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Staro 05.10.2007., 23:44   #61
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Nikakav VGA ili kompozitni ulaz nije potreban. Na tako velikim panelima i visokim rezama, to ce izgledati prilicno lose, bez kontrasta, crna = tamno siva, "flickering" slike, neprecizne boje.

DVI ili HDMI je sve sto treba, ali uz dva uvjeta - da podrzavaju native rezu panela, sto je za vecinu 32" 1366x768, te da ima 1:1 pixel mapping. Ovo potonje je kriticno, jer ako ga nema, TV ce skalirat sliku i tako unistiti kvalitetu.
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Staro 06.10.2007., 11:13   #62
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zato govorim da je potreban VGA ulaz....
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Staro 06.10.2007., 13:41   #63
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U pravu ste i jedan i drugi...
većina panela na HDMI ulazima 'očekuje' HD reze (720p ili 1080p) tako da za full HD panele nije problem dobiti nativnu rezu 1920x1080 ali za HD ready panele (1366x768) nativna reza u pravilu je moguća jedino preko VGA ulaza.

Tu se javlja još jedan problem, većina panela ima overscan na HDMI ulazima tako da čak i kad panel prikazuje 1920x1080 slika je blago razvučena što nije neki problem kod gledanja videa ali za igre je to svakako loša solucija a za korištenje TVa kao desktopa je neupotrebljivo jer je taskbar obično van ekrana. Neki (skuplji ?) paneli imaju mogućnost podešavanja overscana preko izbornika a na nekima je to moguće preko servisnog menija ali to je više izuzetak nego pravilo.

Razlika HDMI - VGA dolazi do izražaja tek kod velikih panela >42" dok je kod manjih (26"-40") jako mala ili nikakva (naravno sve ovisi o kvaliteti elektronike ali bilo koji noviji panel dobro odrađuje konverziju) tako da je IMO svakako bolje koristiti VGA sa 1:1 pixel mappingom nego DVI > HDMI sa skaliranom slikom.
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At first glance
I probably appear to be a somewhat ordinary,
somewhat average looking fellow.
Calm, harmless, at ease.

But this is by design.
You see, it is through decades of research and rigorous training that I have crafted this façade of normalcy.

And now, through intense concentration,
I am able to function in a social setting.
I can speak at length with educated people about
pertinent matters of public importance,
such as literature,
or the current political climate in Europe.

I am capable of conversing with you
without ever revealing that just underneath the surface
of this manufactured veneer
there hides an altogether different person.
A monster, some might say.
My alter-ego.
He is the opposite of the image I project.
He is the antithesis of Cool.
He is the LAST person you want to get trapped in a conversation with.

He is The Geek.
The obsessive science fiction movie watching,
comic book collecting,
Monty Python dialogue memorizing,
Dungeons and Dragons playing GEEK
that I struggle daily to keep hidden from the world.

But The Geek Wants Out.

He want to talk to you.
He wants to give you his doctoral dissertation on why
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
is the greatest fucking film of all time!

He wants to bitch slap you because
you’ve never seen Big Trouble in Little China.
What? Have you been living in a fucking cave?!

He wants to kick your ass in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
And he will.
Because he’s a fucking Geek.

And he wants his toys.
He wants the complete set
in mint condition,
still in the box.
He wants every item on the planet that is even remotely related to Ultraman.
Because Ultraman is Airwolf!

He could give a squirt of piss
about sports or politics or rhetoric.
Such things are of no consequence to him.
What matters is the release date of the next Lord of the Rings movie!

You see, The Geek can’t wait.
The Geek has no patience.
He wants what he wants when he wants it.
And all he wants is stupid shit!

He wants his own Tardis.
He wants his own light saber.
He wants to buy a DeLorean and he wants to drive it 88 miles per hour.

He wants movies.
He wants to see the Director’s Cut.
He wants the impossible to find Japanese bootleg with
6 minutes of never-before-seen footage.

He wants to watch Blade Runner. Again.
He wants to watch Brazil. Again.
He wants to watch A Clockwork Orange.
Again and Again!

But I deprive him of these things, as best I can,
until I can no longer ignore his voice
screaming in my head.

I am Jekyl. He is Hyde.
I am Bruce Banner. He is the Hulk.
Especially the Hulk from issues #272 to #378.

