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Staro 14.04.2006., 15:30   #31
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točno to, zato sam se i naživcirao kad sam čuo za to... mislim oke za zezanciju, isprobavanje i to... ali komercijalna fuziija - stay out of it mac and mic please!
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Staro 14.04.2006., 15:57   #32
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s obzirom na sve do sada napisano, bilo bi znatno primjerenije da sam
thread nazvao mac -pc confusion.: cheers2
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Staro 14.04.2006., 17:38   #33
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Sve si rekao. OS X je napravljen za točno određenu kombinaciju hardvera. I sada ti stavi OS X na svoje računalo, koje je bitno drukčije od Maca. Logično da će raditi lošije od windoza! I zato: OS X je za Mac, XP je za PC i točka.
glupost ... stvar i je u tome da više ne postoji 'Mac' odnosno većina nas ima u svojim kantama istu kombinaciju hardwarea kao i novi Macovi ili možda misliš da su Intel ,ATI ,WD, ili nVidia na Macu drugačiji od onih na PCu ?
Ja ga koristim već par mjeseci na svome kompu i usprkos tome što sam na AMD platformi koja uopće nije službeno podržana i još uvijek nema nekih drivera (grafička je npr uredno prepoznata iako bez hardwerske aceleracije...) stvar radi sasvim stabilno i upotrebljivo a prema nekim iskustvima čak i brže nego na iMacu. OS X nije optimiziran za Mac jer Mac i nije ništa drugo nego brand, optimiziran je za PPC ili Intel ili za nVidia hardware...
...uostalom bio Mac ili PC sve je to ionako 'made in China'
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by Ernest Cline


At first glance
I probably appear to be a somewhat ordinary,
somewhat average looking fellow.
Calm, harmless, at ease.

But this is by design.
You see, it is through decades of research and rigorous training that I have crafted this façade of normalcy.

And now, through intense concentration,
I am able to function in a social setting.
I can speak at length with educated people about
pertinent matters of public importance,
such as literature,
or the current political climate in Europe.

I am capable of conversing with you
without ever revealing that just underneath the surface
of this manufactured veneer
there hides an altogether different person.
A monster, some might say.
My alter-ego.
He is the opposite of the image I project.
He is the antithesis of Cool.
He is the LAST person you want to get trapped in a conversation with.

He is The Geek.
The obsessive science fiction movie watching,
comic book collecting,
Monty Python dialogue memorizing,
Dungeons and Dragons playing GEEK
that I struggle daily to keep hidden from the world.

But The Geek Wants Out.

He want to talk to you.
He wants to give you his doctoral dissertation on why
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
is the greatest fucking film of all time!

He wants to bitch slap you because
you’ve never seen Big Trouble in Little China.
What? Have you been living in a fucking cave?!

He wants to kick your ass in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
And he will.
Because he’s a fucking Geek.

And he wants his toys.
He wants the complete set
in mint condition,
still in the box.
He wants every item on the planet that is even remotely related to Ultraman.
Because Ultraman is Airwolf!

He could give a squirt of piss
about sports or politics or rhetoric.
Such things are of no consequence to him.
What matters is the release date of the next Lord of the Rings movie!

You see, The Geek can’t wait.
The Geek has no patience.
He wants what he wants when he wants it.
And all he wants is stupid shit!

He wants his own Tardis.
He wants his own light saber.
He wants to buy a DeLorean and he wants to drive it 88 miles per hour.

He wants movies.
He wants to see the Director’s Cut.
He wants the impossible to find Japanese bootleg with
6 minutes of never-before-seen footage.

He wants to watch Blade Runner. Again.
He wants to watch Brazil. Again.
He wants to watch A Clockwork Orange.
Again and Again!

But I deprive him of these things, as best I can,
until I can no longer ignore his voice
screaming in my head.

I am Jekyl. He is Hyde.
I am Bruce Banner. He is the Hulk.
Especially the Hulk from issues #272 to #378.

