Microsoft surface

ogy_dogy · 19.06.2012., 09:22

Konačno, prema mom mišljenju jedina kuća koja može konkurirati odgriženoj jabuci je predstavila svoj tablet, upoznajte Microsoft Surface

Teaser:

C/P Phone Arena:

"If you haven't noticed the news exploding through your news feed just now, Microsoft has made the formal announcement of the new Microsoft Surface tablet, and accessories. That's right, Microsoft decided to give a nice little callback to its tabletop touch-computers which used to hold the Surface name. Chances are that the only place you ever saw those were on TV news, but Microsoft is hoping the new Surface tablets see a bit more market penetration.

The announcement just wrapped up, and the first impression is one that most people will likely make: Microsoft definitely took some cues from Apple for this presentation. From the adjectives to the design talk to the reveals and all, it was very reminiscent of an Apple announcement, but of course that's really nothing new. That's just the way these announcements are made these days, as we saw with the Samsung Galaxy Nexus announcement, and the Samsung Galaxy S III announcement. Of course, presenting a product like Apple would doesn't mean that this product follows an Apple template, because it doesn't.

Where Apple would spend its time talking about how beautiful the device is, Microsoft mentioned the appearance and build quality, but always brought the conversation back to functionality, which is a very Googley thing to do. Real functionality, not gimmicks like voice control, but useful features that will help you use the tablet better. Of course, in doing so, Microsoft made some pretty subtle jabs at not only Apple, but all hardware manufacturers, including Microsoft's own partners, during the course of the presentation, and that may come back to cause trouble.

The Surface

One of the first jabs was in the fact that the Microsoft Surface isn't just another rectangular tablet to go alongside the dozens of offerings on the market (even though it actually is). The sides of the tablet are beveled at an angle of 22 degrees, so the tablet should feel more comfortable in your hand. This, no doubt, is an idea that Microsoft probably pulled from the Xbox team, because anyone who has ever played video games knows that angled handles are far more comfortable. Of course, the actual shape of the tablet is rectangular. We were really hoping the short edges would be set at an angle, which would give the bezel an asymmetric look, but would really improve how the tablet feels in your hand.

The dimensions of the Surface are a bit big with a 10.6" display, so we're curious to see how it will actually feel in our hands, even with the angled edges. The Windows RT variant (ARM) will be 1.5 pounds (680g) and 9.3mm thick, while the Intel variant is "less than 2 pounds and less than 14mm thick. The RT version not huge, it's about the size of the new iPad, but the Intel version is a beast. 2 pounds doesn't sound that bad, especially given that many tablets run around 1.5 pounds, but that extra weight can really take its toll over the long haul, even if it is running "full desktop Windows". Still, the build quality looks great with the Gorilla Glass, magnesium case, and PVD finish (which makes the metal look something like brass). Of course, the thickness is partially because of main feature #2: the kickstand.

The kickstand is something we've seen more often on smartphones for some reason, though there have been a couple tablets to have one. But, the kickstand on the Surface is a real kickstand, and sturdy. Where most tablets or smartphone kickstands are small, the Surface kickstand runs the length of the tablet, that seems like a much better idea. Microsoft even mentioned how hard the team worked on making the sound of the kickstand closing something "visceral" and something that causes an "emotional connection", which is a very Apple-like detail to drop in. Unfortunately, it's also standard. If you're someone who doesn't have much use for a kickstand, you're out of luck. However, Microsoft made it standard because it is needed for feature #3 that Microsoft wants to push: the Touch Cover.

