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Staro 23.11.2024., 12:39   #5071
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treba mi budget am5 matična.
Ima li što bolje od asrock b650-hdv/m.2 za ryzen 9600x? jedini uvjet da ima header za 3.2 usb-c na kucistu i dobar vrm.
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Staro 23.11.2024., 13:39   #5072
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Po meni "dobar vrm" uključuje više fazni dizajn od 8+2+1 kao taj asrock kao i dobro hlađenje vrm-a sa nekakvim hladnjacima, koje taj asrock nema. Ali, takve ploče su skuplje od 120-130€, pa "dobar vrm" i "najjeftinija budget ploča" baš ne idu zajedno.

Uglavnom, više mi se dopada Asus PRIME B650M-A od tog AsRocka.

Edit: zanemari, krivi Asrock sam gledao

Evo za 147€ na Amazonu imaš punokrvnu ATX ploču sa 12+2 VRM i svime. Rađe nego AsRock ako se mene pita
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Staro 23.11.2024., 13:54   #5073
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hvala na preporuci kolega! ali zaboravio sam dopisat da mora biti matx format zbog kucista.
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Staro 05.12.2024., 00:37   #5074
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Obzirom da mi je komp prilično star vrijeme je da krenem sa sastavljanjem novoga. Trenutno sam u potrazi za matičnom, ovaj put idem na atx format i u užem izboru su mi Asrock X870 Steel Legend WIFI i Asrock B650E Taichi Lite (ako je dostupna). Više od 350 eura ne bih dao za matičnu, koja bi od ovih bila bolji izbor i ima li možda neka bolja do tog iznosa?
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Staro 05.12.2024., 00:44   #5075
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Ja bi osobno išao na ASUS TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI.

Jedina razlika između X870 i X670E čipseta je USB4, koji ako ikad bude trebao, lako staviš na PCI-E utor.
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Staro 05.12.2024., 09:43   #5076
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Najbolja vrijednost je Asrock X870 Pro RS, ima VRM kao sve te do 500e (14 fazni) i PCI-E 5.0, pitanje je što dobiješ sa skupljima.
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Staro 20.12.2024., 10:58   #5077
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Uzeo na kraju Asrock B650 Steel Legend WIFI, platio 220 eura. Malo sam još gledao šta bi mi odgovaralo i mislim da nemam potrebe za boljom odnosno skupljom. A i bolje će sjesti u bijelo kučište
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Staro 06.02.2025., 21:17   #5078
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Imate li kakvih saznanja u svezi glede naredne situacije: Asrock B650M Pro RS s 7500F procesorom i Patriot Viper DDR5 6000 RAM je u pitanju, BIOS zadnja dostupna verzija od prije par tjedana.

Kada sam komp složio prvi puta one post checker lampice su bile upaljene jedno dulje vrijeme. Poučen nekim prethodnim iskustvima pustio sam ga tako desetak minuta i došao je sebi. Kasnije je komp upaljen ugašen x puta kroz deset dana i sve je bilo OK.

Malo prije otvorim predmetni komp i vadim GPU vanka da stavim hladnjak na NVME (pošto sam računao da isti dolazi s pločom, kako nije, kupio naknadno i sada ubacio). Van unutra, 5 minuta. Nakon toga komp zaglavi na prve dvije post checker ledice, manual kaže CPU+RCM. Trajno upaljene. Stajao je tako 4-5 minuta.

Prvo sam mislio da mi nije GPU dobro sjela, i nije, malo pritisnuo, sjedne do kraja. Probao opet upaliti i stanje isto kao prije. Pustio tako minutu dvije.

Pa onda izvadio opet van GPU, ubacio unutra, upalio, CPU+RAM lampice upaljene. Ostavio par minuta i onda je odglavio i normalno bootao. Komp opet gašen paljen nakon toga, nema nikakvih zamjerki, ponaša se kao da ništa nije bilo.

