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Staro 04.12.2008., 17:07   #481
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Kaj se nisi javil prije za moju staru 590 SLI koja nije htjela delat sa Phenom procom?
A trebalo je samo nadogradit BIOS, šatro...

Ili tak bezrezervno vjeruješ AMD-u?
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590 SLi je bila tak-tak, a ova DFI je ipak koje koplje ispred. Mislim nije da mi treba, ali čemu da si delate brigu oko nadogradnje. Sad za ozbiljno, kaj se tiče AM3 procesora, nema druge nego da pričekamo i vidimo kaj bude iz svega toga. Makar sumnjam da bi lagali oko podrške na sadašnjim pločama kad im RD890 čipset i AM3 ploče izlaze tek debelom sredinom i laganim krajem godine, a do onda budu imali masu novih AM3 procesora na tržištu. Osim toga ima već jedan tip na XSu, Phenom II 940 Black Edition na Foxconn 790GX ploči i čudo se prema njegovim riječima clocka ko da nema sutra. Tak da ne bi bilo ništ čudno da i AM3 prodela kak spada.
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590 SLi je bila tak-tak
Uf, ta Foxconnica je bila izvrsna ploča, istinabog da je imala Endivia chipset ali...

Zna li se kaj novo o cijenama Phenom II proceva?
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Staro 04.12.2008., 22:05   #484
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Ma znam da je bila dobra, pa nekaj sam moral napisati. Kaj se tiče cijena novih Phenoma, oko 200 funti traže Britanci (ko zna možda s tim idu Sugababes i Sophie Ellis-Bextor kompilacije) za ovo čudo od 940 modela, a sukladno tome su slične cijene u ostatku svijeta. Sve u svemu još uvijek jeftinije od Nehalema.
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Ah, čini mi se da bum ipak ubol neki rabljeni X3 ili X4 dok se to malo ne stabilizira, nema šanse da bi stari Đu pljunul dva soma za proc
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Staro 04.12.2008., 23:29   #486
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Koliko sam vidio, u Italiji su stavili da 940-tka dođe ~300€.
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sredina prosinca.
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Dolaze Kumice s placa (K10 Athloni X2, bye-bye K8)
Trenutno najavljene:
7750 Black Edition 2,7 GHz
7550 2,5 GHz
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Karakteristike svih njih:
65nm, 95W TDP, 1MB L2 cachea, 2 MB L3 cachea
Sve idu u AM2+ ploče

Cijena za 7750 Black Edition je 86€ trenutno u Italiji.
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Od toga posta se promijenilo:
-datum dostupnosti
-dodan još jedan slabiji model
-dodane točne frekvencije za svaki model
-točna nabavna cijena za najjači model

Pa, ako sam stvarno napravio krivu stvar trošeći si vrijeme i pišući taj post, moje isprike.

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Zapravo većina toga se zna još od sredine destog mjeseca, a Fudzilla je dodala još jedan model i cijene.
Osim toga svi mogući portali navode Fudzillu kao glavni izvor, a oni nisu jedamput pisali i reciklirali samo njima jasne vijesti.
Stvar je u tome da, ako se već posta onda nek bude kolko-tolko pouzdano.
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Koliko sam vidio, u Italiji su stavili da 940-tka dođe ~300€.
Ufff

Skupo, al' još uvijek jeftinije od Nehalema.
I naravno, to su cijene prije samog dolaska procesora, da se što više ljudi ulovi da naruče proc na temelju raznih OC SS-ova s interneta

Mislim da će cijene još pasti nakon što se pojave u prodaji. Pretpostavljam da će cijena kod nas u dolasku biti u rangu Core i7 920 (cca 2.500,00 kn) ili možda još malo manja, a kasnije oko 2.000,00 kn.

Inače sve više informacija na webu (uglavnom XS) potvrđuje OC mogućnosti Phenoma II 940. Izgleda da je sa zračnim hlađenjem normalno postići 3.6 - 3.8 GHz, s kvalitetnijim hlađenjem povuče i debelo preko 4 GHz. Navodno su se testirali i neki retail primjerci. Poštenog reviewa i testova još uvijek nema.
No to je flagship, s otključanim množiteljem. Treba vidjeti kako će ići sirotinjska ergela kad se pojavi
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Staro 09.12.2008., 14:19   #492
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Evo momci malo tračeva o novom Phenomu II. Onako, par postova što sam uspio uhvatiti. Naravno, sve uzmite sa rezervom jer se radi o informacijama koje idu usmenom predajom (jer NDA je još uvijek aktivan).