But no longer!
I am putting a stop to all this nerdy shit right now!
I’m an adult, for Christ’s sake!
And this body isn’t big enough for the both of us.
One of us has to go, and it’s gonna be him.
I banishing the Geek forever to the Phantom Zone,
just like in Superman II !
Because, in the end –
there can be only one.
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Staro 06.10.2007., 14:21   #64
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fala ti Crni što si tako fino objasnio

a sad očekuj opet potpitanja, ZAŠTO, ZAŠTO, ZAŠTOOOOO:::::
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Staro 06.10.2007., 17:16   #65
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Jao, ja sam vec lud. Sada mi se opet mota plazma po glavi. Moja kombinacija je projektor plus TV za svakodnevno gledanje.

Projektor - njega sam odabrao i cekam da stigne. HD ready je i na njemu cu gledati filmove. te bi ponekad pogledao koju tekmu. Imam TV tuner na kompu pa preko DVI-a na projektor. Vidite li probleme s rezolucijom ovdje?
Nativna mu je 720p a format 16:9
Kako je panel na njemu mali a i responce ok mislim da necu imati problema kod gledanja TV sadrzaja preko projektora.

TV - opcija 1 LCD a ujedno i monitor (za surfanje, malo rada na kompu nista prof.) ili opcija 2 Plasma i 19" monitor za komp. Kazu da je slika sa kompa na plazmi losija od LCD-a.
Mene muci uzeti LCD i gledati zrnastu TV sa mnogo trzaja. To me najvise zivcira, dana gledao u HG spotu u Mandyu, HD televizore i slika kada se pomice nije mekana vec kada gledas iz bliza vidis trzanje kako se slika mijenja, tipa u kadru je let u helikopteru iznad neke shume. rijeka, kadar se jako malo mijenja no kako se mijenja trza, kao da ide stepenicu po stepenicu. Ser.. se ja na HD kada slika trza, radije gledam losiju rezoluciju nego da me za pola sata pocne boliti glava od cimanja.

Da li je mozda najbolje pricekati jos neko vrijeme, ostati na CRT-u i cekati vrijeme boljeg signala? :-)
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Staro 06.10.2007., 17:58   #66
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to trzanje je takozvani juder (ili kako se već piše) efekt, i boljka je svih LCD/plazma ekrana.. i nema veze sa tv programom, već sa framerateom... imaš ga i kod dvd filmova i kod HD materijala. čak i kod 1080p materijala.

i iskreno, ne kužim tvoj zadnji post, jesi ti na kraju naručio/kupio taj projektor, ili još ne?
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Staro 06.10.2007., 18:37   #67
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Projektor sam kupio no jos ga nisam dobio u ruke. Ostala mi je jos dvojba.
1. Ostati na CRT-u i 19" LCD monitoru
2. Kupiti TV LCD 32", koristiti kao TV i monitor

Plazmu sam upravo izbacio jer kazes da i na njoj HD trza.
Ja sam cijelo vrijeme mislio da je trzanje manjka loseg LCD-a, a da neki vrhunski nemaju taj problem. Sto reci na kraju nego da sam razocaran. Jel' to do (digitalnog) signala ili displaya? Pa kaj bumo u buducnosti svi gledali kak trza? :-) Pa bolje mi je onda gledati na CRT-u i analogno.
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Staro 06.10.2007., 20:23   #68
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svi proizvođači LCDa su izbacili 100Hz modele (a neki i 120Hz) kod kojih nema apsolutno nikakvog trzanja ni kod običnog TV signala a pogotovo ne kod HDa jer se framerate kod brzih scena udvostručuje i tako zaglađuje pokret... imam doma regzu od 100hz tako da znam iz prve ruke
Ne bi sad želio da ispadne kako 'svaki cigo svoga konja hvali' ali za Toshibinu regza seriju sve preporuke, crna je crna, bijela je bijela, HD je vrhunski a TV slika (DVB-T) je odlična. Ja sam je uzeo radi HDa i TV mi nije bio primaran ali sam ostao iznenađen kvalitetom. Ovisno o produkciji, TV slika na momente izgleda poput HD signala i to najviše na RTLu i na reklamama jer su rađene digitalno u wide formatu. Najgore izgledaju serije iz 70ih koje su kvalitete malo boljeg divixa...i još jedna stvar, ako nemate mogućnost prijema DVB-T signala nemojte se uopće zamarati sa HD panelima jer analogija jednostavno izgleda očajno a to se neće promijeniti na bolje jer je tehnologija na zalasku pa se proizvođači ni ne trude to poboljšavati. Najžalosnije od svega je da su u većini dućana HD paneli spojeni na analogni TV signal (i to obavezno preko splitera) tako da sliku u dućanu slobodno možete zanemariti...
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The Geek Wants OUT
by Ernest Cline


At first glance
I probably appear to be a somewhat ordinary,
somewhat average looking fellow.
Calm, harmless, at ease.

