ARM - Stranica 3

Pupo · 03.12.2022., 18:28

To baš i nije tako, osim ako pod brzo misliš na godine (što zaista je brzo u tom kontekstu). Za sve što je ispod 8nm(il neki druge sitne vrijenosti, ne sjećam se) trebaju ASML tj. Leica strojevi. Ne postoji drugi dobavljač.

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Ameri pokazuju tko je glavni, imat će najnapredniji proces na planetu na svom tlu. Europa naravno gleda i glumi gljivu.

Budemo uveli embargo na izvoz strojeva i to je to

Exy · 03.12.2022., 18:32

Ameri pokazuju tko je glavni, imat će najnapredniji proces na planetu na svom tlu. Europa naravno gleda i glumi gljivu.

The Exiled · 03.12.2022., 18:32

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To baš i nije tako, osim ako pod brzo misliš na godine (što zaista je brzo u tom kontekstu). Za sve što je ispod 8nm(il neki druge sitne vrijenosti, ne sjećam se) trebaju ASML tj. Leica strojevi. Ne postoji drugi dobavljač.

Svi trebaju ASML, nema druge, ono kaj hoću reći da TSMC sve kaj najavi sprovode u realnost, jer taj 5nm FAB u Arizoni bude izbacival wafere, prije, nego Intel uopće krene s postavljanjem opreme u svoje fabrike, a u međuvremenu TSMC već složi 3nm koji ide sad usporedno s ovim 5nm koji se već priprema za proizvodnju. Znam da za to trebaju godine, tak jasno, samo velim da su već prošle te godine i TSMC je svoje najave ostvaril i općenito ih ostvaruje, dok Intel i dalje čeka da ih netko sprovede na pravi put ili da konkurencija jednostavno nestane prek noći.

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Ameri pokazuju tko je glavni, imat će najnapredniji proces na planetu na svom tlu. Europa naravno gleda i glumi gljivu.

Da, pa samo Apple, AMD i nVidia (bome i Intel u zadnje vrijeme) tuku gadne pare za TSMC, a sve redom domaće američke firme, tak da imaju itekakav interes.

Pupo · 03.12.2022., 18:40

Da li postoji u EU tvornica wafera uopće, a da bas nisu iz devesprve?

The Exiled · 03.12.2022., 18:42

Ima Intel svoje u Irskoj i GloFo u Dresdenu, ali i EU sad po uzoru na USA želi svoj CHIPS Act, pa da se sve više toga na modernim proizvodnim procesima slaže diljem Europe.

The Exiled · 12.04.2023., 21:46

Intel Foundry and ARM to collaborate on 1.8nm mobile SoCs

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Arm and Intel Foundry Services on Wednesday announced plans to conduct design technology co-optimization (DTCO) and system technology co-optimization (STCO) for Arm's mobile IP on the Intel 18A fabrication technology (1.8nm-class). The plan will enable clients of Arm and IFS to maximize performance, lower power consumption, and optimize die sizes of their upcoming SoCs involving Arm's IP. Under the agreement, Intel Foundry Services and Arm will co-optimize Arm's IP and Intel's 18A fabrication process to increase the performance, power, area, and cost advantages of the new node. The two companies will initially focus on mobile SoC designs, but may eventually expand their collaboration to automotive, aerospace, datacenter, Internet of Things, and government applications. As part of the pact, Arm and IFS will develop reference design and optimized process developers kits for mobile SoCs.

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The deal won’t see Intel’s Foundry Services division produce chipsets for ARM. Instead, it will make it easier for ARM licensees, including the likes of Qualcomm and MediaTek, to hire Intel to make chips in the future.

When it comes to Intel's 18A fabrication process, there are a lot of things that can be optimized on node and design level to extract more PPAC advantages out of the node. One of the key innovations of Intel 18A is usage of gate-all-around (GAA) transistors that Intel calls RibbonFET. In GAA transistors, the channels are horizontally oriented and completely enclosed by gates. These GAA channels are created through epitaxy and selective material removal, enabling designers to fine-tune them by altering the transistor channels' width to get higher performance or lower power consumption. If everything works well, such control allows them to reduce transistor leakage current and performance variability — this provides great opportunities for DTCO.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

The Exiled · 24.10.2023., 13:54

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nVidia and AMD are planning Arm-based CPUs for consumer PCs: Intel's shares tumbled following the news

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Forward-looking: An Arm revolution could be coming to the PC as soon as 2025. According to a new report, nVidia is planning to launch CPUs based on the architecture designed specifically to run Windows, while AMD also plans to go down the same route. It's concerning news for Intel, which saw its share price fall 5% on the back of the claims. Reuters' unnamed sources say that Nvidia, which already dominates the AI, HPC, and consumer graphics card industries, is expanding its portfolio to include Arm-based processors for client Windows PCs. AMD is also planning to make PC processors based on Arm's designs.

The report says that Microsoft is encouraging others to enter the Arm-based systems market once the current exclusivity deal it has with Qualcomm ends next year. In 2016, Microsoft chose the company to bring the full Windows experience to Arm-powered devices. "Microsoft learned from the 90s that they do not want to be dependent on Intel again, they do not want to be dependent on a single vendor," Jay Goldberg, chief executive of D2D Advisory, told Reuters. "If Arm really took off in PC (chips), they were never going to let Qualcomm be the sole supplier."

nVidia has plenty of experience with Arm-based processors. Its product stack includes the Grace-Hopper and Grace CPU Super Chips. There's also its Tegra SoC that powered tablets and phones and is still found in the Nintendo Switch and nVidia Shield. An early version of the Tegra was also used in Microsoft's first Surface tablet, the Surface RT, but the device never gained many fans and was discontinued a year later. AMD, meanwhile, uses Arm cores in products such as its Versal FPGAs. The company was even rumored to be working on an Arm-based Apple M1 rival back in 2020.

Izvor: TechSpot

Sinac · 25.10.2023., 20:10

Ako će Nvidia upariti svoj GPU i AI dio s ARM jezgrom, mislim da će i AMD i Intel i Apple imati poštenog konkurenta.

Mario92 · 26.10.2023., 09:13

S obzirom kaj je Qualcomm najavil sa Elite X procevima, moglo bi biti prilično čupavo na tržištu u sljedećih godinu-dve.

Ak je istina kaj su najavili, ja ne vidim kak bu x86 preživel u laptopu u sljedećih 5 godina

BinaryJesus · 26.10.2023., 12:15

Ak ne slože x86 virtualizaciju nitko to neće kupovati.

03.12.2022., 18:40	#64
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03.12.2022., 18:32	#62
Exy Premium Moj komp Datum registracije: Sep 2006 Lokacija: Zagreb, Črnomerec Postovi: 1,982	Ameri pokazuju tko je glavni, imat će najnapredniji proces na planetu na svom tlu. Europa naravno gleda i glumi gljivu.

25.10.2023., 20:10	#68
Sinac ...samo te gledam... Moj komp Datum registracije: Mar 2007 Lokacija: Zagreb Postovi: 2,746	Ako će Nvidia upariti svoj GPU i AI dio s ARM jezgrom, mislim da će i AMD i Intel i Apple imati poštenog konkurenta.

26.10.2023., 12:15	#70
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