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Staro 30.10.2024., 22:08   #3721
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Suma sumarum, disk je jednostavno sranje ili rikava?

Imaš neki vrlo čudan program za čitati smart podatke. Rekao bih da ti krivo prikazuje atribute. Kod Cruciala (barem na MXu, nemam nijedan BX pri ruci) atr. 202 je % lifetime remaining dok su atributi 210 nadalje brojevi grešaka i read/write količina podataka.

Ako imaš neki iole recentni smartmontools pogledaj "smartctl -A" što ti veli za BXa.

Za usporedbu mogu ti dati primjer kako izgleda ispravan smart report iz MXa ako treba.
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Ne vjerujem da će brzo crknuti, naprosto je takav,
kad se zadavi nekim poslom moraš ga ostaviti da sve prožvače ....
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Kada bi riknuo, to bi bila dobra vijest za RMA Iako da dobijem još jednog takvog i nije baš neka sreća. A MX je momentalno svega 15€ skuplji. Kako sam to kupio, što reći kakvu posluku porati.
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Imaš neki vrlo čudan program za čitati smart podatke.
KDE partition manager je taj čudan program. SS koji sam stavio je od HTML reporta kojeg isti proizvodi.

Code:
(base) [mkey@fedora ~]$ sudo smartctl -A /dev/sda
smartctl 7.4 2023-08-01 r5530 [x86_64-linux-6.11.4-201.fc40.x86_64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-23, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   100   100   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  5 Reallocate_NAND_Blk_Cnt 0x0032   100   100   010    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       2949
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       842
171 Program_Fail_Count      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
172 Erase_Fail_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
173 Ave_Block-Erase_Count   0x0032   097   097   000    Old_age   Always       -       31
174 Unexpect_Power_Loss_Ct  0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       18
180 Unused_Reserve_NAND_Blk 0x0033   100   100   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       48
183 SATA_Interfac_Downshift 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
184 Error_Correction_Count  0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   059   052   000    Old_age   Always       -       41 (Min/Max 19/48)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_ECC_Cnt 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       3
202 Percent_Lifetime_Remain 0x0030   097   097   001    Old_age   Offline      -       3
206 Write_Error_Rate        0x000e   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
210 Success_RAIN_Recov_Cnt  0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
246 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       5469636312
247 Host_Program_Page_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       170926134
248 FTL_Program_Page_Count  0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       1967262080
249 Unkn_CrucialMicron_Attr 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
251 Unkn_CrucialMicron_Attr 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       1790015475
252 Unkn_CrucialMicron_Attr 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       25
253 Unkn_CrucialMicron_Attr 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0

(base) [mkey@fedora ~]$ sudo smartctl /dev/sda --all |grep "Sector Size"
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
To bi značilo 2.55TB zapisano, što mi zvuči realno i nije baš neki pretjerano velik broj.


nikki, da li bi to "davljenje" ubilo i čitanje na neko vrijeme? Jer sada ponavljam par puta to testiranje (gdje sam pisao 5x512MB jednom ili dva puta) i ponaša se drugačije. Pisanje i dalje potone, ali read je sada prihvaljiv i više ne uspijevam vidjeti onih 40-50 MB/s.

Code:
                        KDiskMark (3.1.4): https://github.com/JonMagon/KDiskMark
                    Flexible I/O Tester (fio-3.35): https://github.com/axboe/fio
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
* KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

[Read]
Sequential   1 MiB (Q=  8, T= 1):   550.163 MB/s [    537.3 IOPS] < 14797.43 us>
Sequential   1 MiB (Q=  1, T= 1):   460.394 MB/s [    449.6 IOPS] <  2222.04 us>
    Random   4 KiB (Q= 32, T= 1):    86.602 MB/s [  21650.5 IOPS] <  1477.17 us>
    Random   4 KiB (Q=  1, T= 1):    28.598 MB/s [   7149.6 IOPS] <   139.34 us>

