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Staro 29.07.2017., 12:16   #1
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AMD "Threadripper/Epyc" Info thread

Da ne drvimo 9 tim procesorima u Ryzen temi, otvorismo novu temu za ove nove zvijeri

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Staro 29.07.2017., 12:40   #2
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ee ovo bi već mogao biti dobar upgrade sa i7 sandya
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Staro 29.07.2017., 12:48   #3
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Staro 29.07.2017., 14:01   #4
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ee ovo bi već mogao biti dobar upgrade sa i7 sandya
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Kad bude jedno 10tak korisnika ovdje, može. Znači nikad

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Staro 29.07.2017., 16:37   #5
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Bome bi. Samo idi prije u banku da ti dozvoljeni minus rastegnu Kad bude jedno 10tak korisnika ovdje, može. Znači nikad

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Bit će netko. Neće baš desetero ali netko će uzeti TRa. Pa evo za njega mali cpu installation procedure
Tresle bi mi se ruke ko Miletu koji pije ispred trgovine, rukovanje s 999€!
Skoro pa treba inžinjerska titula za ugraditi zvijer
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Staro 29.07.2017., 16:40   #6
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Ma nije zajebano, ubaci se u tu plastiku i bog te veseli. Prije bi netko sjebao ove manje cpu-e sa pinovima, ali i to zajebe je ono...
Jedino ako dobiješ mbo sa savijenim pinovima ako si baksuz.
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Staro 29.07.2017., 17:53   #7
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Planira li tko kupit threadrippera?
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Staro 29.07.2017., 18:28   #8
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Možda Lewis ili tako neko tko ima koristiti od toliko jezgri.

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Staro 29.07.2017., 22:25   #9
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Staro 30.07.2017., 00:36   #10
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AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X 16 Core HEDT Processor Benchmarked – 30% Faster Than Similar Priced Core i9-7900X in Cinebenchch

Inače već se nalaze u prodaji kroz OEM konfiguracije, pojedinačno 10.08.

Odlično skaliranje sam primjetio na ovim AM4 ryzenima, ali je odlično i na multi die threadripperima tj. nema nikakvih posljedica

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In multi-threaded tests, the chip scored almost twice the points as the 8 core Ryzen 7 1800X. The Ryzen Threadripper 1950X got a score of 8945.9 while the Ryzen 7 1800X got a score of 4542. This shows that the 16 core chip scales almost 100% in core performance from the 8 core part and that is fantastic to see.

Zadnje izmijenjeno od: Manuel Calavera. 30.07.2017. u 00:52.
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Staro 30.07.2017., 01:31   #11
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Staro 31.07.2017., 07:59   #12
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Staro 31.07.2017., 08:36   #13
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Da recimo TR nema 2 dummy diea za 8 core bi znacilo da je po dieu disejblano 6 jezgri, pa tko normalan bi to radio sa viokim yieldom, R3 ima disejblano 4 jezgre-to je vec puno a cekali ga pol god duze.
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Staro 31.07.2017., 09:45   #14
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Da, 8 core ziher nije 1+1 po die-u. Uglavnom valjda ćemo saznati u recenzijama, pcper i slični uvjek napišu takve stvari
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Staro 31.07.2017., 12:02   #15
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Dvije (po dijagonali) funkcionalne jezgre za 1950X, a onda po CCX-u rade preraspodjelu za 1920X i 1900X.
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Just before the Threadripper systems started shipping to reviewers, overclocked der8auer delidded a Threadripper CPU and found four dies under the heatspreader. The assertion was that all were real dies with two of them disabled to give us 16-cores. That would have been a HUGE WASTE if in fact AMD was simply taking the EPYC design and fusing off two dies.

As it turns out, AMD confirmed to us that only two of the dies on that substrate have working transistors on them and the other two are simply blank wafer pieces to help with the structural support of the heatspreader! In otherwords, there are two blank, worthess chunks of silicon on the part to keep the top from caving in. (Note that the two working dies are always going to be diagonal from each other.)
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Treba uzet u obzir princip rada , a TR ima quad ch mem.
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Staro 31.07.2017., 13:23   #17
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Dvije (po dijagonali) funkcionalne jezgre za 1950X, a onda po CCX-u rade preraspodjelu za 1920X i 1900X.

