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Staro 21.02.2025., 09:27   #571
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Imaju dobre proizvode, ali sistem prodaje je ljigav. Lose ako prelazis s prošle generacije, ali ako prelazis s serije 1/2/3 je dobar skok.

Kada se cijene malo unormale ću kupiti nešto u rangu 4080s/5070ti/5080/9070xt. I onda to držati barem dvije generacije.

Uvjek gledam $/fps i to mi je najbitnije. Sve ove nove grafe su preskupe za to sta nude.



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Staro 21.02.2025., 09:50   #572
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Možda 3 generacije, s 2 generacije je užasan skok. 3080 sam platio polovnu prije 2g 550e ovdje na forumu. Da ju danas zamijenim e ekvivalentnim proizvodom nove generacije, moram iskeširati 1,500e, za 35% napretka (prema Tecshpotu, 2k rezolucija).

Prvi je problem da je to nikakav napredak za hrpu love, jedino je RAM prednost. Drugi je problem što je $/fps u pravim cijenama bio bolji u prošloj generaciji jer je ova užasna po tome. Tako da su usrali i taj upgrade path s prethodnih generacija.
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Staro 22.02.2025., 11:28   #574
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Staro 22.02.2025., 19:02   #575
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Zašto je ovo u 50x0 temi kad radi na svim RTX
Ali da, ovo je zbilja odlično. Napravio sam override i meni sad DLSS balanced izgleda bolje od prijašnjeg native+TAA. Zloglasnog blura uopće više nema. Kaže Tim da DLSS3 izgleda kao 1440p a DLSS4 kao 4k Imam lock na 240 fps-a (osim tamo gdje je CPU bottleneck naravno) u većini toga što me zanima a grafa vuče 150W. Nisam ni probao DLSS4 performance jer mi se čini da je to ipak bolje za 4k upscale.
Uglavnom, ovo je sigurno najbolja stvar koju je nvidia predstavila u dugo vremena a jedva da su to spomenuli
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Staro 22.02.2025., 19:19   #576
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Da, čini se da je nekako očito da štancaju i to malo što štancaju preko one stvari i loše. Jensenu je mrsko da mu te jeftine napravice oduzimaju proizvodne kapacitete dok traje AI balon
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Staro 22.02.2025., 20:01   #578
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Je, komotno su RTX 5000 mogli izbaciti negdje na ljeto ili čak u jesenskom periodu, jer ionak nemaju žurbu zbog nedostataka konkurencije. Ovak sve skupa ispada ni vrit ni mimo.
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Staro 23.02.2025., 12:46   #579
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Dakle da rezmiriamo za sada pošto svaki drugi dan izlaze nove nepovoljen informacije.
Ovo je nasvirana Ada, ali po svemu sudeći teški škart. MSRP koji nema veze sa stvarnošću i velika nedostupnost sa najavom da u slj 4+mj neće biti ništa bolje. 5070Ti i 5090 su uz to silikonska lutrija koliko ROPova će se dobit. 5090 je lako zapaljiva roba sa još gore riješenim 12VHPWR jer sve piči preko 1 žice. Blackwell općenito ima crne ekrane u kombinaciji sa BSOD (loši driveri i/ili HW). I sve to ne spriječava apsolutno suludo nenormalne cijene i sve se rasprodaje unaprijed i plaća u bubrezima i gold pressed latinumu.

Jensen je upravo sa trona skinuo Jobsa, preciznije Jobs nikada nije prodavao škart, samo je skupo naplaćivao to malo što je davao. Jensen ne da daje malo, nego uvaljuje otpad.

Ako ima i zrnce mozga kod idiota u AMDu, sada im je prilika veća nego ikada (zadnji put im se ovako posložilo kod Fermija, a prije toga kod krša zvanog GeForce FX) i bilo bi im pametno da poslušaju HWU Stevu koji je rekao da 9070XT ne smije ići preko 550$ MSRP, a non XT mislim 450$ ne sjećam se više. Da li ovim potezom gube lovu ili ne...teško je znati, ali ovako će dobiti onu najbrojniju publiku. Valve ih je ubacio u Linux gaming koji je postao sada već pristojna konkurencija Windowsima, e sada još samo da malo skinu gaće za bolje sutra jer nV vuče ove sulude poteze.

Naravno da AMD neće to napraviti nego će najvj spucat kakvih 800+€ cijene i neće se ništa promijeniti.

U petak možda budemo malo pametniji, mooožda. Premda se nagađa da neće biti cijene, da to odlučuju 10min prije službene prodaje.

Ne znam kako ne uče, pa Zen ih je postavio tu gdje jesu trenutno, krenuli su sa suludo niskim cijenama i pomalo i sigurno preskočili Intel i sada trče u krug oko njih.
Cijena je sve, jedan od najboljih dokaza je 299$ fora sa prvim Playstationom sa kojim je frajer razbijesnio gazde, ali su poslije shvatili da je to bio THE potez (i još je to izveo svjetski). Navodno je ovo bila odluka US dijela, mimo JAP dijela Sonya.

