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Staro 07.11.2005., 09:02   #1
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Staro 07.11.2005., 19:30   #2
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Se meni čini ili su ga oni popljuvali skoro u svakom pogledu osim response time i time rastavljanja???

Boje, kontrast, kut gledanja, filmovi, slike... sve je loše... Bo!
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Kut gledanja je točno onakav kako su opisali.

Boje isto, navodno se mogu podesit magictune softwareom, ali em je bugovit, em ja imam prenizak IQ za skužit kako kalibracija uopće radi, lol
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Staro 07.11.2005., 21:01   #4
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Baš sam se napalio da zamjenim svoj 959NF za LCD jer sam vidio pošten test novijih LCD monitora, ali nakon boljeg promatranja, svi su smeće.
Niti jedan nije dobar istovremeno za igre i za video...
ViewSonic-a nisam uspio pronaći u HR.

Nabasam sam na Samsung 940B (3000kn) i našao sam samo jedan test koji nije tako profesionalno obavljen kao testovi na stranici spomenutoj gore, pa ne znam. Ima ko kakva iskustva Sa tim monitorom ili neki pošteni review?
Možda neki noviji Samsungov?

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Staro 08.11.2005., 08:44   #5
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Samsung 193P+

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Staro 08.11.2005., 09:33   #6
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javlja se korisnik doticnog...
sve najbolje!
od filmova do igara...ma sve za pet.
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Staro 08.11.2005., 11:47   #7
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javlja se korisnik doticnog...
sve najbolje!
od filmova do igara...ma sve za pet.
javlja se osoba koja je zavidna na tvom ultra sexy monitoru
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Staro 08.11.2005., 12:32   #8
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Forget about the 193P+

We heard about it first last January under the 194P name. Officially named 193P+ in March, the first fast PVA Samsung (8 ms) monitor will have a life comparable to its response time. Samsung feel that it took them too long to release a fast PVA monitor and that other actors already have successfully released good MVA 8ms. 193P+ production will be stopped in October and it will be replaced by 6ms PVA 970P.

Until this date, Samsung prefer not to push the 193P+, present it to the press and don’t want any tests done."
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Staro 08.11.2005., 12:37   #9
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Originally posted by LorD ClockaN
Baš sam se napalio da zamjenim svoj 959NF za LCD jer sam vidio pošten test novijih LCD monitora, ali nakon boljeg promatranja, svi su smeće.
Niti jedan nije dobar istovremeno za igre i za video...
ViewSonic-a nisam uspio pronaći u HR.
...
Kao i ti i ja sam mislio da je moj 959NF dobar monitor za igre i video (kao što objektivno i je) i da LCD nije za igre ali...
...onda sam nabavio Dell 2005FPW i sad ponovo igram HL2 i mislim se je li to stvarno ista igra...a da ne spominjem FEAR ili COD2...

U ovom slučaju doslovno vrijedi ona : 'Koliko para toliko muzike' , a 'Ja nisam toliko bogat da kupujem jeftine stvari'...
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He want to talk to you.
He wants to give you his doctoral dissertation on why
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
is the greatest fucking film of all time!

He wants to bitch slap you because
you’ve never seen Big Trouble in Little China.
What? Have you been living in a fucking cave?!

He wants to kick your ass in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
And he will.
Because he’s a fucking Geek.

And he wants his toys.
He wants the complete set
in mint condition,
still in the box.
He wants every item on the planet that is even remotely related to Ultraman.
Because Ultraman is Airwolf!

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Such things are of no consequence to him.
What matters is the release date of the next Lord of the Rings movie!

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The Geek has no patience.
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And all he wants is stupid shit!

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He wants to see the Director’s Cut.
He wants the impossible to find Japanese bootleg with
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He wants to watch Blade Runner. Again.
He wants to watch Brazil. Again.
He wants to watch A Clockwork Orange.
Again and Again!

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until I can no longer ignore his voice
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I am Bruce Banner. He is the Hulk.
Especially the Hulk from issues #272 to #378.

But no longer!
I am putting a stop to all this nerdy shit right now!
I’m an adult, for Christ’s sake!
And this body isn’t big enough for the both of us.
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Staro 08.11.2005., 13:02   #10
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Pa kupio si vrlo jeftin monitor, prava stvar je onaj IBM od 8000$
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Originally posted by segregator
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Forget about the 193P+

We heard about it first last January under the 194P name. Officially named 193P+ in March, the first fast PVA Samsung (8 ms) monitor will have a life comparable to its response time. Samsung feel that it took them too long to release a fast PVA monitor and that other actors already have successfully released good MVA 8ms. 193P+ production will be stopped in October and it will be replaced by 6ms PVA 970P.