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Staro 06.02.2025., 21:20   #5079
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Ram training vjerojatno, doduše malo mi je čudno da baš tako dugo traje

Btw, kako Asrock B650M Pro RS ne dolazi sa hladnjakom za NVMe disk? Iznad PCI-E slota je NVMe slot sa hladnjakom, odšrafiš 2 šarafa i ispod tog heatsinka ide SSD u slot



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S time da su ti donja 2 slota preko chipseta Gen 4, a ovaj gornji je preko CPU Gen 5
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I u BIOS-u probaj naći i uključiti Memory Context Restore opciju, tako da jednom kad odradi memory training, kasnije više ne vrti taj dio nepotrebno.
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Btw, kako Asrock B650M Pro RS ne dolazi sa hladnjakom za NVMe disk? Iznad PCI-E slota je NVMe slot sa hladnjakom, odšrafiš 2 šarafa i ispod tog heatsinka ide SSD u slot
Kakav sam ja jebeni ćoravi idiot Goni ga, neću ga opet otvarat, neka stoji na Gen 4. I tako su te brzine teški overkill. Ali svejedno baš epic zajeb, RTFM.

Exiled budem pogledao za to. Prošetao sam cijelim BIOSom, ali ne sjećam se da sam to uočio. Ali ja sam tip koji nije uočio M2 slot s hladnjakom, pa eto, ne vjerujem više ničemu.

Evo, kaže RTFM kod treniranja da treperi, međutim kod mene samo stoje upaljene.

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Advanced -> AMD CBS -> DDR Options -> DDR Memory Features -> Memory Context Restore

Kod mene je slična situacija, tj. ništa ne treperi samo svijetli dok inicijalno ne odradi svoje i to je to, nakon toga mir, a uz uključen MCR samo preleti taj dio.
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OK, to mi je koristan data point, hvala. Iako čudno je da bi vađenje GPU + M2 rezultiralo u potrebi za ponovnim treniranjem memorije, pa nije to nogomet Možda se to dogodilo zbog toga što je komp bio ištekan jedno sat i pol.
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OK, to mi je koristan data point, hvala. Iako čudno je da bi vađenje GPU + M2 rezultiralo u potrebi za ponovnim treniranjem memorije, pa nije to nogomet Možda se to dogodilo zbog toga što je komp bio ištekan jedno sat i pol.
Pa da budeš siguran, ištekaj ga sada opet iz struje i probaj paliti.
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Staro 07.02.2025., 10:27   #5085
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I meni pc iznova trenira memoriju nakon gubitka struje. Zadnje sto pamtim, nije imao struje oko sat vremena i trenirao je. Svaki sljedeci boot iza toga odradi normalno.

Sreca da kolega koji ne cita manual nije ubacio ram-ove u "zabranjeni" channel 1. Pocetnicka sreca
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I kod svakog flasha biosa ide memory training
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Asrock B650M-HDV-M.2 mi potpuno odgovara osim što nema wlan (meni treba), nego se ekstra kupi 2230 kartica sa žicama za antenu. Da li se isplati više to ili uzeti neku drugu matičnu (u tom cjenovnom rangu) koja dolazi tvornički sa ugrađenim wlan-om?
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Za 30 eura nabavis odlicnu wifi karticu (nije wifi 7) sa antenama i zicama, sve je plug n play i vec spojeno. Uzeo nedavno dva seta za dva kompa, all good!

https://amzn.eu/d/aPcmtPD

Ja sam se zaj pa uzeo maticnu s mediatek wifi karticom, jad jadni... Umjesto da sam dodao 30-40 eura vise za sljedecu plocu s intel karticom i par ekstra featurea vise.
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Ne kompliciraj, uzmes usb wlan karticu i rokaj.
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Za 30 eura nabavis odlicnu wifi karticu (nije wifi 7) sa antenama i zicama, sve je plug n play i vec spojeno. Uzeo nedavno dva seta za dva kompa, all good!

https://amzn.eu/d/aPcmtPD

Ja sam se zaj pa uzeo maticnu s mediatek wifi karticom, jad jadni... Umjesto da sam dodao 30-40 eura vise za sljedecu plocu s intel karticom i par ekstra featurea vise.
Problem što ljudi iz Microsofta još tehnički nisu uveli drivere unutar ISO iako na webu microsoft katalogu. Imao sam MT 7921 i trenutno MT 7922. Stari driveri su bili problematični (iz ms catalog) i samo novi driveri riješeni dječje bolesti i uredno radi ( nema dropanje brzine, veće latencije)

Realtek, Intel i Qualcomm uredno prepoznaju odmah nakon instalacija Windowsa bez upotrebe LAN priključaka.