[Write]
Sequential   1 MiB (Q=  8, T= 1):    20.434 MB/s [     20.0 IOPS] < 376311.22 us>
Sequential   1 MiB (Q=  1, T= 1):    19.147 MB/s [     18.7 IOPS] < 51750.91 us>
    Random   4 KiB (Q= 32, T= 1):    10.402 MB/s [   2600.7 IOPS] <  9425.26 us>
    Random   4 KiB (Q=  1, T= 1):     8.231 MB/s [   2057.8 IOPS] <   397.23 us>

Profile: Default
   Test: 512 MiB (x5) [Measure: 5 sec / Interval: 5 sec]
   Date: 2024-10-30 21:52:33
      OS: fedora 40 [linux 6.11.4-201.fc40.x86_64]
EDIT: Logika mi nalaže slijedeće: ako je disk bio udavljen s tih nešo zapisanih GB, sada, nakon što sam pustio malo vremena da se dođe sebi i ponovio pisanje 5x16MiB, a on i dalje piše 15 MB/s, tu o davljenju po meni nema govora.

Code:
                        KDiskMark (3.1.4): https://github.com/JonMagon/KDiskMark
                    Flexible I/O Tester (fio-3.35): https://github.com/axboe/fio
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
* KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

[Read]
Sequential   1 MiB (Q=  8, T= 1):   464.213 MB/s [    453.3 IOPS] < 14623.20 us>
Sequential   1 MiB (Q=  1, T= 1):   435.938 MB/s [    425.7 IOPS] <  2326.92 us>
    Random   4 KiB (Q= 32, T= 1):    96.734 MB/s [  24183.7 IOPS] <  1313.77 us>
    Random   4 KiB (Q=  1, T= 1):    30.411 MB/s [   7602.7 IOPS] <   130.83 us>

[Write]
Sequential   1 MiB (Q=  8, T= 1):    15.000 MB/s [     14.6 IOPS] < 423035.66 us>
Sequential   1 MiB (Q=  1, T= 1):    13.097 MB/s [     12.8 IOPS] < 70963.12 us>
    Random   4 KiB (Q= 32, T= 1):    13.193 MB/s [   3298.3 IOPS] <  7576.24 us>
    Random   4 KiB (Q=  1, T= 1):    11.416 MB/s [   2854.2 IOPS] <   288.08 us>

Profile: Default
   Test: 16 MiB (x5) [Measure: 5 sec / Interval: 5 sec]
   Date: 2024-10-30 22:21:53
     OS: fedora 40 [linux 6.11.4-201.fc40.x86_64]
Svaki naredni pokušaj sve lošiji i lošiji write speed. Budem ga pustio da odmori pa probam sutra opet.
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Pod "davljenje" sam mislio na čitanje / pisanje neke gomilice podataka, ne koliko je ukupno zauzeće podacima.
Ako sam dobro razumio, sad imaš prostora na nekom drugom hdd / ssd za privremeno prebaciti podatke koji su na tom betežnom BX - u ?
Ako je tako onda napravi:
1 - copy sa BX > nekamo
2 - formatiraj BX
3 - od nekamo copy na BX
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Sve su ti već rekli, to je low end SSD bez DRAM cachea, ubiti će se od malo većih transfera, a ti si ga krenuo mučiti tim nekakvim benchmarcima, pogotovo ovakvi koji su više iops orijentirani.
Bolje bi bilo da si uzeo MX, ali sad što je tu je.
Atrib 202 = disk je na 97% zdravlja, nećeš to tako skoro zatući
Da, dobro si izračunao tih 2.5 TB, nije to ništa.
Par napomena još:
- provjeri da li ti na gedori radi trim, trebao bi biti systemd timer na 1x tjedno ili tako nešto. Možeš jednokratno ručno trimati s fstrim komandom, to bi trebalo nešto sitno skockati write u slučaju da si ga ubio tim benchmarcima
- vidi da se SSD možda ne pregrijava, imao sam slučajeva sa takvim jeftinjacima da imaju plastično kućište i vole zakuhati unutra a da se ne skuži izvana pa kreće throttle.
- kako ti je tomek predložio, ako sumnjaš na čitanje, probaj pokrenuti "gnome disks" app (ako je dostupna u gedori) pa pusti tamo bench, to radi na blok nivou, kao da s dd čitaš disk. ovi tvoji benchovi svi traže filesystem, datoteke itd. pa i o tome ovise perf.
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Disk je ubijen sa 3GB benchmarka? Da ne spominjem da je bio ubiven već s prvim benchmarkom. Dok je počeo upisivati 5x512GB već je write bio na 15MB/s. I prije sam prebacivao podatke, desetke GB odjednom, na ovaj disk pa nije to prebacivanje trajalo satima i danima.

