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Taproot7 24.02.2025. 13:54
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Autor Dottore (Post 3790403)
Zadnje batcheve su rabili na San Diegu s.939. To je i ovislo overclocku. Poslije toga više nije spominjalo.
Kolega, možete li molim Vas objasniti na hrvatskom jeziku značenje ove rečenice? Zadnje batcheve čega su rabili gdje i kakve veze to ima sa Zen5 procesorima? Hvala.

The Exiled 24.02.2025. 20:37
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AMD 9800X3D 'failures/deaths' Reddit megathread indicates the vast majority may be happening on ASRock motherboards:kafa:
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Ryzen 7 9800X3D processors appear to be dying at an abnormally high rate on ASRock motherboards, to the point where the issue has gained the attention of ASRock Reddit moderators. Moderator SoupaSoka on the ASRock subreddit created a "9800X3D Failures/Deaths" megathread revealing an allegedly high amount of user reports surrounding dying 9800X3Ds on ASRock motherboards. Over 40 reports have been made so far, with 32 of them on ASRock's boards.

The megathread reveals that Ryzen 7 9800X3D deaths in association with ASRock motherboards, while abnormally high, seem to be occurring in an inconsistent fashion. Some 9800X3D's are allegedly dying during boot-up, while some are dying within hours, days, or weeks of ownership. Some reports also claim their CPUs were dead on arrival. AMD and ASRock are allegedly aware of the problem; however (probably due to the aforementioned inconsistency), the sole cause of the issue causing 9800X3D's to die has yet to be determined. A summary of dead 9800X3D reports in the megathread features over 40 user reports of dead CPUs. A few non-X3D reports were sprinkled in there, suggesting the issues could extend beyond the 9800X3D. Some of the worst reports include users who went through two dead 9800X3D's to only have their non-X3D fallback CPU working well without issues. Still, some of the luckier users claim to have their replacement 9800X3Ds working fine.

One potential workaround mentioned in the thread is a BIOS flashback reversion to an older ASRock BIOS. At least one report claims to have "revived" a 9800X3D by using BIOS flashback to revert to an older BIOS. The megathread creator recommends that 9800X3D owners (with ASRock boards) revert to an older BIOS revision with this method if they experience POSTing failures after BIOS updating with their 9800X3D. The full reports include a few MSI, Gigabyte, and Asus motherboards. 40 reports is not a critically high number, considering the amount of 9800X3D processors AMD sells every month. However, the most telling issue is that 32 of the 40 reports come from users featuring an ASRock motherboard.

This problem could be an extension of the original Ryzen 7000 burning catastrophe last year that was caused by badly tuned firmware pushing certain voltages beyond safe levels. It could be a case that ASRock's firmware is doing something similar to Ryzen 7 9800X3D processors, but time will only tell if this is the case. These issues also appear to be different from the first 9800X3D burnout reports we saw late last year that were allegedly caused either by user error or a faulty AM5 socket.
Izvor: Tom's Hardware
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Citiraj:
ASRock addresses Ryzen 9000 boot issues with new BIOS for A620, B650, B850 and X870 motherboards:fiju:
Citiraj:
ASRock is addressing recent reports about issues with Ryzen 9000 CPUs on their latest motherboards. The company has now released a new BIOS which is said to address unexpected boot issues reported by users. The ASRock subreddit has a thread of reported issues with the Ryzen 7 9800X3D series. Motherboards from this company seem to be a common theme among most reports about instability problems or the inability to boot. The company has confirmed the issue and has released a new BIOS listed as 3.20 Beta, which is addressing these problems. In an official press release, ASRock Global is not explicitly mentioning the 9800X3D in their reports, but ASRock Japan confirms that this update is in response to recent issues with this particular processor, where at least 40 cases are known. ASRock Japan attributes these problems to memory compatibility issues, not the fact that the CPU is broken.
Izvor: VideoCardz

medo 28.02.2025. 10:23
Znači ugasim PBO na matičnoj ploči i temperatura 9600X proca padne sa 75 stupnjeva na 45 u full loadu :-o

Performanse multicore su pale za 25% ali se potrošnja struje procesora prepolovila.