The Touch Cover is probably the feature that will get the most buzz, because it's almost amazing that we haven't seen a major company do this yet. It's a cover for the tablet, which uses magnets (of course) to connect and is basically another multitouch surface complete with trackpad and keyboard. The keyboard will be touch sensitive, but does have slightly raised keys, so it should feel better than on-screen typing, but maybe not as good as a standard keyboard. Of course, there is also a full keyboard option in the Type Cover, although, that may be only for the Intel variant, not the ARM version. That wasn't very clear. Again, there was a very strange moment where it felt like it was meant to be an Apple moment of pure love for the product when designer Panos Panay said that, "Nothing stirs me more than Touch Cover," but it got a bit weird when he took it a step too far with, "I love my wife, but Touch Cover is very important to me."

Feel free to love your gadgets, but just don't love your gadgets, Microsoft. That gets into some weird territory.

The failed ending

Endings are always the hardest part, and as solid and interesting as the announcement from Microsoft was, throughout we had one thought in mind: "Pricing will be the make-or-break moment." And, unfortunately, that was a moment that never came, which sends the worst signals possible. Steven Sinofsky, President of Windows and Windows Live, came out to talk about pricing and availability, but the closest he came was in saying that the 32GB and 64GB Windows RT Surface would be priced competitively with ARM tablets. Given the specs and build quality, we'd like to think that means somewhere around $500 to $600, but could easily slide up towards $700 or more, and that's before adding in whatever the Touch Cover might cost. And, those prices assume Microsoft was referring to competing Android ARM tablets, not competing Windows ARM tablets, which could be more costly anyway, especially given the exorbitant Windows licensing fee. The Intel variants were also said to be "priced to compete", but that of course means nothing. "Compete" with what? The only thing that the Intel Surface was compared to during the presentation was an Ultrabook, which means the cost there could be anywhere around $1,000 and beyond.

Of course, this is all speculation, but that's the problem. Going into this announcement, we were wondering if Microsoft could live up to the hype that had built up around it, because that's something that Samsung and Apple both have struggled with. From a product standpoint, we think that Microsoft did live up to the hype, because the Surface looks like a pretty solid product, and the only real question we have about the product itself is the size of the Intel variant. Unfortunately, leaving out what the cost of the product will be a big problem, because it leaves the logical thought: if the Surface is really going to be "competitive" in its pricing, there's no real reason to leave out what that price will be. However, if the price is going to be "competitive considering we think we're giving you a ton of awesome features", then that's big trouble, and that's the reason you leave it out of the announcement.

Conclusion

Still, given the hype, the tablet itself looks pretty great. The metal casing looks solid, and we did notice a band of plastic, so there won't be any Asus Transformer Prime issues. The kickstand looks solid, and we're looking forward to hearing that sound that will pair-bond us with the Surface. The killer feature for the RT variant is the Touch Cover, and the killer of the Intel variant is that its full desktop Windows 8, which can't be downplayed enough. Regardless of what features Apple or Google add to their mobile operating systems going forward, it's going to be tough to compete on features with full desktop Windows. Of course, features aren't the only battleground, because as tablets have proven, many users just don't need a full desktop OS for the majority of uses. If you need to be really productive, Windows 8 on an Intel Surface will be a great option, but many people just won't need that, or at least will decide it's unnecessary depending on the price.

And, unfortunately, if the costs are as high as were originally rumored, it doesn't really matter how nice the Microsoft Surface is. And, Microsoft may have just spend about 30 minutes annoying hardware partners with this sort of competition for no reason. There are definitely the features present in the Surface, but the key is always the pricing."

Koja su vaša mišljenja? Ja osobno jedva čekam da se pojave na tržištu, budući da imam dosta iskustva sa low end android tabletima smatram da je vrijeme da pređem na nešto ozbiljnije i kvalitetnije, a u slučaju da cijena bude do max nekih 3500kn, mislim da bi to moglo biti to. U usporedbi sa Windowsima, Android i iOs su dječje igračke....

fre@k · 19.06.2012., 10:07

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U usporedbi sa Windowsima, Android i iOs su dječje igračke....

Nebi se baš složio s ovim.

Od cijelog Metro UI-a bi ostavio Weather i Maps (karte) - u svemu drugom nisam bas nasao nis korisno.