Write speed 15MB/s. Dakle, stick od prije 15 godina. O čemu pričamo? Razlika u cijeni između MX i CX je 15€. Reklamira se kao disk koji ima RW cca 500 MB/s.

Čini mi se da nismo na istoj stranici, razlika je bar jedan red veličine.

Što se tiče temperature, prema SMART ne prelazi 32°C. Ako ga je pregrijalo zapisivanje 3GB podataka i to odmah čim je isto krenulo a da je pritom tijekom popodneva bio opterećen sa seedanjem 1MB/s onda to nije isparavan disk.

Probat ću vidjeti što je s gnome disks, koliko vidim to dnf, makar pod tim nazivom, ne prepoznaje.

EDIT: po defaultnim opcijama, 100x10 MB read speed daje 487 MB/s, dakle sve po starom. Ponovljeno za write, isto tako 100x10MB brzina nakon 25 samples 10.4MB/s i ide polagano dolje. Sada je read viši, ide na 525 dok je konačni write 10.1 MB/s.

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Napravio "sudo fstrim /run/media/mkey/HDD4" radilo je to minutu dvije, ništa ne vrati, no news is good news, valjda.

Gdisk performanse ista patka. Ako je disk "ubijen" koliko vremena mu treba da se oporavi?

https://i.imgur.com/FtEUiNM.png


EDIT: odradio još jedan taj gnome disk write benchmark, 100x10MB, temperatura prije (hddtemp) 29, poslije 36°C. Probat ću ga još isformatirati u EXT4, iako ne vidim da je to relevantno.

https://i.imgur.com/EvOIfCs.png


EDIT2: formatiranje u EXT4 trajalo preko 3 minute WTF

https://i.imgur.com/RiWySku.png
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 31.10.2024., 22:22   #3730
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Ako si ikako u mogućnosti, vrati to i uzmi MXa.

Nešto ne valja s tim diskom.... Write je debelo prespor.
A i read ti neobjašnjivo pada od 30-70% to ne smije biti tako.
Pretpostavljam da taj disk nije bio montiran kao sistemski i radilo se nešto na njemu za vrijeme dok si sve te benchmarke radio
Za taj bench ja volim staviti 100MB x 1000 sample size pa kako koji disk živ ili mrtav nakon toga.
Nemam ništa sličnoga pri ruci, ali evo ti za primjer rezultat jednog sličnog SSDa kao i taj BX, vjeruj mi jedno puno veće gofno od BXa, još je testiran u USB ladici
Izgleda naoko sve super, taj je završio u jednom kompu za lokalni veeam backup i obamire lagano, write se spušta na 15 MB/s, pun je cca pola.
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Disk uopće nije u upotrebi cijelo ovo vrijeme. Od jučer sam ga oslobodio svih zaduženja a i inače je služio kao disk za torrente te sam nešto igara držao gore. Veći dio vremena njegov workload je bio 1MB/s uploada i to je to. Zato nisam niti primijetio nikakve probleme s njime dok jučer nisam odradio taj benchmark, onako skroz slučajno. Nabavio sam kućište ta jedan NVME disk koji mi je ostao neupotrebljen, pa sam testirao njega i usput druge diskove.

Evo rezultata nakon formatiranja u EXT4. Idemo i dalje lagano dolje. Da padne brzina nakon desetak ispisanih GB na 100 MB/s ne bih ništa rekao, i tako je to OK za svrhu diska. Ali brate mili, ne samo što je nisko nego je fluktuacija brzine ubitačna. Idealno bi bilo da krepa, samo sa 10-12MB/s write bila bi to jaaaako spora smrt.

https://i.imgur.com/zNseKU9.png

U odnosu na ovaj tvoj benchmark, moja crvena linija je puno postojanija.

