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Staro 03.01.2026., 20:35   #1
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Nestabilan sistem 9800x3d

Nakon 10 godina sam se odlučio vratiti na AMD. Toliko posla imam da sam jedva stigao složiti PC. No sada, žalim što sam kupio AMD.


Simptomi: sinovima se igre ruše. Nakon sat-dva, samo se smrznu. Za sada naizmjence igraju Red dead R2, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Minecraft.


Sumnjam da je problem u memoriji. Kupovao sam u posljednji trenutak prije drastičnog poskupljenja i izbor (isporučivo po toj cijeni) je bio nikakav. Pa sam se odlučio uzeti G.skill 32GB 6400 CL30. Provjerio sam za matičnu ploču, na QVL listi je pa sam mislio da neće biti problema s kompatibilnošću.


Kako mi nije do OC, postavio sam u UEFI RAM na 6000, dao mu da učita EXPO. Eto, unatoč svemu dolazi u pucanja u tim igrama nakon sat-dva. Klinci prošli foruma i foruma pa smo gledali da nije problem integrirana zvučna. Ništa, posuđuj od kolege s posla PCI-e zvučnu, Creative. Nije pomoglo.


Dakle, ništa u kompu nije OC. Gledam temperature, ništa ne prelazi 50C. Čak je i GPU poprilično mlak (ne prelazi 65C). Probao sam memoriju postaviti 1:2, isti problemi. Windowsi su relativno friški, sav softver je kupljen / legalan pa onda tu ne tražim krivicu.


Da nije sada ta luda situacija sa RAM, prodao bih ovaj i kupio neki vulgaris 6000.


Ja sam potrošio svojeg slobodnog vremena proučavajući sve opcije koje postoje u UEFI, pitao još na ASUS forumima, ali nisam uspio dobiti rješenje.


Jel bi me vi, dobri ljudi, mogli uputiti kaj da još probam? Svi detalji kompa su u moj komp.
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Staro 03.01.2026., 20:41   #2
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odradi memtest čisto da eliminiramo ram ispravnost
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odradi memtest čisto da eliminiramo ram ispravnost

Ostavio sam OCCT preko jedne noći, nula grešaka. Nekakav y tester, isto cijelu noć - nula grešaka. Ostavio sam neki HW monitor tijekom tih testova i temperatura memorije nije prelazila 56C tijekom cijele noći testova testova.


Koji mem tester da odradim i pri kojim postavkama?
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Staro 03.01.2026., 20:56   #4
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Koja je verzija BIOSa? Vidim da ih ima tona vani. Ima i "firmware", nisam siguran na što se to odnosi.
https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/ro...helpdesk_bios/

Da li si probao koristiti memorijske module pojedinačno?
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Memtest koji se boota sa USB sticka
Staviš najnoviju verziju BIOS-a za ploču ako nije, učitaš EXPO profil i izvrtiš memtest
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Staro 03.01.2026., 21:01   #6
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kao što mamutarka kaže testiraj memoriju

na stick pripremi i testiraj memtest86 https://www.memtest.org

1. Probaj na stock postavke stavit memoriju bez upaljenog EXPO profila.

2. Osobno bi još prije testiranja memorije nadogradio bios za tvoju ploču http://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog...helpdesk_bios/

3. Provjeri dal su ti spojena oba EPS konektora za CPU na maticnu (imao sam slucaj na asusici da se zbog njega PC bio zamrzivo jer je bio spojen sam 1 EPS)

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Staro 03.01.2026., 21:05   #7
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Memtest koji se boota sa USB sticka
Staviš najnoviju verziju BIOS-a za ploču ako nije, učitaš EXPO profil i izvrtiš memtest

Napravim to ovih dana sa memtest.


BIOS (ili kako se to sada zove - UEFI) je najnoviji, to sam napravio update jer je ploča sa stvarno nevjerojatno dugo testirala RAM prilikom svakog hladnog boota...


