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Staro 29.08.2024., 17:52   #6811
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Koliko ja vidim to je polovno napajanje, piše gore desno "Buy used".

Primjetio sam na dosta artikala na amazonu u zadnje vrijeme da prodaju korištene artikle i to uopće nije jasno naznačeno nego skoro pa skriveno.
To je stvarno ciganije teška i ne zna šta uopće prodaju korištene artikle??
Ako sam došao nešto kupiti na amazon onda logično hoću novo, a taj njihov "polovni" program treba ići na zaseban sajt.
Bilo je isto napajanje danas na Mindfactory za istih 87€, ali naravno novo. Slažem se da je ovo skrivanje "korištenog" od Amazona baš teška ciganija.
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Staro 29.08.2024., 18:19   #6812
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Na Mindu je 750W verzija, a ovo je 850W. Ovaj na Amazonu ima nekoliko manjih ogrebotina na sebi što i nije toliko tragično.
Ima i na Mindu polovnih stvari pod rubrikom SchnappShop.
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Staro 29.08.2024., 18:20   #6813
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Koliko ja vidim to je polovno napajanje, piše gore desno "Buy used".

Primjetio sam na dosta artikala na amazonu u zadnje vrijeme da prodaju korištene artikle i to uopće nije jasno naznačeno nego skoro pa skriveno.
To je stvarno ciganije teška i ne zna šta uopće prodaju korištene artikle??
Ako sam došao nešto kupiti na amazon onda logično hoću novo, a taj njihov "polovni" program treba ići na zaseban sajt.
Ujutro nije bio Used, već NEW. Cijena 92.43€
Prodavač je sam Amazon (ne Amazon returnkauf)

Također je pisalo da prvih 600 kupaca ima i 5€ kupon.
Ja sam platio NEW 92.43-5€, 87,43€



Sada NEW više nemaju na stanju, već samo USED, tako da to nemojte kupovati.
Kada je kroz pola sata nakon moje narudžbe nestalo 600 kupona od 5€ za ovaj proizvod, očito imaju previše narudžbi pa više nemaju NEW na stanju.

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Staro 29.08.2024., 18:26   #6814
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Na Mindu je 750W verzija, a ovo je 850W. Ovaj na Amazonu ima nekoliko manjih ogrebotina na sebi što i nije toliko tragično.
Ima i na Mindu polovnih stvari pod rubrikom SchnappShop.

Bila je i 850W verzija ujutro, možda je bila greška, ali je bila sigurno: https://www.mydealz.de/deals/850-wat...0-gold-2416290
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Staro 29.08.2024., 18:26   #6815
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Ujutro nije bio Used, već NEW. Cijena 92.43€
Prodavač je sam Amazon (ne Amazon returnkauf)

Sada NEW više nemaju na stanju, već samo USED, tako da to nemojte kupovati.
Znači ovo je tek tragedija.
Ti si okačio link kad je bio novi proizvod na akciji, a oni su suptilno u toku dana taj isti proizvod samo promjenili na 'used'.
Toliko o njemcima, zapadu i dobroj trgovačkoj poslovnoj praksi, ovo ni našima ne bi palo na pamet :facepalm:
Ubuduće treba dobro paziti kad se tamo nešto kupuje.
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Ago je bacio ss pa se vidi.
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Staro 29.08.2024., 18:27   #6817
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Jutros su bili novi proizvodi kad je Ago postao link

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Staro 29.08.2024., 22:35   #6818
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Došao mi je onaj reman Exos 16TB koji sam nedavno bio linkao na amazonu za 167€ + 10€ moj dio od mailboxa.
Evo ga SMART: https://i.imgur.com/ZsbNw1g.png

Dakle, ovo moje uključivanje danas mu je bilo i prvo u životu. Stavio sam kopirati kakvih 1TB mješovitih podataka na njega, brzina za sada gravitira oko 190MiB/s. Imam još jednog Exosa od 6TB, ovaj je bogami puno tiši. Dok sam ga formatirao je puštao malo čudnije zvukove, ali sada tokom pisanja samo lagano bućka. Radna temperatura 46°C, okolna valjda 30 mamicu joj milu
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Staro 30.08.2024., 00:14   #6819
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Došao mi je onaj reman Exos 16TB koji sam nedavno bio linkao na amazonu za 167€ + 10€ moj dio od mailboxa.
Evo ga SMART: https://i.imgur.com/ZsbNw1g.png

