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Staro 10.01.2019., 22:19   #5191
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Vidjelo se da je Lisa vidno uzbuđena pri predstavljanju Ryzena 3XXX.

Meni je taj dio najveće iznenađenje, iste performanse kao Intel s 30% manjom potrošnjom. I to s istim brojem jezgri na inženjerskom primjerku

1700 = ~1415
2700X = ~1754
Matisse = ~2023

To je 43% povećanje u dvije generacije. Kada ste to dobili od Intela na istom core countu, mislim da je zadnji takav pomak bio sa Sandy Bridgeom...

Razvalit će ih AMD na desktopu dok ne dođe Ice Lake, a to neće prije 2020.
2700x na 4.35-4.4GHz radi mrvu iznad 2000 bodova.
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Staro 11.01.2019., 13:45   #5192
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Ovo su stock rezultati, nije uzet u obzir OC. Doduše pitanje je u kojem je stanju Zen2, ali sigurno nisu pokazali rezultate lošije nego kad ga releasaju.

Nisam siguran koliko uopće 2700X može postići all core na 4.4 GHz, rekao bi da su to golden sampleovi sa visokom voltažom.
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Staro 11.01.2019., 14:02   #5193
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Ovo su stock rezultati, nije uzet u obzir OC. Doduše pitanje je u kojem je stanju Zen2, ali sigurno nisu pokazali rezultate lošije nego kad ga releasaju.

Nisam siguran koliko uopće 2700X može postići all core na 4.4 GHz, rekao bi da su to golden sampleovi sa visokom voltažom.
Na OCN forumu rijetko koji nije nasviran na 4.3-4.4 all core ali to je ekipa koja ima debelo veći OCD od mene. Oni stvarno moraju imati zadnji Hz iscjeđen za 24/7.

Ako je točno ono što je pričao škot, ovo bi bio R5 3600X u pitanju. Defaultne postavke + XFR enabled možda.

A ako ćemo gledati iste takve testove "inženjerskih samplova" kod Zena i Zena+, nije baš da su taktovi nešto bili puno veći na finalnom proizvodu, možda 150 MHz više.

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Staro 11.01.2019., 14:13   #5194
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AMD backend orders for new 7nm chips split between 3 firms
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AMD has unveiled recently its 7nm CPU and GPU lineup designed for high-performance PCs, gaming and data center applications. The new processor series are all reportedly being fabricated by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC). TSMC is also among the backend partners of AMD for its new 7nm computing and graphics products. Siliconware Precision Industries (SPIL) under Taiwan's ASE Technology Holding, and China-based Tongfu Microelectronics (TFME) are other backend service providers for the chips.

TSMC with its CoWoS (chip-on-wafer-on-substrate) packaging has grabbed orders for AMD's 7nm datacenter CPU, while SPIL and TFME share the flip-chip packaging orders placed by AMD for its new 7nm CPU and GPU designed for desktops and notebooks. TFME (formerly Nantong Fujitsu Microelectronics) through its acquisition of an 85% stake in AMD's Penang, Malaysia and Suzhou, China ATMP (assembly, test, mark, and pack) facilities has allowed the China-based company to win part of the orders for AMD's new 7nm processors.
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Nisam siguran koliko uopće 2700X može postići all core na 4.4 GHz, rekao bi da su to golden sampleovi sa visokom voltažom.
Ma može svaki i 5ghz, ali pod L2N. Nije bitno kako je postignuto, uzme se čisto za usporedbu...

Uglavnom ne vjerujem da je zen 2 ovaj score nabio sa nekim bjesnim clockom preko 4ghz nego većinom IPC
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Staro 11.01.2019., 15:05   #5196
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Poanta je da je demo na CES-u bio s Noctua NH-D15 zračnim coolerom, što je zapravo išlo u prilog Intelu jer AMD troši 30% manje snage, što znači da se i manje zagrijava.

Uglavnom, čini mi se da su konačno pobijedili intel u IPC-u, i to dosta jer se po nekim izračunima Ryzen 3XXX vrtio između 4.1-4.2 Ghz na demou, a Intel je bio na 4.7 GHz all-core.
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Staro 11.01.2019., 15:28   #5197
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Treba uračunuati i da je SMT dosta bolji od intelovog, konkretno u cinebenchu nekih 27% bolji...