But no longer!
I am putting a stop to all this nerdy shit right now!
I’m an adult, for Christ’s sake!
And this body isn’t big enough for the both of us.
One of us has to go, and it’s gonna be him.
I banishing the Geek forever to the Phantom Zone,
just like in Superman II !
Because, in the end –
there can be only one.
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Staro 14.04.2006., 17:52   #34
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glupost ... stvar i je u tome da više ne postoji 'Mac' odnosno većina nas ima u svojim kantama istu kombinaciju hardwarea kao i novi Macovi ili možda misliš da su Intel ,ATI ,WD, ili nVidia na Macu drugačiji od onih na PCu ?
Ja ga koristim već par mjeseci na svome kompu i usprkos tome što sam na AMD platformi koja uopće nije službeno podržana i još uvijek nema nekih drivera (grafička je npr uredno prepoznata iako bez hardwerske aceleracije...) stvar radi sasvim stabilno i upotrebljivo a prema nekim iskustvima čak i brže nego na iMacu. OS X nije optimiziran za Mac jer Mac i nije ništa drugo nego brand, optimiziran je za PPC ili Intel ili za nVidia hardware...
...uostalom bio Mac ili PC sve je to ionako 'made in China'
Samo malo. Ne možeš generalizirati tako stvari. Ako je kod tebe sve u redu, ne znači da je i kod drugih.

I pogledaj sad što si napisao: "OS X nije optimiziran za Mac jer Mac i nije ništa drugo nego brand, optimiziran je za PPC ili Intel ili za nVidia hardware..." Pa jel to to? Da, OS X je optimiziran za, ne znam ni ja, dual core intel procesor, za određenu grafičku, za određenu memu, za određeni hard, što sve zajedno čini brand nazvan MAC. O čemu mi onda pričamo?
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Staro 14.04.2006., 18:39   #35
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Pričamo o tome do to više nisu 'određene' grafičke ili procesori nego isti oni koje se ugrađuju i u PC...zar ti misliš da je Intel dizajnirao posebni proc za ugradnju u iMac ili da je ATI otvorio novi pogon za proizvodnju grafičkih ...? Optimiziraju se instrukcije određene arhitekture (x86) SSE,SSE2,SSE3 a ne modeli procesora ili grafičke...sama činjenica da stvar radi i na drugim modelima osim osnovnog govori ti sve. Uostalom već sad se može pametnim izborom komponenti složiti komp koji će vrtiti triple boot (Linux, OS X i WinXP/Vistu) bez dodatnih novčanih izdataka.

PS
Lcd matrica (LM201W01) u mom DELL monitoru je ista ona koja se ugrađuje u Apple Cinema display a proizveo je LG.Philips i sad ti misliš da je Cinema bolja jer Apple-ov marketing kaže tako ? Jedino što brand donosi (ili bi bar trebao) je neka garancija kvalitete. Naravno da ako koristiš shrot dijelove možeš očekivati probleme ali to je tako i inače ...
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The Geek Wants OUT
by Ernest Cline


At first glance
I probably appear to be a somewhat ordinary,
somewhat average looking fellow.
Calm, harmless, at ease.

But this is by design.
You see, it is through decades of research and rigorous training that I have crafted this façade of normalcy.

And now, through intense concentration,
I am able to function in a social setting.
I can speak at length with educated people about
pertinent matters of public importance,
such as literature,
or the current political climate in Europe.

I am capable of conversing with you
without ever revealing that just underneath the surface
of this manufactured veneer
there hides an altogether different person.
A monster, some might say.
My alter-ego.
He is the opposite of the image I project.
He is the antithesis of Cool.
He is the LAST person you want to get trapped in a conversation with.

He is The Geek.
The obsessive science fiction movie watching,
comic book collecting,
Monty Python dialogue memorizing,
Dungeons and Dragons playing GEEK
that I struggle daily to keep hidden from the world.

But The Geek Wants Out.

He want to talk to you.
He wants to give you his doctoral dissertation on why
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
is the greatest fucking film of all time!

He wants to bitch slap you because
you’ve never seen Big Trouble in Little China.
What? Have you been living in a fucking cave?!

