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AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 & 56 Could Come To Gaming Laptops, Company Hints

Naravno ne u ovakvom obliku, nego prebačene na 7nm

Vege također imaju 2 kom limit za CF? Ima kakvih drivera da se to makne ili nema smisla na vise od 2 kom zbog bugova, stuttera, glitcheva? :chears:

Mining boostao marketshare

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When breaking down the numbers, it looks like AMD won this quarter big time with a market share increase of 8.1%. At the same time, NVIDIA decreased -6% while Intel decreased -2%. The current market share looks like the following:

AMD @ 14.2% (versus 13.0% Last Quarter)
NVIDIA @ 18.4% (versus 19.3% Last Quarter)
Intel @ 67.4% (versus 67.8% Last Quarter)

https://www.jonpeddie.com/press-rele...smaller-offset

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Ako nisam zajebao - ako izbacimo intel tj. gledamo samo zasebne to je - 43.55% AMD i 56.44% nvidia?
Bome su se fino boostali onda, zadnji puta je bilo nešto sitno ispod 30% za AMD ako se ne varam

meanwhile na steamu nema ni 10 %

Da, gaming marketshare je vjerojatno slab, no sigurno nije 8.6%. Steam nije obavezan servis, također se mora i pristati na anketu

Dobar postotak, ali to su samo brojke trenutne prodaje u posljednjem kvartalu. Ako se uzme dulji vremenski period razlika je dosta veća u korist Nvidie. Trebao bi trend ostati ovakav još 3-4 godine da trenutne brojke postanu ukupne.

I to usprkos najvećoj kvalitativnoj razlici u korist Nvidie koju pamtim.

Mislim da ne. Tu se radi o trenutno korištenom hardveru, a svakim kvartalom se brojke samo povećavaju ili smanjuju, dakle marketshare nije samo prodaja u navedenom kvartalu

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3167997)

Mining boostao marketshare

https://www.jonpeddie.com/press-rele...smaller-offset

EDIT

Ako nisam zajebao - ako izbacimo intel tj. gledamo samo zasebne to je - 43.55% AMD i 56.44% nvidia?
Bome su se fino boostali onda, zadnji puta je bilo nešto sitno ispod 30% za AMD ako se ne varam

Ovo je izvještaj za GPUe, ne možeš od tu ekstrapolirati podatak o omjeru udjela u količini isporučenih grafičkih kartica kvartalno. Mogao bi jedino kada bi JPR za svakog IHVa naveo koliki postotak čega su isporučili. Zato postoji AIB report . Brojke u tim izvještajima se odnose samo na prethodni kvartal.

Da, u one brojke su kod AMD-a uključene i igpu ako je i intel u tim podacima. Svejedno fin boost sa 27.2% na 33.7%

Razmišljao sam i koliki je gaming odnosno "non-mining" dio (ne nužno kvartalno, nego općenito svih korisnika AMD gpu) mislim da mora biti minimum 20%, jer u doba kad su imali najgori marketshare ikad od 18% (aib) mining nije bio nikakva stavka jer je ranije totalno pukao, a i po nekoj logici ne može biti da pola vlasnika majna (naravno da ovaj forum nije mjerilo)

Ja vjerujem da više od polovice kartica minea

Po meni i preko 50%. A ako bi uzeli i "gamere koji majnaju, jer, zasto ne otplatit karticu dok ne gejmam" penje se i preko 60-70% :)

Ako mineri zele otplatiti svoju grafu od 6000 kn, bome ce se nacekati onda

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Autor Albert Wesker (Post 3168941)

Ako mineri zele otplatiti svoju grafu od 6000 kn, bome ce se nacekati onda

A cuj, ne moraju otplatiti cijelu. Platili su je, jelte, za gaming :)
Sve sto napravi je cisti plus. Gaming je svi znamo, minus.

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AMD Is Boosted By Apple's Rising Interest In Video Games

Summary:

- Thunderbolt 3-equipped Mac computers which update to macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 can use external Graphics Processing Units.

- Apple endorsed external Polaris and Vega Radeon GPUs. The external GPU implementation on macOS High Sierra is reportedly based on AMD's XConnect technology.

- As the exclusive supplier of discrete GPUs to Apple, AMD gets supplementary benefits from Apple making Macs more attractive to gamers, designers, content creators, and virtual reality enthusiasts.

- Apple's lingering interest in the $170 billion video games industry is a long-term tailwind for AMD.

Apple (AAPL) promised last June 2017 to enable external GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) support for Macs. Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) investors should now be delighted that Apple kept its promise. The March 30 announcement of Apple said that Thunderbolt 3-equipped Macs who upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 can now use external graphics processors [eGPU].