Until this date, Samsung prefer not to push the 193P+, present it to the press and don’t want any tests done."
Čitao sam cijeli ćlanak - dio koji si izostavio je hvalio sliku punim ustima.

Samsung ukida ovu liniju iz marketiških razloga - 8ms matrica se smatra zastarjelom za zapadno tržište.

To kaj monitor ima izvanrednu zasičenost boja, 8ms matricu, 170 * 170 stupnjeva kut i pravih 16,7 mil boja ( mnogi 4 ms modeli nemaju ) mi je bitnije od marketinga
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Staro 08.11.2005., 13:46   #12
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Koji članak?
Nema članka, samo vijest, koja ustvari objašnjava zašto članka NEMA

Ako misliš na članak o Fujitsu-Siemens P19-2, koji koristi istu matricu, evo što piše:

"’m sure that some of you haven’t read any of the paragraph above, in order to jump directly here and see how the P19-2 behaves with games…

We are going to disappoint a lot of you guys. This panel was much awaited as Samsung clearly pushed it during the last CeBit. We could try to find the words, but we feel that it is best to be direct: this panel sucks for games. There is no improvement compared to previous 25ms MVA panels. The result is so bad that we even asked ourselves if it wasn’t better before…the characters are all followed by a trail of light comparable to comet tails. There is something like a white fog behind them. It isn’t aesthetically pleasing and is tiring for our eyes as the monitor has some difficulties and gets blurred.

Because games aren’t all FPS, and that some will be pleased to spend hours with the next Civilization IV, we can’t give 0 to this monitor for games but it isn’t far from this grade."

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Staro 08.11.2005., 13:57   #13
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Originally posted by crn
Kao i ti i ja sam mislio da je moj 959NF dobar monitor za igre i video (kao što objektivno i je) i da LCD nije za igre ali...
...onda sam nabavio Dell 2005FPW i sad ponovo igram HL2 i mislim se je li to stvarno ista igra...a da ne spominjem FEAR ili COD2...

U ovom slučaju doslovno vrijedi ona : 'Koliko para toliko muzike' , a 'Ja nisam toliko bogat da kupujem jeftine stvari'...
F.E.A.R sa tvojom X700 pri rezi koju ima tvoj monitor baš i nije bog-zna-kaj igriv
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Staro 08.11.2005., 15:18   #14
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Originally posted by Jelc
F.E.A.R sa tvojom X700 pri rezi koju ima tvoj monitor baš i nije bog-zna-kaj igriv
Ma ide kad isključim AA i malo je clocknem( mada ne moram ja igrati na 1680x1050 jer monitor sasvim dobro interpolira niže rezolucije ali 'what's the point then')... a jebiga uvijek je nešto usko grlo
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Čini mi se da AA puno veću razliku radi na CRT nego na LCD. Na 959NF bez uključenog AA slika je bila za k*** a na LCD-u je sasvim prihvatljiva...je li 'do mene' ili ima tu nešto...
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I am able to function in a social setting.
I can speak at length with educated people about
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such as literature,
or the current political climate in Europe.

I am capable of conversing with you
without ever revealing that just underneath the surface
of this manufactured veneer
there hides an altogether different person.
A monster, some might say.
My alter-ego.
He is the opposite of the image I project.
He is the antithesis of Cool.
He is the LAST person you want to get trapped in a conversation with.

He is The Geek.
The obsessive science fiction movie watching,
comic book collecting,
Monty Python dialogue memorizing,
Dungeons and Dragons playing GEEK
that I struggle daily to keep hidden from the world.

But The Geek Wants Out.

He want to talk to you.
He wants to give you his doctoral dissertation on why
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
is the greatest fucking film of all time!

He wants to bitch slap you because
you’ve never seen Big Trouble in Little China.
What? Have you been living in a fucking cave?!

He wants to kick your ass in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
And he will.
Because he’s a fucking Geek.

And he wants his toys.
He wants the complete set
in mint condition,
still in the box.
He wants every item on the planet that is even remotely related to Ultraman.
Because Ultraman is Airwolf!

He could give a squirt of piss
about sports or politics or rhetoric.
Such things are of no consequence to him.
What matters is the release date of the next Lord of the Rings movie!

