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Staro 15.03.2024., 23:54   #1
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zaprimili smo subpoenu od US odvjetnickog ureda radi oduzimanja naseg prava na svicarsku domenu, obzirom da se odvjetnickom uredu javio klijent koji ima registriran trademark istog naziva u US, Delaware. domenu smo registrirali godinu dana prije nego je registriran trademark, i ne radi se o popularnom nazivu. domena je registrirana 2017 godine.

koje su nam opcije?

molim da komentiraju samo oni koji znaju nesto o temi, hvala.

edit: prebacite u odgovarajucu kategoriju, krivo sam nesto napravio.

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zaprimili smo subpoenu od US odvjetnickog ureda radi oduzimanja naseg prava na svicarsku domenu, obzirom da se odvjetnickom uredu javio klijent koji ima registriran trademark istog naziva u US, Delaware. domenu smo registrirali godinu dana prije nego je registriran trademark, i ne radi se o popularnom nazivu. domena je registrirana 2017 godine.

koje su nam opcije?

molim da komentiraju samo oni koji znaju nesto o temi, hvala.

edit: prebacite u odgovarajucu kategoriju, krivo sam nesto napravio.
Domena je.ch?
Jel vlasnik domene fizička ili pravna osoba?
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Baš me zanima kakve ovlasti ima US odvjetnički ured u švici
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Staro 29.04.2024., 07:19   #4
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To sam baš i ja htio napisati. A i stav odvjetničkog ureda da kao prvo i jedino pošalje subpoenu je tipično kaubojski sistem. Nisu se sjetili pitati ništa o otkupu domene.
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Baš me zanima kakve ovlasti ima US odvjetnički ured u švici

Ako se radi o jačem/ozbiljnijem odvjetničkom društvu onda ti imaju u Švici svog affiliatea koji će te ganjati u Švici po švicarskom pravu (ako ima razloga za to.)


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To sam baš i ja htio napisati. A i stav odvjetničkog ureda da kao prvo i jedino pošalje subpoenu je tipično kaubojski sistem. Nisu se sjetili pitati ništa o otkupu domene.

Ne, to je app stav. Ako prođe, prođe
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Staro 29.04.2024., 14:20   #6
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Staro 30.04.2024., 14:33   #7
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hvala svima na komentarima i voljom za pomoci, javljat cu kako ce se situacija razvijat.


domena je .ch, vlasnik domene je pravna osoba, sjediste nase firme je offshore otok Nevis koja je ujedno i vlasnik domene.

web stranica odvjetnickog ureda djeluje u redu. necu pisati koje drustvo je u pitanju, jer ne znam tko sve cita forum.

u medjuvremenu sam kontaktirao WIPO [dot] int kako bih dobio vise informacija i njihovo misljenje na situaciju.

danas sam poslao jos jedan mail US odvjetnickom drustvu. na prosli mail nisam dobio odgovor. zadnji odgovor je bio 15 marta 2024

sve vise mi se cini da je ovo moguci APP, ali necu se jos previse nadat.

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domena je .ch, vlasnik domene je pravna osoba, sjediste nase firme je offshore otok Nevis koja je ujedno i vlasnik domene.

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web stranica odvjetnickog ureda djeluje u redu - skell_enger_ben_der [dot] com (maknuti _)

u medjuvremenu sam kontaktirao WIPO [dot] int kako bih dobio vise informacija i njihovo misljenje na situaciju.

danas sam poslao jos jedan mail US odvjetnickom drustvu. na prosli mail nisam dobio odgovor. zadnji odgovor je bio 15 marta 2024

sve vise mi se cini da je ovo moguci APP.

hvala svima na komentarima, javljat cu kako ce se situacija razvijat.

Pogledao sam im web, nije to baš velik ured po američkim standardima, a i ne vidim da imaju IP odjel.



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Staro 30.04.2024., 15:05   #9
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takav je tip posla da je sigurnije bilo ici offshore. nista u EU niti US, sve je legalno ali bolje da nema imena. :-)

palo mi je na pamet da je mozda ovo arbitration vezano za arbitraze sa domenama, kao sto to i carnet naziva - https://domene.hr/portal/disputes

jos jednom hvala na ulozenom vremenu.


edit: moze li netko sa znanjem komentirati jesmo li mozda u prednosti obzirom da je domena registrirana prije samog trademarka.

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Staro 01.05.2024., 10:49   #10
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Sigurno.

