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Staro 26.02.2011., 03:44   #1
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Arrow Informacije, testiranja i recenzije: Bobcat, Llano i Bulldozer

Informacije, testiranja i recenzije: Bobcat, Llano i Bulldozer

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Bobcat (single & dual-core):
Multiple devices, including notebooks ultrathins, HD netbooks and small form factor desktops. Sub-one watt capable x86 CPU core that first comes to market in the Ontario and Zacate Accelerated Processing Units (APU) for mainstream, ultrathin, value, and netbook form factors as well as small form factor desktop solutions. Bobcat is designed to be an extremely small, highly flexible, out-of-order execution x86 core that easily can be scaled up and combined with other IP in SoC configurations. The low-end of the market will continue to be served E-series accelerated processing units with one or two cores and a basic Radeon HD 6000-class graphics endine code-named Zacate under AMD Vision sticker.
Zacate - AMD E Series APUs (18W)
  • AMD E-240 with AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics (single-core CPU @ 1.5GHz & GPU @ 500MHz)

  • AMD E-300 with AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics (dual-core CPU @ 1.3GHz & GPU @ 488MHz)

  • AMD E-350 with AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics (dual-core CPU @ 1.6GHz & GPU @ 500MHz)

  • AMD E-450 with AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics (dual-core CPU @ 1.65GHz & GPU @ 600MHz)
Ontario - AMD C Series APUs (9W)
  • AMD C-30 with AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics (single-core CPU @ 1.2GHz & GPU @ 280MHz)

  • AMD C-50 with AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics (dual-core CPU @ 1.0GHz & GPU @ 280MHz)

  • AMD C-60 with AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics (dual-core CPU @ 1.33GHz & GPU @ 400MHz)
Zacate - AMD Z Series APUs (~6W)
  • AMD Z-01 with AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics (dual-core CPU @ 1.0GHz & GPU @ 276MHz)



Llano (dual & quad-core):
Llano is a 32nm APU including up to four x86 cores and a DirectX 11-capable GPU, primarily intended for performance and mainstream notebooks and mainstream desktops. Llano is engineered to deliver impressive visual computing experiences, outstanding performance with low power and long battery life. Llano will use upgraded Stars CPU cores and a Redwood-class GPU. It will be manufactured by GlobalFoundries on their 32nm SOI process and target the same market as the existing Athlon II line. Like Athlon II, it will be available in dual, triple, and quad-core variants. Llano will have an integrated PCIe 2.0 controller, a dual channel DDR3-1600 memory controller and 1MB L2 cache per core (no L3 cache). The accelerated processing units known as Llano will become A-series processors. Such chips will power AMD Vision Ultimate and AMD Vision Premium platforms.
Dual-core Llano APUs
  • E2-3250 with AMD Radeon HD 6370 GPU

  • A4-3350 with AMD Radeon HD 6410 GPU

  • A4-3360 with AMD Radeon HD 6410 GPU
Quad-core Llano APUs
  • A6-3450 with AMD Radeon HD 6530 GPU

  • A6-3450P with AMD Radeon HD 6530 GPU

  • A6-3460 with AMD Radeon HD 6530 GPU

  • A6-3460P with AMD Radeon HD 6530 GPU

  • A8-3550 with AMD Radeon HD 6550 GPU

  • A8-3550P with AMD Radeon HD 6550 GPU

  • A8-3560 with AMD Radeon HD 6550 GPU

  • A8-3560P with AMD Radeon HD 6550 GPU



Bulldozer (quad, hexa & octo-core):
Multi-threaded high-performance x86 CPU core contained in the Zambezi processor for client PCs and Interlagos and Valencia processors for servers. Bulldozer-based CPUs will be based on GlobalFoundries' advanced 32nm SOI process technology and utilize a new approach to multithreaded computer performance. The code-named Zambezi processors based on Bulldozer micro-architecture with four, six or eight cores will belong to FX-series and will be sold under AMD Vision Black and AMD Vision Ultimate labels.
Zambezi CPUs
  • FX-4100 (quad-core CPU)