Jučer sam gledao, to je najnovija verzija.


RAM ima samo jedan EXPO profil, tako da nemam tu nekih dilema.


Da, oba EPS su spojena.


RAM je u A2 i B2.


Uglavnom, javim kaj memtest kaže.
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Staro 03.01.2026., 21:20   #8
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Zanimljivo je kako najviše problema imaju ljudi sa ultra skupim pločama, valjda previše (nepotrebnih) opcija dovodi češće do problema.
Najjednostavnije bi bilo dat dečkima nazad komp da se igraju, ali prvo sa jednim RAM modulom, pa probat sa drugim. Neće ni skužit da je samo 16gb rama i single channel.
I trebalo bi pogledati u event viewere jel postoji kakav zapis pod windows logs/system kad se igra smrzne.
Inače meni je stress test AIDE64 najbrže otkrio greške, nisam fan tih memtestova koji se vrte po 3 tjedna i sl. tko danas ima vremena za te pizdarije
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Ako memorija prođe i bude ispravna pokreni neki test grafike i procesora tipa

FurMark https://geeks3d.com/furmark/ GPU test (mada ima i opcija za testrat CPU)

Superposition Benchmark https://benchmark.unigine.com/superposition GPU test

Cinebench 2026 https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-downloads CPU test


i dok se to vrti imaj upaljen HWInfo64 pokreni ga na Sensors-only , skrolaj do kraja i pogledaj dal imaš WHEA greške i dal ti rastu.



EDIT: obavezno provjeri ovo što Exy kaže : event viewer logove
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Zanimljivo je kako najviše problema imaju ljudi sa ultra skupim pločama...

Cijeli život sam krpao sa kramama od ploča, mislio sam napokon uzeti komp da ne moram još tjednima visiti po BIOS / UEFI. Nadao sam se istinskom plug&play.


Da me klinci nisu molili da hoće igrati te igre i dalje bih imao kramu od desktopa, a sve kaj mi je vezano za posao - vrtio bih na laptopu.


Nisam se nikada bavio s tim event viewerima, idem pitati gugl da me nauči to koristiti...

P.S. - ako je ovo ultra skupa ploča, kako bi onda nazvao ploče koje su preko 500€? Ne usudim se pitati kako bi nazvao high-end ploče koje koštaju preko 1000€ ???
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Event viewer ti je dio windowsa, samo upiši event viewer u search.
U teoriji bi i trebalo bit plug and play, učitaš pravu brzinu ram-a, expo i to je to. procesor ostaviš na defaultu kao i sve ostalo, moralo bi tako raditi bez smrzavanja.
Pa je, sa skupim pločama više visiš po UEFI jer ima više opcija Ma zanemari to, nije tu sad bitno koliko ploča dođe, može se sranje dogodit na bilo kakvoj ploči. Po meni eliminirati da nije stvar u ram modulima za početak, onda možemo dalje. Slijedeći sumnjivac bi bila grafa i neispravan vram, zato je kolega dao dobar savjet sa furmarkom, on će brzo otkriti ako nešto nije u redu sa gpu.
I provjeri u onom radeon control centru ili kako se već zove (adrenaline), da li nakon crasha igre javlja poruku da je bio neki problem i da je sve resetirano na default, ako grafa nije clockana i sl. to bi onda upućivalo na problem sa njom.
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Staro 04.01.2026., 11:03   #12
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Evo kratki update, stavio sam sinoć memtest86 na USB, pokrenuo test. Prošao je 4 ciklusa bez greške.


Danas ujutro, sinovi mi samo prišli - tata, opet je "krešalo".


Pogledao sam event viewer, svaki put kada je pukla neka od igara dobio sam Exception code 0xc0000005.


Događa mi se ono što sam silno htio izbjeći - kopanje po UEFI, istraživanje koje opcije s kojima rade.