You see, The Geek can’t wait.
The Geek has no patience.
He wants what he wants when he wants it.
And all he wants is stupid shit!

He wants his own Tardis.
He wants his own light saber.
He wants to buy a DeLorean and he wants to drive it 88 miles per hour.

He wants movies.
He wants to see the Director’s Cut.
He wants the impossible to find Japanese bootleg with
6 minutes of never-before-seen footage.

He wants to watch Blade Runner. Again.
He wants to watch Brazil. Again.
He wants to watch A Clockwork Orange.
Again and Again!

But I deprive him of these things, as best I can,
until I can no longer ignore his voice
screaming in my head.

I am Jekyl. He is Hyde.
I am Bruce Banner. He is the Hulk.
Especially the Hulk from issues #272 to #378.

But no longer!
I am putting a stop to all this nerdy shit right now!
I’m an adult, for Christ’s sake!
And this body isn’t big enough for the both of us.
One of us has to go, and it’s gonna be him.
I banishing the Geek forever to the Phantom Zone,
just like in Superman II !
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Staro 08.11.2005., 16:07   #15
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Na kraju nitko nije vidio 940B
Evo jedan jedini review na netu danas: http://www.overclockersonline.com/in...ticles&num=311
Ja mislim da je monitor strava...

Šta mislite?

edit:
malo sam gledao reviewe za 193P+ i na jednom su ga pohvalili do nebesa, a na svim drugima govore da se vidi ghosting.

Da li na vašem 193P+ ima primjetnog ghostinga prilikom igranja ili nema? Ja sam picajzla..
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Staro 08.11.2005., 17:51   #16
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Jesam li ja ćorav, ili je to link za 915N, a ne za 940B?
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Jesam li ja ćorav, ili je to link za 915N, a ne za 940B?
ups, sad sam editirao link.

Evo ga i ovdje http://www.overclockersonline.com/in...ticles&num=311
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Inače, ja sam u globalu zadovoljan sa svojim 930BF, ali nije da je bez mana (kao i LCD tehnologija općenito)

Link sam postao iz 2 razloga:

1. da se vidi da ipak nije sve fino i krasno
2. msilim da se radi o site-u koji najozbiljnije pristupa testiranju od svih na koje sam dosad naletio. Ni izdaleka se ne može namirisati da im je netko ostavio hardware trajno, ako bi napisali nešto bolji review. nešto kao engleski PC pro prije 10-ak godina u papirnatom izdanju...ako je bilo i od M$-a a nije valjdalo, popljuvali bi ih do daske
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Da li na vašem 193P+ ima primjetnog ghostinga prilikom igranja ili nema? Ja sam picajzla..
Lorde, nema ghostanja.
igrao sam Quake 3 (ajmo reci da je to jedna od "najbrzih" igara) dosta intenzivno i sve radi bez problema.
cak se i na timedemou ne vidi...
8ms sasvim dovoljno.
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Samo napomena (da se netko ne zabuni) postoje 193P i 193P+...
193P je opisan na pce-link...
Od navedena dva 193P+ je bolji...
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Razmislit ću još, jer sam na dosta mjesta pročitao da 193P+ ima dosta izražen ghosting... Možda sam greškom gledao bez plusa, a znao sam da mora biti plus. Bo
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Link s kojeg sam pokupio info o siemensu koji koristi istu matricu kao i 193P+ (to je PLUS na kraju) piše da je ghosting katastrofalan, dali su mu ocjenu nula za igre
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ja sam sa 930BF zadovoljan, da je mogao bit bolji, je i crna boja i svjetlina i kut mi smeta, ali za te pare je super, inace gledao sam neki DVD na 193P i ispale su mi oci zica ludnica, crna boja je uvjerljiva ko na CRT-u.
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Na kraju nitko nije vidio 940B
Evo jedan jedini review na netu danas: http://www.overclockersonline.com/in...ticles&num=311
Ja mislim da je monitor strava...

Šta mislite?

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malo sam gledao reviewe za 193P+ i na jednom su ga pohvalili do nebesa, a na svim drugima govore da se vidi ghosting.