  • FX-4110 (quad-core CPU)

  • FX-6100 (hexa-core CPU)

  • FX-6110 (hexa-core CPU)

  • FX-8100 (octo-core CPU)

  • FX-8110 (octo-core CPU)

  • FX-8130P (octo-core CPU)

  • FX-8150 (octo-core CPU)
There will be three versions of AMD 9-series North Bridges that will be slightly different from each other:
  • AMD 990FX - supports two PCIe 2.0 x16 slots (configurable as four PCIe 2.0 x16), six PCIe 2.0 x1 slots, one PCIe 2.0 x4 slot, to be paired with SB950 I/O controller
  • AMD 990X - supports one PCIe 2.0 x16 slots (configurable as two PCIe 2.0 x8), six PCIe 2.0 x1 slots
  • AMD 970 - supports one PCIe 2.0 x16 slot, to be paired with SB950 and SB920 I/O controllers
AMD 9-series south bridge chips will support the following:
  • AMD SB950 - four PCIe 2.0 x1 slots, 14 USB 2.0 controllers, PCI bus, six Serial ATA-600 connectors with RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 support
  • AMD SB920 - two PCIe 2.0 x1 slots, 14 USB 2.0 controllers, PCI bus, six Serial ATA-600 connectors with RAID 0, 1, 10 support

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Staro 26.02.2011., 10:32   #2
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sviđa mi se ovaj AMDov koncept triju kategorija procesora. zapravo je pomak paradigme dosadašnjih Sempron-Athlon-Phenom(Thuban) procesora. Zacate možda nije direktno usporediv sa jednim Sempromom pošto mu je namjena drugačija ali mislim da na osnovnim specifikacijama i performansama dođe na isto, čak možda i bolje jer je manji format čitave kante.
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Svugdje se spominje samo x86 aplikacije u vezi tih procesora! Imaju li oni podršku za x64 OS i aplikacije, tj. da li onda iskorištavaju sav potencijal koji imaju?

Lijepo su ih rangirali, jesu li svi ti procesori napravljeni na jedinstvenome socketu?

Ako je onda odlično radiš što želiš po pitanju ploče, ako će sockete mijenjat po AMD E Series APUs, AMD A Series APUs, AMD E Series APUs, AMD Vision Black i AMD Vision Ultimate kategorijama, to mi već sad smrdi.
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Svugdje se spominje samo x86 aplikacije u vezi tih procesora! Imaju li oni podršku za x64 OS i aplikacije, tj. da li onda iskorištavaju sav potencijal koji imaju?
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Svugdje se spominje samo x86 aplikacije u vezi tih procesora! Imaju li oni podršku za x64 OS i aplikacije, tj. da li onda iskorištavaju sav potencijal koji imaju?
To je x86 arhitektura koja je prisutna "od stoljeća sedmog" i poslužila je kao temelj za sve današnje moderne procesore.
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Lijepo su ih rangirali, jesu li svi ti procesori napravljeni na jedinstvenome socketu?
Svi ti Bulldozer procesori koriste novi AM3+ socket, pa nisu (ovi u AMD-u) ludi da izmisle toplu vodu i jedno tri-četiri nova socketa za svaki tip procesora.
Bobcat modeli su pak integrirani na samu ploču, pa nema govora o mijenjanju socketa ili zasebnoj kupnji tih procesora.

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gledam i nema podrške za USB 3.0??
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Ako sam dobro razumio, svi chipseti 9xx imat će podršku?

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Ne znam, možda slože ko i Hudson chipsete za Bobcat arhitekturu i Llano APU, pa jedna verzija ima USB 3.0, dok druga nudi ogroman broj USB 2.0 konektora.
Treba pričekati CeBIT, pa da se izjasne kaj točno namjeravaju, tj. kaj budu ponudili u konačnim proizvodima.
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Ima li netko ideju koje će snage biti novi bulldozeri? Hoće li preuzeti primat nad Intelom ili rade opet neki budget segment procesora?
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Budžet ne budu, jer za to imaju Bobcat i Llano modele, a Bulldozer arhitektura nije ko dosadašnje krpanje postojeće K8 arhitekture na K10.
Teško da bude Bulldozer bolji od Intelovih aktualnih Sandy Bridge i nadolazećih, Sandy Bridge E i Ivy Bridge modela, ali u rangu ili eventualno malo slabiji bi mogli biti.