EDIT: ujutro sam otišao u UEFI i stavio sam EXPO II, eto da probam. No, sada mi se svaki put zamrzne pointer od miša svaki put kada se ekran ugasi.
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Pretpostavljam da je, al da potvrdimo je li OS frisko reinstaliran?
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Nakon 10 godina sam se odlučio vratiti na AMD. Toliko posla imam da sam jedva stigao složiti PC. No sada, žalim što sam kupio AMD.


Simptomi: sinovima se igre ruše. Nakon sat-dva, samo se smrznu. Za sada naizmjence igraju Red dead R2, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Minecraft.


Sumnjam da je problem u memoriji. Kupovao sam u posljednji trenutak prije drastičnog poskupljenja i izbor (isporučivo po toj cijeni) je bio nikakav. Pa sam se odlučio uzeti G.skill 32GB 6400 CL30. Provjerio sam za matičnu ploču, na QVL listi je pa sam mislio da neće biti problema s kompatibilnošću.


Kako mi nije do OC, postavio sam u UEFI RAM na 6000, dao mu da učita EXPO. Eto, unatoč svemu dolazi u pucanja u tim igrama nakon sat-dva. Klinci prošli foruma i foruma pa smo gledali da nije problem integrirana zvučna. Ništa, posuđuj od kolege s posla PCI-e zvučnu, Creative. Nije pomoglo.


Dakle, ništa u kompu nije OC. Gledam temperature, ništa ne prelazi 50C. Čak je i GPU poprilično mlak (ne prelazi 65C). Probao sam memoriju postaviti 1:2, isti problemi. Windowsi su relativno friški, sav softver je kupljen / legalan pa onda tu ne tražim krivicu.


Da nije sada ta luda situacija sa RAM, prodao bih ovaj i kupio neki vulgaris 6000.


Ja sam potrošio svojeg slobodnog vremena proučavajući sve opcije koje postoje u UEFI, pitao još na ASUS forumima, ali nisam uspio dobiti rješenje.


Jel bi me vi, dobri ljudi, mogli uputiti kaj da još probam? Svi detalji kompa su u moj komp.

AMD ti službeno podržava 5600MT/s. Probaj to stavit.

Možeš probat dignut VSOC.

Odradi posebno testove za stabilnost memorije (i to na 5600MT/s, test memorije, IO dijela procesora). I onda posebno testove za stabilnost procesora (numeričkog dijela).


A tek onda digni na 6000MT i ponovi posebno testove memorije i testove procesora.


A kako se ruši u igrama, probaj smanjit clock GPU i VRAM.


Jedno po jedno.

Možeš probat i https://youtu.be/tJFp5vI9V9M vidjet jel su ti windowsi oštećeni.


