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Staro 04.12.2020., 23:55   #3841
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Staro 07.12.2020., 18:24   #3842
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Apple preps next Mac chips with aim to outclass top-end PCs
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Apple Inc. is planning a series of new Mac processors for introduction as early as 2021 that are aimed at outperforming Intel Corp.’s fastest. The road map indicates Apple’s confidence that it can differentiate its products on the strength of its own engineering and is taking decisive steps to design Intel components out of its devices. The next two lines of Apple chips are also planned to be more ambitious than some industry watchers expected for next year. The company said it expects to finish the transition away from Intel and to its own silicon in 2022.

While Intel gets less than 10% of its revenue from furnishing Apple with Mac chips, the rest of its PC business is liable to face turbulence if the iPhone maker is able to deliver demonstrably better-performing computers. It could accelerate a shakeup in an industry that has long been dependent on Intel’s pace of innovation. For Apple, the move sheds that dependency, deepens its distinction from the rest of the PC market and gives it a chance to add to its small, but growing share in PCs. The current M1 chip inherits a mobile-centric design built around four high-performance processing cores to accelerate tasks like video editing and four power-saving cores that can handle less intensive jobs like web browsing. For its next generation chip targeting MacBook Pro and iMac models, Apple is working on designs with as many as 16 power cores and four efficiency cores.

While that component is in development, Apple could choose to first release variations with only eight or 12 of the high-performance cores enabled depending on production. Chipmakers are often forced to offer some models with lower specifications than they originally intended because of problems that emerge during fabrication. For higher-end desktop computers, planned for later in 2021 and a new half-sized Mac Pro planned to launch by 2022, Apple is testing a chip design with as many as 32 high-performance cores.

Apple engineers are also developing more ambitious graphics processors. Today’s M1 processors are offered with a custom Apple graphics engine that comes in either 7 or 8-core variations. For its future high-end laptops and mid-range desktops, Apple is testing 16-core and 32-core graphics parts. For later in 2021 or potentially 2022, Apple is working on pricier graphics upgrades with 64 and 128 dedicated cores aimed at its highest-end machines, the people said. Those graphics chips would be several times faster than the current graphics modules Apple uses from nVidia and AMD in its Intel-powered hardware.
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No, Intel and Samsung are not passing TSMC
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If Intel gets back onto a two-year node interval, then Intel 5nm using HNS (Horizontal Nanosheets, a form of GAA - Gate All Around)) will be due in 2024. I am not sure I believe that but for the sake of argument I will go with it. There is also a question as to whether Intel even does 5nm, they are looking at outsourcing and depending on how that goes they may not go beyond 7nm and may use foundries. TSMC’s 2nm node is now expected to be available for risk starts in 2023 and production in 2024. TSMC has said it will be a full node and even with modest density improvements it will be denser than Intel’s 5nm process based on announced density improvements, Intel will likely pass Samsung but not TSMC. This would be Intel and TSMC’s first HNS. Possibly because it would be Samsung’s second generation HNS maybe they will take a bigger density jump but I don’t see them catching TSMC who is taking bigger jumps at both 5nm and 3nm. The bottom line is Intel may be doing bigger density jumps at each node than the foundries but from the 14nm nodes in 2014 through the Intel 7nm node expected in 2022, the foundries have done 5 full nodes while Intel has done 3 full nodes and TSMC in particular has opened up a big process lead.
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Staro 13.12.2020., 14:50   #3843
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Staro 13.12.2020., 15:35   #3844
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250W je neupotrebljivo za 99.99% korisnika.

Znači ono što će biti zanimljivo je valjda i7-11700K.
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Staro 13.12.2020., 19:29   #3845
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A i naming shema na aparatima

10 serija - i7 8c16t, i9 10c20t
11 serija - i7 8c16t, i9 isto 8c16t!?

Znači downgrade za i9, te isto i7 i i9...

Ako im je 8c16t sad max, pa nek bude i7, bez i9 ko ga jebe, i7 je bio ionako flagship desetljeće, a i9 ionako nikad nije postao neki gaming brand, a sa 11 serijom upravo na to ciljaju, misija no1. i9 je više za prosumere, a sa 8 jezgri se ionako neće moći natjecati sa ryzenima kod content creatora, tako da samo ruše i9 brand.

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Staro 13.12.2020., 19:59   #3846
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Proc na aparatima.
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Staro 13.12.2020., 20:00   #3847
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Pitanje je u kakvim uvjetima vuce tih 250w, jedan 10900k na 1.33v i 5.2ghz vuce preko 300w u Blenderu.

Cip koji ce biti zanimljiv siroj populaciji ce vjerovatno biti 11600k. Navodni msrp bi mu trebao biti 260$ tj 39$ manji od 5600x, a kako trenutno stvari stoje stanje sa cijenama se promijenilo pa su sada cijene Intela stabilizirane dok cijene ryzena divljaju...

Sa ovom generacijom se vidi da je Intel odustao od ikakvog pokusaja nadmetanja u content creation vodama pa se koncentrirao iskljucivo na gaming. Ovaj i9 im sluzi valjda jedino za izvuci koji $ od ekipe koja mora imati i9 u masini.
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Staro 13.12.2020., 20:16   #3848
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Mene zanima cijena i7 11700F, jer sad si nešto razmišljam nadogaditi se na trenutni i7f koji košta 2500 kn. Ako će ovaj biti 20% bolji u gamingu od serije 10 tj. u rangu sadšnjih ryzena teško da će i on biti 2500 kn
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Staro 13.12.2020., 20:22   #3849
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Nema razloga da ne bude takva cijena. Vidis da 11600k ima isti msrp kao 10600k, tako ce najvjerovatnije biti i sa ostalim modelima. Naravno ako cijene u ducanima ne podivljaju kao i sa karticama...
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Staro 13.12.2020., 20:25   #3850
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Budem pričekao, nije to daleko a sad kupiti i7 10700f pa onda ako ovaj ispadne dosta brži za sličnu cijenu...makar nisam optimista. Ako bude javno se zahvalim AMD-u
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Staro 13.12.2020., 20:41   #3851
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