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Staro 14.08.2025., 11:35   #1
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GrapheneOS - iskustva i komentari?
Gledam već nekoliko mjeseci da li povući okidač, kupiti Pixel 9 ili 9 Pro i isprobati GrapheneOS na njemu. Od kada je Androida, bio sam na HTC, i nakon njega na Samsungu.

Zadovoljan sam Samsungom, ali oduvijek čim kupim novi, instaliram sva ažuriranja, resetiram na tvorničke, i onda napravim debloating mobitela. Tek tada kreće instalacija aplikacija i korištenje.

Sve mi više smeta što svaka aplikacija MORA imati pristup internetu bez obzira za čega služila. Iz istog razloga sam prije nekoliko mjeseci instalirao NetGuard, da blokiram pristup netu aplikacijama koje nemaju nikakvu potrebu za istim (tipa SMS parking), i da vidim koje se sve aplikacije pokušavaju spojiti na internet. Na more iznenađenje, praktično svakih nekoliko sekundi neka aplikacija "treba" nešto na internetu.

Uglavnom, slučajno saznao za ovaj projekt, a i onoga što sam pročitao čini mi se da je poprilično stabilan i da su na umu imali normalno korištenje mobitela uz istovremenu dodatnu zaštitu mobitela.

Ima li tko da redovno koristi GrapheneOS? Kakva su iskustva u korištenju? Da li podržava bankarske aplikacije? Da li imate neka ograničenja u svakodnevnom korištenju?

Nemam neka posebna pitanja, više u smjeru što vam se sviđa, a što vam smeta?
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Staro 14.08.2025., 11:53   #2
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GrapheneOS zvuci zanimljivo. Ja sam isto od 2010te poceo sa GW620 i prvim androidima. I koristio milion custom OSova radi vece kontrole. Proslo mi je kroz ruke svega i definitivno je Samsung najgori sa bloatwareom. Ali ta konstantna kontrola aplikacija postane opsesija. Tako da ne pamtim kada sma zadnji put instalirao custom rom. Takozvani nekada "kuhani" ROM.

Ono sto mene nervira skoro 20 godina kod smart telefona je sto aplikacije nemaju close opcije. Quit, gasenje, na neki X klinac da mi ne radi u pozadini. Spotify osim sto mi trosi bateriju, kada odem u postavke aplikacije, moram dva puta pritisnuti Force stop. WTF

To mi najvise fali sa Xiaomi telefona. Uvijek su imali fukciju da kada cuvas duze back button, odradi Force to close da je ne znam ti koja aplikacija.

All an all, ne znam cemu ti sluzi telefon i koji nivo privatnosti trebas, ali kako sam rekao, meni je jednom postala opsesija, pritisak sa kontrolom i na kraju jednostavno odustanem. Gasim tracking aplikacija, digital wellbeing i to je to. Im tired boss..


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Staro 14.08.2025., 12:32   #3
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Davno mi je to prestala biti opsesija. Sada samo želim hodati po rubu.

Davati im što manje podataka, a opet imati relativno veliki komfort korištenja telefona. Možda ne kao kada se prebacim "boli me k***c" mode, ali dovoljno blizu.

Čini mi se da je to moguće postići s GrapheneOS, ali možda se varam.

U regular digital životu sam to djelomično postigao kada sam se makao s gmail i sličnih free usluga na privatni mail, i nekako diverzificirao digitalni život da nije sve u jednoj "korporativnoj" košari. Načelno koristim više pay ili donation software-a i nisam vezan u jedan eko sistem. Google račun mi koristi praktično samo za prijavu Android telefona na Google usluge, a i to je puno jer sa sobom vuče Youtube i Maps.

EDIT: Sada sam vidio ovu sliku što si prikačio. Otprilike zato bi i htio GrapheneOS. Kalkulator koji traži pristup kontaktima, lokaciji, pozivima i ovo zadnje i nemam pojma što je. S opcijom blokiranja interneta svakoj aplikaciji, odobriš im sve to, ali nema neta pa nema ni slanja nigdje i nema brige.
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Staro 14.08.2025., 12:55   #4
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Najbolji savjet je da kupiš neki slabiji Pixel phone koji podržava Graphene OS i onda se igraš s njim
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Staro 14.08.2025., 16:17   #5
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Probaj također instalirati čim manje aplikacija a naročito ne one iz play store.
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Probaj također instalirati čim manje aplikacija a naročito ne one iz play store.
Sve što mogu instaliram s Fdroida, ali nema dosta stvari tamo. Skoro svim aplikacija koje redovno koristim s fdroida sam i donirao da ih malo uveselim.

