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Staro 28.08.2021., 22:23   #5011
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Baš ono što sam pisao, ako im je trebalo 250w da prestignu AMD onda će AMD imati lak zadatak sa Zen 4.
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Staro 28.08.2021., 22:31   #5012
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Čudan zaključak, mrtav nije sigurno. Po grafovima se vidi da je 4/8 i dalje sasvim dovoljan za 60 fps gaming, čak i na potpuno nerealnoj kombinaciji sa 6900XT. 10105F ima zaista smiješnu cijenu a 6/12 je skuplji dvostruko i više, tako da 4/8 i dalje ima svoje mjesto za low budget konfice.
Sjedeće godine je sigurno završeno sa 4 core. Obično PC portovi console-igara trebaju isti broj jezgri kao i console ako ne i više.

Trebati će nam budget 8 core.

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Intel Core i7-12700 Alder Lake CPU Up To 15% Faster Than Ryzen 7 5800X In Latest Multi-Threaded Benchmarks


Alleged Intel Alder Lake-S Desktop CPU Tested, Runs Really Hot at Up To 93C While Consuming 250W of Power
Rocket lake je oko 100C pa je to napredak.
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Staro 29.08.2021., 02:24   #5013
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Sjedeće godine je sigurno završeno sa 4 core. Obično PC portovi console-igara trebaju isti broj jezgri kao i console ako ne i više.

Trebati će nam budget 8 core.
pa baš je to stevica demantirao ovih dana, bez obzira na 8core u konzolama dok god imaš 6core koji je jači od tog starijeg 8core ne treba ti ništa više

dakle ta priča o future proof 8core je samo još jedan mit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkfjICH1VqY&t=3s
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Staro 29.08.2021., 11:54   #5014
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Sjedeće godine je sigurno završeno sa 4 core. Obično PC portovi console-igara trebaju isti broj jezgri kao i console ako ne i više.

Trebati će nam budget 8 core.
Konzole već 8 godina imaju 8 jezgri. Istina, dosta slabije jezgre, ali ako ćemo ići logikom da igre "znaju" iskoristiti 8 jezgri na konzoli, onda bi trebale "znati" iskoristiti i 8 jezgri na PC-u ali baš im to i ne uspjeva. I opet nema igre koja optereti 8 jezgri/threadova 95%+ cijelo vrijeme. Znači nije bitno koliko jezgri CPU ima, već koliko je "jaka" svaka jezgra. Da nam stvarno treba 8 jezgri, onda bi većina igara uspjela opteretiti i5/R5 procesore na 100% bez problema.
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Staro 29.08.2021., 15:30   #5015
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Nisam to još pogledao, no steve je tvrdio da R7 3700X nikad neće biti brži u gamingu od R5 5600X i vjerojatno je u pravu, jer ni u full load MT benchmarcima 5600X ne zaostaje mnogo, a znamo da igre ne funkcioniraju tako, tako da će i unekoj dalekoj budućnosti 5600X biti brži od 3700X, barem u 99% igara

No kod konzola je štos optimizacija, tako da u dalekoj budućnosti vjerojatno bolje raditi na konzolama nego dekstop pandanu
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Staro 03.09.2021., 19:23   #5017
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i5 12600k 357 eura ako tako bude preskupo.
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Ista stvar (po pitanju nagađanja) je bila s Rocket Lake modelima, pa se na kraju ispostavilo da su cijene itekako bile u tom rangu.

Sve ovisi o krajnjim performansama, jer (po)veća potrošnja i zagrijavanje budu i dalje prisutni s Alder Lakeom.
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Ista stvar (po pitanju nagađanja) je bila s Rocket Lake modelima, pa se na kraju ispostavilo da su cijene itekako bile u tom rangu.

Sve ovisi o krajnjim performansama, jer (po)veća potrošnja i zagrijavanje budu i dalje prisutni s Alder Lakeom.
Cijena procesora je samo jedan mali dio, nema sumnje da će matične i pogotovo ddr5 biti vrlo skupi.
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To su te rekordne zarade.
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Staro 03.09.2021., 23:06   #5021
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Očekivano skupo, a kad povuku 10400f biti će samo skupo i skuplje. Uz cijenu grafa konzola je nobrainer. Srećom mogu pod kamen na pet godina pa nek divlja koliko želi