The Exiled 28.02.2025. 10:49
Možeš ga i u BIOS-u ograničiti na npr. 65W TDP i 65°C uz uključeni Global C-States, tak da je većinu vremena šparni, a opet prilikom full loada ne prelazi 65°C i nemaš gubitak performansi.

xlr 28.02.2025. 11:03
Mozda nekome zatreba, s vremenom sam sejvao par koleginih postova na temu ogranicenja TDP-a pa nije lose ponoviti:

https://forum.pcekspert.com/showthread.php?p=3650870
https://forum.pcekspert.com/showthread.php?p=3780585

medo 28.02.2025. 18:12
AMD Ryzen "ZEN5" (9000 CPU series) Info thread
 
Korisno :)

Moja iskustva se poklapaju s napisanim. Ovom 9600X je dovoljno ugasiti boost. Dalje petljanje po cTDP, bacanje u ECO node ne čini puno jer je već s time na 65W. Ugasio sam i EXPO jer diže performanse za sitnih 2-3% ima temperaturu CPUa za ~5 stupnjeva (Kingston 6000MHz).

BeQuiet dampano kućište, BeQuiet cooler za 45€ a procesor je na 45 stupnjeva u full loadu :)

Ne mogu direktno usporediti koliko je hladniji od 8700G jer G procesor hladi Wraith ali ako je vjerovati HWInfo onda 9600X vuče 15ak watta manje.

Nije mi jasno zašto su popljuvali 9600X jer mu je omjer performansi i potrošnje struje impresivan.

Dottore 28.02.2025. 18:30
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Autor medo (Post 3791735)
Korisno :)

Moja iskustva se poklapaju s napisanim. Ovom 9600X je dovoljno ugasiti boost. Dalje petljanje po cTDP, bacanje u ECO node ne čini puno jer je već s time na 65W. Ugasio sam i EXPO jer diže performanse za sitnih 2-3% ima temperaturu CPUa za ~5 stupnjeva (Kingston 6000MHz).

BeQuiet dampano kućište, BeQuiet cooler za 45€ a procesor je na 45 stupnjeva u full loadu :)

Ne mogu direktno usporediti koliko je hladniji od 8700G jer G procesor hladi Wraith ali ako je vjerovati HWInfo onda 9600X vuče 15ak watta manje.

Nije mi jasno zašto su popljuvali 9600X jer mu je omjer performansi i potrošnje struje impresivan.
Koji cooler imaš osim naziva Bequeit? Može to još ići niže ili nemaš dovoljno propuha u caseu.
Ljudi su popljuvali u gaming benchmarku i ponekim testovima , a nisu svjestni da u produktivnostima brži. (adobe paketi, blender itd) Usporedili su sa prijašnjom generacijom.

Exy 28.02.2025. 19:09
Nekako sumnjam da je na 45C u full loadu iskreno. Možda tu neki senzor nešto krivo očitava ili nisi baš radio update softvera, ipak je riječ o vrlo friškom procu.
Bez obzira na to, ne znam zašto si ga toliko jadnog osakatio, gasiš expo zbog tri stupnja, gasiš boost zbog 10 wata, daj jadnom procu da živi kako je predviđeno :D

medo 28.02.2025. 19:27
A gle, za 15-20% manje performansi grije se 30+ stupnjeva manje :fiju: I'm all in :) Ove mlade generacije su uvjerili da su temperature od 75-95 stupnjeva normalne. Mene dinosaura neće nikada uvjeriti u to ;) Pogotovo na 3-4nm litografiji, neće to predugo trajati ako će prečesto boostati.

Čak i idlea na 10-12 stupnjeva manje bez boosta, bez EXPOa, bez "ASUS Performanse" sr*nja i sl. koja su enejblana out of the box. Očito su moderni složenci adaptirani na nabrijane gamere koji strepe nad efpeesovima i milisekundama. Nekada je bilo obrnuto.

HWInfo u Windozama i lm-sensors u Ljinuxu pokazuju jednake temperature matične ploče i procesora bilo CPU ili GPU dijela tako da mislim da je spot on. Kada je PBO enejblan onda jako brzo ode na 75-80 stupnjeva u stress testovima.

Cooler je Be Quiet Pure Rock 2, ovdje kupljen.
Ovo je case.

The Exiled 28.02.2025. 19:32
IMHO, ako se kod mene 7950X se već više od dvije godine vrti na 5.0GHz i ograničen na 75°C, a bome i 9950X ide sličnim putem već nekoliko mjeseci, ne bude se ništa desilo tvojem 9600X.

