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Staro 24.04.2018., 00:14   #121
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hahahaha baš me nasmijao ovaj članak. Naime, svi vi koji koristite non-stock cooler, očito ste izgubili garanciju na CPU (iako teško za dokazati ali opet)

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/you...ck-cooler.html


EDIT: Evo updatea s odgovorom AMD-a.

Update Tuesday 24th:
We got word back from AMD, and much of the staff is as surprised to find out what is written there. AMD mentioned that the FAQ and info distributed is old (5 years) and is being updated soon to clarify things.

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Staro 24.04.2018., 01:18   #122
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Staro 24.04.2018., 05:49   #124
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Nego kad se već spominju prime x470 pro i strix f-gaming x470...
u čemu je razlika? Meni se to čini isto s*ranje a drugo pakovanje.

EDIT: Kod UZIja i dalje vrijedi 5% popusta za članove?
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Staro 24.04.2018., 10:19   #126
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dobro koji K!?
Isto ko kartice koje "nisu za majnanje"

Your Ryzen processor warranty states you may only use the stock cooler
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Staro 24.04.2018., 10:22   #127
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Pa nek dokažu da nije korišten stock cooler
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Staro 24.04.2018., 10:37   #129
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Pa nek dokažu da nije korišten stock cooler
Neceju ni morat... ako im se sprdne dobit ces 1-4 pina na gornjoj povrsini cpu-a koji ce "kljucati" cooler i pantentirati to. Ili nesto slicno.

Ostali nece smjeti proizvest cooler koji bi bio kompaktibilan i amen...

Apsolutno nista njih ne sprecava da buduce linije cpu-a vezu uz svoj cooler i da totalno onemoguce koristenje drugih coolera, samo je otvoreno pitanje
koliko ce to utjecati na samu prodaju cpu-a ili nece... kad bude procjena da nece utjecati na prodaju eto novi feature.
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Dobro, ali da se i dogodi taj nerealni scenarij, koliko često rikavaju procesori? Koliko procova vam je riknilo u karijeri a da nije DOA? Misljenja sam da se i dogodi taj nerealni scenarij da bi vecina nas koja je koristila prije i dalje koristila aftermarket hladnjake.
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Ma to je bice ostatak starog disclamera.
Sta ako je netko kupio X model koji dolazi bez cooelra? Oce onda rec AMD da nisi koristio stock cooler kojeg nisi ni dobio. Panika oko nicega.
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Update:
To those interested: We got word back from AMD, and much of the staff is as surprised to find out what is written there. AMD mentioned that the FAQ and info distributed is old (5 years) and is being updated soon to clarify things.

A mislim, ni mi ne citamo user agreement, kaj bi tek oni. Font 5 radi svoje
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Neceju ni morat... ako im se sprdne dobit ces 1-4 pina na gornjoj povrsini cpu-a koji ce "kljucati" cooler i pantentirati to. Ili nesto slicno.

Ostali nece smjeti proizvest cooler koji bi bio kompaktibilan i amen...

Apsolutno nista njih ne sprecava da buduce linije cpu-a vezu uz svoj cooler i da totalno onemoguce koristenje drugih coolera, samo je otvoreno pitanje
koliko ce to utjecati na samu prodaju cpu-a ili nece... kad bude procjena da nece utjecati na prodaju eto novi feature.
pa ne radi se tu o intelu, ovo je amd tema
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Kad smo već kod stock coolera

Wraith Prism vs Wraith Spire vs Wraith Stealth Comparison

Zanimljivo wraith stealth nema isti ventilator kao prošlogodišnji stealth (imao jednu lopaticu više od spirea), sad ima isti broj lopatica
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A jel zan netko razliku izmedju ove dvije ploče što sam pitao...ako uopće ima ikakve razlike?
Prime Pro i Strix Gaming-F ?

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The X470-F STRIX and X470-PRO Prime are almost identical. You might notice that STRIX has more caps in the audio section. Apart from that the layout is almost mirrored for both boards

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A jel zan netko razliku izmedju ove dvije ploče što sam pitao...ako uopće ima ikakve razlike?
Prime Pro i Strix Gaming-F ?

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Strixica ima malo bolju kvalitetu.

"prime uses a lower grade cpu mosfet vrm controller/soc mosfet vrm controller the F uses the same one as crosshair/extreme for both."

"Other than audio and a few ROG features, the major difference is quality of components. Strix uses better MOSFETs (IR3555), caps & inductors than Prime."
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Ima li kakve promjene sa RAM-om?
Po nekim testovima su keksi ''optimizirani'' za zen radili slabije na zen+ i tako neke kerefeke.
Jesi ga uspio možda nafrljit 3400 ili više?
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Staro 25.04.2018., 18:32   #144
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Eto par usporednih testova na brzinu:

S jedne strane je R5 1600 @ 3,95 GHz / RAM 3200 14-14-14-34 1T, a sa druge strane R5 2600 @ 4,20 GHz / RAM 3466 14-15-15-30 1T.

