Nadolazeći AMD socketi, ploče i procesori

[Pupo]

https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/09/...e-amd-patches/

lol, najebe AMD ni kriv ni dužan

[virty]

Autor Amd_Shill

Proc u rangu Vishere od VIAe je moguć onoliko koliko je moguć udar asteroida u Karlovac.

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[Manuel Calavera]

Višera čudo koje nikad neće biti "prevaziđeno"

[Amd_Shill]

Autor Manuel Calavera

Višera čudo koje nikad neće biti "prevaziđeno"

Vađenje iz konteksta.

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[The Exiled]

Autor Pupo

lol, najebe AMD ni kriv ni dužan

Napalo ih, veli Majkrosoft da je do kombinacije AMD čipseta i AV softvera. U svakom slučaju zajebano, pogotovo sad kad na CES-u predstavljaju hrpu nadolazećih stvari.

[nathan.fake]

Autor Pupo

https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/09/...e-amd-patches/

lol, najebe AMD ni kriv ni dužan

Jel ima ko kaki konkretni primjer (svi copy/paste jedan te isti quote)? Po svem sto citam, navodno su zahvaceni stariji AMD-i, Athlon 64 i Athlon 64 X2.

Frend ima 3 Ahtlona 64 X2 (x2 5000+ i 1x 5200+, MBO su 2x NVIDIA i 1x ATI/AMD) sva tri kompa uredno nadogradjena, nikaki BSOD, doduse na sva tri ima samo Windows Defender

[The Exiled]

Autor nathan.fake

Jel ima ko kaki konkretni primjer?

Baci pogled na službeni Microsoft Answers forum.

[nathan.fake]

Autor The Exiled

Baci pogled na službeni Microsoft Answers forum.

problem je sto niko ne navodi konkretne i precizne informacije, sve su postovi od jedne te iste ekipe, samo preljevaju iz supljeg u prazno...

Athlon X2 6000+ je bio u Windsor i Brisbane jezgrama, da li bug pogadja obje?
(naime MS kaze da je do buga doslo zbog "nepotpune" AMD dokumentacije)

koji BIOS koriste na plocama? koji AV koriste? koju verziju W10 su imali prije nadogradnje?

bilo bi najjednostavnije da bug pogadja sve K8 procesore, ali ocito ne nego samo odredjene varijante

[The Exiled]

Znam, ali vidiš i sam da vlada opća pomutnja, tak da teško da budu išli u detalje kad panično traže rješenje za BSOD. Nekome sve radi, a drugi se javlja da ima crno-plavi ekran. I tak ukrug.

Microsoft se lijepo ogradil, jer su zakrpe za nešto što (u tolikoj mjeri) ne pogađa AMD - ljudima skršile mašine koje se uredno radile godinama. I nije problem u samim procesorima.

Kaj se tiče BIOS-a, obzirom da su redom u pitanju AM2(+)/AM3(+) ploče, za pretpostaviti je da ljudi imaju ono što je zadnje bilo dostupno, mada bilo bi stvarno super da navedu sve po spisku.

Kolko sam uspjel pohvatati, većina ih ima ili Windows 7 SP1 ili Windows 10 Pro (1703 i 1709) i onda kreće šou ovisno o čipsetu i AV-u, a prevladava Windows Defender.

[Gigi1]

nema grafi, bit ce apu-a

https://www.bug.hr/procesori/ryzen-a...lokiranje-2415

[Disco]

Ryzen 5 2600 3,4/3,8gzHz.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd...hero-mobo.html

EDIT:

Dakle 200mhz veci clock, bas me zanima da li ce OC moc gurat 4,5ghz.
Vjerojatno su svi podignuti za 200mHz i to je to.

[segregator]

Autor Amd_Shill

Oni su toliko zaostali u odnosu na AMD i Intel tako da taj povratak smiješno zvuči.
Isto kao da se prvak škole u Zmijavcima ide utrkivat sa Boltom. Ništa od toga.

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Istina, slabašno izgleda...ali ne bi potcjenjivao Kineze:

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/zhaoxin/kaixian/kx-u5680

[Manuel Calavera]

Kao što sam pisao na drugoj temi, to kinezi u roku par godina planiraju lansirati odjeb zapadnim korporacijama tj. njihovim platformama, njihovim sigurnosnim propustima i kojekavim backdoorovima tj. špijuniranju pomoću istih.

