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Staro 12.07.2019., 18:35   #2791
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Ti si kontradikicija samog sebe,ti bi jeftino a dobro a intel neda pa neznas vise staces smh,da nije ryzena kupovalo bi se stari refresh star 10 g. i dan dns.

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Staro 12.07.2019., 18:51   #2792
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Ti si kontradikicija samog sebe,ti bi jeftino a dobro a intel neda pa neznas vise staces smh,da nije ryzena kupovalo bi se stari refresh star 10 g. i dan dns.

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Staro 12.07.2019., 18:54   #2793
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Bolje nam je objasnio nego AMD rižinim vojnicima, svake godine novi CPU a stari za kiriki
Lolaj se ti koliko hoćeš, činjenica je da bi bez Babe Su gledao svoj proc samo na slikama, jer bi ti plavci prodavali 6-core za 3000 kn lol. Onda bi ti mozda neki i3 2c/4t bio budget gaming king lol.
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Staro 12.07.2019., 19:04   #2794
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Plavci su taj proc prije par godina prodavali po 1400 kn i to sa integriranom grafom i5 8400, ali zbog silne navale i nestašice podigli cijene, da malo pomognu konkurenciji jer monopol je zakonom zabranjen. Skoro su ih podijelili na više firmi, bolje ovako...
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Staro 12.07.2019., 19:07   #2795
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Samo malo, vi ste prenesli fajt iz one teme koju smo ključali u nedjelju i samo nastavili gdje ste stali?

OK, želi li netko do 01.09. odmor od foruma, jer vidim da od sparine pišete nebuloze smatram da ste se dosta iskajlali i da bi bilo dosta mećanja. Sve dalje u tom ritmu brišem i dijelim regres
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Staro 12.07.2019., 22:02   #2796
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Dajte ne zatrpavajte ovaj thread glupavim prepucavanjem, svi znamo da Ryzen rastura u multithreadu a Intel u singlethreadu i igrama. Pogledajte opis mog računala, u CS:GO imam oko 300 FPS, mislim da je to i više nego dovoljno za ugodnu igru. A o potrebama korisnika neću raspravljati jer mislim da je važnije imati optimalno složen sistem nego se prepucavati čiji je CPU "veći"...
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Staro 13.07.2019., 03:10   #2797
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kakva je situacija sa 4.0 ssd?

bum dobil kaj ako uzmem x570 plocu i taj novi ssd ili se to nebu nigdje u praksi vidlo?
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Staro 13.07.2019., 06:21   #2798
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Ovo je za amd temu upit, a odgovor ovisi o tome kaj radiš na kompu.

Ako ti je brzina bitna u raid 0 konfiguraciji na x570 sa 4 ssd pcie 4.0 diska mozes imati brzine ekvivalent ddr4 2133MHz, neki bi dali lijevo jaje za takvo što.

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Staro 17.07.2019., 19:49   #2799
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Intel expects 7nm to be ready in two years
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10nm is an undeniable stain on Intel's reputation, arriving so late that it has moved from being a joke to become a major concern for the company. With the release of their 14nm manufacturing process, Intel was years ahead of competing foundries, but now both TSMC and Samsung caught up. Today, AMD has 7nm desktop-grade processors available on store shelves while Intel is merely shipping 10nm mobile chips to notebook makers. We will note that TSMC's 7nm process is a competitor to Intel's 10nm process. That said it's also worth noting that high power desktop-grade silicon is harder to produce than low power mobile processors. Moving forward, Intel's CEO, Bob Swan, has confirmed that the company plans to have their next-generation 7nm process ready in two years.

7nm is currently set to deliver a 2x increase in silicon density and a 4x decrease in design rules, making their future chips smaller and easier to design. This move will make 10nm a shortlived node for Intel, at least when compared to 14nm, which has seen its lifespan stretched to its limits as 10nm suffered from delay after delay. Swan blamed Intel's 10nm delays on overambition, stating that the node was "too aggressive". At a time where process node shrinks were becoming harder, Intel set a design target that was more ambitious than ever before. This set up Intel for disaster. Intel's planned 7nm process will utilise EUV technology and is due to be production-ready in 2021 alongside Intel's refined 10nm++ process. Intel's long-awaited dedicated graphics cards are likely to be amongst the company's initial 7nm offerings.
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Staro 26.07.2019., 00:13   #2800
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Staro 27.07.2019., 04:44   #2801
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Staro 27.07.2019., 09:28   #2802
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Slab je to drugi dolazak, zbog niskih yieldova i niskog takta jedino ih mogu u mobilo tržište pakirati, i to do max 4 jezgre.

