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E pa stvar je u tome što i je i nije. To je ono što govorim. Zavisno što je pod opterećenjem. CPU+GPU / samo CPU / samo GPU.
Temperatura CPU nije ništa manja ako se ciljano testira samo CPU, tj ako je samo CPU pod opterećenjem.

Radijator side mounted neće grijati GPU, jer GPU dobiva svjež zrak iz vana od donja 3 ventilatora. Ali će GPU grijati radijator (tj. CPU) ako je top mounted jer je jedini put topline kroz radijator na vrhu. Topal zrak od radijatora sa strane tehnički ne ide preko grafičke i ne utječe gotovo uopće na njezinu temepraturu, praktički ide direktno u smjeru gore a ne lijevo na grafu kao što svi misle. Razmeš? :)

Nisam baš razumio pitanje jer si napisao pump/crijeva. Pumpa je tu najvažniji faktor, zbog pumpe je bitna orijentacija. Pitaš ako bi pumpa trebala biti na najvišoj točki ili?
Za cijevi najvažnije čega se treba držati da vrh radijatora nije ispod razine pumpe. Pa čak niti da je na istoj razini nije baš poželjno. Pumpa ne smije biti najviša točka u odnosu AIO hladnjaka u cjelini općenito.

Pozdrav,

imam novi kompjuter:

CPU AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D
MBO Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite WiFi7
RAM G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB AMD Expo, 64 GB (2x32), DDR5 6000 MHz, CL30
SSD Samsung 9100 Pro, 2 TB, M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen5, R14700/W13300

GFX Gigabyte AMD Radeon RX9070XT Aorus Elite OC, 16 GB GDDR6
PSU Be QUIET! Dark Power 13, 1000W, 80+ Titanium, modular, ATX
COOLER BE QUIET! Silent Loop 3 420 mm
SOUND Creative SoundBlasterX AE-5 Plus, 5.1, PCIe
CASE BE QUIET! Shadow Base 800 FX, E-ATX, RGB, glass, black (ukupno 5 Light Wings 1500 RPM fanova)

Malo sam se igrao s postavkama u BIOS-u (PBO):

PPT 280000
EDC 180000
TDC 180000
Core voltage offset negative 15

Cinebench mi je dao nakon toga (bez izmjena je islo do 84-85 c multicoreu i rezultat oko 43500-43600):

Multi core - 43132 - peaking 75 c 1 min
Single core - 2274 - peaking 57 c 1 min

Multi core - 43013 - peaking 76 c 10 min
Single core - 2287 - peaking 56 c 10 min

Multi core - 43168 - peaking 77 c 30 minutes
Single core - 2279 - peaking 57 c 30 minutes

S -20 offsetom je davalo bolji rezultat (identican onome bez izmjena), ali nakon duzeg opterecenja bi se smrznuo sustav, pa sam smanjio na -15 i radio sve ove testove iznad - bez rusenja.

GPU sam izmjenio voltazu na -80 u Adrenalinu te boostao memory clock na cca 2700 MHz. To mi je dalo:

- 7689 u Steel Nomad testu i 28518 (32398 graphics, 16990 CPU) u TimeSpy testu. Furmark isto dao dobre rezultate s hotspotom do 85 c (prije undervoltanja je islo preko 90 c).

Sto se tice fan curvea:

- Ventilatori kucista i coolera - 40% na 40 c, 50% na 60 c, 70% na 70 c, 85% na 80 c i 100% na 85 c. Hysteresis 5 c i response 1 s.

- Pumpa 80% od 40 do 60 c, a od 60 c 100%.
- GPU - 20% na 30 c, 36% na 50 c, 52% na 56 c, 68% na 63 c i 100% na 70 c.

Zero fan je iskljucen na GPU jer mi se temperatura SSD-a dizala preko 50 ako ne rade fanovi.

Sve navedeno daje mi otprilike ove temperature na idle (uz ambijentalnu od cca 25 c):

CPU (Tctl/Tdie) 48 c
CCD1 33c
CCD2 33c
Sve jezgre 28-30 c
L3 Cache (CCD 1 i 2) oko 30 c
CPU IOD Hotspot 48 c
CPU IOD Average 41 c
CPU VDDCR_VDD VRM 48 c
CPU VDDCR_SOC VRM 47 c
CPU VDD_MISC VRM 50 c
Chipset 1 47 c
Chipset 2 51 c
System1 32 c
PCH 50 c
PCIEX16 40 c
VRM MOS 46 c
DDR 5 DIMM 1 SPD Hub temperature 39 c
DDR 5 DIMM 2 SPD Hub temperature 38 c
SSD Drive temperature 42 c
SSD Drive temperature 2 44 c
SSD Drive temperature 3 42 c
GPU Temperature 32 c
GPU Memory junction temperature 56 c
GPU VR VDDC temperature 37 c
GPU hotspot temperature 34 c
GPU VR SoC temperature 39 c
GPU Hot spot temperature (max) 34 c
GPU (internal) Temperature 42 c

Zanima me najvise treba li me brinuti idle od CPU-a? Negdje pise da je to sasvim normalno, negdje da je mrvicu poviseno...