Otkupili su skype i umjesto da su i njega integrirali oni jos uvijek guraju onu glupost od live messengera.

Tablet na oko izgleda ljepo. A bumo vidjeli kak ce se to ponasati.

Mario92 · 19.06.2012., 11:24

Napokon prvi tablet (od svih na tržištu) koji bih si kupio

A što se tiče Android/iOS vs. Windows 8 (Pro) - duboko se nadam da će Windows dominirati.

potemkin.hr · 19.06.2012., 11:52

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Autor fre@k

Otkupili su skype i umjesto da su i njega integrirali oni jos uvijek guraju onu glupost od live messengera.

Pa ne bih se baš složio, MSN koristim više za voice callove jer mi se bolje ponaša od Skypea, a i ima bolje riješeni file transfer. Da imam više od par ljudi na Skypeu bi razmišljao o prelazu, a ovako ostajem na MSNu, gdje je sva ekipa.

Ako ne bundleaju i MSN i Skype sa njime nakon tolikih ulupanih milijardi su jednostavno rečeno debili

ogy_dogy · 19.06.2012., 12:30

Win8 još nije završen, tako da sam ja poprilično siguran da će skype do kraja biti integriran, to ćemo još vidjeti.
A što se tiče metroa, može vam se a i ne mora svidjeti, ali sama činjenica da imaš klasični desktop na tabletu paralelno sa metro-om... genijalno. to je stavka koja nadmašuje ios i android big time.
evo ga keynote sa eventa ako nekoga zanima...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jozTK...layer_embedded

seno · 19.06.2012., 12:35

Izjavljeno je da ce WP8 imati duboku skype intergraciju, cistom logikom ce imati i W8 tablet u final izdanju.

fre@k · 19.06.2012., 12:51

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Autor ogy_dogy

Win8 još nije završen, tako da sam ja poprilično siguran da će skype do kraja biti integriran, to ćemo još vidjeti.
A što se tiče metroa, može vam se a i ne mora svidjeti, ali sama činjenica da imaš klasični desktop na tabletu paralelno sa metro-om... genijalno. to je stavka koja nadmašuje ios i android big time.
evo ga keynote sa eventa ako nekoga zanima...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jozTK...layer_embedded

Moje misljenje je, da nema uopce potrebe za Klasicnim desktop-om .

Ne vidim neke prednosti sto ce w8 raditi u desktop modu na tabletima. Ako netko misli da ima prednosti volio bih cuti. Mozda ja grijesim.

Ivo_Strojnica · 19.06.2012., 13:17

Kratko i jasno - kupujem.

ogy_dogy · 19.06.2012., 13:21

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Autor fre@k

Moje misljenje je, da nema uopce potrebe za Klasicnim desktop-om .

Ne vidim neke prednosti sto ce w8 raditi u desktop modu na tabletima. Ako netko misli da ima prednosti volio bih cuti. Mozda ja grijesim.

Kad kažem desktop ne mislim samo na desktop, on je u principu u osmici sveden na običan app. ali uzmi u obzir milijune, milijarde aplikacija koje su sve napisane do sad za windowse i koji će (bi trebale) raditi na surface prou i mislim da bi prednost pred ostalim mobilnim os-ovima trebala biti sasvim jasna. Jedva čekam da pod predavanjem prelazim C&C Red Alert iz 1995 na tabletu

A ako te buni činjenica da ti appovi nisu predviđeni za touch i bla bla bla, pa jedan mali bluetooth mišonja bez beda stane u boršu

Baja 001 · 19.06.2012., 15:19

Izgleda da je ovo prvi put da MS ima jasnu viziju razvoja i integracije više uređaja. iOS pokušavaju bacit na OSX šta je po meni lošije, a ovo ima takvu sinergiju s telefonom da očekujem ka pun pogodak. Odličan metro, lagana tranzijcija PC>TABLET>MOB i jednostavno nešto novo i svježe. Šta smatram velikim plusom je to da su mobiteli dosta različiti a opet ne puno fragmentni ka droidi, a nisu toliko zatvoreni kao Apple, uz to imaju dominaciju na x86 tržištu i jako veliku bazu korisnika > puno lakše će punit market.