Amd ce i na mobilnom podrucju imati superiorniji oroizvod kroz 9/10mj.kad puste 7nm ryzene, samo je pitanje koliko dugo ih mogu intelove plave kuverte holdati kod oem-ova.
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Staro 27.07.2019., 13:33   #2803
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Pa i piše da su "mobilne" verzije

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to reach the market inside mobile PCs by the holiday season.
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coming to market with 9W, 15W, and 28W TDP variants.
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Staro 30.07.2019., 20:34   #2804
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Examining Intel's Ice Lake Processors: Taking a Bite of the Sunny Cove Microarchitecture
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Intel’s big statement is that Sunny Cove, a 2019 product, offers 18% more instructions per clock against Skylake, a 2015 product. First is the 18% increase over four years – that’s the equivalent to a 4.2% compound annual growth rate.
If we compare Ice Lake to Whiskey Lake, we see only a +3.5% increase in single threaded performance. For a generation-on-generation increase, that’s even lower than the four-year CAGR from Skylake.
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Sva sreća da Ian Cutress ima doktorat, jer za ovaj Intelov čušpajz ništa manje ne dolazi u obzir.

Ne da su se zakomplicirali do te mjere da vrlo vjerojatno ni sami ne kuže kaj točno namjeravaju plasirati na tržište, nego ovo dragi Isus Bog ne poveže u smislenu cjelinu.

U današnjoj TL;DR epizodi - nVidia ih ne *ebe ni 5%.

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Kaj se tiče Intelovih GPU planova, sudeći po ex-AMD/ATi/RTG ekipi koja se okupila oko tog projekta - i taj dio priče bi se mogel odigrati slično ko i CPU verzija. U prijevodu, Intel GPU bi sasvim lako mogel jako sličiti sadašnjim Vega i MI60 karticama, samo naravno Intelov marketing će to (kao i za procesore) zapakirati i prezentirati kao njihovu ideju i nešto što se dosad nije moglo ni zamisliti. I tu se vraćamo na ono kaj sam u ovakvim osvrtima već nekoliko puta napomenul - nVidia. Kaj god da Intel prezentira kao svoj GPU, nVidia će promptno rastaviti na sastavne dijelove i prije nego krene prva narudžba. Naravno, pod uvjetom da Intel GPU uopće bude u rangu s Quadro i Tesla modelima. U suprotnome će se Jen-Hsun samo nasmijati i odmahnuti rukom.
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Staro 31.07.2019., 14:01   #2805
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Znači Intel 10nm: manja potrošnja, niži clockovi.
Ajd, barem budemo na 1080p igrali igrice
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Staro 31.07.2019., 14:20   #2806
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Neće se znati što je sa clockovima na desktop 10nm do samog izlaska (2021 god. prema roadmapu ako se ne varam).

Jer ovo što izlazi na laptopu prije toga nam ne može pokazati maximume nodea, a vjerojatno dobro skalira clock i voltaža na nižim clockovima
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Staro 01.08.2019., 17:25   #2807
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Intel 10th gen Ice Lake performance preview


Benčmarci krenu oko 3:40


Što se tiče cpu strane - tresla se brda rodio se miš, "trading blows" sa whiskey lakeom, barem dok gpu i quicksync ne dođu na red, onda nova gpu pomete (oko duplo jača od dosadašnjih igpu, više nego duplo u sintetici, manje od duplog u gamingu), također i avx512
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Staro 21.08.2019., 18:22   #2808
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Intel launches new Comet Lake 10th Gen mobile processors with up to 6 Cores + LPDDR4X memory
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Today, Intel is launching more 10th Gen processors. Those processors, however, are not based 10 nanometer Ice Lake but instead what’s essentially another 14 nanometer refresh – with a minor twist. Intel says that over 90 designs are on their way to hitting retail shelves for the holiday season this year. When comparing the two 10th Gen architectures, Intel is positioning Comet Lake above Ice Lake when it comes to productivity tasks. They clock much higher and Intel is offering up to six cores with Comet Lake. Likewise, Ice Lake is positioned slightly below Comet Lake in the product stack with only up to four cores and slightly lower frequencies – albeit on improved Sunny Cove cores – but with a new I/O Thunderbolt 3 subsystem and a fairly powerful integrated graphics. Comet Lake is very much another refresh, building on top of Whiskey Lake U. Intel’s low-power processors for this generation are going to be a mix of both 14nm parts based on their venerable Skylake CPU architecture, as well as 10nm Ice Lake parts incorporating Intel’s new Sunny Cove CPU architecture, with the 14nm Comet Lake parts filling in the gaps that Ice Lake alone can’t meet.

Comet Lake-S with 10 cores and LGA-1200 for early 2020
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After the presentation of the mobile variants aka Comet Lake-U and Comet Lake-Y, more details on the desktop version have surfaced. This is once more the talk of models with up to ten cores, which is likely to be one of the distinguishing feature of the Comet Lake-S processors. The power consumption is listed at 35, 65 and 125W - similar to what we currently see at Coffee Lake-S. Another important innovation is likely to be the platform on which Comet Lake-S will operate. As with the mobile variants, Intel refers to the chipset as one of the 400 series and also the socket is a new: LGA-1200. So, if you want to change to Comet Lake-S, you'll need a new motherboard - but that too had already come out in the past few months. Comet Lake-S is almost entirely based on the Skylake architecture, and accordingly, there will not be much performance leaps in the individual cores. Presumably, Intel will be able to turn something on the clock screw by a continuously improved manufacturing in 14nm - which it should have been. In any case, there are no changes in the number of PCI Express lanes that are made available directly via the processor. Here it stays with 16 PCI Express 3.0 lanes. Also, the memory controller, Intel has apparently not touched, because it is still spoken by dual-channel DDR4-2666. In the case of the mobile variants Comet Lake-U and Comet Lake-Y, however, Intel made changes to the memory controller because the U variants now support LPDDR4-2933, which was not expected in this form.