Fanovi su tihi po ovim postavkama i ne bi povecavao RPM-ove jer s tim dobijem mozda 1 c razlike, a to je nista.

Naravno, dobrodosli su i drugi savjeti. Hvala! :)

Radi usporedbe jer imamo isti defaultni tdp...meni je na 7900x pbo na -25 i tdp lockan na 135w, dobijem 6% veci score nego na defaultu, tako da si probaj skinuti tdp i vidi sto ce biti

U idlu je 39-41 stupanj, stoga da ja imam arctic liquid freezer III pro 360, ventove sam lockao na 20%, a pumpu na 40%, max u loadu mi stupanj vise nego kad su ventovi i pumpa na full-u, tj 77 stupnjeva

Isto kod grafe, stavio sam ventove na 35%, hotspot mi je sa 86 skocio na 90, ali me ne ubija buka vise. Radi se o 7900xt, undervoltana -70, core 3200mhz, memorija 2750mhz, timmings na fast...score +9%

Btw jesi stavio zadnji bios i zadnje chipset drivere s amd stranice? Mozda ti se smrzava na -20 jer imas neku stariju nestabilniju verziju

Citiraj:

AMD Ryzen AI Max+ PRO 395 Linux Benchmarks: Outright Incredible Performance + Radeon 8060S Linux Graphics Performance:kafa:

Citiraj:

The AMD Ryzen AI Max+ PRO 395 can work out fine on modern Linux distributions: as long as you're on a modern distribution like say Fedora Workstation 42 or Ubuntu 25.04 you should find the support in good standing. As long as you are on a somewhat recent Linux kernel version you should be in good shape for the compatibility/support while for the Strix Halo graphics obviously the newer the kernel and the newer the Mesa release will mean a better graphics experience. HP has kindly sent over their ZBook Ultra 14-inch G1a mobile workstation: it's a beast being powered by the top-end AMD Ryzen AI Max+ PRO 395 SoC with 16 cores / 32 threads and powerful integrated Radeon 8060S graphics, 128GB of system memory, a nice 14-inch 2.8K display, and other top-end features to provide a dominating laptop powerhouse.

Simply put, the AMD Ryzen AI Max+ PRO 395 delivers incredible performance potential that need it on the go. For those running heavy workloads from your laptop for portability, convenience, travel, or similar purposes, the AMD Ryzen AI Max+ PRO 395 opens a whole new realm of performance while still delivering good power efficiency. On average the AMD Ryzen AI Max+ PRO 395 was 1.42x the performance of the AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 "Strix Point". Or a whopping 1.88x the performance of Intel Lunar Lake. But that's just the geo mean. If really diving into AI, code compilation, scientific computing, and other creator workloads and more the AMD Ryzen AI Max+ PRO 395 was commonly at 2x the performance or more of the high-end Strix Point SoCs.

Izvor: Phoronix

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Citiraj:

AVX-512 performance + power efficiency shines with AMD Strix Halo

Citiraj:

When taking the geometric mean of more than 100 AVX-512 capable software packages/applications, having AVX-512 enabled as is the default meant 1.46x the performance compared to force-disabling AVX-512 on Strix Halo. AVX-512 provides very meaningful performance gains on AMD Zen 5 (and Zen 4) from AI workloads to scientific computing, video coding, JSON parsing, and other software able to leverage Advanced Vector Extensions 512. Meanwhile Intel's latest laptop and desktop processors do not support AVX-512. Very important for AMD Strix Halo laptops is that AVX-512 doesn't lead to any increase in power use. In fact, when looking at the CPU power consumption over the entire span of 100+ benchmarks carried out, AVX-512 disabled on the Ryzen AI MAX+ PRO 395 led to a 53 Watt average and with the default AVX-512 enabled state was a 51 Watt average for the SoC.

ROCm GPU compute performance with AMD Ryzen AI MAX+ "Strix Halo"

Citiraj:

Across 50+ benchmarks when taking the geometric mean for the workloads tested on all three laptops, the Ryzen AI MAX+ PRO 395 within the HP ZBook Ultra G1a was at 2.41x the performance of the popular Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 "Strix Point" SoC found within the Framework Laptop 13. 2.41x! Over the Intel Xe2 graphics within Lunar Lake was also 2.3x the performance, which would have been even worse off if not for last week's Compute Runtime release enhancing Lunar Lake with ULLS and other optimizations. Across the range of GPU compute benchmarks carried out, the Ryzen AI MAX+ PRO 395 had a 43 Watt average and a peak of 77 Watts. The Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 had a 23 Watt average and a 50 Watt peak while the Core Ultra 7 256V had a 15 Watt average and a 28 Watt peak. So going from Strix Point to Strix Halo with these ROCm GPU compute workloads had 1.87x the SoC power use but delivering around 2.4x the performance for a nice efficiency win.

