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stitrek 03.06.2022. 22:37
Da, Intel od 2018. spava, nesto su se malo trgli sa 12.generacijom ali treba vidjeti sta ce biti sa 13. i hoce li doci do nekih chiplet rijesenja i revolucije.
Sto se tice Arc-a, a bit ce nesto valjda 2024-2025.

MadBoY 03.06.2022. 22:58
Više od 4 mjeseca nakon "predstavljanja", napokon će biti moguće kupiti laptop s Arc grafičkom (izvan kine): https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp...h000-534c9av-1
Imaju još do kraja mjeseca da "predstave" Arc 5 i Arc 7 modele.

The Exiled 07.06.2022. 21:59
Mada moram priznati da zapravo uopće nije loše, jer ovo je na kraju dana ipak konkretni proizvod, što pak 'rvaCka verzija Elona Muska iz Svete Nedelje, ne može reći za svoje umotvorine.

Tak da, sve u svemu, Intel možda malo zakasni sa svojim ARC GPU modelima, ali OK - žuri se polako, jer kak god se okrene, prije će to izađi na tržište, nego zagrebački robotaksiji.:chears:

The Exiled 16.06.2022. 19:46
Š.O.K._i_V.J.E.V.E.R.I.C.A.:):D
Citiraj:
Intel ARC desktop GPUs may be slower than previously expected, a new performance prediction for the whole series suggests:kafa:
Citiraj:
Intel has finally officially released the very first "Alchemist" desktop graphics card for OEMs and the retail segment - currently exclusively in China: The "Arc A380" is based on the smaller ACM-G11 (SOC2) graphics chip and works with only 1024 FP32 Units on a 96-bit memory interface in competition with the low-end products from AMD and nVidia. Their problem points are more in performance and game compatibility: tests reported starting difficulties with individual games and generally bad frame times (strongly fluctuating minimum frame rates). But the pure performance of the Intel graphics card is also somewhat questionable: Intel showed a comparatively meaningless benchmark slide , plus there was the promise of "up to 25% better performance per yuan". In media reports, this was often understood as "25% more performance", although both the "up to" and the price reference of this specification were ignored.

According to an updated projection, the largest Intel solution Arc A780 should now have to struggle to follow a GeForce RTX 3060 Ti at all to be able to - and the rest of the portfolio had to be downgraded accordingly. This then comes as a further braking point compared to a larger-scale launch of the "Alchemist" desktop graphics cards: The original performance target is probably not fully met, which also limits the applicable sales price. The other braking point is that a graphics card launch in the summer of 2022 will automatically be compared with the autumn launch of the next graphics card generation from AMD & nVidia - and seen from this perspective, it actually doesn't stand a chance. In this situation, hardly any graphics card manufacturer would want to get involved, because the chance of sitting around with unsaleable products in a few weeks is simply too great. Intel is more likely to dump the already existing ACM-G10 graphics chips for the Arc A500 & A700 series in the OEM segment and then no longer produce any new ones. The ACM-G11 graphics chip for the Arc A300 series alone has the chance to be continued for a certain time in the low-end segment and for mobile needs.

The experiences made here will hopefully serve to eliminate the existing problems with game compatibility and frame times, so that this can at least be the case with the subsequent Intel graphics generation "Battlemage". no longer has to be an issue.
Izvor: 3DCenter.org

Dr. Strange 16.06.2022. 22:38
Dok Intel napravi gpu, odoše AMD i Nvidia na rdna5 i rtx 6000.

stitrek 16.06.2022. 22:38
Znaci Desktop Arc 1.0 je obustavljen, valjda ce Desktop Arc 2.0 u 2023-24. bit cjenovno konkurentan i dostupan.

The Exiled 17.06.2022. 09:46
Intel je u nezahvalnoj poziciji da izdaju bilo što od najavljenog - dobro bude, jer ovak samo unedogled odgađaju i najavljuju nasljednike, jer konkretnih proizvoda nema, a ako ikad stignu, zakasnili budu nekoliko generacija.:kafa:

Disco 17.06.2022. 10:21
Pa meni nije jasna više ta njihova bruka sa svim najavama i odgodama...posustali u desktopu premda se čini da su tu ipak na dobrom putu, ali dugom. Pa onda ova sramota sa GPUima, pokupovali tj zaposlili omanju hrpicu Ati ekipe i ništa, ćorak po svemu... Ako uzmemo Raju u AMD-u, tamo je frajer isto obećavao brda i doline, što se ispostavilo da je neistina, ali su bar izašle te grafe tj nešto što liči na ono što je on obećavao. Ovdje nije u stanju niti to...
Čak bih rekao da je Radeon odjel procvjetao otkad njega nema (ne, ne zanemarujem činjenicu da su se novčano uzdigli i vj uložili u R&D u odnosu na Rajino doba).