Cascade Lake-X Core i9 10000X HEDT for LGA-2066 listed - 18 cores, but 48 PCIe lanes
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Of course, everybody knows that Core i9 10000 X-Series is inbound as Intel has been talking about it ever since Computex, but this is the first appearance in a spec page of it. Interesting is that it is noted as a 48 lane PCIe 3.0 CPU, yes 3.0. The current top model Core i9 9980XE has 44 PCIe-lanes for the flagship model. So that's four more lanes from the processor. The 10000 series, with up to 18 cores, is based on Cascade Lake-X, which is a derivative Skylake-X at 14nm process. Thus far Intel has not made clear yet if the new processors are hardened for the recent vulnerabilities. If they are re-using a revamped Skylake-X architecture, that'll probably be the case. Intel will also be bumping up default memory frequency support towards DDR4-2933. The document also mentions that a second m.2 slot works with a 'Core i9 10000 X-Series' processor, meaning. So Intel added four more lanes just for full speed x4 PCIe Gen3 M2 support. You will have noticed the new naming, Intel now is using five digits for their future model numbers much like the comet lake laptop procs announced earlier this week.
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Staro 24.08.2019., 17:35   #2809
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Evo ponavlja se glasina i o desktop comet lakeu

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-co...lga1200-socket

I dalje skylake arch i 14nm, samo će postojat i 10 core opcija

I novi socket...
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Staro 24.08.2019., 17:43   #2810
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Ono kaj je meni fascinantno je nečija marketinška odluka da je sve deseta generacija i tak jasno, automaCki odmah imaju Core iX-10000 oznaku. 10nm 10th Gen Core iX-10000
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Staro 24.08.2019., 23:55   #2811
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Nebih se iznenadio da ice lake uopće ne dođe na desktop, kao što nije došao ni cannon lake, a bio je izdan na laptop tržište (dok je na desktop izdan refresh kaby). Podsjeća na ovu situaciju
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Tak vrlo vjerojatno i bude, kad već sad imaju spremnu novu Skylake iteraciju za mainstream i HEDT segmente, dok je 10nm izdan u mobilnom izdanju reda-radi.
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Staro 25.08.2019., 15:54   #2814
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Tak vrlo vjerojatno i bude, kad već sad imaju spremnu novu Skylake iteraciju za mainstream i HEDT segmente, dok je 10nm izdan u mobilnom izdanju reda-radi.

Vjerojatno 2021 god. na desktopu budu odmah išli na tiger lake, a do tad će gurati ovo što imaju (node i arch)
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Da, dok istovremeno za 2021. planiraju 7nm koji bude išel paralelno uz 10nm++, pa bi opet mogla biti repriza sadašnje situacije u kojoj se sve (staro i novo) stavlja pod istu kapu.
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Intel sourgrapes AMD's creator performance leadership with laughably dubious data
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Intel as part of its IFA Berlin client-segment presentation resorted to some very juvenile marketing tactics, inviting criticism from noted PC enthusiast Der8auer. Intel scampered to reclaim its market position in the PC gaming space with the announcement of the Core i9-9900KS 8-core processor, which armed with a 5.00 GHz all-core Turbo Boost frequency, is expected to cement the company's gaming performance leadership. The company didn't leave it at that, and went on to attack AMD's creator performance leadership. Der8auer observed something curious about a few slides in particular that Intel used to discredit AMD's high-end desktop processors, relating to its Creator performance as tested in Maxon Cinema 4D. Intel claimed that AMD cannot use CineBench data to represent "real-world" performance as "only 0.22 percent" of users polled by Intel's "Software Improvement Program" respondents use it. And who are these respondents? Close to 11 million _all_ notebook and tablet users, a majority of whom have Software Improvement Program part of OEM bloatware. This, according to Der8auer, is fundamentally dishonest on Intel's part as Maxon 4D is less likely to be used on portable computers, and more likely on premium desktops or HEDTs. You can watch Der8auer's vlog.
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Ovo je tak jasno sasvim slučajno završilo na Internetima, netom prije Ryzen 9 3950X i novih Threadripper modela.
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Ovo znači samo jednu stvar : desktop 10nm je jaaako daleko.
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Čak je i bolje od "Glued-together" eskapade. Kaj se desktop 10nm dijelova tiče - ode voz taman u vrijeme kad je prolazila baba s kolačima.
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Iz takvih stvari je očito da su u Intelu nervozni. Prvo je zen "glued together" pa onda i oni najave takvu arhitekturu za par godina kad nadođu, zatim kao dio marketinške kampanje za serverske procesore spominju gaming pa sad izvlače statistiku od mobilnih korisnika i šikaniraju taj cinebench, a prije ryzena je bio glavni benchmark, mjerilo za sve...
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