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racunas,i5 2500K kosta 1600 kn a kad dode Bulldozer skines 200-300 kn sa i5 2500K i eto ti cijene Bulldozer quada(relativno six corea,mozda)mozemo mi nagadat i pjevat borbene ali nema pravih podataka do CEBIT-a koji se odrzava 01.03.2011


neki kazu da bulldozeri dolaze u 4 mjesecu,neki kazu u 6. mjesecu a neki kazu da ga nece biti do 2012 tako da ono,necu vjerovat nicemu do sluzbenih informacija.
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Staro 27.02.2011., 21:16   #13
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Pa bar službenih informacija imaš kolko te volja: Bulldozer Blog i AMD at the ISSCC 2011.
Dok s druge strane Intel već ima spremne 22nm Ivy Bridge procesore i planira ih demonstrirati na ovogodišnjem Computexu.
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ovo mi se cini zanimljivo:

In terms of overall performance, a Bulldozer based core should be able to outperform a similarly clocked Intel processor featuring the same number of threads when being fully utilized. Unfortunately for AMD, very few workloads will max out a modern multi-core processor. Intel should have a slight advantage in single threaded/lightly threaded applications. AMD does look to offset that advantage by offering higher clocked processors positioned against the slower clocked Intel units. This could mean that a quad core i7 running at 3.2 GHz would be the price basis for a 4 module Bulldozer running at 3.5 GHz.
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"" The boards dont use the new AMD 990FX motherboard chip, but already available chips from the 8-series (890FX, 890GX, 880G and 870).
In addition should older Socket AM3 boards with 8-chip, which are already in use, support Bulldozer CPUs with an BIOS update. AMD told us, however, that AM3 boards, opposed to coming boards with Socket AM3 +, will not support all features of Bulldozer CPUs. What features are missing, did AMD not tell. ""

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to je najvjerojatnije ploca sa AM3+ socketom.zato ce na nju moci ici i bulldozeri i sadasnji procesori.dok je na sadasnjim plocama AM3 socket i na njih idu samo Phenomi II i Athloni II.


hoce li biti zakljucavanja jezgri kao i kod Phenoma II i Athlona II??
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Najvjerojatnije je postalo službeno, a bilo kakva nadanja da budu sadašnje AM3 ploče udomile nove Bulldozer procesore, padaju u vodu. Iskoristili budu još uvijek aktualnu AMD 800 seriju čipseta i kombinirali ih s novim AM3+ socketom sve dok ne stigne AMD 900 serija čipseta. Sve u svemu za nove procesore treba imati i novu ploču, bilo da je bazirana na 800 ili 900 seriji čipseta.
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Još nema informacija sa cebit-a , ili ja nemogu naći. Ima dosta toga o arhitekturi i nagađanja ali nista konkretno nikakvih (benchmarka) i usporedbi sa intelom.
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Mobilni quad-core AMD Llano APU A8-3510MX vs. mobilni Intel Sandy Bridge Core i7-2630QM je zasad jedina kakva-takva usporedba. Bulldozer procesori su još na čekanju.
Llano nije baziran na novoj Bulldozer arhitekturi, već je riječ o modificiranoj K10 arhitekturi korištenoj za Athlon II i Phenom II procesore.
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Bulldozer to launch Mid-Jun 2011 at E3 2011 Show in L.A.
Products Overview-“Scorpius” Platform CPU: “Zambezi”
  • 8 Core high performance CPU (32nm)
  • Superior positioning to Intel than AMD Phenom II X6 today
  • New and improved AMD Turbo CORE features
  • Instruction set & “Turbo” parity
  • Production Samples: Late Mar-11
  • Launch: Mid-Jun 2011 at E3 2011 Show in L.A. Motherboard: Socket AM3+
  • New AM3+ Socket (AM3r2)
  • Not backwards compatible with AM2+ parts
  • Only backwards compatible with AM3 CPUs
  • New up to DDR3 1866 support
  • RD990 and SB950 Chipset (pin to pin compatible with 890FX)
  • Good/Better/Best Tiers
  • GPU: AMD Radeon HD 6000 Series Graphics
  • DirectX 11 and ultimate 3D Gaming
  • AMD Eyefinity Technology for immersive multi-monitor computing
  • AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing to speed multimedia application performance beyond expectation
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Ova priča oko BD stvarno postaje limunada. Nemoš virovati zašto se nije predstavija na ceBITu...

