Project Denver - nVidia ulazi u desktop/notebook CPU proizvodnju sa ARM procesorima

[Skorn]

upravo najavljeno na CES 2011.

"A "full custom processor," designed by NVIDIA in partnership with ARM. World's first ARM processor targeted at high performance computing. NVIDIA really sprung this Project Denver as a major surprise at the end of its CES press conference here. This chip is "in development" and seems intent to conquer the desktop and laptop scene that is currently wholly owned by the x86 duo of AMD and Intel. It's true folks, NVIDIA's building a CPU! Madness!

It's hard to properly express the gravity of a move like. ARM processors, as Jen-Hsun Huang just pointed out, are becoming the most ubiquitous around the world because of their great success on the mobile front. Taking them into the fortress of high performance computing is a daring decision, but if anyone has the requisite technical knowhow and OEM relationships to hit that ball out of the park, it's NVIDIA. For its part, Jen-Hsun's company is taking its antagonism with Intel to the next logical stage, finally announcing that it'll leap out of the GPU market and into the shark waters of CPU manufacturing. And oh yes, Microsoft just announced ARM compatibility for the next version of Windows. The future just got a lot more exciting.

Update: The press release (available after the break) informs us that Project Denver will integrate graphics processing with straight computational skills in a fully integrated CPU / GPU hybrid package -- much like AMD's Fusion hardware -- and we've got a highly informative blog post from NVIDIA's Chief Scientist Bill Dally for you at the link below."

link

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/n...r-the-desktop/

also

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/m...s-will-play-n/

[domis]

supač, još više socketa i još više neoptimiziranih programa...

al uglavnom, barem bude sve pojeftinilo

[nino]

Hoce li pokazati i prvi drveni cpu.

[Swarm dude]

Hmmm, zanimljivo, samo ako je generalno stajalište da programi (barem na Windowsima) nisu dovoljno optimizirani za CISC procesore, kako li će tek biti na RISC (ARM) kad će trebati više instrukcija za obaviti jednu te istu stvar?
Ali u svakom slučaju, interesantno, ima moju pozornost

[kripton]

Zanimljivo, mozda dobijemo situaciju kao kod AMD-ATi, no iovako su tu 2 najveca proizvodjaca Intel i AMD, a Intel po postotku ima jedno 3 puta vecu proizvodnju? Nvidia ce se namucit.

[stef]

ARM nema veze se Intelom, AMDom i x86 općenito.
Proizvodit će Arapi, Tajvanci, Koreanci, Kinezi ... TSMC, GloFlo, Samsung, UMC ... nikad se više fabova nije gradilo, nego što je to trenutno slučaj.
Ak se progura softver, za hardver je lako. Ima tko pored Nvidije ... Samsung, Qualcomm, TI. Ovo ne treba gledati kao striktno Nvidijinu platformu nego kao ARM desktop/server platformu (vjerojatno baziranu na Cortex A15).

[cccp]

Proći će još par godina, A15 je predviđen za 2013. Kako su Intel i AMD počeli sa snižavanjem potrošnje svojih procesora mislim da bi oni mogli dobiti komadić ARM-ovog kolača. U svakom slučaju bit će zanimljivo. Ne znam što im "high performance computing" znači, ali sumnjam da će brzo stići do razine perfomansi koju danas nude "high performance computing" x86 procesori. Prije da je to Intelova "good enough" razina. Sigurno je da Intel i AMD neće čekati prekrštenih ruku.

[Bubba]

Autor Swarm dude

Hmmm, zanimljivo, samo ako je generalno stajalište da programi (barem na Windowsima) nisu dovoljno optimizirani za CISC procesore, kako li će tek biti na RISC (ARM) kad će trebati više instrukcija za obaviti jednu te istu stvar?

Kako se to program "optimizira za CISC"?