Malo o Preview-u Dragon platforme o kojoj je fordam gore pisao:
Team Finland Phenom II @ 6+Ghz (ekstremno hlađenje)

Ono što je najvažnije:
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- All the Phenom II X4 CPUs me and SF3D tested had no cold bug at all
- All the chips we tested could do +6,1 GHz CPU-Z
- We tested with AMD's 790GX reference board and Gigabyte's retail 790GX
- Both mobos worked fine under cold, +6 GHz and +1,95V vcore
- Vcore ~1,95V was optimal for +6 GHz clocks
- 3DMark05 & 06 CPU-tests were ok @ 6 GHz
- We were able to run Crysis @ 6,1 GHz (2 loops CPU-test)
- Max CPU-Z screenshot and validation we got with 4 cores was 6280 MHz (no dirty tricks)
- With air cooling (Cooler Master Z600) highest we got Crysis stable was @ 4,13 GHz (1,58 V)
Uglavnom, imali su jako malo vremena za zračno hlađenje (pola sata za isprobat 5 proceva) tako da se taj dio uzima sa rezervom. Vjerojatno su napucali napon koliko ide pa šta bude-bude. Testovi su bili na 1.9+V za tekuži dušik. Matične su bile dvije, od AMD-a neka referentna sa Vcore volt modom te Gigabyte-ova matična sa SB750 (nisam siguran jel FX790 ili GX790, ali SB750 je bio). Druga stvar je što svi spominju da SB750, odnosno ACC ne radi/pomaže kod OC-a Phenoma II. Jel zbog BIOS-a ili samog CPU-a, pojma nemam.

Drugo, NDA zabranjuje postanje rezultata, no čisto da se dobije neka predodžba koliki napon će trebati za koje frekvencije:
some first AMD Deneb teasers on Foxconn A79A-S 790FX

Kome se neda gledati, rezultati su otprilike ovakvi (stabilnost je upitna, opet uzmite sve sa rezervom), no ovo su i ES primjerci procesora (retail bi trebali biti isti ili bolji); zračno hlađenje mislim:
Defolt je 3000Mhz i 1.35V
Undervolta - 3300Mhz i 1.32V
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OC 2 - 4000Mhz sa 1.5V (SuperPi od 1M je provrtio i sa 1.44V ako nekome to nešta znači).

I zadnje, oni koji su bili na tom Dragon eventu, par zanimljivih izjava:
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Chew and I both spent some time overclocking a couple of Phenom II systems using overdrive and I have to say I was fairly impressed. One system we had did 3.7 with less than 1.5v on stock cooler...and as he said, temps were very low (around 45c under load).
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One such story was about the discovery that the cold bug had been abolished by one of their lab engineers. The excitement and relief were both palpable in Matt's tone when he described the moment when he first heard this; again illustrating the serious effort AMD had been putting into Phenom II to improve it from it's successor.
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Lastly, it's important to mention that in the Core i7 965 system vs Phenom II 940 BE Crysis comparison, I was able to verify that both systems were running the exact same graphical settings, with the same cards. Phenom II had 4GB of ram, dual channel while the Core i7 had 3GB in triple channel on an X58 Intel reference board. The Phenom II had higher frame rates throughout the majority of the gameplay.
Bilo kako bilo, nešta od ovoga mora biti istinito . Enyoj.
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Pa core i7 quad nije nista brzi, dapače je sporiji u igricama od ovih na visim rezolucijama od core 2 quad, a phenom II ce biti jednako brz ili malo brži od core 2 quad. Kad se sve uzme u obzir amd ce biti jednako dobar izbor za gaming comp kao intel, pa cak i isplativiji od intela.Oni kojima treba puno threadova uzet ce naravno core i7 quad...=1-5% njih. Jedino se bojim da bi dual core i7 ,koji bi zbog hyperthreding-a(imao bi 4 logicke ,ali 2 fizicke jezgre) bio bolji izbor od phenom II i vjerovatno jeftiniji i overclockabilniji, ali zato treba kupiti novu maticnu i ddr3 ram ,pa ostajem pri phenom II x4 925(ili 910 ak nebude preskup za moj džep).
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Potvrđeni detalji oko AMD 880G chipseta