LAcy · 19.06.2012., 20:04

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Autor fre@k

Moje misljenje je, da nema uopce potrebe za Klasicnim desktop-om .

Ne vidim neke prednosti sto ce w8 raditi u desktop modu na tabletima. Ako netko misli da ima prednosti volio bih cuti. Mozda ja grijesim.

Prednost je što možeš imati u jednom uređaju tablet i laptop. Kad si na putu ili doma u fotelji, želiš samo nešto čitati, gledati, učiti, igrati... koristiš tablet jer je praktičnije. Kad stigneš na odredište i zatreba ti uređaj za nešto ozbiljnije, spojiš tipkovnicu, miša, prebaciš se u desktop, pokreneš dobru staru desktop aplikaciju i radiš.

Puno bolje od nošenja dva uređaja i sinkronizacije podataka među njima.

fre@k · 19.06.2012., 20:22

Ja mislim da onaj tko radi u Photoshopu ili 3D Aplikacijama Gdje i na velikim monitorima imas dosta zumiranja, te treba dosta vremena posvetit detaljima da nije bas jednostavno raditi, na 10'' monitoru.

Znam da se moze spojiti na eksterni monitor no to je opet dodatni trosak. Ukoliko ne posjedujes dodatni monitor.

U svakom slucaju vrlo tanka masina i dobro opremljena. Te naravno nisu svi "Dizajneri" kojima trebaju veliki ekrani i siguran sam da ce naci svoju primjenu.

