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Staro 13.06.2025., 23:19   #1
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Ola,

Dakle, grafa još zajebava. Svi ljudi koje sam pitao nemaju pojma i generalno se vraćaju na "reinstaliraj drivere", ali doslovno ništa ne pomaže. Iskreno, trenutno sam spreman zapalit i bacit je kroz prozor, možda zatvoren.

Prešlo je iz tu i tamo u dnevno 2-4 puta.

Nisu driveri; svježi su sjeli već 20 puta.
Nije grafička; bila kod ADMa i nema problema.
Nije napajanje; novo je RM1000x 2024.

Što ostaje je proc, RAM, matična i SSD.

Nebi trebao biti RAM - memtest86 bez problema, i zajedno su 2x16 prošli bez problema 2 puta po 4 passa.

SSD je na 93% health.

Već sam pitao na elevenforums ali grafa radi bez problema na drugom kompjuteru.

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/proble...drivers.36768/

Matična mi ne podržava jedini backup proc koji imam; R5 1600AF; imam neke rezervne mismatched RAMe ali sumnjam da je to uz odrađen memtest.

Krešanje se nemre deterministički reproducirati, i uobičajeno dolazi za vrijeme opterećenja grafičke; do sada nije bilo kreša dok je idle. Također se nikada nije krešalo za vrijeme furmarka ili nečeg takvog.

Što sad? Neironično nemam više ideje, a na pol puta sam da bacim molotovljev u ovo.

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Staro 14.06.2025., 01:50   #2
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Proc je vazan za test kad se sve crasha. Ja sam se jednom zajebavao s crashom sa amd 5600x procom jer je “nemoguce “ da je proc kriv, na kraju bio bas on.
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Proc je vazan za test kad se sve crasha. Ja sam se jednom zajebavao s crashom sa amd 5600x procom jer je “nemoguce “ da je proc kriv, na kraju bio bas on.
Koji test preporučaš?

Crashevi su nasumični, a ako ću testirat trebat ću od cure posudit R5 3600, pa će ona bit van stroja neko vrijeme.
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Staro 14.06.2025., 10:02   #4
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Dada, mislim logcno il mobo il proc, mozda imas jedan krivi pin ili nesto tako, i kad se pogodi tocno ta kombinaicja crash
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Koji test preporučaš?

Crashevi su nasumični, a ako ću testirat trebat ću od cure posudit R5 3600, pa će ona bit van stroja neko vrijeme.

Jedini pravi test je da radis ono sto i inace pa da vidis da li crasha. Ja sam radio milijun testova i sve proslo super. Na kraju crash na youtube-u ili crash u samo jednoj igrici. Nakon zamjene proca crash je potpuno nestao.
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Staro 14.06.2025., 11:09   #6
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Niš, odem do ADMa, curi ionak treba upgrade za proc, pa uzmem 5700x i testiram kod sebe, nakon što testiram ovaj RAM koji je sad kod mene.
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Staro 14.06.2025., 12:37   #7
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Probaj jos i ustekat pc u drugu uticnicu. Neki clanovi su imali problema s npr produznim kablom.
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Staro 14.06.2025., 12:50   #8
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Kada matična ploča bude defektna može se dogoditi da se ruši s jednim procesorom a radi s drugim (oba ispravna). Dogodilo mi se X puta.

Novo napajanje nenznači da je ispravno.

Imao sam i RAMove koji su prolazili memtest ali ih ploča nije voljela. Od tada izbjegavam G.Skill kao kugu.

Prvo bi probao ovo što je kolega rekao. Imao sam situaciju kada je komp random kršio zbog loše utičnice u zidu.
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Staro 14.06.2025., 12:53   #9
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Možda nisam dovoljno pozorno čitao, ali što točno znači "crash" u ovom slučaju?
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Staro 14.06.2025., 12:55   #10
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I to isto. Da li se smrzne, reboota, baci plavi ekran i smrzne, baci plavi ekran i reboota…?
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Kupi sata ssd 120gb, pocupaj svoje, digni win 10/11 na frisko, pa vidi sto se dogadja.

OCCT video ram test pod obavezno. Ako ti on daje errore, grafica je za rma.
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Staro 14.06.2025., 14:50   #12
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iz znatiželje sam instalirao OCCT test i pustio 2 minute da odvrti.

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Staro 14.06.2025., 15:02   #13
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Nikojim redom:

1) OCCT VRAM test sam radio prije još i nije bilo problema, grafa je bila na RMA i ni ADM ni kolege u njemačkoj nisu našli problem
2) Kreševi su šareni - većinom crash to desktop, 2 puta bluescreen ali to mislim da je sanirano, par puta kompletno zamrznuto, i jedno 50% vremena kad je crash to desktop, background na desktopu nestane što je malo čudno
3) Drugi komp nema problema nikakvih, na istoj letvi je koja je jedna od onih malo jačih, ali pogledam jel imam neku di se mogu spojit
4) budem onda piknuo win na A400 što imam, pa javim.
5) Temperature znaju ljeti doć do 85-90, ali krešalo se i zimi kad su ispod 75.