Sretno i dobre živce, moraš eliminacijom utvrdit što je problem.
Tek ako ti je nestabilno s 5600MT/s onda možeš krivit AMD.
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Ja sam dugo imao sličan (ne isti) problem sa svojim računalom - rebotao se u idle-u. Ostavim ga upaljenog, dođem nakon nekog vremena, on se rebootao. Bez razloga, bez nekakve konstante po kojoj mogu zaključiti u čemu je problem. Probao sve i svašta što se tiče hardveraja i nije pomoglo.
Evo već se sat vremena pokušavam sjetiti kako sam riješio problem ali sam 90% siguran da je problem riješilo (re)instaliranje chipset drivera.
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Ja sam dugo imao sličan (ne isti) problem sa svojim računalom - rebotao se u idle-u. Ostavim ga upaljenog, dođem nakon nekog vremena, on se rebootao. Bez razloga, bez nekakve konstante po kojoj mogu zaključiti u čemu je problem. Probao sve i svašta što se tiče hardveraja i nije pomoglo.
Evo već se sat vremena pokušavam sjetiti kako sam riješio problem ali sam 90% siguran da je problem riješilo (re)instaliranje chipset drivera.
Kad si već spomenuo, ja sam imao isti problem ko i tvoj. Samo je bila Intel platforma i ploča je bila defektna. Kad sam je zamijenio, problem je nestao, a isto sam isprobavao svašta prije toga.
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Rečeno je već, ali Izgleda da nema prijema, ali ajde da ponovim: treba probati individualne module u pojedinačnim RAM slotovima. Ako igranje pouzdano reproducira problem, koju vražju materinu tratiti vrijeme ne te hibrdine testove? Baš vas ne kužim.
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Rečeno je već, ali Izgleda da nema prijema, ali ajde da ponovim: treba probati individualne module u pojedinačnim RAM slotovima. Ako igranje pouzdano reproducira problem, koju vražju materinu tratiti vrijeme ne te hibrdine testove? Baš vas ne kužim.
Kolegi je to predloženo. Znači jedan modul u jedan slot i isprobati. Onda drugi modul u taj isti slot. Ako se ruši sa oba može se probati drugi slot. Ovo sve ostalo je debelo gubljenje vremena, pogotovo što exception code upućuje na memorijsku grešku.
Znači ako je ram ispravan nema se što drkati po biosu i prolaziti kroz 10.000 opcija, expo i sve default i to mora raditi bez problema. Ako je ram ispravan.
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Znam da je predloženo, pošto sam ja predložio. Čak ne mora nužno biti da RAM ima problem. Ponekad dva modula skupa jednostavno ne žele surađivati u paru ili uopće, dok pojedinačno rade OK. A moguće da je i neki od slotova u problemu. Za mene osobno memtest je gubitak vremena, ali poštujem da ljudi imaju razna iskustva.

U ovom slučaju, s obzirom da se do crashanja dolazi besplatno (dok se djeca igraju) nema po meni potrebe ništa testirati već samo pustiti da se u promijenjenim uvjetima koristi računalo onoliko dugo koliko obično treba vremena da se sruši.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 04.01.2026., 22:32   #20
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Dobri ljudi, našao sam na drugom forumu privremeno rješenje.


TLDR: treba dignuti napon RAM-u. Na brzini 6000, digao sam napon na 1.425 i evo klinci cijelo popodne igraju da se nije srušilo. Što je divno čudo.


Dulja verzija. Našao sam čovjeka koji ima ISTI problem. Ista ploča, ista memorija, isti procesor, AMD grafičku. I rekao mi je da se mučio mjesecima dok nije digao napon memorije. Njemu za 6400 treba 1,48V, kaže da je stavio 120mm vent iznad memorije i da mu radi bez problema.


Reklamirati RAM? Reklamirati ploču? Ili samo sve ostaviti tako kako jest (i ja ću staviti 120mm vent da hladi RAM) i nadati se da neće krepati?
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S obzirom na situaciju sa cijenama itd. mislim da ti je pametnije rješenje držati memoriju na što nižem naponu tako da, bolje 6000 MT/s sa 1.425V nego veći takt sa većim naponom i posljedično krepan ram
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Nisam dirao VSOC kao što je predloženo, ostavio sam to na auto.


Baš sam dignuo napon same memorije. I to je jedino što sam promjenio od napona / postavki.


Ma meni je bitno da su moji sinovi sretni i da mogu igrati ono kaj hoće. Dobri su učenici u školi i zaista sam ih htio nagraditi.
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Staro 04.01.2026., 23:19   #24
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S obzirom na situaciju sa cijenama itd. mislim da ti je pametnije rješenje držati memoriju na što nižem naponu tako da, bolje 6000 MT/s sa 1.425V nego veći takt sa većim naponom i posljedično krepan ram
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Staro 04.01.2026., 23:42   #25
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Nažalost, evo navečer se opet srušio sustav. Poslao mail g.skill, poslat ću ASUS pa ću vidjeti kuda dalje.


Nemam vremena ni volje testirati, blagdani su završili i opet kreće zatrpanost poslom...