He wants to kick your ass in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
And he will.
Because he’s a fucking Geek.

And he wants his toys.
He wants the complete set
in mint condition,
still in the box.
He wants every item on the planet that is even remotely related to Ultraman.
Because Ultraman is Airwolf!

He could give a squirt of piss
about sports or politics or rhetoric.
Such things are of no consequence to him.
What matters is the release date of the next Lord of the Rings movie!

You see, The Geek can’t wait.
The Geek has no patience.
He wants what he wants when he wants it.
And all he wants is stupid shit!

He wants his own Tardis.
He wants his own light saber.
He wants to buy a DeLorean and he wants to drive it 88 miles per hour.

He wants movies.
He wants to see the Director’s Cut.
He wants the impossible to find Japanese bootleg with
6 minutes of never-before-seen footage.

He wants to watch Blade Runner. Again.
He wants to watch Brazil. Again.
He wants to watch A Clockwork Orange.
Again and Again!

But I deprive him of these things, as best I can,
until I can no longer ignore his voice
screaming in my head.

I am Jekyl. He is Hyde.
I am Bruce Banner. He is the Hulk.
Especially the Hulk from issues #272 to #378.

But no longer!
I am putting a stop to all this nerdy shit right now!
I’m an adult, for Christ’s sake!
And this body isn’t big enough for the both of us.
One of us has to go, and it’s gonna be him.
I banishing the Geek forever to the Phantom Zone,
just like in Superman II !
Because, in the end –
there can be only one.
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Staro 14.04.2006., 19:14   #36
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Ja ti govorim o kombinaciji komponenata. Jasno je da je određena komponenta ista u PC-u ili u Mac-u... to je isto kao da kažeš da je Meggle mlijeko bolje u Bili nego u Getro-u . Ali bitna je kombinacija komponenata. Kad bi ti koristio komponente identične kao i na Macu, naravno da bi stvar radila. Mislim, radi stvar i ovako, ali ko zna s kakvim performansama i u kojim okvirima.
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Staro 14.04.2006., 20:29   #37
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...Mislim, radi stvar i ovako, ali ko zna s kakvim performansama i u kojim okvirima.
... pa recimo iMac CoreDuo sa x1600 postiže 129.46 bodova u OpenGL Xbench 1.2 testu dok Macvidia beta driver (nije još vani) na 6800GT pri 2560 x 1600x32@60 postiže 598.73 ...toliko o 'kombinaciji komponenti'. Apple dobro naplačuje svoje 'kombinacije' pa će te tako kombinacija 6600 sa 512Mb rama koštati ~18000.00 kn (najjefitinija varijanta) a za te pare možeš složiti puno 'jači' sistem sa 100% Mac kompatibilnim komponentama...pametnome dosta.
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The Geek Wants OUT
by Ernest Cline


At first glance
I probably appear to be a somewhat ordinary,
somewhat average looking fellow.
Calm, harmless, at ease.

But this is by design.
You see, it is through decades of research and rigorous training that I have crafted this façade of normalcy.

And now, through intense concentration,
I am able to function in a social setting.
I can speak at length with educated people about
pertinent matters of public importance,
such as literature,
or the current political climate in Europe.

I am capable of conversing with you
without ever revealing that just underneath the surface
of this manufactured veneer
there hides an altogether different person.
A monster, some might say.
My alter-ego.
He is the opposite of the image I project.
He is the antithesis of Cool.
He is the LAST person you want to get trapped in a conversation with.

He is The Geek.
The obsessive science fiction movie watching,
comic book collecting,
Monty Python dialogue memorizing,
Dungeons and Dragons playing GEEK
that I struggle daily to keep hidden from the world.

But The Geek Wants Out.

He want to talk to you.
He wants to give you his doctoral dissertation on why
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
is the greatest fucking film of all time!

He wants to bitch slap you because
you’ve never seen Big Trouble in Little China.
What? Have you been living in a fucking cave?!

He wants to kick your ass in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
And he will.
Because he’s a fucking Geek.

