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Staro 05.04.2011., 14:04   #2221
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Poz, uzeo sam ovaj laptop

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Sad me zivcira jedna stvar imam osjecaj da ima dosta los hard disk (svakih malo malo onako ko da zablokira i zavrti se ko lod), pa me zanima jel ja mogu u njega ubaciti jos jedan disk po mogucnosti neki SSD (jest da neznam puno na sta bi s tim dobio), ako se nevaram na njega bi stavio WIN i Autocad i programe koji bi puno bolje radili a na ovom disku-u bi samo spremo podatke. Znaci jel moguce staviti SSD na ovaj laptopi može neka preporuka SSD-a nekog jeftinijeg
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Poz, uzeo sam ovaj laptop

DELL DI7010LMCWW32HF5GBC6B "Notebook DELL Inspiron N7010(P08E) 17.3"" LED Backlight (1600x900) TFT, Core i5 Mobile 480M, DDR3 4GB, DVD±RW, ATI Mobility Radeon HD5470 1GB, Wi-Fi, BT, 500GB HDD, Web Cam, HDMI, 6 cells, Free DOS, Croatian Keyboard, Black

Sad me zivcira jedna stvar imam osjecaj da ima dosta los hard disk (svakih malo malo onako ko da zablokira i zavrti se ko lod), pa me zanima jel ja mogu u njega ubaciti jos jedan disk po mogucnosti neki SSD (jest da neznam puno na sta bi s tim dobio), ako se nevaram na njega bi stavio WIN i Autocad i programe koji bi puno bolje radili a na ovom disku-u bi samo spremo podatke. Znaci jel moguce staviti SSD na ovaj laptopi može neka preporuka SSD-a nekog jeftinijeg

Moguce je stavit.. e sad.. jel ces morat vadit postojeci disk..to neznam...
a sto se tiice preporuke... koliko love imas... takav kupis... nema tu neke posebne preporuke...
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Staro 05.04.2011., 19:07   #2223
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Svi koji imaju SSD a nisu stavljali friški sistem,potrebno je prevrtiti
Windows Experience Index da mu dodjeli veću ocjenu i optimizira keširanje.

Ako vam je index na 5.9 ! to je znak da nije dobro raspoznao disk i tretira ga kao HDD.
Potrebno je ručno ugasiti servis SUPERFETCH (Administrativni alati->Servisi-> Superfetch DISABLED).
Nakon toga ponovo prevrtiti Windows Experience Index,koji bi trebao skočiti od 7.5 do 7.7).
Tek tada će windowsi pravilno tretirati SSD !
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Staro 05.04.2011., 19:29   #2224
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Treba pričekati Z6X ploče koje će uvesti novi feat u windowse preko Intel RST-a a to je SSD caching .
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ng,2888-3.html

Biti će to veliki korak prema iskoristivosti SSD-a u kombinaciji sa HDD.

Ako zbog ičega drugog onda će zbog tog SSD CACHING-a Z čipset biti vrlo tražena roba
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Staro 05.04.2011., 19:48   #2225
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Svi koji imaju SSD a nisu stavljali friški sistem,potrebno je prevrtiti
Windows Experience Index da mu dodjeli veću ocjenu i optimizira keširanje.

Ako vam je index na 5.9 ! to je znak da nije dobro raspoznao disk i tretira ga kao HDD.
Potrebno je ručno ugasiti servis SUPERFETCH (Administrativni alati->Servisi-> Superfetch DISABLED).
Nakon toga ponovo prevrtiti Windows Experience Index,koji bi trebao skočiti od 7.5 do 7.7).
Tek tada će windowsi pravilno tretirati SSD !
SuperFetch osim cachiranja obavlja i neke druge operacije vezane za memory management. I nije preporucljivo disejblati SuperFetch nego iskljuciti runtime cachiranje aplikacija.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\PrefetchParameters

EnablePrefetcher = 0 ili 2 [0 = Iskljuceno / 1 = Aplikacije / 2 = Boot / 3 = Sve]
EnableSuperfetch = 2 ili 2 [0 = Iskljuceno / 1 = Aplikacije / 2 = Boot / 3 = Sve]