[Sinac]

Mislim da je Nvidia najavljivala takvo nešto još dok se razvijao Ion. Uglavnom, suradnja Nvidie i ARM-a mogla bi uroditi dobrom platformom, pogotovo što i Intel i AMD smišljaju integraciju CPU i GPU za slijedeće generacije proizvoda. Mislim da bi CPU sa integriranim Nvidia GPU bio bolja varijanta nego Intel i njegov integrirani GPU, za AMD bude tek vrijeme pokazalo. Ionako tržište teži velikoj snagi a uz malu potrošnju energije za mobilne platforme - netbook, tableti, e-book readeri, smartphone. Sve u svemu, Nvidia je rijetko imala promašene investicije, sjetite se 3DFX i Ageie, sva je ta tehnologija u današnjim proizvodima, koliko god 3DFX bio na rubu bankrota i koliko god da je Ageia imala poteškoća da progura Physix u igre.

[Swarm dude]

Autor Bubba

Kako se to program "optimizira za CISC"?

Ma ne za CISC nego na CISC arhitekturi znaš što sam htio reći, eto, za isprogramirati nešto na CISC-u treba manje instrukcija a na RISC-u više

[domis]

mislim da je to ocito ako znas sto zapravo znace CISC i RISC

[Bubba]

Autor Swarm dude

Ma ne za CISC nego na CISC arhitekturi znaš što sam htio reći, eto, za isprogramirati nešto na CISC-u treba manje instrukcija a na RISC-u više

Onda ti ne znas sto podrazumijeva pojam CISC/RISC.

Odakle ti ideja da za za "CISC treba vise za RISC manje instrukcija da se isprogramira nesto"? Ovo "R" tj. reduced ne znaci da instrukcija ima *malo* (kontraprimjera imas nebrojeno, za DZ ih pronadji sam), nego da su instrukcije jednostavne/kratke/brzo izvedive. Na kraju krajeva, sam Patterson je na presao u Sun kada je shvatio da njegov proof of concept (RISC 1 i RISC 2) mogu funkcionirati, i to relativno dobro.

Tehnicki, inicijalna zamisao RISC-a uopce ne podrazumijeva pipeline, tako da niti jedan procesor koji danas postoji prakticki nije RISC.

Vec prije 10 godina (uvodjenjem ucodiranja cipova) bilo je nemoguce razlikovati CISC i RISC (sa svim iznimkama koje nose). Danas je to jos teze, s ovim stupnjem integracije...

[e1ectra_one]

Zar i Creative nije trebao CPU-e neke proizvodit

[Skorn]

Intel agrees to pay NVIDIA $1.5b in patent license fees, signs cross-license

Between slagging each other off with cartoons like the one above and taking each other to court over chipset licenses, there's been no love lost between NVIDIA and Intel over the past few years -- but it looks like the war is over. The two companies just announced a new six-year cross-licensing deal that will see Intel paying NVIDIA a total of $1.5b over the next five years for access to NVIDIA's technology, while also giving NVIDIA a license to some of Intel's patents. The two companies have also agreed to drop all pending litigation, because you know, they're now friends who just exchanged a billion and half dollars. Crucially, Intel won't give up rights to x86, flash memory or "certain chipsets," so we don't really know if this agreement allows NVIDIA to produce integrated graphics for Sandy Bridge -- although most manufacturers are going with an Optimus-style discrete / integrated switchable arrangement that pairs Intel's on-die graphics with a discrete NVIDIA chip anyway, so we're not so sure it actually matters. We would love to see NVIDIA support Intel's Wireless Display 2.0 and the new Insider 1080p movie service, though -- and if these two coming closer together results in better Intel on-board graphics that can rival AMD Fusion, well, things will get very interesting indeed. Oh, the possibilities of peace.

P.S.- And seriously, what a turnaround for NVIDIA at CES: it's gone from being the company that was going nowhere with Tegra to completely dominating the Android landscape with Tegra 2, finding its way into all sorts of cars, and upending the desktop processor space with Project Denver -- all while pocketing $1.5b of Intel's cash while doing it. Not bad work for one Mr. Jen-Hsun

source:


http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/10/i...-fees-signs-c/