And he wants his toys.
He wants the complete set
in mint condition,
still in the box.
He wants every item on the planet that is even remotely related to Ultraman.
Because Ultraman is Airwolf!

He could give a squirt of piss
about sports or politics or rhetoric.
Such things are of no consequence to him.
What matters is the release date of the next Lord of the Rings movie!

You see, The Geek can’t wait.
The Geek has no patience.
He wants what he wants when he wants it.
And all he wants is stupid shit!

He wants his own Tardis.
He wants his own light saber.
He wants to buy a DeLorean and he wants to drive it 88 miles per hour.

He wants movies.
He wants to see the Director’s Cut.
He wants the impossible to find Japanese bootleg with
6 minutes of never-before-seen footage.

He wants to watch Blade Runner. Again.
He wants to watch Brazil. Again.
He wants to watch A Clockwork Orange.
Again and Again!

But I deprive him of these things, as best I can,
until I can no longer ignore his voice
screaming in my head.

I am Jekyl. He is Hyde.
I am Bruce Banner. He is the Hulk.
Especially the Hulk from issues #272 to #378.

But no longer!
I am putting a stop to all this nerdy shit right now!
I’m an adult, for Christ’s sake!
And this body isn’t big enough for the both of us.
One of us has to go, and it’s gonna be him.
I banishing the Geek forever to the Phantom Zone,
just like in Superman II !
Because, in the end –
there can be only one.

Zadnje izmijenjeno od: crn. 14.04.2006. u 20:46.
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Staro 15.04.2006., 10:26   #38
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I pogledaj sad što si napisao: "OS X nije optimiziran za Mac jer Mac i nije ništa drugo nego brand, optimiziran je za PPC ili Intel ili za nVidia hardware..." Pa jel to to? Da, OS X je optimiziran za, ne znam ni ja, dual core intel procesor, za određenu grafičku, za određenu memu, za određeni hard, što sve zajedno čini brand nazvan MAC. O čemu mi onda pričamo?
O tome da ti laprdas. OS X, recimo, ima dugu povijest nativne x86 kompatibilnosti, toliko dugu da seze od os samih pocetaka OS X-a prije tocno 6 godina, a s obzirom da si ocito nesvjestan njegovih temelja, samo cu ti reci da moze vrlo lako biti "optimiziran" za Alphu, A68, Itaniume, Sparcove ili cak NEC-ov PC98. Pogodi zasto?
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Staro 15.04.2006., 21:17   #39
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Pričamo o tome do to više nisu 'određene' grafičke ili procesori nego isti oni koje se ugrađuju i u PC...zar ti misliš da je Intel dizajnirao posebni proc za ugradnju u iMac ili da je ATI otvorio novi pogon za proizvodnju grafičkih ...?

Ne pratim to baš još od R300 ali npr. 9700 serija za piceka i Maca NISU iste grafe.
I tu istu 9700 sa MACa NE MOŽEŠ bez grdog kovačenja koristiti na piceku..
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Staro 15.04.2006., 22:54   #40
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pa naravano da ne mozes, ali jezgra je ista...
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Staro 19.04.2006., 09:27   #41
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thx to nicko (hvala nicko), i ja imam dualboot mac osx. ono u vezi smrzavanja, meni se smrzne svaki put kad neku internet stranicu ucitam na pola, dritio na pola se sve smrzne, mis ne radi, samo slika na ekranu stoji. mozda da imam dsl to ne bi bio problem ali ovak sa dial-up nece...
inace, stvarno preludo izgleda na rivi tnt 2 sa 32 MB koju prepozna ko 4MB sve se vrti ko na 7900gtx npr. pokrenem itunes sa vizualizacijom, otvoreno pun k svega, skroll po toolbaru u dnu ekrana i fps vizualizacije na pada ispod 30 (iskljucen frame limiter). ja sam gledo 20 min kak to lijepo radi, nisam se mogo prestat cudit... sve pokrenuta na konfi iz siga tak da nema naklapanja o nekompatibilnosti hardvera...
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