Poslao sam im tamo to sve za RMA, nataknem ih. Abdullah se javio automatskim mailom Nije ni druga godina od tri godine garancije istekla, neka izvole to rješavati. Kako ti kažeš, najbolje bi bilo isposlovati zamjenu za MX.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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A zašto ti plava linija je tako pala na onom grafu od 30-70% kapaciteta diska?
Jesi probao taj disk baš u kompu?
Probaj neki drugi komp ili drugi sata port.
Nemoj samo preko nekog usb 2 sata adaptera, tu znaju razni problemi se pojaviti.
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Preko SATA je spojen. Mislim da mi je to jedino što još mogu probati, da promijenim SATA kabel odnosno port. Budem to sutra. Imam nekoliko novih SATA kabela samo ih moram iskopati.

I to šta kažeš, ta propadanja baš bodu u oko.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Propadanja koja vidiš su posljedica ne-imanja DRAM cachea na SATA SSDu.

SATA SSDovi nemogu koristiti HBM kao NVMe SSD-ovi koji su direktno na PCIe sabirnici. Budući da nemaju DRAM za keširanje, spremanje podataka o wear levelingu i garbage collectionu onda iste te podatke sprema… pogađaš… na svoj flash NAND, u tvom slučaju najniže kvalitete jer se radi u BXu.

A NAND je puuno sporiji od DRAM cachea i prekida I/O operacije prema hostu dok drlja po NANDu i dodatno ubija već u startu loš NAND.

Pa ti kupuj jeftino “tek toliko za torrente”

Pouka: DRAM cache je must-have za SATA SSD
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Da li je ovaj nesretni Crucial BX500 spreman prdeknut? Write speed niti 14MB/s bogati.
Ja san ima takav i krepo je.
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Ja imam MXa od 1tb samo za igre i kupio sam ga bas zato jer je bio sitno skuplji od takvih smeca i evo sluzi me vec 4-5 godina bez greske, uopce mu ne padaju performanse,na 98% zdravlja je. Ne kupuj prejeftino kako su ti rekli.
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@medo & @disco Javili se rezidencijalni pametanjakovići. Ajde dečki definirajte pojam "prejeftino" u ovom kontekstu, molim vas. Da čujem to objašnjenje, vaš tijek misli i kako od nečeg smislenog (problem s komadom hardwera) dođete do takvog laprdanja kakvo javno prezentirate.

Pojednostaviti ću vam kad djeci od 6 godina. Jesam li kupio neki kineski jeftinjava disk bez garancije, model drži vodi dok majstori ne odu, cijena kojeg je bila debelo ispod onoga što treba platiti za razuman komad hardwera?
1) da
2) ne

Ukoliko ste zaokružili (1) moram zaključiti da ne znate čitati.
Ukoliko ste zaokružili (2) moram zaključiti kako laprdate bez veze, niđe logike.

Inače, ovaj moj disk je prvi komad hardwera koji ima neki problem od kada se komercijalni hardware pojavio pred 50 godina pa mi je jasno da netko može ostat zabezeknut takvom problematikom.

> SATA SSDovi nemogu koristiti HBM kao NVMe SSD-ovi koji su direktno na PCIe sabirnici. Budući da nemaju DRAM za keširanje, spremanje podataka o wear levelingu i garbage collectionu onda iste te podatke sprema… pogađaš… na svoj flash NAND, u tvom slučaju najniže kvalitete jer se radi u BXu.