[Brko]

Tako da mogu razviti svoj Meltdown, Sprectre i razne backdoors, kao i u svojim mobitelima koje su uspješno progurali ovamo

Mudri su oduvijek bili

Sent from Mobara

[Manuel Calavera]

Mislim da su im u prvom planu domaće potrebe, a kasnije - bože moj.

Znaš ovo - klik

[Smartic]

Jedan naručio i dobio R5 2400G prije launcha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrRvBWZ1AFA

Mislim da je RAM dual-channel 2666MHz. Stream trajao 10h, ali samo 2h je uploadano.

[The Exiled]

AMD launches their Ryzen Embedded V1000 and EPYC 3000 Embedded series processors

AMD has officially released their new Ryzen and EPYC series of embedded processors, allowing AMD's Zen (and Vega) architectures to enter into additional markets and systems. AMD's EPYC 3000 series is designed to offer up to sixteen CPU cores in a compact form factor, while Ryzen V1000 processors combine up to four Zen cores and 11 Vega GPU core clusters to complete both visual and standard CPU driven computational tasks. Unlike previous EPYC CPU models, AMD's Ryzen embedded CPUs only comes with two CPU dies, creating half Naples/EPYC design that is more akin to Threadripper than socketed EPYC CPUs. EPYC 3000 series embedded processors will come with up to 16 CPU cores, 32 Threads, 32MB of L3 Cache, 64 PCIe lanes and quad-channel DDR4 2666MHz memory. Ryzen V1000 series GPUs are an embedded form of Raven Ridge, offering up to 11 Vega GPU core clusters and up to four/eight CPU cores/threads with a TDP of up to 45W. These models will offer a lower TDP than AMD's Raven Ridge desktop offerings, though AMD is shipping these models with support for 3200MHz memory out of the box.

Izvor: TechPowerUp, OC3D, ComputerBase, The Tech Report, PC Perspective, HotHardware, ServeTheHome (1 - 2)

[Manuel Calavera]

Evo malo info o nadolazećim nodeima

Summary

-Intel is struggling to figure out 10nm while TSMC, Samsung and GlobalFoundries push on to 7nm.

-SRAM cell size points to 7nm superiority.

-AMD's fabless business model puts the company in prime position to take advantage of Intel's manufacturing woes.

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), which has been fabless for almost a decade now, might soon be the beneficiary of Intel's (INTC) fabrication woes as the latter company struggles to figure out its 10nm process. With AMD's upcoming processors likely to be manufactured on the 7nm processes of Intel's competitors, the power dynamic in the CPU market looks poised to rebalance in AMD's favor.

Intel originally planned to have 10nm products enter production in 2015, but the release was then postponed to 2H 2017. Then when nothing arrived in 2H 2017, Intel said it would introduce 10nm in late 2017 and begin volume production in 2018. But, as of the writing of this article, we have still yet to see or hear any significant, official updates from the company in terms of products manufactured using this 10nm process.

In the meantime, Samsung (OTC:SSNLF), Taiwan Semiconductor (TSM), and GlobalFoundries have been pushing full steam ahead toward 7nm processes that boast higher SRAM cell density by significant margins. Here's an excerpt from an EE Times article discussing Intel's presentation at the 2018 International Solid-State Circuit Conference ("ISSCC") a few days ago:

The Intel design shows 0.62–0.58x scaling compared to its 14-nm SRAM, maintaining Moore’s Law and “within 15 percent of the smallest reported 7-nm cell,” said Intel’s Zheng Gui, pointing to smaller 7-nm SRAMs from Samsung this year and TSMC at ISSCC 2017.

Intel is essentially saying "hey, we're not THAT far behind" whereas, before the years-long delay in its 10nm process, the company had an unquestioned manufacturing and technological edge. And sure, if they had come out with this process node in 2015 Intel would be sitting pretty, but instead, we're two months into 2018 and we still haven't heard much regarding 10nm products. Meanwhile, TSMC expects to begin volume production on 7nm in 1H 2018, Samsung is on a similar schedule, and GloFo is set for trial production in mid 2018 and volume production soon thereafter. Here's a summary table for comparisons between the different nodes:



As we can see, 6T (six-transistor) SRAM cell size does not look good for Intel in the slightest. While the 7nm processes are all in the same ballpark in SRAM cell density, Intel is at 0.0312 (well at least they're within 15%). SRAM cell density is not the be-all, end-all for determining which processes will ultimately perform better, but Intel's multi-year delay for 10nm and the inferiority of SRAM cell density don't appear to bode well as the company matches up with competitors' processes.