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Just before the Threadripper systems started shipping to reviewers, overclocked der8auer delidded a Threadripper CPU and found four dies under the heatspreader. The assertion was that all were real dies with two of them disabled to give us 16-cores. That would have been a HUGE WASTE if in fact AMD was simply taking the EPYC design and fusing off two dies.

As it turns out, AMD confirmed to us that only two of the dies on that substrate have working transistors on them and the other two are simply blank wafer pieces to help with the structural support of the heatspreader! In otherwords, there are two blank, worthess chunks of silicon on the part to keep the top from caving in. (Note that the two working dies are always going to be diagonal from each other.)

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eto @shar, misterij rijesen - upućeni ljudi su bili u krivu
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Staro 31.07.2017., 13:29   #18
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Znači 16 core izgleda:

(4+4) + ćorak
ćorak + (4+4)

12 core:

(3+3) + ćorak
ćorak + (3+3)

Za 8 core nije još sigurno dali je:

(2+2) + ćorak
ćorak + (2+2)

Ili jedan funkiconalan (4+4) i sve ostalo ćorci. Isplativije bi im bilo (sudeći po yieldovima) uzeti jedan full die, nego koristiti 2 quada
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1900X mora biti (2+2) + (2+2) kombinacija, jer te dvije funkcionalne Ryzen/Zen jezgre spaja Infinity Fabric, koja im omogućava quad-channel pristup memoriji. Ovak svaki Ryzen za sebe ima samo dual-channel. Mada, sudeći po EPYC 7351P modelu, AMD može (ako zatreba) složiti i 16/32 kombinaciju koja ima četiri funkcionalne Ryzen jezgre [(2+2) + (2+2)] + [(2+2) + (2+2)], odnosno dvije jezgre po CCX-u, ali dolazi s octa-channel pristupom memoriji i svim ostalim kaj EPYC platforma donosi. Naravno, sve ovisi o tome kako će Intel reagirati s nadolazećim Skylake-X procesorima, ali AMD (barem iz pokazanog) može bez problema (po potrebi) skalirati Threadripper procesore do 32/64 modela. Pitanje je samo koliko će na taj način htjeti kanibalizirati EPYC.
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Mislim da će threadripperi do zena 3 doći do 32/64, a u sljedećoj generaciji (zen2) će dići na 24/48, uglavnom dozirat će što je logično. To će biti show ako AMD bude na "7nm" a intel na 10nm, jer to intel sigurno neće moći pratiti zbog yieldova bez "infinity fabric" like tehnologije spajanja čipova.

Epyc tj. serverski nakon Napulja (kako li se već zovu - rim, milan) će naravno do tada imati više od 32 jezgre. Ovaj graf otkriva vjerojanto 48 u drugoj generaciji, pa 64 jezgre u trećoj. U mainstreamu (AM4) se mislim neće micati sa 8c16t do samog kraja tj. treće generacije, nemaju ni potrebe.
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Da, Ryzen je ono što je AMD-u trebalo da nakon više od desetljeća od predstavljanja prvih Conroe procesora ponovno bude konkurentan u svim važnijim tržištnim segmentima. S druge strane pak, Intel u usporedbi s AMD-om, jednostavno ima previše novaca i samim time resursa na raspolaganju, da bi ih to toliko smelo da više nisu u stanju parirati, ne samo AMD-u, nego i ostalim proizvođačima.
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Staro 31.07.2017., 15:14   #22
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Jednostavno ne vidim kako će intel na 10nm moći napraviti single 48 core čip, a kamoli 64. Naravno ne moraju imati isti broj jezgri, sa manje mogu biti brži itd., ali bi se fakat velika razlika mogla stvoriti do tada, a još su u prednosti sa memory channelima, pci-e lanesima itd. Još će AMD sve to puno manje koštati, pa što nebi napravili kad mogu
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64c/128t... to 4K monitor treba kupit samo da možeš dignut task menađer da se vide sve jezgre u njemu.