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Staro 05.09.2021., 15:41   #5022
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Intel CEO says it will respond to AMD with better products and put pressure on nVidia graphics
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We just say about the AMD threat, you know we got to do better products, period! So we gonna build better products and they had a period we haven’t executed well. We’re gonna execute, execute, execute! So we were in a period where we were behind. Now with Ice Lake, Sapphire Rapids, Diamond Rapids, we are in a period where we are going to be very competitive and as we get out to 3 -4 years from now, we see that we will be in sustained leadership again. We have a number of things going on over here[…] We are rolling out the heterogenous architecture that is part of Alder Lake where we have big and little cores, you know AMD only has one. We’ll have a higher performance and a more energy-efficient version of the core, pretty compelling, we’ll lay out our major vector enhancement stuff, we have our GPU architecture where we are gonna start being in a position to really put pressure on nVidia for the first time ever.
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I dok novi-stari CEO ima kojekakve čestitke, želje i pozdrave, realnost je malo drugačija. Alder Lakeova poveća potrošnja i zagrijavanje dovoljno govori o učinkovitosti same arhitekture, a heterogeni pristup, odnosno hibridni dizajn je tu samo da marketing može odraditi svoje i reći da sada napokon imaju i nude isto toliko jezgri koliko i konkurencija. AVX-512 je kompletno isključen za desktop, dok su manje Atom jezgre totalno ignorirane za serverske Sapphire Rapids primjerke, jer bez Windows 11 podrške i Intel Thread Director implementacije, taj dio priče ne drži vodu, a serverska infrastruktura se vrti na *nix okolinama koje su za prvu ruku lijepo stavljene sa strane.
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Internet-grooming company Cloudflare has revealed that it was unable to put Intel inside its new home-brew servers, because they just used too much energy. "We evaluated Intel's latest generation of 'Ice Lake' Xeon processors," Howells wrote. "Although Intel's chips were able to compete with AMD in terms of raw performance, the power consumption was several hundred watts higher per server – that's enormous." Requests per Watt is one of our defining characteristics when testing new hardware and we use it to identify how much more efficient a new hardware generation is than the previous generation. So, based on the samples we received from our vendors and our subsequent testing, hardware from AMD and Ampere made the shortlist for our generation 11 server. On this occasion, we decided that Intel did not meet our requirements.
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Staro 05.09.2021., 19:24   #5023
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Intel CEO Says Alder Lake CPUs Will Have Three Major ‘AMD Zen-Like’ Architectural Announcements, ARC Alchemist Xe-HPG GPUs To Put Pressure On NVIDIA

Link: https://wccftech.com/intel-ceo-says-...ure-on-nvidia/

) Sunčece ti presvetlo, čitam članak i izjavu od ove direktorske spodobe Gelsingera, prvo kaže da imaju Zen-like arhitekturne promjene i inovacije a onda zatim da AMD nema ništa slično njihovim vrhunaravnim proizvodima... ovaj bi trebao ili u Vrapče ili u Zg Holding.
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Staro 05.09.2021., 19:29   #5024
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Gigabyte Z690 AORUS Master & Z690 AORUS ELITE AX LGA 1700 Motherboards Listed Online By Retailers With Preliminary Pricing

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Staro 05.09.2021., 19:35   #5025
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sa ddr 4 memorijom i super cjenama,baš će netko sljedeće godine ploču mjenjat za ddr5 memoriju,mi koji ne kupujemo high end.

it was made clear that high-end premium boards would rather stick to DDR5 memory.
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Staro 05.09.2021., 19:56   #5026
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Kolkio sam shvatio ddr5 ce sljedeće godine doći i na low-mid range ploče.


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We just say about the AMD threat, you know we got to do better products, period! So we gonna build better products and they had a period we haven’t executed well. We’re gonna execute, execute, execute! So we were in a period where we were behind. Now with Ice Lake, Sapphire Rapids, Diamond Rapids, we are in a period where we are going to be very competitive and as we get out to 3 -4 years from now, we see that we will be in sustained leadership again. We have a number of things going on over here[…] We are rolling out the heterogenous architecture that is part of Alder Lake where we have big and little cores, you know AMD only has one. We’ll have a higher performance and a more energy-efficient version of the core, pretty compelling, we’ll lay out our major vector enhancement stuff, we have our GPU architecture where we are gonna start being in a position to really put pressure on nVidia for the first time ever. .
To je ono sto je Rokect lake već trebao postići. A onda prije nego je izasao, dobio end of line. Intel kasni sa novom generacijom. I da se mene pita izraz Intel 7 bi trebao biti TSMC 7nm, a ne 10nm kao sto je sada.


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Ali stvarno treba čestitati Intelu. Ne samo da napada Nvidiju sa grafikom već i AMD sa procesorima. Veliki pothvat Intela. Hoće li nVidia učiniti isto i proizvoditi CPU?

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Staro 08.09.2021., 13:14   #5027
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Staro 08.09.2021., 20:54   #5028
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Prednosti Alder lake arhitekture i niže potrošnje baterije na laptopina samo moze ostvariti Windows 11 uz Thread Director, kažu novosti. Aldera će predstaviti listopada 27og i 28og.
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Staro 08.09.2021., 22:43   #5029
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Ovaj dio sto Cloudflare prica je tocno ono sto sam spominjao (a on a funny note, upravo i nosim cloudflare majcu ) prije nekoliko stranica kad je netko spominjao da nekog ko placa milijune nije briga za struju. Itekako je. Uguravanje vise corova/memorije u sto manji prostor (rack) je oduvijek sto bilo tko ozbiljan gleda. Svi veliki kupci dizaniraju svoje rackove/hladjenje da bi to dodatno optimizirali jer im standardni serveri/blade shasije nisu dovoljno dobre.
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Prvi mačići se u vodu bacaju, najbolje preskočiti tu prvu generaciju i uzeti Raptor Lake jer će se dotad sve i ispeglati, optimizirati, pojeftiniti memorija, a i izaći brže memorije:
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-z6...and-gear4-mode
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Prvi mačići se u vodu bacaju, najbolje preskočiti tu prvu generaciju i uzeti Raptor Lake jer će se dotad sve i ispeglati, optimizirati, pojeftiniti memorija, a i izaći brže memorije:
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-z6...and-gear4-mode
Nadam se da neće biti negativno jer ja sam preskocio Rocket lake, Alder lake jednostavo mora štimati.