What does this have to do with AMD? Unlike Intel, which manufactures its own chips, AMD decided to spin off its fab business (which is now GlobalFoundries) back in 2009. While Intel has to worry about each new node in addition to each new architecture, AMD can play the field and use whichever process fits best with the company's strategy. Therefore, AMD appears to have an opportunity that it hasn't had in quite some time: To compete on a level playing field. More specifically, without Intel's usual significant process advantages, the battle of microarchitecture vs. microarchitecture becomes much more interesting.

This isn't to say AMD will surpass Intel in every single processor performance metric - the process node is not the only determining factor of performance. However, Intel's current situation seems precarious and could snowball into a more significant disadvantage if the company doesn't get its act together soon. But even now, what we know about Intel's 10nm compared to other 7nm processes indicates that AMD's next generation of CPUs could very well be more competitive on a process basis, which would narrow the gap in performance between the two companies' chips (provided AMD doesn't drop the ball on the microarchitecture).

Investor Takeaway

Whereas AMD has had to fight against the tide of a process disadvantage for years, now it appears that the company will have access to an on-par or possibly better process than Intel. This is huge. This won't impact the current Zen processors (14nm node) or Zen+ processors (expected 12nm), but once Zen 2 hits the market, likely in 2019, the CPU space will become very interesting.

What's especially exciting for AMD investors is that regaining the technological edge in the fab business isn't easy once you've fallen behind. That Intel has now delayed its 10nm process for close to three years should be of substantial concern to INTC shareholders and should be a source of optimism for those holding a stake in AMD, considering the two companies might be on equal footing in the process game for the foreseeable future. And yet, in the face of losing the competitive advantage in the fab business, Intel still hasn't begun production of 10nm processors. I don't see any way an objective observer could see this development as anything else other than a boost for AMD and a blow for Intel.

The challenge Zen 2 and later generations of CPUs must overcome is one of mindshare: Intel still has the brand, the entrenchment, and the prestige. In my opinion, AMD can make a significant dent in Intel's mindshare (and market share) with solid execution on Zen 2. Currently, AMD is a competitor on price/performance alone, which is good for consumers but bad for gross margins. However, I think Intel's missteps on 10nm and other foundries' advancements on 7nm will allow AMD to more ably compete on a head-to-head basis, which will increase mindshare, market share, and revenue while also providing a boost to gross margins as well.

And yes, it's possible Intel will get its 10nm troubles figured out and have products manufactured on the process hitting shelves before the end of March. But realistically, the three-year delay has changed the balance of power in the industry: Intel is following, not leading. As a fabless company, this scenario benefits AMD. Further, I think this rebalancing of power gives AMD an opportunity with Zen 2 to truly challenge Intel's dominance, and if other foundries continue to outpace Intel, that opportunity will only expand.

[Gigi1]

skot o nodovima, epycu i tome kako bi intel 2019/20 mozda bio u podređenoj poziciji




ovako bi mogao izgledati epyc/rome 2019 sa 64 jezgre, znaci crveno u sredini je kompleks koji bi na sebe obuhvatio cache, kontrolere i sve sto nisu ciste jezgre, ostala 4 okolo bi bile samo jezgre(16 svaka), znaci 4*16=64 jezgre/128 dretvi

[The Exiled]

AnandTech ima dosta opširan intervju koji se fino nadovezuje na priču o trenutnim i budućim proizvodnim procesima. AMD je unutar godine dana s novom Zen arhitekturom pokril sve važnije tržišne segmente i pod pretpostavkom da u međuvremenu ne naprave neku žešću glupost, stvarno bi mogli biti (i ostati) konkurentni jedan dulji period.

[Manuel Calavera]

Nisam još pogledao te linkove, no postoji i teorija/leak da bi nasljednik epyca prvo mogao imati 48 jezgri, ista šema kao do sada sa 4 die-a, samo što bi na 7nm napravili ccx sa 6 jezgri umjesto 4, pa bi jedan die imao 12 jezgri × 4. No i to sa petim die zvuči kul i moguće

Samim time bi u teoriji MOŽDA i na AM4 moglo biti moguće 12 jezgri, što se tiče die space, ali nisam siguran dali socket/pinovi to mogu iznijeti. I dalje mislim da će na AM4 ostati na 8c16t do kraja, no ako izvedu na serverima ccx od 6 jezgri, postoji mala šansa za 12c na AM4

[The Exiled]