Pa eto meni na 3 sistema sa SuperFetch-om enejblanim, registry na 2, score 7.8

A kako provjeriti dal su Windowsi prepoznali disk kao SSD:

Start -> Disk Defragmenter -> Schedule -> Select Disks

Ako u listi nema SSD-a, prepoznat je kao SSD
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Staro 05.04.2011., 19:51   #2226
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Intelove diskove prepoznaje ali Corsair ne (kod mene niti na stolnom računalu niti laptopu nije index bio veći od 5.9 što je znak sistemu za hard caching)
Što se tiće superfetcha on bi trebao biti ugašen od strane sistema kada prepozna da je na SSD-u,ali to se ne događa.
Moguće je da Windowsi ne ugase servis,ali on više ne kešira kao kod HDD-a.
Taj detalj ne znam,ali uglavnom ako je index na 5.9 onda ili gasiti servis ili ovo što ti predlažeš preko registry-a.


Will Superfetch be disabled on SSDs?
Yes, for most systems with SSDs.

If the system disk is an SSD, and the SSD performs adequately on random reads and doesn’t have glaring performance issues with random writes or flushes, then Superfetch, boot prefetching, application launch prefetching, ReadyBoost and ReadDrive will all be disabled.

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Staro 05.04.2011., 20:05   #2227
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Meni su windowsi prepoznali oba intela i C300.

A finta je u tome da SuperFetch servis nece biti ugasen od sistema niti kad je SSD prepoznat, nego bi njegovo cachiranje na SSD disku trebalo biti ugaseno. Korisnik to nece vidjeti niti u servisima niti u registry-ju. Ali eto, mi koji ne vjerujemo Microsoftu , prckamo po registy-ju i disejblamo servise.
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Staro 05.04.2011., 21:59   #2228
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Intel SSD Toolbox isto izricito trazi da se disablea.
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Staro 08.04.2011., 01:32   #2229
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Evo što kaže msdn o ulozi prefetch i superfetch.

PREFETCH-a tool that loads application data into memory before it is demanded.

SUPERFETCH-Superfetch improves on Prefetch by monitoring which applications you use the most and preloading those into your system memory so that they are ready when you need them.
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Ostavit kako je, disejblat ili stavit 0/2 u registry?

Sve je to na kraju na tebi. Misljenja su ionako podjeljena gdje god pogledas..

Ja recimo imam 2 u registry-ju (enejblano za boot). Ionako je pretesko za testirat ako bi nesto drugo bilo bolje ili losije

Zanimljivo stivo ("malo" bolje od MSDNa):
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m...stakernel.aspx pod Memory Priorities i SuperFetch, a i sve ostalo.
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Staro 08.04.2011., 20:28   #2231
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imam kingstona m series 80gb koji radi u ide modu, i kad upišem komandu za čekiranje trima (fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify) dobijem rezultat 0.

prema onome što čitam na forumu to znači da trim radi. no kako je to moguće kad mi je u biosu ssd na IDE modu?

pitam jer isto tako čitam da trim radi samo u ahci modu.

isto tako ne mogu instalirati intel rapid storage drivere, jer mi kaže da nemam system requirements za to.

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To sto je DisableDeleteNotify 0 ne znaci da je trim aktivan, nego samo da se salje taj event (signal) - ali na IDE modu to nis ne znaci. Isto tako ako firmware SSD-a ne podrzava trim, opet 0 nista ne znaci.

fsutil behavior set DisableDeleteNotify 1/0, to mozes i sam namjestat kako zelis

a ovo sto nemozes instalirat rst drivere, mozda je povezano s tim dal si u ahci ili ide modu..
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Staro 08.04.2011., 23:52   #2233
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imam kingstona m series 80gb koji radi u ide modu,..
Ako smijem pitat, zasto pobogu u ide modu?
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zato jer mi u ahci modu iz nekog razloga nije htjela radit pržilica i nisam mogao instalirat windowse.

zašto onda svugdje po netu piše da se tako vidi da trim radi?

ima li koji drugi način?

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