Ovo im nije trebalo i ja se stvarno toplo nadam da će Arc na kraju biti barem konkurentan srednjoj klasi zelenih i crvenih da malo poljuljaju taj duopol.

Mislim da bi im najbolje bilo da se riješe Raje.

The Exiled 17.06.2022. 10:32
Evo i friška odgoda na već tri puta odgođen Sapphire Rapids. Po pitanju odgoda, fora je u tome da oni samo pričaju i da su tek nakon druge Zen generacije konkretno krenuli s nečim novim.

I nakon svih mogućih Jim Keller čuda tehnike, ovo-ono, najbolji smo, imamo 100.000 inženjera, AMD koristi ljepilo bedastoća - Intel i dalje s novim CEO-om samo priča.

ARC GPU ponuda je trebala biti na tržištu prije kakvih godinu i pol dana, da bi imala ikakvog smisla i utjecaja na Radeon i GeForce konkurenciju.
Citiraj:
"Intel’s Sapphire Rapids shipment delay to 2Q23 is detrimental to Intel and its server supply chain."
Sapphire Rapids je orginalno zamišljen kao odgovor na EPYC Milan i Milan-X modele, ali od svih Intelovih obećanja dan-danas nemaju ništa konkretno.

Kaj se Raje tiče, mislil sam da bude frajer dobil otkaz još kad je Bob Swan otišel, ali eto - ovaj i dalje putem Twittera najavljuje nešto.:fiju:
Citiraj:
According to Intel, Arc GPUs must use Resizable BAR for optimal performance
Citiraj:
Interestingly, the guide lists a Resizable BAR as a requirement. It is explained as a necessary feature for ‘optimal performance in all applications’, but it is not described how Arc GPUs perform without Re-BAR or if they work at all. While Re-BAR is undoubtedly a technology that should be supported by desktop PC in 2022, there is still a large base of users that do not have this feature enabled on their motherboards. Hopefully, reviewers will pay attention to this topic once they get their hands on Arc A380. This is thus far the only desktop graphics card that has now been released in China exclusively.
:):D

Manuel Calavera 21.06.2022. 10:17
Otkud to da Raja nije ispunio obećano? :stoopid:

Lik je teška prevara. Sad je imao i novaca i ineženjera a bome i vremena

The Exiled 21.06.2022. 10:24
E, pa to smo pričali, sad ima neograničene resurse i opet nije dovoljno, ma komedija. Kak kod se okrene i koja god firma bila u pitanju, Raja jednostavno sere kvake i u tome je najbolji.

Ovo da u AMD-u nije ispunil obećano se odnosi na Twitter i PR hype koji je u ono vrijeme plasiral vezano za Vega i Polaris kartice kao da će pomesti nVidiju s lica Zemlje.

I sad u Intelu ista priča već godinama, puni Interneti kojekakvih najava i sličica, a konkretnih proizvoda ni u tragovima, a i kad stignu, prošla baka s kolačima.

Lewis 21.06.2022. 10:32
Raja kad dobije pedalu i iz Intela ostaje mu samo jos Apple kao slijedeci poslodavac kojem moze obecat brda i doline ;).

The Exiled 21.06.2022. 10:36
I to je lako moguće, a biseri u Intelu su ga s dolaskom novog CEO-a, još i promovirali, tak da je sad društvo potpuno.

CEO koji priča bedastoće i Raja koji ih plasira u eter, dok promovira nešto samo što nije.:):D

Manuel Calavera 21.06.2022. 10:37
Nebi se začudio da dobije i taj posao...

Očito se zna prodat, a i apple stalno nešto kemija, svoj API, posebna idanja gpu za njih, sad svoje procesore, nebi se začudio i da im in house gpu padne na pamet, a Raja bude majstor

The Exiled 21.06.2022. 10:43
Nek mu je sa srećom, jer očito da ne može složiti konkretan proizvod bez da napriča hrpu gluposti, ali kak veliš, u AMD-u je za Rajino vrijeme bar nešto došlo na tržište, a sad u Intelu nema ničega.