Primjerice domena ipod.com je bila registrirana godinama prije nego je Apple izbacio prvi iPod. Apple iskrcao par desetaka tisuća dolara vlasniku da otkupi domenu. Nikakve tužbe. Vlasnik je bio privatna osoba.

Neki američani su posebna gamad. Toplo preporučam pogledati ovaj dokumentarac:

https://www.thepatentscam.com/
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takav je tip posla da je sigurnije bilo ici offshore. nista u EU niti US, sve je legalno ali bolje da nema imena. :-)

palo mi je na pamet da je mozda ovo arbitration vezano za arbitraze sa domenama, kao sto to i carnet naziva - https://domene.hr/portal/disputes

jos jednom hvala na ulozenom vremenu.


edit: moze li netko sa znanjem komentirati jesmo li mozda u prednosti obzirom da je domena registrirana prije samog trademarka.

Arbitraža ti je široki pravni pojam, najčešće vezan uz velike poslove gdje ugovorne strane ugovaraju da će umjesto pred sudom određene zemlje u slučaju spora postupak riješavati pred arbitražom.
Arbitražna sudišta mogu biti međunarodna i državna.


Definitivno ste u prednosti što se tiče registracije prije trademarka.
A teoretski, čak i da niste pod uvjetom da ne rabiš domenu za klevetanje tog proizvoda ili usluga, ili nije linkana na direktnog konkurenta pa da oni mogu reći da im zbog toga dolazi do izravne štete, vaše društvo je registriralo domenu fair and square na tržištu.
Nek daju ponudu za otkup domene ili neka proštetaju
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Mislim da tu ima dovoljno materijala da bi se određene individue u americi upustile u protutužbu i vjerojatno iznudile neku odštetu. Očito nije dovoljno odvjetnika nahebalo da prestanu s ovakvom usranom praksom.
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Koliko sam vidio, bude tu svačega Hoće ti advokati odnosno društva i na svoju ruku razna sranja raditi. Ekipa kada krene tužiti krenu in stranku i na društvo, bude to veselo. Nekim ljudima je taj APP baš dogorio.
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Da prijatelju mi je dosla ovrha 400 eura iz 2011 od telemacha za racun od 16 eur koji je dug proda nekom odvejtnickom drustvu. Nikad nije imao nista u telemachu, niko mu ne moze dati dokaz da je dug postojao(racun) , ni odvjetnik ni biljeznik ni telemach samo ga vrte u krug. Kazu nije zastara jer je racun blokiran od 2012, a nije ofc, ali je uredno sad ovrsen, a on ako oce dokazat svoje treba pokretati sudsku parnicu koja ga moze kostati vise od 400 eura

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zahvaljujem na komentarima vezano za temu, a molim da se drzimo teme jer ovrhe nisu tema.


@OuttaControl neka trazi izvod otvorenih stavki koji mora biti potpisan od strane osobe ovlastene za zastupanje drustva i ugovor o cesiji. moraju dokazati tko je odvjetnickom drustvu ustupio ili prodao potrazivanje. na fini traziti ocevidnik izvrsenih i neizvrsenih osnova za placanje. procitati NN 68/18, 02/20, 46/20, 47/20 Članak 12. Stavka 1
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Mislim da tu ima dovoljno materijala da bi se određene individue u americi upustile u protutužbu i vjerojatno iznudile neku odštetu. Očito nije dovoljno odvjetnika nahebalo da prestanu s ovakvom usranom praksom.

Odvjetnik/odvjentičko društvo radi po mandatu/punomoći u ime i za račun trećih osoba, i time se isključuje dobar dio odgovornosti.

Nisam vidio navedeni dopis, ali čisto sumnjam da su američke kolege prijetili na nezakonit način
Nakon što sastavim dopis tog tipa, uvijek ga šaljem stranci na konfirmaciju.






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Koliko sam vidio, bude tu svačega Hoće ti advokati odnosno društva i na svoju ruku razna sranja raditi. Ekipa kada krene tužiti krenu in stranku i na društvo, bude to veselo. Nekim ljudima je taj APP baš dogorio.

Definiraj sranja Puno toga što ljudi misle da je nezakonito/nemoralno je u skladu sa zakonom. A i licence se gube, pa se ljudi u najvećem dijelu baš i ne igraju.

S time da naravno po mom mišljenju, postoje ljudi i u mojoj profesiji koji bi trebali biti bez licence, i/ili u zatvoru (a nisu), ali tako je u svakoj branši.

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