Bulldozer has chipset issues

Aha, i Intel je ima slično sa SB pa je rješija problem u par dana. A sa druge strane podržava u pin 890.

Uglavnom, priča se razvlači od prošlog lita i ide prema idućem litu.
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Ne vjeruj svemu što piše, pogotovo ako piše na Fudzilli. Valjda je trebalo malo izjednačiti pozicije pa eto i AMD ima problema sa čipsetom, ne samo Intel.
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Asus E35M1

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Asus je započeo isporuku nove serije matičnih ploča E35M1 koje koriste AMD Fusion Zacate čipove i Brazos platformu.

Na CeBITu Asus je predstavio ove ploče pogodnim za “Home Theater PC” ili "gaming sisteme". Na ploču je moguće ugraditi i dodatnu grafičku karticu, a ploča je u stanju da radi kombinirujući snagu obadva grafička čipa, onog integriranog u Fusion Zacate procesor i onog sa dodatne grafičke kartice.

AMD-ov E350 ili Zacate APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) integrira procesor CPU (Central Processing Unit) i grafički procesor GPU na istom čipu, tj. ima dvije procesorske AMD Bobcat jezgre i jednu GPU jezgru. Izrađen je u 40 nanometarskoj izradi sa TDP rejtingom od 18 W.

Asus E35M1 serija matičnih ploča dolazi u jednom Mini ITX i dva Micro ATX izdanja.

Izvor: the INQUIRER - Asus ships AMD Fusion capable E35M1 motherboard series
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a ploča je u stanju da radi kombinirujući snagu obadva grafička čipa, onog integriranog u Fusion Zacate procesor i onog sa dodatne grafičke kartice.
mislim da ovo neće biti od prevelike koristi za grafičke performanse. nedavno sam čitao neku od Zacate recenzija u kojoj su stavili i diskretnu grafiku na ploču da vide ima li poboljšanja u odnosu na HD 63xx chip. razlike gotovo da nije ni bilo jer je procesor bottleneck, a mislim i da je PCI-X slot na x4. ne znam sad kako je kod ove Asusice.

ploča mi izgleda kao overkill pogotovo sa tim masivnim hladnjakom i bit će zanimljivo vidjeti recenziju i raspon temperatura. kao što smo vidjeli iz recenzije Foxconn ploče masivni pasivac nije bio preučinkovit pod opterećenjem.
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Staro 05.03.2011., 11:35   #25
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Sve imaju PCI-E 4x, PCI-E kontroler je na procesoru. Ima na PCAxe recenzija E35-M1-M Pro. Ovo s Fudzilom i čipsetima je čista glupost. Serversku platformu to uopće na kači jer koriste čipsete od prije godinu dana, BD je samo drop-in replacement za postojeće Opteron procesore. AMD900 i SB9x0 čipseti su pin kompatibilni s AMD800 i SB8x0, i tako sve do AMD700 i SB7x0. Podrška za BD uopće ne ovisi o čipsetu, mogu koristiti i stariji čipset. Jedina veća novost je da AMD900 ima podršku za IOMMU u gotovo svim verzijama, dok je to prije imao samo 790FX i 890FX.