Najveći problem što Intelovi noviji modeli ( BE200) nakon AX210 nije kompatibilan sa AMD.
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RAM: 16GB Samsung DDR4-3200 + 32GB Crucial DDR4-3200
SSD: Kioxia/Toshiba XG6 512 GB NVMe M.2
Graphic: AMD Radeon
LCD: 14" Touch Matte IPS @ 1920 x 1080
OS: Windows 11 Pro 24H2

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Connected To A1 optical 1 Gbit



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RAM: 16GB soldered LPDDR4
SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 512 GB NVMe M.2
Graphic: AMD Radeon
LCD: 14" IPS @ 1920 x 1080
OS: Windows 11 Pro 24H2

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SSD: WD SN730 512 GB NVMe M.2
Graphic: AMD Radeon
LCD: 14" IPS @ 1920 x 1080
OS: Windows 11 Pro 24H2



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CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 6850
RAM: 16GB soldered LPDDR4
SSD: Micron 3400 1 TB NVMe M.2
Graphic: AMD Radeon 680M
LCD: 14" IPS @ 1920 x 1200
OS: Windows 11 Pro 24H2



Lenovo X1 Carbon 7th Gen

CPU: Intel Core i7-8665U
RAM: 16GB soldered LPDDR3
SSD: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 512 GB NVMe M.2
Graphic: Intel HD 620
LCD: 14" IPS @ 2560x1440
OS: Windows 11 Pro 24H2



Lenovo X1 Carbon 10th Gen

CPU: Intel Core i7-1260p
RAM: 16GB soldered LPDDR4
SSD: Sk Hynix 512 GB NVMe M.2
Graphic: Intel Iris Xe
LCD: 14" IPS @ 1920x1200
OS: Windows 11 Pro 23H2
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Staro 07.03.2025., 22:04   #5091
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Ma jok, ovo sto sam imao je bio MT7902. Jedva drzi 500Mbps naspram AX210 koja ladno radi na 1Gbps. Limitiran sam s gigabitnim portovima na access pointovima i nemam 6E pa... Da sam nasao AX200 bio bi mi i vise nego dovoljan.
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Staro 14.03.2025., 18:31   #5092
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Ne znam gdje bih pitao, pa ću tu, ali pitam čisto iz znatiželje.. koji bi bili neki razlozi prelaska na AM5 ako smo trenutno na AM4?

Vidim ljude kak prelaze na AM5 i onda stavljaju nekakav srednji procesor slabiji od pola procesora na AM4 i tipa 4060 grafu, kakvog to smisla ima, što dobivaju u odnosu na neku AM4 konfu slične jačine samo zato što su na AM5?

Meni jedino ima smisla da sam na AM4 i imam 5800X3D i eto želim/trebam jači proc.

Možda nešto propuštam pa me nemojte odmah razapet, kažem opet da pitam samo iz znatiželje.
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Staro 15.03.2025., 18:53   #5093
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@Mirkopoter

IMHO, samo su dva razloga:

1. ako računalom zarađuješ novac
2. ako baš trebaš USB4 i PCIe 5.0

Za ostale "poslove" uključujući igranje(osim ako nije kompetitivno), AM4 je sasvim dovoljan...
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Staro 17.03.2025., 13:26   #5094
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Pozdrav! Treba mi matična za Ryzen 7 7800X3D procesor. Budžet mi je nekih 250/300 eura. Sa vremenom ce ici i RX9070XT u komp, samo da se cijene malo unormale. I ici ce 2 x M.2 SSDa.
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IMHO MSI B650 i X670E Tomahawk Wi-Fi ili ASRock X670E Pro RS.
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A sta je sa Asrock B650E Taichi matičnom?
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Staro 17.03.2025., 20:40   #5097
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Ništ, jedino kaj košta 100€ više od X670E modela, a ne nudi ništa dodatno i posebno za 7800X3D.
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Čitao sam malo recenzije za ASRock X670E Pro RS matičnu, ne loša matična!
Zadnje izmijenjeno od: lateralus_eye. 18.03.2025. u 08:59.
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