AMD AM3 processors (Athlon X4, Phenom II X3, Phenom II X4) will get a new 55nm chipset by Q3 next year. AMD 880G chipset will form part of the AMD Live! "Pisces" platform. AMD 880G will feature a integrated Radeon HD 3450 (RV620) DX10.1 graphics core, DDR3 support, HyperTransport 3.0, Universal Video Decoder 2 (UVD 2), Hybrid Crossfire with a discrete Radeon HD 3450 graphics core through a PCIe 2.0 x16 slot, Display Port/HDMI/DVI/SurroundView support. AMD 880G will be paired up with SB710 Southbridge offering 12 USB ports and 6 SATA ports. AMD is also touting much on their new OverDrive 3.0 that support AM3 platforms featuring Smart Control that boost clocks on demand, Application Specific Profiles that optimise system settings upon application detection and Hardware Monitoring support with fan control.
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Jedino se bojim da bi dual core i7 ,koji bi zbog hyperthreding-a(imao bi 4 logicke ,ali 2 fizicke jezgre) bio bolji izbor od phenom II i vjerovatno jeftiniji i overclockabilniji, ali zato treba kupiti novu maticnu i ddr3 ram ,pa ostajem pri phenom II x4 925(ili 910 ak nebude preskup za moj džep)
Uzalud se "bojiš" jer ti procesori (Havendale i Auburndale) budu imali integriranu grafičku karticu i namijenjeni budu (prvi) za uredske desktop i (drugi) mobilne konfiguracije. Još k tome stižu krajem sljedeće i početkom 2010. godine. Tak da kak je i bilo rečeno Core i5 i svi ostali mogući derivati ne budu jedno dulje vrijeme na tržištu. Najprije se bude isforsiral Core i7, a tak onda (debelim krajem sljedeće godine) stiže ostalo.

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Athlon 7750 i 7550 X2 procesori

The Athlon X2 7750 is pretty much the same price as the Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 at the time of writing, but its performance is mostly better overall. Considering we have recommended the Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 for the last few months on the trot in our buyers guide, we'd have to conclude the 7750 is also a very good processor that should give this a run for its money. It actually feels good to write something positive for AMD after such a time of Conroe domination, because for a small part it's great to have some serious competition again. In a clock for clock comparison, the 2.5GHz 7550 actually comes out ahead of the Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 in many of our tests as well, although not all - in all our games tests with both graphics cards, the new Kuma processors came out consistently on top which is unusual territory for AMD K10 CPUs. What the new Kumas do achieve is basically making the more expensive triple-core processors redundant.
For enthusiasts, AMD has finally done the best it can with its 65nm K10 core although we have to say it's too little too late as a K10 dual core would have been competitive 12 months ago. Even then though, the lack of overclocking headroom and higher power consumption would still turn today's cost concious power users towards Intel's 45nm alternatives. While the Athlon X2 7700 series CPUs may not twist the nipples of our readers quite so much, for the general public who just want a cheap upgrade with great, well rounded performance, they're a decent heart to a great platform when combined with a 780G board and an ATi Radeon HD 4800 graphics card. What's more, the new Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition and 7550 CPUs appear to offer better price to performance over Intel's competitive offerings and they're certainly worth buying over the older K8 Athlon X2s.
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    • AMD Athlon X2 7550 - 2.5GHz, 200x12.5
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  • Current Core Stepping: B3
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  • Voltage Range: 1.2-1.25 Volts
  • Transistors: ~450 million
  • Die Size: 285mm²
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ugodno iznenađenje. ali nije baš ono. u Driverheavenu testiraju protiv celerona E1400 i to jadno ( zbog cijene usporedbe ) btw. zanimljivo da E1400 dobro drži u Photoshopu nego kod oba AMD.
bit-tech testira kumu na večem taktu memorije 1066mhz nego na intela 800mhz. hexus tu negdje realan. nije vrijeme za slavlje. ali mi korisnici možemo profitirati jer cijene još može pasti u oba tabora
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Jeli ja to dobro vidim? CPU-Z pokazuje 1,440V na default-u
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Defoult je 1.35V.
Do 1.55V se moze ici s boljim (air) hladjenjem.
Nista bitno drugacije od X3 i X4 Phenoma.
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ECS A790GXM-AD3 Black Series AM3 ploča