Ima li netko da koristi GrapheneOS?
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Ja bih ga koristio da imam guglov telefon
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@Libertus preporučam Droidify kao alternativu za F-Droid jer uz F-Droid repo koristi i IzzyOnDroid. Dobiješ veći izbor aplikacija i bolje sučelje.
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Staro 19.08.2025., 13:03   #10
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Meni je Graphene na Pixelu 8 i Pixelu 8 Pro i nemam nekih zamjerki. Google services nisam instalirao nego koristim onaj neki minimalni GMS koji se vrti u sandboxu, dođe sa Pixelom. Ništa od Google aplikacija nemam niti mi trebaju. Za appstore je Aurora OK. Radi mi Uber, Revolut i sve ostalo što mi treba. Facebook koristim kroz Brave browser. Odlična stvar kod Graphene OSa je što se aplikacijama mogu dodjeljivati prava na samo određene foldere, a ne na cijeli storage, isto vrijedi i za kontakte. Također se na razini aplikacije može dodijeliti ili zabraniti net permission.
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Top, hvala! I hvala na tipu za Aurora. Baš sam gledao kako zaobići Google Play geo blokiranje, probao Auroru, radi.
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Zadnjih mjesec dana koristim GrapheneOS na Pixel 9 Pro pa da napišem kratki osvrt. Ukoliko ima kakvih pitanja, pošaljite pa odgovorim ako znam.

Instalacija je bila top, super jednostavna. Instalirao na Win 11 mašini, Chrome je obavezan. Probao na Firefox pokrenuti instalaciju, kada nije prolazio pročitao ponovno upute. Naravno da sam preskakao dio uputa, i tamo je bilo da se koristi Chrome ili Chromium.
Jednostavno posjetite web, i pratite upute, stvarno je guide za idiote, i nema komplikacija. Traje cca 10 minuta, zavisno od brzine vaše internet veze.

Dobijete mobitel s golim AOSP Andridom, bez Google aplikacija, bez bloatware. Iznenadio sam se kada sam neki dan pročitao da GrapheneOS sada ima oko 400.000 korisnika.

Moram sam djelomično prilagoditi glavu, ali u tome sam pronašao neke dobre aplikacije za koje nisam znao da postoje. Ukoliko želite koristiti sve Google aplikacije kao i prije, uglavnom možete sve osim Wallet aplikacije.

Umjesto Google Wallet za kartice možete koristiti Curve, jer oni izgleda nude svoj wallet koji radi preko NFC mobitela.

GrapheneOS podržava sandboxed Google Play i Google Play Services, što znači da nemaju root pristup sustavu, nego se ponašaju kao i sve ostale aplikacije. Npr. kod mene nemaju pristup ničemu osim Internetu. Ne mogu čitati kontakte, datoteke, lokaciju, mic, kameru itd...

Jedan od top prednosti mi je da prilikom instalacije bilo koje aplikacije OS vas pita da li joj želite dozvoliti Internet. Sada npr. možete koristiti SMS Parking s Google Play, ali bez interneta, tj. nema reklama itd. Isto vrijedi i za sve ostale aplikacije. Ne morate vjerovati niti jednoj aplikaciji, jednostavno im ne dozvolite pristup internetu ako mislite da nema potrebe za to.

Sigurnosne nadogradnje za OS dolaze svako malo, izdaju ih mjeseci prije bilo kojeg drugog OEM-a.

Najveći strah mi je bio da bankarske aplikacije neće raditi, ali na kraju sve rade bez problema. Jedino mHPB ponekad detektira da nije na Google certified OS, ali izbaci poruku da koristim aplikaciju na vlastitu odgovornost i ne radi probleme.

Najveća mana mi bio Dialer aplikacija (telefon), koji je AOSP verzija i nije detaljno razrađena kao kod Samsunga. Npr. nema speed dial, iz nekog razloga ne prikazuje da netko zove dok sam već u pozivu, te nekoliko drugih sitnica. Isto sam riješio neki dan kada sam instalirao Google Phone, tj. Pixel aplikaciju za telefon kojoj sam blokirao internet i neke druge dozvole. Ni ona nije savršena, ali ima ispravljeno nekoliko sitnice koje sam primijetio, tako da ću ostaviti za sada.

Za kameru koristim Pixel kameru, također blokiran internet i gotovo sva dopuštenja. Radi top, baš sam u zadnjih tjedan dana napravio nekoliko GB slika i snimaka, oduševljen sam kamerom.

Neke aplikacije koje sada koristim:
LibreTube - Youtube zamjena, meni radi top. Ne treba se prijaviti u račun, nema reklama, može raditi u pozadini, može se preuzimati video i audio (ili samo nešto od toga) za offline korištenje itd.
Catima - aplikacija za loyalty kartice, zamjena za stocard
Nora - app koji unutar sebe pristupa web verzijama društvenih mreža (facebook, twitter, tiktok...)
HeliBoard - tipkovnica
Aegis - 2FA auth aplikacija, čini mi se da je bolja od Google Authenticator
Tasks.Org - zadaci
DAVx5 - sinkronizacija kontakta, kalendara i zadataka
Aurora store - instalacija google play aplikacija bez Google play
F-Droid store - većinu gore navedenih aplikacija se može naći ovdje
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Da li radi Voice over wifi?
Nisam u Pixel 7 stavio karticu, pa to nisam probao.
Fossify appovi su ok, koristim gallery, notes, contacts i Breezy Weather.

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Kako da to testiram?
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Na Samsungu kad je mobilni signal slab i mobitel je spojen na wireless, poziv se ostvaruje preko wifi mreze.

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