Nema razloga da si toliko rušiš performanse, jer 65°C i 75°C su sasvim normalne temperature za full-load situacije (bez PBO) kad ti treba, a ostatak vremena se CPU lagano i šparno kotrlja.

medo 28.02.2025. 19:55
Ako mi baš bude trebalo onda s dva klika u BIOSu dobijem tih 15-20% :chears:

Exy 28.02.2025. 20:11
Medo, treba te na sud zbog toga što radiš tom procu :D
Kao što kaže kolega, odaberi si neku temperaturu koja ti se sviđa, stavi da to bude max temperatura, uključi PBO, uključi EXPO i nemoj jadan proc toliko gušiti. NE Krško stenje godinama pod tvojom FX Višerom a ti si se sad sjetio na 9600X spuštat potrošnju sa 60W na 45:D

Odinarius 28.02.2025. 20:18
Ma i ja sam old school i volim hladno, ali baš toliko ga osakatiti, da ima performanse Zena 3...

Dottore 28.02.2025. 20:19
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Autor medo (Post 3791748)
A gle, za 15-20% manje performansi grije se 30+ stupnjeva manje :fiju: I'm all in :) Ove mlade generacije su uvjerili da su temperature od 75-95 stupnjeva normalne. Mene dinosaura neće nikada uvjeriti u to ;) Pogotovo na 3-4nm litografiji, neće to predugo trajati ako će prečesto boostati.

Čak i idlea na 10-12 stupnjeva manje bez boosta, bez EXPOa, bez "ASUS Performanse" sr*nja i sl. koja su enejblana out of the box. Očito su moderni složenci adaptirani na nabrijane gamere koji strepe nad efpeesovima i milisekundama. Nekada je bilo obrnuto.

HWInfo u Windozama i lm-sensors u Ljinuxu pokazuju jednake temperature matične ploče i procesora bilo CPU ili GPU dijela tako da mislim da je spot on. Kada je PBO enejblan onda jako brzo ode na 75-80 stupnjeva u stress testovima.

Cooler je Be Quiet Pure Rock 2, ovdje kupljen.
Ovo je case.
Pusti te stress testove. Najbitnije da si zadovoljan u radu nego gaziš stress testove kao 24/7. Nemaš potrebe jer taj hladnjak dobro hladi.

Ja ne palim nekim stress tesovima, više gledam kako će ponašati u browsanju i gamingu.

The Exiled 03.03.2025. 18:06
ASRock & 9800X3D Instability and Failures | Report & Summary So Far:kafa:

Disco 04.03.2025. 05:14
Dobro je to sa Asrockom na kraju ispalo, em je valjda samo do BIOSa, em se nisu ciganili kao Asus oko garancije.

Tajl3r 05.03.2025. 01:44
Ja sam na starom onda biosu kad nisam nista od ovoga skužija ni kreša ni ičega pali i radi normalno

Poslano sa mog SM-S918B koristeći Tapatalk

Taproot7 06.03.2025. 09:22
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Autor Disco (Post 3792215)
Dobro je to sa Asrockom na kraju ispalo, em je valjda samo do BIOSa, em se nisu ciganili kao Asus oko garancije.
Vjerujem da je bilo genijalaca koji su kvar prepisali AMD-u jer je bilo određene sreće i veselja diljem interneta kod određenih individua zabrinjavajuće niskog nivoa inteligencije. Ako je ASRock priznao i prihvatio grešku te se obvezao nadoknaditi štete nastale na procesoru tako da oštećenima nadomjesti trenutno najbolji i najprodavaniji desktop procesor a to je najmanje što može uraditi, onda su na dobrom putu ne samo da poprave imidž nego da izgrade novu bolju povezanost sa kupcima kako sa sadašnjima tako i sa onima koji se premišljaju. Ukoliko se još uzme u obzir kako je Asus odradio vrlo sličnu ako ne i istu stvar te kako to sad odrađuje ASRock, Asus a i ostali proizvođači matičnih ploča mogu naučiti nešto iz ovoga.