Dakle, ovo moje uključivanje danas mu je bilo i prvo u životu. Stavio sam kopirati kakvih 1TB mješovitih podataka na njega, brzina za sada gravitira oko 190MiB/s. Imam još jednog Exosa od 6TB, ovaj je bogami puno tiši. Dok sam ga formatirao je puštao malo čudnije zvukove, ali sada tokom pisanja samo lagano bućka. Radna temperatura 46°C, okolna valjda 30 mamicu joj milu
hoces reci da nije refurbished?

akcija je jos uvijek tu:-)

@mkey kako to da nisi uzeo za 150€ novi sa garancijom ali 8TB? WD purple? kockar u duši?
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Staro 30.08.2024., 00:39   #6820
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I ako jest, imat će resetiranu SMART tablicu.
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Staro 30.08.2024., 00:42   #6821
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I ako jest, imat će resetiranu SMART tablicu.
tako i pise na recenzijama... upravo pogledao... da neznas kakav je disk užase prosao...

"The drive came with every SMART values ​​wiped so no idea about the hdds history. It's usable, done a full surface test and no bad sectors detected. The only issue I see is that during the surface test accumulated 199m read and 91k seek error. These should be 0 for a new drive and get worse over time. No idea about the probable lifespan of these refurbished drives.
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Staro 30.08.2024., 00:42   #6822
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Načelno je refurbished, kao takvog ga prodaju. Nema znakova fizičkog oštećenja a SMART pokazuje to što pokazuje. Odradio je tih 1TB u cca sat i 15. Zvukovi su bili normalni, radna temperature je došla do 51°C, exos se koliko znam više griju. A sad, je li netko sredio odometar, to ne znam.
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Staro 30.08.2024., 01:09   #6823
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U ova pokvarena vremena ne vjerujem da bi davali novog pod refurbish.

Kakva mu je naljepnica? Službeni od proizvođača koji dolaze kao refurbish imaju drugačiju naljepnicu (bijelu) i gore piše 'Recertified product'. Takvi se recimo dobivaju kao zamjena za disk koji si poslao na RMA. I diskovi uredno dolaze sa resetiranim SMART-om. Bar je meni tako bilo.
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Staro 30.08.2024., 09:41   #6824
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kako se resetira smart?ja sam mislio da to nije moguce
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Staro 30.08.2024., 11:43   #6825
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kako se resetira smart?ja sam mislio da to nije moguce

Na WDovima možeš softverski, na Seagate ti treba USB-TTL kabel od 2 dolara. Samo ne bih baš išao u detalje jer bi se moglo naći ekipe koja će razvaljene diskove resetirati i prodavati kao nove. Uglavnom polovne diskove sa par dana u SMARTu izbjegavam, ako nema barem 30 dana onda je nešto sumnjivo.
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Staro 30.08.2024., 13:20   #6826
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mene vise zanima da li trebam izmbjeci tog od 16TB za 166 eura refurbished ili 8Tb za 160 novoga...


btw, jel netko naletio na msata 512 + ssd povoljno za kupiti?
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Staro 30.08.2024., 14:33   #6827
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Rasprava o akcijama, popustima i super niskim cijena-isključivo informatička oprema!

Dva refurb enterprise diska vjerojatno bolje štite podatke nego jedan novi

Jednom davno sam složio RAID-Z2 od šest odbačenih diskova koji su imali bad blockove, pending sektore…. Kako su diskovi ispadali iz polja tako sam ih mijenjao za druge neispravne diskove. Imao sam dvije kutije takvih. Scrub je išao svaku noć. Bilo je ljeto a u uredu 30ak stupnjeva kada bi ugasili klime nakon radnog vremena.

Izrotirao sam valjda 50ak diskova u mjesec dana. Izgubio sam samo tri recorda u dva filea.

S potpuno neispravnim diskovima od početka s poljem koje je 99% vremena u DEGRADED statusu havarija je bila minimalna.

Drugim riječima, radije kupim dva ispravna refurb diska nego jedan ispravan.
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Staro 30.08.2024., 14:38   #6828
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Dva refurb enterprise diska vjerojatno bolje štite podatke nego jedan novi

Jednom davno sam složio RAID-Z2 od šest odbačenih diskova koji su imali bad blockove, pending sektore…. Kako su diskovi ispadali iz polja tako sam ih mijenjao za druge neispravne diskove. Imao sam dvije kutije takvih. Scrub je išao svaku noć. Bilo je ljeto a u uredu 30ak stupnjeva kada bi ugasili klime nakon radnog vremena.

Izrotirao sam valjda 50ak diskova u mjesec dana. Izgubio sam samo tri recorda u dva filea.

S potpuno neispravnim diskovima od početka s poljem koje je 99% vremena u DEGRADED statusu havarija je bila minimalna.