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Staro 31.07.2017., 15:22   #24
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Trebače malo stisnit budžet i umjesto 512gb ram ubaciti 256gb, pa če valda stat velki monitor. Valjda će GTA V tada dobro raditi, iako je AMD
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Staro 01.08.2017., 00:48   #25
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I stand corrected.
Iako je zvučalo logičnije da se ne razbacuju sa materijalom samo tako, no možda se ima pa se može sad kad se financijska situacija blago popravila.
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Entuzijazam otkljucavanja epyc jezgri for free kod TR je ponio ekipu pa je ocekivano da se onda pisu stvari koje naginju na tu stranu - potpuno razumljivo.
Otkad je baba na celu info iz amda su bile generalno tocne i odmjerene, drugi par carapa je tumacenje istih po forumima, portalima itd.
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64c/128t... to 4K monitor treba kupit samo da možeš dignut task menađer da se vide sve jezgre u njemu.

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U windowsima je problem/show cim predjes 64 threada jer onda krece "Processor Groups" od Microsofta i dobar dio aplikacija jednom kad ih pokrenes da rade nesto (recimo render samo krenes i odm aprekines) onda rezerviraju procesor i nemoos vise mjenjati affinity tokom rada jer kaze "Acess Denied" .

to cudo postoji jos od Win7 ali naranvo da su devleoperi zanemarili to pa sad aplikacije imaju taj problem sa dodjelom jezgri tokom rada.

Sto se tice TRa zanimljiv mi je zbog PCI-E lanesa samo moram provo vidjeti neke testove kako radi sa 4 grafe tj. jel to stabilno za 24/7 GPU rendering tj. kakve su ploce/driveri i kak radi sa Nvidiom.
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Staro 01.08.2017., 10:08   #29
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Jeftiniji nego 6900K
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Ali 6900K je boljiji za igrice

No bez zejebancije, cijena je stvarno OK... naravno da je nama "advanced mid-range destop" korisnicima soma eura za proc malo too much, ali eto čabe jezgri za onoga kome treba 16/32. Naspram Intelije, ovo je čabe.

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RAM: G.SKILL Trident Z RGB DDR4-3200 2x8GB (16GB) @ 3200MHz -- 14-14-14-34 @ 1,35V
VGA: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW Gaming 8192MB
HDD: SAMSUNG 960 EVO SSD M.2 ++ SAMSUNG 850 EVO 250GB SSD SATA3 ++ WD Caviar Red 2000GB WD20EFRX ++ WD Caviar Red 2000GB WD20EFRX
OPT: LG GH24NS90
PSU: SEASONIC X-750 (SS-750KM3) 750W 80+Gold Modular
BOX: FRACTAL DESIGN Define R4 Black Pearl Midi Tower
LCD: LG Flatron IPS231P-BN 23" LCD @ 1920x1080
OS1: MICROSOFT Windows 10 Enterprise x64
OS2: MICROSOFT Windows 7 Professional N x64 w/ SP1
OS3: MICROSOFT Windows XP Professional w/ SP3



CPU: INTEL Xeon X5450 E0 Harpertown 3000MHz @ 3000MHz (333x9 @ 1,200V)
CLR: INTEL FOXCONN Stock HSF
MBO: FOXCONN G31MX
RAM: BUFFALO Firestix DDR2-1066 1x1GB ++ KINGSTON ValueRAM DDR2-800 1x2GB (3GB) @ 800MHz -- 6-6-6-18 @ 1,8V
VGA: INTEL G31 OnBoard
HDD: SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.10 160GB ST3160815AS ++ SEAGATE Enterprise ES.2 500GB ST3500320NS
OPT: TSST SH-S223
PSU: FORTRON 250W w/ Active PFC
BOX: MS Apollo Midi Tower
LCD: LG Flatron IPS231P-BN 23" LCD @ 1920x1080
OS1: MICROSOFT Windows XP Professional w/ SP3
OS2: MICROSOFT Windows 7 Professional N 32bit w/ SP1
OS3: MICROSOFT Windows 8.1 Professional N 32bit
OS4: MICROSOFT Windows 10 Professional N 32bit



GSM: SAMSUNG Galaxy S7 SM-G930F Black Onyx
ROM: Android Nougat v7 VIP
MSD: SANDISK 64GB Extreme MicroSDXC Class 10 U3



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