19.06.2012., 09:22	#1
ogy_dogy Registered User Datum registracije: Aug 2011 Lokacija: Viškovo Postovi: 260	Microsoft surface Konačno, prema mom mišljenju jedina kuća koja može konkurirati odgriženoj jabuci je predstavila svoj tablet, upoznajte Microsoft Surface Teaser: C/P Phone Arena: "If you haven't noticed the news exploding through your news feed just now, Microsoft has made the formal announcement of the new Microsoft Surface tablet, and accessories. That's right, Microsoft decided to give a nice little callback to its tabletop touch-computers which used to hold the Surface name. Chances are that the only place you ever saw those were on TV news, but Microsoft is hoping the new Surface tablets see a bit more market penetration. The announcement just wrapped up, and the first impression is one that most people will likely make: Microsoft definitely took some cues from Apple for this presentation. From the adjectives to the design talk to the reveals and all, it was very reminiscent of an Apple announcement, but of course that's really nothing new. That's just the way these announcements are made these days, as we saw with the Samsung Galaxy Nexus announcement, and the Samsung Galaxy S III announcement. Of course, presenting a product like Apple would doesn't mean that this product follows an Apple template, because it doesn't. Where Apple would spend its time talking about how beautiful the device is, Microsoft mentioned the appearance and build quality, but always brought the conversation back to functionality, which is a very Googley thing to do. Real functionality, not gimmicks like voice control, but useful features that will help you use the tablet better. Of course, in doing so, Microsoft made some pretty subtle jabs at not only Apple, but all hardware manufacturers, including Microsoft's own partners, during the course of the presentation, and that may come back to cause trouble. *The Surface* One of the first jabs was in the fact that the Microsoft Surface isn't just another rectangular tablet to go alongside the dozens of offerings on the market (even though it actually is). The sides of the tablet are beveled at an angle of 22 degrees, so the tablet should feel more comfortable in your hand. This, no doubt, is an idea that Microsoft probably pulled from the Xbox team, because anyone who has ever played video games knows that angled handles are far more comfortable. Of course, the actual shape of the tablet is rectangular. We were really hoping the short edges would be set at an angle, which would give the bezel an asymmetric look, but would really improve how the tablet feels in your hand. The dimensions of the Surface are a bit big with a 10.6" display, so we're curious to see how it will actually feel in our hands, even with the angled edges. The Windows RT variant (ARM) will be 1.5 pounds (680g) and 9.3mm thick, while the Intel variant is "less than 2 pounds and less than 14mm thick. The RT version not huge, it's about the size of the new iPad, but the Intel version is a beast. 2 pounds doesn't sound that bad, especially given that many tablets run around 1.5 pounds, but that extra weight can really take its toll over the long haul, even if it is running "full desktop Windows". Still, the build quality looks great with the Gorilla Glass, magnesium case, and PVD finish (which makes the metal look something like brass). Of course, the thickness is partially because of main feature #2: the kickstand. The kickstand is something we've seen more often on smartphones for some reason, though there have been a couple tablets to have one. But, the kickstand on the Surface is a real kickstand, and sturdy. Where most tablets or smartphone kickstands are small, the Surface kickstand runs the length of the tablet, that seems like a much better idea. Microsoft even mentioned how hard the team worked on making the sound of the kickstand closing something "visceral" and something that causes an "emotional connection", which is a very Apple-like detail to drop in. Unfortunately, it's also standard. If you're someone who doesn't have much use for a kickstand, you're out of luck. However, Microsoft made it standard because it is needed for feature #3 that Microsoft wants to push: the Touch Cover. The Touch Cover is probably the feature that will get the most buzz, because it's almost amazing that we haven't seen a major company do this yet. It's a cover for the tablet, which uses magnets (of course) to connect and is basically another multitouch surface complete with trackpad and keyboard. The keyboard will be touch sensitive, but does have slightly raised keys, so it should feel better than on-screen typing, but maybe not as good as a standard keyboard. Of course, there is also a full keyboard option in the Type Cover, although, that may be only for the Intel variant, not the ARM version. That wasn't very clear. Again, there was a very strange moment where it felt like it was meant to be an Apple moment of pure love for the product when designer Panos Panay said that, "Nothing stirs me more than Touch Cover," but it got a bit weird when he took it a step too far with, "I love my wife, but Touch Cover is very important to me." Feel free to love your gadgets, but just don't love* your gadgets, Microsoft. That gets into some weird territory.* *The failed ending* Endings are always the hardest part, and as solid and interesting as the announcement from Microsoft was, throughout we had one thought in mind: "Pricing will be the make-or-break moment." And, unfortunately, that was a moment that never came, which sends the worst signals possible. Steven Sinofsky, President of Windows and Windows Live, came out to talk about pricing and availability, but the closest he came was in saying that the 32GB and 64GB Windows RT Surface would be priced competitively with ARM tablets. Given the specs and build quality, we'd like to think that means somewhere around $500 to $600, but could easily slide up towards $700 or more, and that's before adding in whatever the Touch Cover might cost. And, those prices assume Microsoft was referring to competing Android ARM tablets, not competing Windows ARM tablets, which could be more costly anyway, especially given the exorbitant Windows licensing fee. The Intel variants were also said to be "priced to compete", but that of course means nothing. "Compete" with what? The only thing that the Intel Surface was compared to during the presentation was an Ultrabook, which means the cost there could be anywhere around $1,000 and beyond. Of course, this is all speculation, but that's the problem. Going into this announcement, we were wondering if Microsoft could live up to the hype that had built up around it, because that's something that Samsung and Apple both have struggled with. From a product standpoint, we think that Microsoft did live up to the hype, because the Surface looks like a pretty solid product, and the only real question we have about the product itself is the size of the Intel variant. Unfortunately, leaving out what the cost of the product will be a big problem, because it leaves the logical thought: if the Surface is really going to be "competitive" in its pricing, there's no real reason to leave out what that price will be. However, if the price is going to be "competitive considering we think we're giving you a ton of awesome features", then that's big trouble, and that's the reason you leave it out of the announcement. *Conclusion* Still, given the hype, the tablet itself looks pretty great. The metal casing looks solid, and we did notice a band of plastic, so there won't be any Asus Transformer Prime issues. The kickstand looks solid, and we're looking forward to hearing that sound that will pair-bond us with the Surface. The killer feature for the RT variant is the Touch Cover, and the killer of the Intel variant is that its full desktop Windows 8, which can't be downplayed enough. Regardless of what features Apple or Google add to their mobile operating systems going forward, it's going to be tough to compete on features with full desktop Windows. Of course, features aren't the only battleground, because as tablets have proven, many users just don't need a full desktop OS for the majority of uses. If you need to be really productive, Windows 8 on an Intel Surface will be a great option, but many people just won't need that, or at least will decide it's unnecessary depending on the price. And, unfortunately, if the costs are as high as were originally rumored, it doesn't really matter how nice the Microsoft Surface is. And, Microsoft may have just spend about 30 minutes annoying hardware partners with this sort of competition for no reason. There are definitely the features present in the Surface, but the key is always the pricing." Koja su vaša mišljenja? Ja osobno jedva čekam da se pojave na tržištu, budući da imam dosta iskustva sa low end android tabletima smatram da je vrijeme da pređem na nešto ozbiljnije i kvalitetnije, a u slučaju da cijena bude do max nekih 3500kn, mislim da bi to moglo biti to. U usporedbi sa Windowsima, Android i iOs su dječje igračke.... __________________ Nokia Lumia 710 & Prestigio PMP 5080b Zadnje izmijenjeno od: ogy_dogy. 20.06.2012. u 09:52.