Drugim riječima, radije kupim dva ispravna refurb diska nego jedan ispravan.

lako tako dok firma trpi..(placa struju za diskove i za klimu, te slusalice za buku:-) te jos k tomu source-a diskove
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Uzmeš refurbished taj pošto je upola jeftiniji od novog, napraviš puni write+read test, zna potrajati 40+ sati, ako ne nađe bad sectore onda je OK, koristiš normalno kao i novi.
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jel tko zainteresiran za:
Western Digital Purple tvrdi disk, 8 TB, SATA3, 5640 rpm, 128 MB
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Kakva mu je naljepnica? Službeni od proizvođača koji dolaze kao refurbish imaju drugačiju naljepnicu (bijelu) i gore piše 'Recertified product'. Takvi se recimo dobivaju kao zamjena za disk koji si poslao na RMA. I diskovi uredno dolaze sa resetiranim SMART-om. Bar je meni tako bilo.
Bijela naljepnica na kojoj piše recertified, tako je na ovom mom. Ovaj disk je došao zapakiran u kutiju od 4060 izvrnutu naopako Moj plan je opteretiti ga narednih dana, pa ako će krepati neka ide natrag. Mislim da je s obzirom na cijenu rizik prihvatljiv, naročito kada kod diskova rizik uvijek postoji. Ovo što je jučer pokazao mislim da disk nikako i definitivno nije krš. Ove koji resetiraju SMART nataknem na k.
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Staro 31.08.2024., 00:02   #6832
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lako tako dok firma trpi..(placa struju za diskove i za klimu, te slusalice za buku:-) te jos k tomu source-a diskove
ne cini mi se bas elegantno rijesenje

To nije bila produkcija nego test. Htjeli smo vidjeti kako ZFS hendla takve scenarije a pokvarenih diskova se nakupilo pa se moglo.

A ako firma od 600+ ljudi trpi zbog jednog PCja sa šest diskova onda može odmah ključ u bravu.
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Staro 02.09.2024., 12:27   #6833
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I Amazon ima Osmo 3 na dobrom popustu, samo je pitanje brzine isporuke

https://www.amazon.de/Osmo-Action-St...s%2C138&sr=8-3
Kliknuo i uzeo, sve skupa €183,81 iako nisam siguran da će biti nešto od toga:
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 Dear Amazon Customer,

We’re writing to inform you that certain product(s) that you’ve recently purchased are no longer available for sale:

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DJI Osmo Action 3 Standard-Combo - Action-Cam mit 4K HDR und superweitem Sichtfeld, 10-Bit Farbtiefe, HorizonSteady, wasserdicht, kältebeständig und langlebig, Vlog-Kamera für YouTube

Please know we have canceled the item from your order, and you have not been charged for this item.
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Staro 02.09.2024., 13:05   #6834
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Frend je triput kupovao neki stol na amazonu i prednarucivao pixel mobitele i sve mu je odreda na takav nacin otkazano. Nema roka isporuke, ceka ceka, i dodje otkaz narudzbe.

A isporuka na mailbox ide u roku par dana sto njemu ne odgovara jer uzima na firmu.
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Jeate sigurni da ne moze na firmu jer amazon ima billing i delivery adress odvojeno?
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Staro 02.09.2024., 13:26   #6836
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On godinama tamo kupuje za ured i sebe, pa vjerujem da zna sto radi, ne bi se stel mesati. Pricao sam mu vec o mailboxu. Ima neke veze oko pdv-a, pravdanja istog ili kupovine bez pdv-a, iskreno, ne znam u detalje jer nisam u tim vodama :/
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Dada sad sam vidio colop mi je objasnio tamo, bitno je di se shippa
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Možeš ti Mailbox uzeti na firmu pa Amazon preusmjeriti na njega.
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Možeš ti Mailbox uzeti na firmu pa Amazon preusmjeriti na njega.

Hm, nisam znao da je to moguće (mailbox), ali me živo zanima što je onda sa računima koje ti izdaje amazon?


Znači kada uzimaš na firmu sa sjedištem u RH, a upisan si u VIES i imaš PDV ID broj europski, tebi piše PDV 0, jer se stvari shipaju u RH, i tamo će se oporezivati sa PDV-om.


A kad šipaš na mailbox, ti šalješ ustvari u DE, i trebalo bi primjeniti njihov PDV.
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Kao što sam i mislio ništa od toga:
Mislim da kroz koji tjedan izlazi Osmo action 5, pa će ti i četvorka biti na popustu. Vjerojatno su ih zato brzo rasprodali.

Za firme je Mailbox.de nepotrebna komplikacija zbog povrata PDV-a kad se naručuje sa amazon.de... Treba naći sličnu uslugu u austriji i onda nema problema
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