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Staro 08.03.2011., 15:14   #27
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Osvježenje AMD E-serije desktop APU modela

Advanced Micro Devices plans to refresh the lineup of its E-series inexpensive accelerated processing units (APUs) for desktops in the third quarter of this calendar year. Performance boost will hardly be tangible and will include a slight increase in clock-speed and addition of AMD Turbo Core dynamic acceleration technology. In Q3 2011 the company will launch E-450 and E-300 code-named Zacate accelerated processing units with two Bobcat cores, 80 stream processors, video decoding engine, 18W thermal design power (TDP) and so on. The dual-core E-300 APU will substitute single-core E-240 chip, whereas the dual-core E450 will complement the existing E-350 with higher performance amid similar power consumption and FT1 form-factor.

The clock-speeds of the second breed of E-series desktop APUs will remain low - in the range between 1.30GHz and 1.65GHz - but thanks to Turbo Core dynamic acceleration technology the new chips promise to offer noticeable speed improvement compared to the first models of Zacate APUs. It remains to be seen whether AMD will also refresh the Ontario APUs for netbooks as well. In order to address the market of low-end desktops with more or less decent performance, AMD intends to release AMD E2-3250 APU that will be based on a low-end Llano design with two Husky CPU cores, cut-down Winterpark graphics engine with 160 stream processors, and will thus offer tangibly better performance compared to Zacate, but will have 65W TDP and FM1 packaging.
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Staro 09.03.2011., 22:47   #28
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Ipak izgleda da će Bulldozeri raditi na AM3 pločama uz nadogradnju BIOS-a
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The news that the new AMD Bulldozer will be support for Socket AM3 motherboards has been spread rapidly. The way to achieve this to make a simple BIOS update for your socket AM3 board. Following Intel's next-generation 22nm Ivy Bridge has been confirmed backward compatible processor P67 and H67 motherboard, now the AMD Bulldozer processor can be used on Socket AM3 motherboards. AMD Bulldozer to Support Socket AM3 Motherboards, Releasing in June. Actually, whether AMD Bulldozer is with AM3 Motherboards compatible has been talked about last year. Now this has been confirmed. More details of Bulldozer in addition to compatible with Socket + AM3 have not been announced. Whether it will disable the Turbo Core 2.0 feature or not has not been mention as well. Of course, in order to enjoy the AMD Bulldozers platform new features, including a faster HT bus speed, higher memory frequencies and so on; 9-series motherboard is still necessary. AM3 motherboards will make certain compromise.
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Na koju foru to misle složiti, ako Bulldozer procesori fizički ne pašu u aktulani AM3 socket? BIOS im tu ništ ne znači, kad budu ljudi potrgali cijelo podnožje procesora. Kod Intela je stvar da i Sandy Bridge i novi Ivy Bridge koriste isti socket, pošto Ivy Bridge (za razliku od AMD-ovog Bulldozera) nije kompletno nova arhitektura, već planirani die-shrink, pa nema razloga da dodatno kompliciraju stvari s još jednom novom platformom. Bulldozer procesori imaju jedan pin više u odnosu na sadašnje AM3 procesore i jedini način za njihovo korištenje na današnjim pločama je da se sve serije opreme s novim AM3+ socketom - a to je i najavljeno od strane svih većih proizvođača. Iskoristili budu aktualne platforme bazirane na AMD 800 seriji čipseta i sve ploče opremili novim AM3+ socketom, tak da sve dok ne stignu kompletno nove AM3+ kombinirane s AMD 900 čipsetima, ljudi imaju kakvu-takvu ponudu.
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Staro 10.03.2011., 03:06   #30
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Što se tiče izdavanja ploča sa AM3+ socketom i 8xx chipsetom, Gigabyte je to već napravio sa cijelim 8xx asortimanom ploča.
Sve njihove 8xx AM3+ ploče su revizije 3.1 i imaju socket crne boje.

rev. 3.0 = AM3


rev. 3.1 = AM3+; vidi se jedna rupa više:

P.S. fotki sam invertirao boje, jer se na crnoj boji teško uočavaju rupe

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