Elitegroup Computer Systems (ECS), the world’s leading motherboard, graphics card, barebone system and notebook manufacturer, today releases the A790GXM-AD3 Black Series motherboard disclosing the extraordinary gaming performance of AMD’s latest Dragon platform. Supporting the latest AMD Phenom II processors, ATi CrossFireX technology, and the dual channel DDR3 memory architecture. The A790GXM-AD3 Black Series motherboard incorporates the support for the latest 45nm AMD Phenom II processors to deliver the next generation computing capabilities. In addition, ECS A790GXM-AD3 comes with the feature of dual channel memory architecture that supports DDR3 1333MHz memory up to the capacity of 32GB which is capable to provide faster data throughput for memory-intensive applications. To meet hardcore overclockers’ requirements, the latest exclusive BIOS utility, M.I.B. II, is included to provide various detailed tweaking options.
Paired with AMD SB750 south bridge controller supporting the function of ACC (Advanced Clock Calibration), ECS A790GXM-AD3 allows users to push the overall system performance to another higher scale. As the key factors that eventually decide the stability while overclocking, the 5 phase power design with unique cooling system leads users to reach the limit without suffering any issues of overheating. Leveraging the power of ATi Radeon HD3300 integrated graphics core which fully supports DirectX 10.0, ECS A790GXM-AD3 allows gamers to enjoy the gaming pleasure even without any add-on graphics cards. For extreme gamers that are always pursuing the best gaming experience, the dual x16 PCI Express 2.0 expansion slots supporting ATi CrossFireX technology.
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Staro 24.12.2008., 19:28   #502
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http://www.nabava.net/trazilica.php?q=amd+7750&x=0&y=0

AMD 7750 BE se pojavio na našem tržištu.
Cijena i nije tako loša, najjeftiniji je 625 kn...

Ja si ga uzimam za par dana :-)
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Staro 24.12.2008., 19:43   #503
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Pušiona od prockasa što se mene tiče, i dalje čekam Propus X4 koji će na proljeće koštat iste pare, a ići ko gluha svinja
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Pa, i nije tako loš...
Na istom taktu kao Brisbane je bolji u prosjeku u svemu 15%, a i sa boljim coolerom i na nekih 1.45V ide stabilno na 3.3 GHz
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Danas sam probao 7750 Kumu, poigrao sam se s njim cca dva sata i nije loš proc ali s obzirom koliko košta ne vrijedi upgrade tih novaca ako se već ima neki X2 Athlon... Realno je u performansama na 3.1 u prednosti od 3.1 Brisbanea nekih 200-300mhz a skuplji je cca 100kn... Ako se ide na upgrade iz jednojezgrenih procova u dvojezgrene onda bi ja ipak dao tih 100kn više, bar zbog L3 cashea i boljeg memorijskog kontrolera... Za bolji clock ipak treba pričekati Deneba...
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Jel ima to čudo otkljucan množitelj? Koliko ja vidim u imenu nepise Black Edition, a na internetu su samo pricali o otkljucanom množitelju kod x2 7750...
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Ima otključan množitelj, ne piše da je BE ali je pakiranje klasični crni BE box
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ASRock M3A790GXH/128M AM3 ploča

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  • Support for Socket AM3 / AM2+ / AM2 processors: AMD PhenomTM FX / Phenom / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core / Athlon X2 Dual-Core / Athlon 64 / Sempron processor
  • AMD 790GX + SB750 Chipsets
  • ASRock DuraCap (2.5 x longer life time), 100% Japan-made high-quality Conductive Polymer Capacitors
  • Supports CPU up to 140W, FSB 2600 MHz (5.2 GT/s)
  • Supports Hyper-Transport 3.0 (HT 3.0) Technology
  • Supports AMD OverDrive™ with ACC feature (Advanced Clock Calibration)
  • Supports Dual Channel DDR3 1333/1066/800 (4 x DIMM slots), Max. capacity up to 16GB
  • Integrated AMD Radeon HD 3300 graphics, DX10 class iGPU, Pixel Shader 4.0, Max. shared memory 512MB
  • Supports ATi CrossFireX, Hybrid CrossFireX and 3-Way CrossFireX
  • Integrated 128MB side port memory for iGPU
  • 3 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (green @ x16 mode, blue @ x8 mode, orange @ x4 mode)
  • Three VGA Output options: D-Sub, DVI-D and HDMI
  • Supports Full HD 1080p Blu-ray (BD) / HD-DVD playback
  • 6 x SATAII 3.0 Gb/s connectors, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1,RAID 5, RAID 10 and JBOD), NCQ, AHCI and "Hot Plug" functions
  • 1 x eSATAII 3.0 Gb/s connector, PCIE Gigabit LAN 10/100/1000 Mb/s
  • Supports 2 x IEEE1394 ports (one port on back panel, one header on board)
  • Supports ASRock Instant Boot, Smart BIOS, ASRock OC Tuner, Intelligent Energy Saver
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Cek, cek, ja nesto nerazumijem.
Ploca je AM3 i ima DDR3 podrsku, a prima AM2 i AM2+, nije li tu nesto cudno?
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Staro 29.12.2008., 23:13   #510
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Krivo piše, samo AM3 ide gore. Ovo ostalo su valjda samo skopirali kak im stoji i za ostale AM2+ ploče.

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