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Staro 23.02.2025., 12:56   #580
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IMHO AMD sad ima i više, nego dovoljno financijske pozadine da nove RX 9070 kartice prodaju po stvarno konkurentnim cijenama, pa makar ih to i kratkoročno koštalo, jer ostale profitabilnije divizije ih ionako pokrivaju po tom pitanju. I ne bi bilo loše da odjebu kompletni Radeon PR i marketing dio priče, jer Frank Azor i podanici ne služe ama baš ničemu.
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@Disco... poveznica sa Sony-em ti je loša, jer su oni ubirali najveći profit preko igrica.

Po meni, ako AMD bude 20% jeftiniji za iste preformanse, na konju su... ne može biti duplo jeftiniji imho
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@Disco... poveznica sa Sony-em ti je loša, jer su oni ubirali najveći profit preko igrica.

Po meni, ako AMD bude 20% jeftiniji za iste preformanse, na konju su... ne može biti duplo jeftiniji imho
OK stoji to da, dao sam samo primjer gdje se vidi da je cijena sve ako imaš neprikosnovenu konkurenciju (Nintendo i Sega u to vrijeme).
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Staro 23.02.2025., 15:39   #584
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Vjerojatno sa grafičkom dobiju i upute kako je moraju ocijeniti

Ne kažem da je loša, ali te ocjene definitivno nisu zavrijedile s obzirom da pomaka u performansama nema, cijene ošle u nebo, dobavljivost nikakva, neki primjerci su sa nedostatkom ROP-ova... Serija 5 definitivno iznad 75% ocjene nema što tražiti
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OK stoji to da, dao sam samo primjer gdje se vidi da je cijena sve ako imaš neprikosnovenu konkurenciju (Nintendo i Sega u to vrijeme).
Ma kužim te šta si htio reći... samo mi se čini da se stvara neki nepotrebni hype da Radeon bude 50% jeftinija za iste preformanse kao nVidia... a to se sigurno neće desiti.

Iskreno navijam ful da Radeon ubere barem 40% tržišta s ovom generacijom, jer je ovo postalo suludo.
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Ukoliko se ove potencijalne RDNA 4 performanse pokažu stvarne i istinite, onda bi im IMHO mogli smjestiti situaciju kakvu su imali s orginalnim Zenom, pa su R7 1800X, 1700X i 1700 modeli s cijenama od 500$, 400$ i 330$ uspješno konkurirali 1.000$ vrijednim Core i9-6900K modelima. Non-stop se vrte informacije da RDNA 4 nudi rang RTX 4080 performansi, a obzirom da su RTX 5080 i RTX 5070 Ti sad i službeni potvrđeni kako imaju u prosjeku tek 10-15% porast performansi u odnosu na prijašnju generaciju, cjenovno bi RX 9070 modeli mogli koštati osjetno manje, jer AMD već ima poveću zalihu koja dobrih dva mjeseca čeka diljem skladišta raznih dućana, a i proizvodnja ih ne košta ništ pretjerano u odnosu na RTX 5000. Obzirom da se RTX 5000 serija uopće ne može kupiti po ovim tragikomičnim cijenama, RDNA 4 (kak smo već i prije komentirali) s cijenom od 500€, 600€ ili čak i 700€ može proći bez problema, jer AMD sad ima više novaca nego ikada u povijesti firme, osim, ako Frank Azor opet u zadnji čas ne stavi svoj ego ispred interersa firme.
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Kakvih crnih 500-600€, iskoristit ce situaciju i opalit 800+€....
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Meni više manje svejedno, ali ako ne bude > 800 tko će izdrzat sva ta objašnjenja kako je to zapravo ovako i onako Možda najbolje da ide preko 1000 samo za mir u kući.
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Vjerojatno sa grafičkom dobiju i upute kako je moraju ocijeniti

Ne kažem da je loša, ali te ocjene definitivno nisu zavrijedile s obzirom da pomaka u performansama nema, cijene ošle u nebo, dobavljivost nikakva, neki primjerci su sa nedostatkom ROP-ova... Serija 5 definitivno iznad 75% ocjene nema što tražiti

Ako ćemo uspoređivat što su ranije serije 70 donijele, onda je definitivno loša. 1070 je bila puno bolja grafa od 980, 2070 dost jača od 1080, čak i bez dlss-a i sl, 3070 opet dosta jača od 2080, 4070 je tu počela već štekati malo ali je bar bila dost jeftinija od 3080. Sve ove gore 70 serije su bile jeftinije od 80 prethodnika.
Danas imamo 5070Ti koji je manje više ista stvar kao 4080 samo je još i skuplji
Dakle definitivno se radi o lošoj vrijednost za novac, vrlo lošoj.