But this is by design.
You see, it is through decades of research and rigorous training that I have crafted this façade of normalcy.

And now, through intense concentration,
I am able to function in a social setting.
I can speak at length with educated people about
pertinent matters of public importance,
such as literature,
or the current political climate in Europe.

I am capable of conversing with you
without ever revealing that just underneath the surface
of this manufactured veneer
there hides an altogether different person.
A monster, some might say.
My alter-ego.
He is the opposite of the image I project.
He is the antithesis of Cool.
He is the LAST person you want to get trapped in a conversation with.

He is The Geek.
The obsessive science fiction movie watching,
comic book collecting,
Monty Python dialogue memorizing,
Dungeons and Dragons playing GEEK
that I struggle daily to keep hidden from the world.

But The Geek Wants Out.

He want to talk to you.
He wants to give you his doctoral dissertation on why
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
is the greatest fucking film of all time!

He wants to bitch slap you because
you’ve never seen Big Trouble in Little China.
What? Have you been living in a fucking cave?!

He wants to kick your ass in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
And he will.
Because he’s a fucking Geek.

And he wants his toys.
He wants the complete set
in mint condition,
still in the box.
He wants every item on the planet that is even remotely related to Ultraman.
Because Ultraman is Airwolf!

He could give a squirt of piss
about sports or politics or rhetoric.
Such things are of no consequence to him.
What matters is the release date of the next Lord of the Rings movie!

You see, The Geek can’t wait.
The Geek has no patience.
He wants what he wants when he wants it.
And all he wants is stupid shit!

He wants his own Tardis.
He wants his own light saber.
He wants to buy a DeLorean and he wants to drive it 88 miles per hour.

He wants movies.
He wants to see the Director’s Cut.
He wants the impossible to find Japanese bootleg with
6 minutes of never-before-seen footage.

He wants to watch Blade Runner. Again.
He wants to watch Brazil. Again.
He wants to watch A Clockwork Orange.
Again and Again!

But I deprive him of these things, as best I can,
until I can no longer ignore his voice
screaming in my head.

I am Jekyl. He is Hyde.
I am Bruce Banner. He is the Hulk.
Especially the Hulk from issues #272 to #378.

But no longer!
I am putting a stop to all this nerdy shit right now!
I’m an adult, for Christ’s sake!
And this body isn’t big enough for the both of us.
One of us has to go, and it’s gonna be him.
I banishing the Geek forever to the Phantom Zone,
just like in Superman II !
Because, in the end –
there can be only one.
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Staro 06.10.2007., 22:09   #69
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Ok, sve jasno. Uzi izbor je onda vec spomenuti TV Panasonic TX-32LX70P i Toshiba. Jedino ne znam gdje se moze kupiti ta Regza i kolika joj je cijena. Ima li jos o ovom cijenovnom rangu 100Hz LCD televizora?
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Staro 06.10.2007., 22:53   #70
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trzanje još uvijek Crni postoji, ovisi koliko tko primijeti i na što pod tim trzanjem misli... ja govorim o tome kad kamera brže panira, ili kad je duže u pokretu pa se primijeti.. mene osobno to uopće ne smeta jer sam navikao valjda..

a o tome da se ne primijeti više mogu reć da se VIDI, a kao dokaz ću navesti upravo jučer gledanu Pioneer Kuro 50" plazmu od 40 000kn, na koju je psojen Pioneer Blu ray player od 11k kn, i stavljen 1080p james bond, i u pojedinim scenama se lagano osjeti (zanemarivo, ali se primiejti) trzanje.. s tim da konkretno ta plazma ima nekakav posebni novi anti juder engine, bla bla..

32" za komp će ti bit iskreno preveliko. jedino ako ga ne planiraš gledati sa 2 metra udaljenosti.

koji projektor si uzeo?
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Staro 06.10.2007., 23:26   #71
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Projektor je Panasonic PT-AX200E. Udaljenost do TV-a (monitora) ce biti 3m. Malo igranja sa fontom i nadam se da ce sve biti citko.
Trzanje koje ja primijecujem je ravnomjerno i (meni) iritantno (k'o da igram igru a graficka shteka).
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