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ASML is the key to Intel’s resurrection just like ASML helped TSMC beat Intel
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If Intel has any hope of recapturing the lead in the Moore’s Law race from TSMC then it desperately needs ASML’s help. Right now TSMC is miles ahead of Intel in EUV tool count and experience which is the key to advanced technology nodes. If both TSMC and Intel buy tools and technology at an equal rate, TSMC will stay ahead. The only other way for Intel to catch TSMC is for TSMC to fall on its own sword, much as Intel did, but we don’t see that happening any time soon. Back when ASML was struggling with EUV, making slow progress on a questionable technology, they were looking for an early adopter to take the plunge and convince the industry that EUV was real. ASML got into a room with TSMC management and cut a deal and TSMC went from an EUV non-believer to a full on convert virtually over night. TSMC went from “never EUV” to its biggest customer and user (financed by Apple). The rest is history. Its likely that TSMC may have pulled ahead without EUV but EUV really allowed TSMC to accelerate away from Intel and Samsung and create a huge Moore’s Law lead that exists today.

Obviously there was some behind the scenes discussion between ASML & Intel as Intel came out with a full throated support of high-NA EUV technology. If ASML anoints Intel as the high-NA EUV champion in exchange for its commitment and Intel gets preferential access to tools over TSMC as its reward, that could be the difference to get Intel back in the Moore’s Law game ahead of TSMC. Intel of course has to do a lot of other things right, such as new transistor design and vertically stacked transistors but little of that will matter if they can’t get back in the Moore’s Law game with leading edge litho. Back in 2012 ASML was struggling with EUV and needed some financial help to complete the technology and show support of customers. It would seem that now the shoe is on the other foot. ASML is on fire and Intel is in need of help. ASML has a 50% higher market cap than Intel.

Intel has a lot to do, a lot to prove and a lot of money to spend to recapture the lead in semiconductors. In short, Intel needs help. Maybe ASML should invest in Intel much as Intel invested in ASML when the chips were down. If ASML were to invest a similar amount in Intel, it would be enough cash to pay for both planned foundries in Arizona and then some. With enough left over for Intel to buy some expensive high-NA tools. This would certainly be better than a US government bailout of Intel’s self inflicted problems which would benefit investors rather than tapping taxpayers. Intel would certainly rather take the “free money” from the government. Its a nice dream but we doubt that Samsung & TSMC would be happy with ASML investing in Intel.

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In its early years, Intel declined a bid to invest in TSMC, probably not thinking contract chip making would have a future, Chang disclosed. Founded in Taiwan in 1987 by Morris Chang, TSMC was the world's first dedicated semiconductor foundry and has long been the leading company in its field. Morris Chang, the founder and chairman of TSMC, successfully convinced Philips to invest in TSMC and use its factories to manufacture Philips' chips, making the European giant an original investor and early customer. Philips' name was just as important as its money to TSMC. Adding Philips to the list of TSMC investors helped convince government officials in Taiwan, other investors and other potential customers to work with and invest in TSMC early on. In 1984, Philips split off its activities on the field of photolithographic integrated circuit production equipment, the so-called wafer steppers, into a joint venture with ASM International, located in Veldhoven under the name ASML. Over the years, this new company has evolved into the world's leading manufacturer of chip production machines at the expense of competitors like Nikon and Canon.
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Staro 10.09.2021., 16:40   #5034
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Sa 228 W potrošnje 12900k je baš cool...
Da ne pričam o tome koja će cijena biti mborda sa vrm koji će držati taj boost...
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Bit će abnormalno skupo. Skupi AMD će postati jeftin bez da takne cijenu.
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10% do 15% bolje performanse u odnosu na Zen 3 uz 50%+ veću potrošnju i zagrijavanje, uopće nije loše, tako da će i cijena biti opravdana za taj nivo performansi.
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Bit će zanimljivo pratiti kuda sve to vodi, koje će cijene testirati jedni drugi i gdje će biti granica.
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Zanima me hoće li Alder lake imati nove brandove preporučenih coolera ili će stari bit ok da ga drže ispod 70c?
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Zanima me hoće li Alder lake imati nove brandove preporučenih coolera ili će stari bit ok da ga drže ispod 70c?
Otprilike će trebat hladnjak od 250 W, zračni, ili vodeni.
Osobno sam mišljenja da za 70-°C će trebati opako vodeno.
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Bit će zanimljivo pratiti kuda sve to vodi, koje će cijene testirati jedni drugi i gdje će biti granica.
Vidjeli smo sa grafama i smartphonima koliko se granice mogu micati, a ionako je trend poskupljivanja svega i svačega pa neće ni procesori ostat netaknuti.
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