Baš sam razočaran, htio sam sinove nagraditi sa novim kompom, sve je ispalo jedno veliko sranje...

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Moj ram nije htio na 6000 nikako, isto blesava random rušenja. Na 5600 radi super, razlika u fps nikakva. A i ne bih dizao napon na tim x3d procesorima, da i on ne bi u vječna lovišta.
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Nažalost, evo navečer se opet srušio sustav. Poslao mail g.skill, poslat ću ASUS pa ću vidjeti kuda dalje.


Nemam vremena ni volje testirati, blagdani su završili i opet kreće zatrpanost poslom...


Baš sam razočaran, htio sam sinove nagraditi sa novim kompom, sve je ispalo jedno veliko sranje...
Nisi ni odg na postavljenja pitanja. Win si instalirao friško kada si složio taj novi komp (buni ovaj dio sa relativno friški i to mi smrdi da ih nisi reinstalirao), probao si RAM staviti na 5600 koji je službena AMD preopruka kako su ti napisali?

A moj dodatak je da napraviš clear cmos i da si za svaki slučaj flashas BIOS preko flashbacka, za upute baci oko na web od svoje ploče.
I obavezna preporuka najnovijih AMD chipset drivera koju je isto već neko spomenuo.

I Asus i Gskill će te vj otkantat za RMA i pomoć, reći će ti da to nosiš tamo gdje si kupio, a tamo gdje si kupio će ti ekipa vj napraviti clear cmos i odvriti memtest i vj još koji i kada to prođe ti vratit skalameriju nazad.

Uz ovo sve predloženo OBAVEZNO probaj i ovo što ti kolege vele a to je 1 po 1 keks RAMa. A ja ću dodat i da ne pališ EXPO/DOCP/XMP ili kako god ti se zove to na ploči.

Probaj prvo sve sam koliko god ti se neda ili ne stižeš, jer vjeruj mi, klincu u servisu u dućanu se da još 3 put manje. Odvrtit će 3 najlakša testa sa svime na default i proglasiti HW ispravnim. Ti za početak moraš moć reproducirati problem ajmo to tako reći odmah, a ovo da se smrzne nakon 1-2 ili 12h ti neće vj proći na RMA.

Sretno!
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Probaj prvo sve sam koliko god ti se neda ili ne stižeš, jer vjeruj mi, klincu u servisu u dućanu se da još 3 put manje. Odvrtit će 3 najlakša testa sa svime na default i proglasiti HW ispravnim. Ti za početak moraš moć reproducirati problem ajmo to tako reći odmah, a ovo da se smrzne nakon 1-2 ili 12h ti neće vj proći na RMA.

Sretno!

Meni je službeni ASUS servis vratio neispravan laptop kao sve je u redu, nakon tjedan dana (što je u stvari brzo) i ostavili su log, vrtili su stress test 12 minuta
Onda sam dokumentirao BSOD-ove, snimio video itd. pa su nakon slijedećeg dolaska za 2 dana promijenili matičnu ploču.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Nisi ni odg na postavljenja pitanja.
Da, relativno friški znači da sam ih stavio pred Božić. Prva instalacija. Ali ništa osim Steama (i igara za dečke) + drivera nije išlo gore.


Dečki su mi otišli kod bake, tako da nemam trenutno nekoga da testira stabilnost. Izvadit ću za vikend bateriju i time napraviti kompletan reset CMOSa. Stavit ću RAM na 5600, bez expo pa kada se vrate - budu testirali. Ako ni to ne bude stabilno, probat ću modul po modul.


UEFI je najnoviji, nemam kaj novije stavljati. A nemam mogućnost stavljanja starijega, tako barem piše na ASUSovoj strani.


Dali ste mi puno posla, nadam se da ću kroz koji tjedan uspjeti sve odraditi pa da mi možete reći - kuda dalje.


Ljudine, hvala još jednom!
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