RAM sam nabrzinu porihtao preko Ryzen DRAM Calculatora, za sada se ne ruši. U narednim danima probati ću naći neki sweetspot za 1,35V VCore i RAM na 3600 do 1,4V koji će mi biti gaming profil za stalno.

Pa da krenemo:

Cinebench 15 - Single Thread:



1600 - 163 vs 2600 - 176


Cinebench 15 - Multi Thread:



1600 - 1330 vs 2600 - 1444


CPU-Z Benchmark:




PassMark:




Blender:



1600 - 00:30:46 vs 2600 - 00:28:18


Superposition:




Aida64 Benchmark:




Eto, za sada toliko. Ono najbitnije je da je OCD 4GHz riješeno, a sve ostalo ćemo lako dalje

E da, temperature jesu nešto veće nego na 1600 pri ovom naponu od 1,395V i 4,2GHz, ali ništa zabrinjavajuće.

Ako ima još kakvih pitanja, recite.
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Fino.

Jesi probao ganjati 4.3ghz?
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Ne. I ne mislim. Ionako ide natrag na 4050 MHz sa što manje napona
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glavno pitanje je , da li imaš kao i neki recenzenti taj osjećaj za feeling da je procesor responzivniji, odazivniji, kako oni kažu "snappy" ?
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Ovako na prvu i da budem prost - isti kurac. Ovo su razlike koje sam primjetio u 3 sata koliko se družimo:

- R5 2600 postiže bez problema 4050 MHz sa 1,22V (100 passova u IBT-u Standard) za razliku od R5 1600 koji je sa istim Digi VRM+ postavkama došao do 3950 MHz sa 1,4V (da, jasno mi je, neki će reći jebeš 100 megaherca, ali za 0,18V napona, što je osjetno)

- R5 2600 se više grije na 1,4V od R5 1600, cca 7-10°C je topliji s time da je stavljena nova pasta i novi vent (možda je i zbog PWM venta budući je stara Noctua pičila 1300 rpm konstantno)

- R5 2600 puno puno bolje barata sa RAM-om (probao sam par minuta 3600 14-14-14-38 1T i tamo gdje je R5 1600 puknuo, ovaj odradio bez beda), tj. IMC je way way bolji i mislim da je to u biti najjača stvar koju ovaj proc sada ima, OK i 4GHz od šale

Podsjeća me na E8400 C0 i E8400 E0. Rekao bih isti procesor, samo ovaj je nešto bolji OC-er (+ bolji IMC).

Sistem radi isto, samo je sada puno puno tiši. Iako je Noctua tihi vent, sada kad stavim ventove kejsa na minimum, stroj se uopće ne čuje sad dok tipkam, imam filing ko da je ugašen. Stari je vozio na 1300 rpm, nije me smetao jer je radio tiho. Ovog uopće ne čujem u leru ni u igrama. To ću se morati priviknuti.

Realno, da bi sada prodavali R5 1600 i kupovali R5 2600 stvarno nema nikakvog smisla (osim ako nije ključ za ključ ili 100-tinjak kn nadoplate kao u mom slučaju). Ili ima smisla ako imate slične smetnje kao i ja

Tražiti maksimum dokle ide neću, barem ne tako skoro jer sve se više manje zna:
4050 MHz - 1,22V
4100 MHz - 1,30V
4150 MHz - 1,33V
4200 MHz - 1,39V

Znači 4300 MHz vjerojatno 1,45V što uopće me ne zanima.

Što se RAMA tiče, kad izađe AGESA 1.0.0.3, svakako ću se još time pozabaviti malo, što kalkulatorom, što opservacijama na OCN forumu gdje ekipa gazi B-Die RAM u paru za 2700X.

I za kraj, smisla u 2600X stvarno ne vidim. Očito je mit bio da su X procesori binnani. Binnani će biti samo Threadripperi novi, ovo je očito bila metoda "palac puta oko".

Idem malo pucati po Montani da vidim kako se dečec ponaša
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Lako cinebanchat, da vidimo far cry :P
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I mislio sam da je isti kuki. Ti tajminzi su podigli performanse, ali taj osjećaj kojeg spominju može biti placebo ili tko zna zbog čega.

Smisla X i a. Nema tebi ili meni kojima nije bad po potrebi OCati i imamo već dobar cooler.

Ali generalno , već smo komentirali, ovoga puta je amd pametno ponudio bolji cooler uz X modele, i poboljšao xfr, i smanjio razliku u cijeni, tako da sad kako kome, ali imaju kupce oba modela
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