeLL requires XeSS FG to be enabled, it cannot be exclusively used. The release of XeSS 2 SDK would make it possible for game developers to update their binaries to support XeSS 2, and expose the feature-set to even non-Intel GPUs. At a hardware-level, XeSS 2 would rely on DP4a compute to run its super resolution and frame generation models. Only on Intel Arc "Alchemist" or "Battlemage" GPUs will the technology leverage XMX accelerators.

Izvor: TechPowerUp

Citiraj:

MSI Claw handhelds with Ryzen Z2 Extreme & Intel Lunar Lake tested against one another:fiju:

Citiraj:

The AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, which is also the top-of-the-line SoC in the Z2 lineup, is showing noticeably higher performance on the Claw A8 when compared to the Claw 8 AI+. The latter uses the Lunar Lake Ultra 7 258V, an 8-core/8-thread chip based on the TSMC N3B process node, which brings the Eight Xe2-based GPU cores. The Z2 Extreme, on the other hand, is based on the older TSMC 4nm node but offers 8 cores and 16 threads with clocks reaching up to 5.0 GHz. The iGPU is equivalent to the Radeon 890M, bringing 16 compute units based on RDNA 3.5 architecture.

With such improvements on the MSI Claw A8, naturally, gamers will likely pick the Z2-based version for smoother performance, particularly when it offers a higher TDP range, which can go as high as 35W. Nonetheless, Lunar Lake still shows impressive performance and could bring similar or better value if the price for the Claw 8 AI+ is lowered. Up until now, most handheld manufacturers opted for the custom Ryzen APUs and Strix Point chips for their latest handhelds, and the Ryzen Z2 lineup offers a solution for every budget (from 4-core to 8-core APUs). Intel Lunar Lake, on the other hand, doesn't offer versatile options and sticks to only 8-core chips.

Izvor: Wccftech