Da li na vašem 193P+ ima primjetnog ghostinga prilikom igranja ili nema? Ja sam picajzla..
ghosting se na 193P+ vidi ITEKAKO uostalom kao i na svim samsungovim S-PVA monitorima bilo da ih deklariraju kao 6,8 ili 16 ms
e sad je pitanje kolko se možeš na to naviknuti te kakve igre igraš
u nekim nije strašno u nekima je
930BF je puno brži i ghosting se jako malo primjetan no osjetno lošiji od 193P+ u svemu ostalom
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Staro 09.11.2005., 00:23   #25
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IIIIIIIIIISPRAVAKA,
ja se zaletio malo.
ja imam 173P+, ne 193. sry...
na 173 sve radi bez probl.
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Ghosting se na 193p+ NE VIDI. Za Fujitsu-Siemens monitor, istina, kazu da je ghosting strasan. Meni se cini da Fujitsu-Siemens koristi matricu bez overdrive-a (u prijevodu, malo lazu u specifikacijama).
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Originally posted by pinsla
ghosting se na 193P+ vidi ITEKAKO uostalom kao i na svim samsungovim S-PVA monitorima bilo da ih deklariraju kao 6,8 ili 16 ms
e sad je pitanje kolko se možeš na to naviknuti te kakve igre igraš
u nekim nije strašno u nekima je
930BF je puno brži i ghosting se jako malo primjetan no osjetno lošiji od 193P+ u svemu ostalom
E to sam htio čut od čovijeka kojeg najviše vjerujem što se tiće kvalitete slike.

Šta misliš na 940B? Barem po testovima

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Sad ste me svi sa vašim odgovorima smuvali :confused:
Em se vidi ghosting, em se ne vidi ghosting.
Ja želim monitor koji nema ghosting (ilijako mali), dobar video i dobre boje i dobar kontrast i.... Shvatili ste
Ako ima takav dobro, ako nema onda ću još čekati na nabavku LCDa
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Staro 09.11.2005., 15:42   #28
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Mislim da bi u tom slucaju bilo dobro pricekati. Naime, niti jedna od postojece tri tehnologije za proizvodnju matrica nisu savrseni u svim parametrima.

TN matrica je najbrza, bez ghostinga (ili sa ghostingom koji se moze izmjeriti, ali u realnom svijetu je neprimjetan), ali zato ima najlosiji vidljivi kut, najlosije boje (fizicki moze prikazati samo 262k boja, koristi se ditheringom da bi prikazala 16,2mil, dok ostale vrste matrica fizicki prikazuju 16,7mil. boja), prosjecan kontrast.

IPS (S-IPS) matrica je donedavno bila namijenjena profesionalnoj uporabi - dosta brza (ali bitno sporija od TN), fantasticnih boja, dobrog vidljivog kuta, ali loseg kontrasta.

VA (MVA, PVA, S-MVA, S-PVA) matrica katastrofalno spora, u zadnjim verzijama (S) znacajno ubrzana sa overdrive-om, no jos uvijek sporija od TN, ali ima fantastican prikaz boja, vidljivi kut takodjer i najbolji kontrast. Sveukupno, trenutno najkompletnija matrica, ali jos uvijek ne i savrsena.

193p+ ti je ova zadnja matrica, dok je 930bf TN matrica.

Po mome, ako ti se ne zuri (ja sam bio ostao bez monitora, pa sam svakako morao nesto kupiti, a izabrao sam, po mom misljenju, najbolje sto si obican covjek moze priustiti), sacekaj da se trziste stabilizira. Pretpostavljam da ce jedna tehnologija prevladati i da ce se razviti po svim parametrima, dok ce se od ostalih odustati. Po mom misljenju, VA je trenutno najpotencijalnija tehnologija.
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Staro 10.11.2005., 22:32   #29
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Originally posted by LorD ClockaN
E to sam htio čut od čovijeka kojeg najviše vjerujem što se tiće kvalitete slike.

Šta misliš na 940B? Barem po testovima

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Sad ste me svi sa vašim odgovorima smuvali :confused:
Em se vidi ghosting, em se ne vidi ghosting.
Ja želim monitor koji nema ghosting (ilijako mali), dobar video i dobre boje i dobar kontrast i.... Shvatili ste
Ako ima takav dobro, ako nema onda ću još čekati na nabavku LCDa
fakat ti onda bolje da pričekaš s nabavkom lcd-a jer idealan ne postoji
no tako je bilo i sa CRT-ovima jednostavno neke nedostatke moraš progutat a iskreno uvijek bi prije preporučio 193p+ nego 930BF
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Staro 10.11.2005., 22:45   #30
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Kupio sam 970P
Dolazi mi sutra
193P+ kao nema ga više i 970P je njegov nasljednik, a nije mi se dalo tražiti po dučanima
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