Što se Radeona tiče, sigurno neće prodavati 9070XT ispod 900-1000 EUR-a. Ako je točno da je brži od 5070Ti i ako je točno da je FSR4 odličan upgrade, bili bi blesavi da to rasprodaju za kiki riki u okolnostima u kojima konkurencija ima preskupe kartice sa dobrom količinom problema koje uz to uopće nema na stocku
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Meni više manje svejedno, ali ako ne bude > 800 tko će izdrzat sva ta objašnjenja kako je to zapravo ovako i onako Možda najbolje da ide preko 1000 samo za mir u kući.
Iskreno, taman i da bude 800€ kod nas za RX 9070 XT i nek bude 650€ za RX 9070, to je opet duplo manje novaca od ovih cifri koje se traže u lokalnim dućanima za RTX 5080 (1.900€) i RTX 5070 Ti (1.300€) i još su k tome nedobavljive. Kak god se okrene, ne bi bila loša kombinacija, jer ovo kaj nVidia prodaje i nudi u sklopu Blackwell izdanja se može fino staviti u kategoriju elektroničkog otpada.
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AMD da bi uspio treba sada vj 2-3 generacije dati debelo ispod cijene, ali on to najvj neće napraviti, nego će biti ona klasika kao i do sada. Napucane cijene na launchu i onda 2mj kasnije neslužbeno sniženje. Uvijek rade istu grešku i ništa ne uče.

I da, skroz sam zaboravio dodati da Blackwell više ne podržava 32bitni Physix, joše jedan plus za BL. Realno nije da je neki gubitak, ali nakupilo im se sada svašta sa BL i vjerujem da će ljudi i dalje davati bubrege za to, a AMD će se sa strane čuditi kao njih nitko neće za 10% nižu cijenu...
Da dodam i već unaprijed najavljenu nestašicu 5060 i 5070 zbog ''problema u proizvodnji'', tako da i one kad dođu u trgovine budu išle po vj fantastičnim cijenama.
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Nemaju izbora, nego napraviti točno to da ponude kartice po donekle normalnim i prihvatljivim cijenama, a ne 100$ niže od RTX 5000 kak su to (opet) orginalno planirali i za RDNA 4 predstavljanje na CES-u, pa su se usrali i sad dva već mjeseca pretaču iz šupljeg u prazno. RTX 5060 i 5070 modeli budu također super prošli kod kritike i publike, naročito nakon kaj su ovi jači modeli uspjeli ostaviti toliko pozitivne dojmove.
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Sve sami hitovi na RTX 5000 kompilaciji.
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First GeForce RTX 5080 discovered with 104 ROPS, 8 missing in action, apparently it is not just RTX 5090 and RTX 5070 Ti, but also 5080.
Missing ROP configurations:
  • GeForce RTX 5090(D): 168 instead of 176
  • GeForce RTX 5080: 104 instead of 112
  • GeForce RTX 5070 Ti: 88 instead of 96
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Ovo je očito bila APP spika i uvalili su sve, nema više bacanja, silikonska lutrija je dostigla novi nivo.
Sada igra da li dobijaš tu grafu koju si platio ili ne.
nV ubija, puca na sve cilindre.
Samo da se AMD unormali iskoristi ovu priliku, doslovno im se sve posložilo.
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Da, Blackwell proizvodnja za RTX 5000 modele je počela tek koji tjedan prije, nego su ih službeno predstavili, pa su svi recenzenti dobili zasebne FE modele unutar dediciranih recenzentskih primjeraka, zajedno s pripadajućim serijskim brojem. I onda kad su skužili da nikak ne bude dosta kartica, ovo kaj veliš, više nije bilo bitno da li fali koji ROP sim-tam, pakiraj sve, pa nek stoje u redu pred dućanima i plaćaju tisuće dukata za doslovni škart kojem je 12VHPWR/12V-2x6 konektor sad najmanji problem.
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Ajebemti early adoptera, kak da provjerim na ovoj svojoj 5090 dal su joj svi na broju?
Jel to mogu RMA-irat?
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Ovo što pišu "ROP configuration" zapravo nema veze sa konfiguracijom nego osakaćenim hardwerom? Ovo miriše na fijasko s onih 512MB sporog RAMa. Stvarno su usrali motku, ako ne možeš ni specifikacije zadovoljiti, što reći, kakvu posluku porati?
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Je, hardver je sfušan, tj. namjerno su pustili te modele s 8 ROP jedinica manje, jer ionak nemaju dosta kapaciteta.

Kaj se RMA tiče, obzirom na dostupnost, pitanje je kaj i kad budu poslali natrag kao novo. Iste, a različite (press build).
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Ajebemti early adoptera, kak da provjerim na ovoj svojoj 5090 dal su joj svi na broju?
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Kakav epic fail. Ali to je samo nuspojava vremena laži o obmane u kojem živimo.
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