(Source: Apple)

AMD is currently the exclusive supplier of discrete graphics for Macs. Apple making Macs more usable for gamers, content creators, and virtual reality enthusiasts can boost future sales of AMD GPUs. AMD needs this help from Apple to offset the possibility of weaker GPU demand from cryptocurrency mining.

Future sales of Radeon external GPUs can help AMD maintain the growth momentum of its Computing and Graphics division. GPU purchases of Ethereum cryptocurrency miners helped Computing and Graphics post a 54% Y/Y growth last year. Bitmain allegedly has an upcoming Ethereum-centric ASIC miner. This has worried analysts/investors. They think AMD will see lower Radeon sales this year.

Macs' average selling prices are much higher than Windows/Chrome OS computers. However, Apple still sold 19.25 million Macs last year. Apple's potential as a GPU sales booster is greater than that of cryptocurrency miners. Apple is recommending only third-party eGPU boxes using Polaris and Vega Radeon GPUs. For optimal performance, Apple recommended AMD's higher-priced desktop GPUs: Radeon RX 570, RX 580, Vega 56, Vega 64, Radeon Pro WX 9100, and Radeon Pro WX 7100.

Apple itself sold a developer-exclusive eGPU box for $599 using an RX 580 GPU last year. Apple likely optimized macOS Sierra to perform better with external Radeon GPUs. Sonnet (who made the 350W Breakaway Box eGPU chassis) made a "use-at-your-own-risk" warning last year to MacBook/iMac owners who plan to use Nvidia (NVDA) GPUs with its chassis.

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Conclusion

The rising popularity of external graphics processors is an important tailwind for AMD. Apple's strong brand power and legions of Mac loyalists is very important to Radeon GPU sales. AMD's 2017 surge in GPU revenue is partly due to the growing sales of Mac computers. Being the exclusive discrete graphics processor supplier to Apple is more important than cryptocurrency mining.
Going forward, AMD has long-term benefits from Apple's lingering interest in taking a bigger share of the $170 billion video games software/hardware industry. Apple extended the coverage of its mobile-first proprietary Metal graphics API to PCs, smart TVs, and virtual reality devices. The Apple TV trademark was updated earlier this year to cover video games hardware.

The new support for eGPUs for Macs is another strong evidence that the opportunity in video games is heavy on Apple's mind. AMD shareholders should celebrate that Apple chose Radeon over Nvidia's GeForce/Quadro GPUs.

AMD's Radeon GPU wagon is now hitched to Apple's star ambition to become a major player in the $170 billion video games industry.

Radeon RX 500X Series Spotted on AMD’s Website

Nešto bi se moglo dogoditi na ljeto, no ono što je sigurno - neće se još maknuti sa ovih polaris i vega arhitektura (Navi i 7nm najranije Q1 2019, vjerojatno kasnije). Znači opcije su

- još jedan polaris rebrand, ovoga puta na 12nm
- mainstream vege (tipa 24 CU na 12nm)
- refresh aktualnih vegi 56 i 64 na 12nm

Točka 2 zvuči najzanimljivije. Vega sa 24CU ili još bolje pola vege 56 ili 64 (28 CU i 32 CU na 12nm) bi mogle biti zanimljive mainstream gpu. Ako bi imale normalne cijene :D

Ako taj shrink donese što je donio i ryzenu 2, uz postojeću veginu potrošnju to će biti samo još gora kartica.

Pa ne može biti gora. Može za iste clockove biti malo efikasnija, odnosno za istu potrošnju malo veće clockove, ovisno što odluče. Pričalo se i o nekoj vegi druge generacije, ali to je već nejasna i stara priča. Uglavnom ništa dramatično se tu ne može dogoditi

IMO najizglednija je druga opcija - mainstream vege na 12nm, a to bi vjerojatno i najviše ljudi htjelo vidjeti. Još jedan rebrand polarisa mi fakat nema smisla, mada se i 3 puta ukazala pictairnka (hd7850/7870 - 265/270/270X - 370)

Aw shit, izgleda da će biti još jedan polaris refresh - klik

Headroom sa novim half-nodeom će iskoristiti za već clock

Dakle, ista stvar kao da ju sam klokneš, uz očekivani porast u potrošnji.

Da pojasnim, ako za refresh Vege na 12nm naprave istu stvar, povećaju clockove i potrošnju za istu cijenu, nisu puno napravili, pošto performanse nisu ni bile problem koliko potrošnja u odnosu na Nvidiu (na maloprodajnu cijenu ne mogu puno utjecati kroz MSRP, barem ne na razuman način). A povećanjem tog parametra u kojem su najlošiji efektivno stvaraju lošiju karticu... Vege su loša kupnja zbog te potrošnje (temp i buka).