ASRock failures face-to-face: Motherboards, BIOS, & burned 9800X3D CPUs:kafa:

Citiraj:

“No, we’re not saying it’s an AMD issue. We found that it should be related to our BIOS setting — that’s the PBO settings, Precision Boost Overdrive. More technically, we adjusted two main settings in PBO. One is TDC (Thermal Design Current) and the other is EDC (Electrical Design Current). We found that our original values for these two settings might have been too high. So now, with BIOS version 3.25, we lowered the PBO values. We believe this can solve the problem.” There’s another concerning issue. Some users on Reddit have reported that their processors died even after updating to BIOS version 3.25. Steve also noted cases where users experienced CPU failures despite not enabling PBO at all. Nevertheless, ASRock continues to assert that PBO settings are the root cause.

Ovo su rekli i TechYesu, ali imam neki filing da ni sami ne znaju jer ako sam dobro shvatio, ovo je već treća stvar koju su promijenili vezano uz ubijanje zen5.

Citiraj:

Framework desktop with AMD Ryzen AI Max offers excellent, Linux-friendly performance + AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 vs. Ryzen 9 9950X vs. Ryzen 9 9950X3D:chears:

Citiraj:

When taking the geometric mean of all the raw 200+ performance benchmarks, the Ryzen AI Max+ 395 on Ubuntu 25.04 Linux was running at 95% the speed of the Ryzen 9 9950X and at 89% of the Ryzen 9 9950X3D with 3D V-Cache. The Ryzen AI Max+ 395 was consuming 91 Watts on average during the 200+ benchmarks with a peak of 119 Watts. The Ryzen 9 9950X had a 154 Watt average and 205 Watt peak while the Ryzen 9 9950X3D had a 171 Watt average and 212 Watt peak. The AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 being able to deliver 95% the performance of the Ryzen 9 9950X overall for CPU-based workloads while consuming just 59% the power on average is quite impressive with the Ryzen 9000 series already being in good shape for power efficiency relative to other desktop processors. The Ryzen AI Max+ 395 at 89% the performance of the Ryzen 9 9950X3D came in at 53% the CPU power consumption on average.

Izvor: Phoronix

Ryzen AI Max+ 395, bome graf.performanse su u rangu solidne grafe.
Pun pogodak amd. Nadam se da ce taj proc imat vecu lepezu izbora laptopa a ne samo asus rog flow 13.

Citiraj:

Autor zvonac (Post 3816188)

Ryzen AI Max+ 395, bome graf.performanse su u rangu solidne grafe.
Pun pogodak amd. Nadam se da ce taj proc imat vecu lepezu izbora laptopa a ne samo asus rog flow 13.

Treba samo računati na super cijenu, AI 370 uređaji su većinom 1200€+, ne bi me čudilo da ovo bude 1500+.:chears::beer:

Dal se 9950x na 105w tpd ponaša jednako efikasno kao 7950x?

Da, 9950X se ponaša podjednako efikasno.:)

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Citiraj:

Autor Problem (Post 3816437)

Znači, curve optimiser -15 all core i ECO 105W i prst u uho?

Nisam odmah skužil ovaj dio posta, ali da, s tim da Curve Optimiser možeš podesiti i općenito koristiti kak god ti najbolje odgovara.

To je ok. Javim se sa novom konfom kada stigne :D

Znači, curve optimiser -15 all core i ECO 105W i prst u uho?

Evo,

stigla nova kanta:

Ryzen 9950x + NH-D15
MSI MAG x870 Tomahawk
256GB RAM
RTX5080

u biosu mi je ECO mode disejblan i jedino što sam napravio je curve optimiser, all core -15

U CB23 dobivam 41613 all core, s max temp od 85°C nakon 10min. Je to ok?,

Ne ganjam score, bitna mi je stabilnost i temp...

p.s. za sve koji se češkaju po glavi i misle si čemu tolko rama - 3D lasersko skeniranje i fotogrametrija ;)

Vredu je to, glavno da ti sve radi kak spada.

Onda više ne prčkam :D

Dopuna, ipak sam prčkao :D

Nasao sam tdp limit i kada stavim na 120w, co -15, temp je ugodnih 75 max, ali i performanse u real world testiranju cca 10% slabije. Zavrsio sam na tome da je tdp po difoltu, co -20 i temp sam ogranicio na 80. Rezultati prakticki isti kao kada je sve po difoltu, a hladniji.

Kada je bio samo co -15 all core, u c23 nije isla temp preko 85, al je isla do 95 u fotogrametriji.

Sad vise ne diram za ozbiljno :)

Pozdrav. Slažem konfu pa trebam mišljenje.. Prioritet je stavljen na stabilnost i temperature tj potrošnja sistema. Traži se "rock solid" konfa.

U pitanju je 9700X i Asus Rog Strix B850-F Gaming+G.Skill Trident (32gb) 6000 CL30.
Pretpostavljam da je ta kombinacija ok? Jel postoje kakve mušice i sl s tom pločom, memorijom i procom u pogledu trzanja, nestabilnosti i sl?

OK su te komponente, a stabilnost ionak dodatno ovisi o postavkama koje namjeravaš koristiti, odnosno da baš ne ostaviš sve na auto i default u BIOS-u.:)