The Exiled 06.03.2025. 10:35
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AMD confirms Ryzen 9 9950X3D and 9900X3D CPUs launch March 12:kafa:
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The fact that AMD is set to launch its 16- and 12-core Ryzen CPUs with 3D V-Cache and Zen 5 architecture is no surprise to anyone. AMD promised to launch these two remaining SKUs in the first quarter, which ends this month. However, AMD has not confirmed the exact launch date yet, at least they hadn’t until now. Both processors are listed with specs (which are known) and are confirmed to be released on March 12. This basically confirms what we have already shared with you earlier. This also implies that reviews will be posted a day sooner, on March 11.
Izvor: VideoCardz

Disco 06.03.2025. 12:14
I ide na njima ona neka nova shema gdje će valjda kužit igre i automatski gasit drugi CCD bez 3D keša. ;)

maXonja 06.03.2025. 15:53
Pa ta shema sa "parkiranjem" pola coreova bez 3D cachea je već u opticaju na 7900X3D i 7950X3D :stoopid:

The Exiled 07.03.2025. 19:38
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AMD is putting all rumors to an end today by confirming that its high-end Ryzen 9 9950X3D and Ryzen 9 9900X3D CPUs will be hitting retail shelves on the 12th of March. The Ryzen 9 9950X3D is going to be priced at an MSRP of $699 while the Ryzen 9 9900X3D will be priced at $599 US. With $699 US for the Ryzen 9 9950X3D and $599 US for the Ryzen 9 9900X3D, AMD has maintained the same MSRPs for its high-end Zen 5 CPUs as the last-gen Zen 4 offerings. These should make for some very competitive products which will sit ahead of Intel's offerings in gaming, efficiency, & also give the blue team a tough time in content creator workloads.
:kafa:

Blue Spirit 09.03.2025. 15:29
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Autor Disco (Post 3792696)
I ide na njima ona neka nova shema gdje će valjda kužit igre i automatski gasit drugi CCD bez 3D keša. ;)
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Autor maXonja (Post 3792770)
Pa ta shema sa "parkiranjem" pola coreova bez 3D cachea je već u opticaju na 7900X3D i 7950X3D :stoopid:


JayzTwoCents kaže ... Da bi core parking radio (na Ryzen ima 9 sa 3D v-cache (dual CCD)) ove 4 postavke trebaju biti podešene ...

AMD Core-Parking problems FIXED once and for all!

1. Power Options - Balanced

https://i.imgur.com/U53Y3Bq.png



2. Gamebar - ON

https://i.imgur.com/tm6jG3V.png

3. amd3dvcacheSvc - bi se trebao nalaziti pod: Task Manager - Services

https://i.imgur.com/DY7eWj2.png

Ako se amd3dvcacheSvc ne prikazuje pod servisima u task manageru (npr ako je predhodno bio ugrađen non 3D CPU prilikom instalacije Windowsa) onda sa Revo Uninstaller -om temeljito pobrisat AMD Chipset drajver (detaljnije na 17min 45 sek) i ponovo ih instalirat.

https://i.imgur.com/eTtQOHx.png

4. CPPC - Driver (Podesiti u BIOS-u)

Collaborative Performance Processor Control

https://i.imgur.com/wdKtGkV.png

maXonja 09.03.2025. 15:48
Zato i kažem, meni je na 7900X3D radilo
Ali ispada da zapravo onda imam 7600X3D :D
Zato sam i napravio upgrade na 9800X3D da imam 8 jezgri sa 3D cacheom, da se ništa ne parkira

Disco 09.03.2025. 16:33
A meni se neš pobrkalo i mislio sam da je sam AMD neš najavio, ali ne, to je Colorful najavio za svoje AM5 ploče:

COLORFUL Reveals "X3D Gaming Mode" for AM5 Motherboards - Claims Boost in Game Frame Rates

I onda skužiš da taj njihov tubo mod samo gasi kompletno drugi CCD, ''odlično'' rješenje. :)

Blue Spirit 09.03.2025. 17:11
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Autor maXonja (Post 3793169)
Zato i kažem, meni je na 7900X3D radilo
Ali ispada da zapravo onda imam 7600X3D :D
Zato sam i napravio upgrade na 9800X3D da imam 8 jezgri sa 3D cacheom, da se ništa ne parkira
Upravo to; ... parking pri igranju na 7900X3D radi kao 7600X3D stavljajuci procesuiranje igre na prvi CCD sa 3D cache-om na prvih 6C 12T.