Ovo u teoriji vjerojatno drži vodu, međutim neprimjenjivo je u predmetnom slučaju. Zašto? Zato što:
a) ovdje pričamo o NEISPRAVNOM HARDWERU. Nadam se da možeš shvatiti.
b) Iz prezentiranih informacija je OČITO kako propadanja u WRITE SPEED nema. Ista je stabilna i zabijena na dno.
c) Bilo je određenog propadanja u READ SPEED, kako se vidi i na ovom primjeru gdje sam koristio 100x10MB i koji je s tom brzinom pisanja potrajao neko vrijeme.

https://i.imgur.com/c87yhha.png

Tehnički problemi se laprdanjem ne mogu riješiti. Molim vas obojicu da čitate s razumijevanjem. Kada čitam ovakve budalaštine na ovom forumu baš budem žalostan.
Ovo bi trebao biti forum gdje je relativno limitiran broj IT dibidusa a naročito limitiran broj IT dibidusa koji pametuju. Nadam se da me shvaćate.

Što se tiče njihova supporta priznali su RMA. Nisu laprdali bez veze o tome kako sam kupio "prejeftino" nego su uvidjeli očitu činjenicu da je uređaj neispravan. Pitao sam ih i za mogućnost zamjene uz nadoplatu za MX ali neće da može.
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Ajde super da si riješio barem zamjenu. Ako ti nije tlaka, kad dobiješ taj novi, pusti isti test pa javi kako radi.
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A neće mi sigurno biti tlaka provjeriti Ti zamjenski koje šalju, idu li oni s novom garancijom? Iako, drugi put ga sigurno ne budem mijenjao, neka se nosi. Vjerujem da sam ubo prstom u govanjce, jednom dovoljno.
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@medo & @disco Javili se rezidencijalni pametanjakovići. Ajde dečki definirajte pojam "prejeftino" u ovom kontekstu, molim vas. Da čujem to objašnjenje, vaš tijek misli i kako od nečeg smislenog (problem s komadom hardwera) dođete do takvog laprdanja kakvo javno prezentirate.

a) ovdje pričamo o NEISPRAVNOM HARDWERU. Nadam se da možeš shvatiti.
b) Iz prezentiranih informacija je OČITO kako propadanja u WRITE SPEED nema. Ista je stabilna i zabijena na dno.
okej nemaš dropove nego imaš konstantni drop,

Očito si željan naših budalaština i laprdanja kada tražiš da ih još pišemo
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Vjeruj mi, nisam ih željan. Sam sam kazao da sam požalio kupnju, ali te spike kao da sam kupio neko smeće i očekivao da traje narednih 30 godina su deplasirane.

Disk je tada, prije dvije godine, koštao 119. Ne znam kolika je bila razlika prema MX. Samsung je vjerojatno bio na +40%. Bila je to donekle ishitrena kupovina, ali sve ima svoju primjenu, ja sam smatrao da je to OK disk za cca 1TB po godini. Smatram da je to prikladna primjena i, kao za svaki drugi komad hardwera, očekivao sam da bude potrajao dulje od garantnog roka.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 01.11.2024., 16:08   #3742
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Staro 01.11.2024., 16:31   #3743
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Da je BX dovoljno dobar onda ne bi postojao MX. BX je napravljen da se proda. MX je napravljen da radi.

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Tebi je teško slušati pametovanja… Ne brini, neću si oduzimati vrijeme i pametovati/laprdati kada sljedeći puta budeš imao problem
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medo, nisi ništa niti ponudio tako da vjerujem da idući put ništa neću niti izgubiti.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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bubba krepala mi je tipkovnica od ispljunute kave, jeb*emti sve!
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medo, nisi ništa niti ponudio tako da vjerujem da idući put ništa neću niti izgubiti.

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Ili dodas ovo:


Code:
tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0

u fstab. Slozis da torenti skidaju u /tmp pa kad skinu kompletno sto skidas prebace na SSD. Na taj nacin bez obzira o SSD-u kontantna zapisivanja idu u RAM koji je ionak za to napravljen i govno od jeftikaner SSD-a je lakse koristiti. A drugi put kad uzimas SSD izbjegavaj ta jeftina govanca.



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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Ponavljam: jeftina u odnosu na što?

A jeboga patak mkey pa nisi bedast znas da pri tome mislim na to da ako kupujes ne uzimas najjeftinija govanca kao BX seriju Cruciala.
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