Ryzen 2 nije ista priča jer je tu em podjednak TDP s Intelom, više jezgri, em su poboljšali latencije.

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Autor Odinarius (Post 3182819)

Dakle, ista stvar kao da ju sam klokneš, uz očekivani porast u potrošnji.

Kažem, nebi trebala biti ista stvar jer nije isti node. Daklem, ako je ovaj node recimo 10% efikasniji, pa karikiram može imati 10% veći clock od trenutnih, za istu potrošnju kao trenutne. Kad bi za isti clock imala istu potrošnju kao trenutne - koja je onda poanta istih? Onda su to iste gpu, a ne refresh. Nemoj miješati sa rx 500 vs rx 400, jer su to ipak u osnovi isti node, najobičniji rebrand, a prve su samo nasviranije pa je efikasnost lošija

Ali da, uglavnom ništa uzbudljivo, čak naprotiv. AKo zbog mininga (barem malo) budu imalo povišene cijene, neće biti zanimljive gamerima

Naravno nije 100% sigurno, treba još pričekati, ali je vjerojatno 80-90%

Negdje sam pročitao da je to samo promjena imena za OEM kartice.
Znači ipak nije to?

Moguće je svašta, nije ništa još 100% sigurno. Već je i vega vjerovali ili ne 1 god. vani, ako odluče izbaciti nešto ove godine može biti samo refresh vege i/ili polarisa opet

Sapphire AMD Radeon RX Vega Nano Could Be in The Works

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Autor Disco (Post 3183030)

Negdje sam pročitao da je to samo promjena imena za OEM kartice. Znači ipak nije to?

Nažalost, izgleda da ipak je. Sad i službeno (opet) pretaču iz šupljeg u prazno.:fiju:

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AMD President & CEO Dr. Lisa Su – Q1 2018 Earnings Report

“I’m also happy to report that our next-generation 7nm Radeon Instinct product, optimized for machine learning workloads, is running in our labs and we remain on track to provide samples to customers later this year.”

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Timothy Arcuri – UBS Securities
“I think you said that the 7nm product is in the lab and it’s going to launch later this year. That’s the product at TSMC, correct? And I’m just wondering on that front do you feel comfortable that you can get capacity from that vendor?”

AMD President & CEO Dr. Lisa Su

“Our foundry strategy is to use both TSMC and Globalfoundries on the first 7nm product, we are using TSMC for that product and we have a very strong relationship with them. And so, we do see good momentum on it from what we see and I’m not concerned about capacity.”

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Although the company still does not refer to its new 7nm Vega chip as Vega 20, previously leaked internal AMD slides clearly describe a 7nm based “Vega 20” GPU that’s specifically designed for AI and intended for market entry in 2018.

Vega 20 differs from Vega 10 in several key aspects. In that it’s designed to deliver 8 times the double precision compute performance, double the memory interface width and support for up to 4 HBM2 stacks for a total of 32GB of HBM2 vRAM and 1TB/s of memory bandwidth.

Vega 20 will be AMD’s first chip designed specifically for AI and machine learning workloads and it’s set to compete with NVIDIA’s Volta based accelerators, including the Quadro GV100 and Titan V.

postoji mogucnost da ce to biti dva gpu cipa nakeljana na jedan pcb i povezana "gpu inf.fabricom", barem tak ovi specsi vuku, sve su kao poduplali

Early AMD Vega 20 3DMark11 benchmark result emerges

Wccf senzacionalno zaključuje da je 70% brža per clock

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3189936)

Early AMD Vega 20 3DMark11 benchmark result emerges

Wccf senzacionalno zaključuje da je 70% brža per clock

Oni imaju vijesti na razini Indexa :)
Još su par puta u članku napisali da ne znaju pravi clock :D

AMD Vega 20 & Vega 12 GPUs Leaked – Vega 20 Features Support for Intrinsic AI Instructions

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The new GPU has been leaked in the latest LLVM and clang compiler patches alongside a brand new GPU we’ve never heard of before, called Vega 12.

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Unlike Vega 20, very little is known about Vega 12 (GFX904) other than the fact that it exists. Some speculate that it’s replacing Polaris at the entry level, but that’s pure conjecture at this point.

Moguće da se radi o slabijim vegama za Radeon Instinct proizvode, jer su prijašnji bazirani na polaris ako se ne varam. Vega 20 je nabrijani "deep learing gpu". Skeptičan sam oko vege za mainstream tržište, jer sam skoro potpuno uvjeren da su Navi zamjena za polaris tj. mainstreamuše, a high end opet ćorak. Ako vega kojim slučajem dolazi na mainstream tržište do bi moralo biti odmah, do ljeta, što znači da nebi bila 7nm.