A pozadinski procesi se vrte na drugom CCD-u koji bi okvirno bio još jedan tj obican 7600X koji je na drugom CCD-u tj na drugih 6C 12T


Jedini što naš "parkani 7600 X3D" zapravo ima duplo više L1 i L2 keša od pravog 7600 X3D tj ...


7900X3D ≈"parkani 7600X3D" = L1 Cache 768 KB, L2 Cache 12 MB, L3 Cache 128 MB

7600 X3D L1 Cache 384 KB, L2 Cache 6 MB, L3 Cache 96 MB



Što nije problem dok god opterecenje prvog CCD- ja ne prelazi 70% onda je vjerojatno bolje imati iskljucen parking tj da se igra vrti na oba CCD-a tj da se na svim korovima rasporedi opterecenje.

https://i.imgur.com/VNGOyHd.png

Ista stvar (6C 3D + obicnih 6C ) bit će i sa 9900X3D

https://i.imgur.com/D6NgyLT.png

The Exiled 09.03.2025. 17:43
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AMD confirms chipset driver updates and new features for Ryzen 9 9950X3D/9900X3D:kafa:
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Perhaps the reason why AMD did not launch or even announce the Ryzen 9 9950X3D and Ryzen 9 9900X3D alongside the Ryzen 7 9800X3D last year is because it required more updates to the drivers. AMD is adding some new features and updating existing technology to enable even higher performance on this generation of X3D series. The Ryzen 9000 series with 3D V-Cache comes with three SKUs: the 16-core 9950X3D, the 12-core 9900X3D, and the 8-core 9800X3D. The 8-core version is a single-chiplet design that does not need any special optimization and core parking technologies, simply because there is only one CCD (Core Complex Die) with 3D V-Cache. On the other hand, the 12-core and 16-core variants have two chiplets, but only one has 3D V-Cache.

As a result, AMD has to implement some extra software to manage work distribution in order to achieve higher performance in specific tasks. The first change for Provisioning Packages Services is that the service will automatically check on each system boot if the processor has been changed. This will simplify testing for reviewers, and upgrades for end users will no longer require reinstalling Windows, claims AMD. The 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer was updated to properly work in Windows 10 with VBS enabled. What’s new is the Application Compatibility Database, a whitelist of games that focuses on titles not covered by the former two technologies. This tool will detect if any of the following games are being used and then “reduce the thread pool size”.
Izvor: VideoCardz

Eladio 09.03.2025. 17:45
Sve sam to kao j2c podesio, da bi na kraju shvatio da je process lasso free rjesenje koje umjesto svega toga podesis u 5 min i amen :D

Uglavnom vise se s time ne zamaram, pc radi ko svicarac sat :o

Exy 09.03.2025. 18:53
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Autor Blue Spirit (Post 3793178)
Jedini što naš "parkani 7600 X3D" zapravo ima duplo više L1 i L2 keša od pravog 7600 X3D tj ...

7900X3D ≈"parkani 7600X3D" = L1 Cache 768 KB, L2 Cache 12 MB, L3 Cache 128 MB

7600 X3D L1 Cache 384 KB, L2 Cache 6 MB, L3 Cache 96 MB
Što nisu L1 i L2 cache per core? L1 64kb, L2 1MB, to bi onda značilo da ima isto L1 i L2 cachea ako su zbilja drugih 6 jezgri parkirane, jedino je L3 shared.

Blue Spirit 09.03.2025. 20:59
Yes u pravu si, zaboravio na to, mea culpa. :)


Koristim process lasso jogurt verziju, a kolko citam/pratim i MS ce unaprijedit Task Manager sa naprednijim mogucnostima ... al sumnjam da ce bit tolko napredan.

Imao sam slucajeva da mi konkretno COD2 nije htjelo pokrenut na 5900x i onda kad sam sa process lassom podesio da se COD2 vrti samo na nekim jezgrama radio je neko vrijeme a sad ga opet nece ni pokrenut; al to je vec do winblowsa kako je raspoložen.

Windows 11 Task Manager update will show accurate CPU utilization, align with industry standards

Windows 11 Canary build 27808 is out with better CPU monitoring in Task Manager and more

https://cdn.neowin.com/news/images/u...monitoring.jpg


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