Manuel Calavera 21.06.2022. 10:57
Nije Vega bila loš proizvod, samo overhypan

Sa fajntjunanjem nije bila ništa manje efikasna od nvidija, a potrošnje od ispod 300w su danas mainstream :D

Čak naprotiv, kad pogledaš sva tržišta (od profesionalne upotrebe, pa sve do igpu) arhitektura je bila hit koju je AMD muzao (i muze) godinama

The Exiled 21.06.2022. 11:00
Je, zato velim, tip non-stop radi takve pizdarije, obeća nešto, pompozno najavi, a onda je lagano hladan tuš, samo za razliku od Vege, sad u Intelu nema ni to.:):D

Disco 21.06.2022. 13:33
Ajme ne, nadam se da Tim Cook ima dovoljno mozga da ne zaposli Raju.
Pa i koliko znam, jabuka ionako oduvijek dere konkurenciju sa svojim GPUima na iOS uređajima.

The Exiled 21.06.2022. 13:48
Raja stručnjak je iz Applea došel u AMD, tak da stvarno ne bi bilo ništa čudno da ga opet prigrle.:):D

Koliko imamo prilike vidjeti, koristi od njega ko od Severine na ispovijedi.:chears:

Disco 21.06.2022. 13:58
Posipam se pepelom, to nisam znao.

The Exiled 21.06.2022. 14:08
Nemaš straha, nije ni u Appleu ništa pametno napravil, ali je fala Bogu pobral zasluge. Možda sam previše skeptičan, jer ovakve (Raja i društvo) prodavače magle gledam i slušam svaki dan kaj kod klijenata, kaj interno u firmi, ali kad netko tko je tehnički potkovan, tj. takav se barem trudi prikazati, počinje pričati hrpu bedastoća za koje jako dobro zna da nemaju nikakvo uporište ni pokriće - tu priča staje, hvala i doviđenja. Godine prolaze, a Raja i dalje nešto najavljuje, dok konkurencija sprema nove generacije proizvoda, a ovi nemaju ni svoju prvu, koja je odavno trebala biti na tržištu da postigne željeni efekt. I onda još za dobru mjeru konstantno odgađaju nove CPU serije i tak unedogled, ali glavno da se priča o nasljednicima.
Joj, cirkus samo takav.
Intel Arc A380 desktop GPU reviews should go live tomorrow
Eto, sutra napokon stiže ARC konkurencija u rangu RX 6500.:chears:

Disco 21.06.2022. 14:14
Larabee i Netburst kažeš? :D

A nije ne, AL je ipak dobar.

The Exiled 21.06.2022. 14:16
Alder Lake je vredu, samo kaj i tu opet posežu za što većim taktom i što višom potrošnjom, da mogu reći da su najboljiJi. I OK, ajde za desktop, ali 100W+ za mobilne modele nema smisla.
EDIT:
:kafa::fiju:

The Exiled 30.06.2022. 08:10
Rajin tajming kao i uvijek dosad - besprijekoran, jao s čim se ovi bave.:):D
Citiraj:
Intel AXG Blockscale ASIC begins shipping as Crypto continues to crumble:kafa:
Citiraj:
Although crypto has crumbled as of late, and the timing may not be ideal, Intel’s Raja Koduri just tweeted that the Intel AXG Custom Compute team's Blockscale ASIC has begun shipping. The Intel Blockscale ASIC is a dedicated Secure Hash Algorithm-256 (SHA-256) processor that is capable of up to a 580 GH/s hash rate at up to 26 J/TH power efficiency. It features support for up to 256 integrated circuits per chain, and features both on-chip temperature and voltage sensing. Intel claims this chip will offer over approximately 1,000x better performance per watt than mainstream GPUs for SHA-256 based mining. Intel has also said it can supply its new Blockscale ASICs in volume without affecting the supply of new CPUs or GPUs.
Izvor: HotHardware
https://i.postimg.cc/fW7j0tmV/Intel.png

the_ghost 04.07.2022. 19:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdFnY74dVNE