Druge namjene van renderinga i sl. stvari nemaju tolike koristi od SMT-a tj. ne iskorištavaju ga baš full kao cinebench pa će i razlika biti manja
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Staro 11.01.2019., 15:44   #5198
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Hmmm, a gdje je GloFo u cijeloj priči?
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Staro 11.01.2019., 15:59   #5199
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Ništa od toga, GloFo se već prije povukel iz 7nm. Imaš u ovoj temi nekolicinu postova o tome. Uglavnom, njihovih 7nm nije išlo po planu, pa su ga kompletno obustavili.
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Staro 11.01.2019., 15:59   #5200
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GloFlo vjerovatno radi IO die, posto GloFlo nema 7nm node.
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Da, 14nm I/O ide kod GloFo radi prijašnjih dogovora i ugovora, ali sa 7nm nemaju posla.
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Staro 11.01.2019., 16:07   #5202
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Treba uračunuati i da je SMT dosta bolji od intelovog, konkretno u cinebenchu nekih 27% bolji...



Druge namjene van renderinga i sl. stvari nemaju tolike koristi od SMT-a tj. ne iskorištavaju ga baš full kao cinebench pa će i razlika biti manja
Pa dobro, da bude kojim slučajem i isti ili 5% slabiji, pa 50+% bude jeftiniji i ohoho efikasniji.
Šta to nije nego bolji procesor ? Jasno je da će se neki u slučaju 5% zaostatka vaditi na onaj 179.frame u igrama na 240Hz monitoru, ali to ionako nema veze za 99% korisnika procesora.

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Staro 11.01.2019., 16:12   #5203
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Pa da. Kako god, bio on brži ili 3% sproriji u 240hz 1080p gamingu - zen2 je 100% sigurno win. Sigurno će biti primjetno jeftiniji, hladniji i efikasniji, nadogradiviji...i9 9900K će biti neinteresantan. Mislim ono i sad je po ovakvim cijenama i zahtjevima (mbo, jak cooler).

Što se tiče ovog cinebencha - fali nam 1 varijabla, bez clocka ne možemo ništa. CB score imamo, za intela znamo clock (nije u onom 95w modu, score je normalan za stock), utjecaj SMT-a na score bi se izračunao... IPC je sigurno bolji (barem u cinebenchu), to sam 99% siguran, samo je pitanje tog clocka...

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**Rumor**. The demoed 7nm Ryzen was a Ryzen 5 qualification sample: 8C/16T 65W at 3.7GHz base clock and 4.5GHz boost
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**Rumor**. The demoed 7nm Ryzen was a Ryzen 5 qualification sample: 8C/16T 65W at 3.7GHz base clock and 4.5GHz boost
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DDR4-2666 RAM su koristili, tako da tu jos ima prostora za visi score s brzim RAM-om. AMD je toliko uvjeren u Zen 2 da nisu ni u cem pokusali uskratiti performanse Intelu. Kad dodju retail verzije, bude jos 100-200 MHz veci clock, mozda jos ispeglaju BIOS-e i s brzim RAM-om bit ce Zen 2 win i na 1080p .
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**Rumor**. The demoed 7nm Ryzen was a Ryzen 5 qualification sample: 8C/16T 65W at 3.7GHz base clock and 4.5GHz boost
Zvuci mi predobro da bi bilo istinito, a s druge strane sasvim moguce ...

Uglavnom ako ispadne tako da jedan R5 3xxx konkurira i9-tki, AMD je a Intel
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Po svemu sudeći, taj 7nm Zen 2 Ryzen kojeg Gigi spominje i koji je korišten na CES-u bi zapravo ispal onaj R5 3600 iz Škotovih materijala. 8C/16T 65W mainstream procesor - bome nije loše.
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Software i windowsi bi mogli gimpati perf za ryzene koji imaju 2 chipleta jezgara
Jesu i sa Ryzenom na početku pa na se za par mjeseci ispoliralo.

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Bude Wendell i to popravil, ali potencijalni nedostatak iGPU chipleta je već malo tužnija vijest.
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Bude Wendell i to popravil, ali potencijalni nedostatak iGPU chipleta je već malo tužnija vijest.
I tdp od 105W, izgleda je skota netko dobro iskoristil
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AMD "Gonzalo" Zen 2 chip with Navi GPU rumored for next-gen Xbox and PS5
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According to analysis from both APISAK and ComputerBase, it's expected that the APU will feature an 8-core Zen 2 CPU with a base clock of 1.6GHz and a boost clock of 3.2GHz.

More importantly, this CPU will be paired with a 7nm Navi GPU, which is AMD's next-generation graphics architecture. More specifically, the GPU is being called Navi 10 Lite.
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Tesko da ce u konzolama CPU imati base i boost clock. Bit ce to fixni clock za CPU i GPU, moguce da ce to biti 3,2 GHz za CPU i 1,6 GHz za GPU.
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Koje će to biti beštije (za konzolu)
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I onda ako će PS5 imati Zen2 cpu u sebi, AMD se stvarno ne treba boriti sa nVidiom u high end segmentu jer PS5 se bude bolje prodavao od nVidia flagship kartica
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