Nez jesam neš fulo. Also, maknuo sam ovaj Kingston fury 2x16, sad sam na nekim random stickovima 2x8, vidit ću će to zezat.
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Staro 14.06.2025., 18:46   #14
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Pitanje: jel moguće da su mi driveri za slušalice sjebali nešto? Odradio sam chkdsk i makli su mi se driveri za Audeze Maxwell dongle; znaju nekad malo zajebavat sa konekcijom tu i tamo.
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Bilo kakvi loši driveri mogu stvarati probleme. Probaj ih počistiti (škicni i Hidden devices u Device Manageru) i ne koristiti sluške/dongle, pa vidi par dana kreša li se.
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Ne vjerujem da bi bilo koji driver uzrokovao crash same aplikacije. BSOD da, bez problema.
Taj crash to desktop su neke određene, uvijek iste aplikacije? Igre, pretpostavljam?
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Ne vjerujem da bi bilo koji driver uzrokovao crash same aplikacije. BSOD da, bez problema.
Taj crash to desktop su neke određene, uvijek iste aplikacije? Igre, pretpostavljam?
Oui, ali zna imati čudne side effectove, npr par puta su mi driveri isparili nakon hard crasha. Također, Visual Studio je jednom prdnuo ali mislim da je nevezano, jer sam slučajno ištekao ventilatore. Whoops.
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Dakle, grafa još zajebava.
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Nije grafička; bila kod ADMa i nema problema.
Ovo je nekonzistentnost i zbunjuje, a tu je i pretpostavka.

Što se tiče "krešanja" to se zove neprecizan opis simptoma. Najgore je kad se kreša na desktop

Općenito što se tiče krešanja ja bih probao malo sa opcijama/mogućnostima cpu-a u biosu se poigrat. Imao sam slična krešanja dok nisam uključio/isključio neki feauture za cpu, ne sjećam se koji, ali očito bios po default postavkama, iako podržava procesor nije bio 100% kompatibilan.

Prije svega bih, ako sumjam na grafičku, probao sa drugom grafičkom, čisto dedukcije radi.
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9 od 10 problema koje sam imao s AMD-om su nekompatibilnosti između CPU i RAM. Radi, radi i onda odjednom sranje. Nikad neće baciti grešku jer je RAM ispravan ali se ne voli s CPU/chipset kombinacijom.
Osjetljivi su na RAM daleko više nego Intel. Ako imaš mogućnosti, probaj nabaviti neki službeno kompatibilan i isprobaj. 99.9% je to
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Clear CMOS, pa friški BIOS flash i nakon toga Load Optimized Defaults i tak nek ostane, dok se provjerava/testira funkcionalnost uz novu Windows OS instalaciju (i taj disk nek bude jedini spojen na ploču) s pripadajućim driverima za čipset i grafičku, jer nakon svega napisanog na ovom i onom stranom forumu - ovo je čušpajz samo takav. Sve "problematične" komponente su pojedinačno zapravo sasvim ispravne, dok se zajedno u istoj konfiguraciji skrši sve skupa svako malo.
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Sa AMD platformama sam se nagledo nekih poprilično čudnih scenarija, al generalno bi krenuo putem kak je Exiled već spomenuo sa friškim flešom zadnje verzije BIOSa, sve settinge na difoltu pa vidjet kaj kaže. Pomalo dodavat drivere i deviceove i probat ubrat nakon čega počnu problemi.

Dodo bi i 2 scenarija koje sam ja sreo:
- jedna varijanta se stalno rušila sve dok je RAM bio na difoltu, nekon što što je loadan XMP profil, sve je radilo bez greške nakon toga.
- drugi je full čudan i ima veze sa virtualizacijom. Ako je uključena u BIOSu i zaklika se i instalira Hyper-V u Windowsima, cijela stvar ode vrit i više ništa ne radi kak spada i nije stabilno
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SSD: Intel 760p 256GB NVME
HDD: WD Purple 1TB
PSU: FSP Hyper 700W
CASE: Antec 1200
OS: Windows 10 Pro

CPU: i5 4690k @4.5 GHz + Raijintek Themis
MBO: ASRock Z87 Pro3
RAM: 4x4GB Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz
GPU: Intel HD Graphics 4600
ODD: LG GH24NS70
SSD: Kingston HyperX Savage 240GB
PSU: Corsair TX 650W
CASE: Zalman Z3 Plus
OS: Windows 10 Pro