The Exiled 06.07.2022. 12:55
Sad je službeno, ali onak, baš skroz službeno ...
Citiraj:
Ryan Shrout (Graphics Community Engagement at Intel) shows off Intel first Arc desktop GPU. Ryan Shrout posted a video presenting not one, but two GUNNIR A380 Photon cards, seemingly the first custom Arc cards officially at Intel labs. The Photon is a custom model based on Arc A380 GPU with full ACM-G11 GPU with 8 Xe-Cores. As explained, this is a mainstream gaming GPU which is targeted for 1080p gaming at medium settings. Photon’s short demo featured PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds game at 2560×1080 resolution. The independent testing has shown that Arc A380 is an entry-level GPU offering slightly lower performance than NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 1650 or AMD Radeon RX 6400 GPUs.
Ne znaš tko je gori PR, marketing, hype meštar - Raja ili Ryan koji sad ima i novu poziciju.
Citiraj:
Director Graphics Community Engagement and Senior Tech Evangelist at Intel
:chears::goood:

Disco 13.07.2022. 16:21
Ajmo Raja!!! :care::care:

The Exiled 13.07.2022. 18:45
Nije loše, u rangu pet godina starih GeForce i Radeon modela i to, ako je uključen ReBAR.:):D
https://i.postimg.cc/TpmXxbWh/ARC-DGPU-LAN-3.jpg
Citiraj:
EDIT: Recenzija koja to nije, a Ryan Shrout u pozadini pomno prati svaku riječ, tak da PR bude potpun.

Ne znam kaj su mislili, ako odu kod Heavy Metal Stevea, to im automatski daje kredibilitet, posebice Ryanu?

Majke mi ovo je žešće prodavanje magle čak i od kriptovaluta.
:wtf2:

Disco 15.07.2022. 08:41
Da, ovo je baš bilo bzvz. Malo me GN razočarao.

The Exiled 15.07.2022. 13:31
Koliko god da je Tom Petersen vredu i za razliku od Ryana ima kaj pametno za reći, na kraju dana ovo je bila još jedna u nizu marketinških kampanja za proizvod koji i kad napokon stigne na tržište - kasni dvije godine i dvije generacije za konkurencijom. Tom i Ryan su stari pajdaši, a Intel i dalje uporno angažira zaposlenike konkurencije, jer eto - to odmah znači da imaju nešto konkretno. Ne znam kaj je ovo trebalo Heavy Metal Stevenu.:kafa:
Citiraj:
Intel confirms nVidia tech marketing guru, Tom Petersen, has joined its GPU supergroup. Tom Petersen has been a stalwart of nVidia, joining the company in 2005 as Director of Technical Marketing.

Intel had successfully recruited Tom to be an Intel Fellow working with the Game Experience Team. Ryan Shrout Director Graphics Community Engagement and Senior Tech Evangelist at Intel.
Dakle, dva tipa iz marketinga s tom razlikom da je Tom doveden, jer je stvarno inženjer, pa da cijela stvar ne bude prezentirana kao čista reklama kakve inače Linus Sebastian pušta u eter.

Citiraj:
EDIT:
Citiraj:
Performance results shown here are from a small subset of the games, that work very well with Intel® Arc™ and the Alchemist architecture.

I’m not asserting that ALL GAMES will show these results, but it’s a view of what Intel Arc A-series cards are capable of with the right software and engineering enablement.

— Ryan Shrout, Intel
Citiraj:
Intel’s upcoming desktop GPU based on ACM-G10 processor is to offer up to 17% better performance than GeForce RTX 3060 at 2560×1440 resolution in five games.
PoCjetimo se kak je to bilo prije nekoliko godina kad je Škot (1 - 2) prozval Ryana da koristeći PC Perspective i Shrout Research plasira propagandu pod okriljem tzv. recenzija.:chears:
Citiraj:
Intel employees Tom Petersen and Ryan Shrout are on a tour visiting popular YouTubers, where new desktop Arc Alchemist graphics cards are shown for the first time. The company has just revealed their Arc A750 Limited Edition GPU with Gamers Nexus and now the time has come to show the flagship model known as A770. During LinusTechTips WAN Show, we got to see the full card labeled as “Limited Edition” up close. The Limited Edition means that the card has a custom cooling solution equipped with subtle RGB lighting.
Eto, sad je i službeno da su na PR ekskurziji.:):D


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