EPYC 3000 pakiranje ne izgleda puno veće od AM4 1331, a uspjeli su smjestiti dva Zeppelin modula za 16C/32T konfiguraciju, popratni četverokanalni memorijski kontroler, 32MB L3 cache i 64 PCI-E staze. Istinabog taktovi su niski i TDP je 100W, ali to je još uvijek 14nm proizvodni proces. Na temelju toga, pomoću 12nm i 7nm mogu dalje (po potrebi) skalirati Ryzen za mase, tako da ni 12C/24T ili 16C/32T AM4 modeli nisu toliko nemoguća misija. Jasno, ne treba ići u krajnosti bezveze, pogotovo kad su do jučer 2C/4T, 4C/4T i 4C/8T modeli bili alfa i omega srednjeg tržištnog segmenta, ali zanimljivo je pogledati na koje sve načine mogu iskoristiti taj modularni dizajn novih procesora.

[Manuel Calavera]

Teško je reći sve dok nije na tom socketu. No određene šanse postoje.

A imaš i taj element smislenosti što kažeš - koliko im ima smisla forsirati više od 8c16t, kad je do jučer 4 jezgre bilo "all that you need". IMO važnije im je od sad pa nadalje forsirat IPC i clockove, za mainstream naravno, zilijun jezgri za server je druga priča i tu mogu samo profitirati. No treba uzet u obzir da će vjerojatno i intel preći na MCM pakete jednog dana

[The Exiled]

Kaj se tiče IPC napretka i takta, GlobalFoundries CTO u AnandTech intervjuu priča da je 7nm proces na dobrom putu da bude korišten za masovnu proizvodnju krajem ove ili početkom sljedeće godine.

U odnosu na dosadašnjih 14nm očekuju 40% porast performansi i taktove u rangu od 5GHz. Svakak obećavajuće, pogotovo ako se stvarno i obestini.

[Gigi1]

Zen 7nm ce se stancati u tsmc, glofo 7nm je za vege, mozda nekad kasnije kad bude dovoljno ispeglan posluzi za zen 2/3

Intel da bi presao na mcm mora promjenit arch, a po roadmapu se jos drze jezerca i dok ih se drze vjerojatno nis od mcm kod intela, jos kad se uzme u obzir da im 10nm kaska i kasni nije dobro biti brian k.

[The Exiled]

Prema ovome (1 - 2), 7nm Zen 2 će i dalje biti primarno vezan uz GlobalFoundries, dok će za 7nm Vegu koristiti podjednako TSMC i GlobalFoundries fabove.

[Manuel Calavera]

Vidjet ćemo, postoji i jedna i druga priča. Koliko se sjećam AMD ima u onim prepravljenim ugovorima sa GloFo klauzulu prema kojoj mogu koristiti node od drugih kompanija ako im GloFo u tom trenutku ne može ponuditi ekvivalentan node (ili dovoljne količine), pa bi zen 2 mogao završiti na onome koji bude prvi spreman, a zasad vodi TSMC. Svejedno ne očekujem zen 2 u ovoj godini

[The Exiled]

Da, Zen 2 ne ide ove godine, ali sudeći prema ovome kaj su dosad izjavili, napravili, predstavili i naposljetku plasirali na tržište - izgleda da im zasad stvari idu po planu.

[Manuel Calavera]

Navodno je gotov skroz, samo se čeka 7nm node na koji će ga staviti.

[Gigi1]

Autor The Exiled

Prema ovome (1 - 2), 7nm Zen 2 će i dalje biti primarno vezan uz GlobalFoundries, dok će za 7nm Vegu koristiti podjednako TSMC i GlobalFoundries fabove.

da - tako je trebalo biti no zadnje info govore zen2 u tsmc zbog zrelijeg procesa.

kako god da se okrene amd se dobro osigurao i ako lose krene na jednoj fronti lako se prebace na drugu(glofo/tsmc i obrnuto)

ugl. baba zmaj preporodila kompaniju, što bi se reklo - sad imaju glavu i rep


canardpc koji je imao tocne info o zen1 dugo prije svih je objavio slijedece:

The final piece to the puzzle comes with respect to L3 cache, and this marks another significant upgrade. Current EPYC processors feature 2MB of L3 cache per core, with the current 32-core EPYC 7551P featuring 64MB of total L3 cache. The leak from Canard PC Hardware suggests that this figure will quadruple, with 64-core processors serving as home to 256MB of L3 cache.

256MB L3 cache