CPU: Xeon X5675 lapped + Arctic Freezer A30
MBO: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7
RAM: 3x2GB Corsair XMS3 1600MHz
GPU: Gigabyte HD 5450 1024MB
SSD: Corsair Force GT 120GB
HDD1: Toshiba P300 2TB
HDD2: Hitachi DeskStar 2TB
HDD3: Hitachi DeskStar 2TB
HDD4: WD Green 2TB
HDD5: WD Red 2TB
HDD6: WD Purple 4TB
PSU: Corsair CX 600M
CASE: Chieftec Bravo
OS: Windows 10 Pro

CPU: Xeon E5450 @3.0 GHz + Xigmatek Achilles
MBO: Asus P5Q SE/R
RAM: 2x2GB G.Skill 1000MHz + 2x2GB KingMax 800MHz
GPU: PoV Geforce GTX 550Ti 1024MB
FDD: Samsung SFD-321B 3.5"
ODD: LITEON iHAS124
SSD: Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB
HDD1: Maxtor DiamondMax 21 250GB
HDD2: Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 250GB
HDD3: Maxtor DiamondMax 20 80GB PATA
PSU: Fortron Blue Storm II 500W
CASE: Antec Sonata
OS: Windows 10 Pro + Windows Server 2012

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CPU: Intel Core2Quad Q6600 @3.06 GHz + Arctic Freezer Xtreme
MBO: Abit AB9 Pro
RAM: 6GB DDR2 800MHz
GPU: Asus R7 240 2GB
SND: Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic SB0460 + 5.25 Front panel
TV: Gigabyte GT-PTV-AF-RH hybrid
FDD: Samsung SFD-321B 3.5"
ODD: LG CH10LS20
SSD: LITE-ON LCS-256L9S 256GB
HDD1: WD Green 1TB
HDD2: Seeagate Baracuda 2TB
PSU: Sharkoon Rush Power C 500W
CASE: Lian Li PC-7FNB
OS: Win10 Pro, Win7 Pro, WinXP Pro

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CPU: Athlon 64 X2 6400+ @3.3 GHz + Zalman CNPS7000C-Cu
MBO: Epox EP-AF550 Pro/G
RAM: 2x1GB OCZ Platinum 800 + 2x1GB OCZ Gold 800MHz
GPU: Sapphire HD 4850 1024MB
FDD: Alps DF354H 3.5"
ODD: LG GH22LP20
HDD: Maxtor DiamondMax 21 250GB
PSU: Levicom VP450B.BL
CASE: Xilence X1
OS: Windows 7 Pro

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CPU: Pentium 4 3.00E @3.5 GHz + Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu
MBO: Abit AI7
RAM: 4x1GB Kingston 400MHz
GPU: Gainward 7600GT 256MB AGP
SND: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 SB0100
FDD1: TEAC FD-235HF 3.5"
FDD2: TEAC FD-55GFR 5.25"
ODD1: Pioneer DVD-106S Slot Loader
ODD2: Pioneer DVR-112DBK
HDD1: Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 160GB
HDD2: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 80GB
HDD3: Hitachi DeskStar 80GB SATA
PSU: Enlight 400W
CASE: Chieftec Dragon
OS: Windows XP SP3

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CPU: Athlon XP 3200+
MBO: Gigabyte GA-7N400
RAM: 2x1GB Kingston 400MHz
GPU: ATi 9800 Pro 128MB + Zalman VF700-Cu
FDD: Samsung SFD-321B 3.5"
ODD1: Aopen DVD-9632 Slot Loader
ODD2: Pioneer DVR-107D
HDD: WD 160GB
PSU: MS Platinum 400W
CASE: Chieftec Dragon
OS: Windows XP SP3

CPU: Pemtium MMX 233
MBO: Vtech VIB804DS
RAM: 2x32MB SDRAM
GPU1: ATi AIW 3D Rage Pro
GPU2: Diamond Monster II 8MB (Voodoo 2)
SND: Sound Blaster 16
FDD1: Mitsumi D359T5 3.5"
FDD2: Mitsumi D509V2 5.25"
ZIP: Iomega Z100ATAPI
ODD: Mitsumi CRMC-FX400
HDD: Seagate U4 6.4GB
PSU: DTK PTP-2008 200W
CASE: ES-COM AT case
OS: Windows 98SE

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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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9 od 10 problema koje sam imao s AMD-om su nekompatibilnosti između CPU i RAM. Radi, radi i onda odjednom sranje. Nikad neće baciti grešku jer je RAM ispravan ali se ne voli s CPU/chipset kombinacijom.
Osjetljivi su na RAM daleko više nego Intel. Ako imaš mogućnosti, probaj nabaviti neki službeno kompatibilan i isprobaj. 99.9% je to

To.

Vrtio sam jednom memtest cijeli vikend. Dvadesetak prolaza i niti jedna jedina greška. A Windoze se ruše. Linux također. Ti su bili oni G.Skillovi

Stavio drugi RAM (neki obični value RAM) i sve pet. Samo Renault 4. Svi problemi su nestali.

OP: probaj disejblat PBO, EXPO i ostala overclockerska s*anja.
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