19.06.2012., 12:30	#5
ogy_dogy Registered User Datum registracije: Aug 2011 Lokacija: Viškovo Postovi: 260	Win8 još nije završen, tako da sam ja poprilično siguran da će skype do kraja biti integriran, to ćemo još vidjeti. A što se tiče metroa, može vam se a i ne mora svidjeti, ali sama činjenica da imaš klasični desktop na tabletu paralelno sa metro-om... genijalno. to je stavka koja nadmašuje ios i android big time. evo ga keynote sa eventa ako nekoga zanima... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jozTK...layer_embedded __________________ Nokia Lumia 710 & Prestigio PMP 5080b

19.06.2012., 13:17	#8
Ivo_Strojnica PRO Moj komp Datum registracije: Apr 2010 Lokacija: Zagreb Postovi: 4,177	Kratko i jasno - kupujem. __________________ "Who is your daddy and what does he do?"

19.06.2012., 11:24	#3
Mario92 Omicron Alpha resident Moj komp Datum registracije: Jun 2009 Lokacija: Bistra Postovi: 4,772	Napokon prvi tablet (od svih na tržištu) koji bih si kupio A što se tiče Android/iOS vs. Windows 8 (Pro) - duboko se nadam da će Windows dominirati. __________________ 95% of the world is retarded, I'm glad I am the 10%.

19.06.2012., 12:35	#6
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19.06.2012., 15:19	#10
Baja 001 Banned Moj komp Datum registracije: Aug 2006 Lokacija: Split Postovi: 7,504	Izgleda da je ovo prvi put da MS ima jasnu viziju razvoja i integracije više uređaja. iOS pokušavaju bacit na OSX šta je po meni lošije, a ovo ima takvu sinergiju s telefonom da očekujem ka pun pogodak. Odličan metro, lagana tranzijcija PC>TABLET>MOB i jednostavno nešto novo i svježe. Šta smatram velikim plusom je to da su mobiteli dosta različiti a opet ne puno fragmentni ka droidi, a nisu toliko zatvoreni kao Apple, uz to imaju dominaciju na x86 tržištu i jako veliku bazu korisnika > puno lakše će punit market.

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