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Brko 15.06.2019. 19:01

AMD Ryzen "ZEN2" (3000 CPU / 4000G APU series) Info thread
 
AMD Ryzen 9 3950X: – 16-cores, 32-threads | 4.7GHz boost, 3.5GHz base | 105W - $749
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X: – 12-cores, 24-threads | 4.6GHz boost, 3.8GHz base | 105W - $499
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X: – 8-cores, 16-threads | 4.5GHz boost, 3.9GHz base | 105W - $399
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X: – 8-cores, 16-threads | 4.4GHz boost, 3.6GHz base | 65W - $329
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X: – 6-cores, 12-threads | 4.4GHz boost, 3.8GHz base | 95W - $249
AMD Ryzen 5 3600: – 6-cores, 12-threads | 4.2GHz boost, 3.6GHz base | 65W - $199



Launch date: 07.07.2019. (except 3950X / September 2019)


INFO o Matičnim pločama:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=639584818

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2112472504

Dodatak: malo o temperaturama i o hlađnjenju Zen2 procesora by kolega @BlueSpirit

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Autor scarzz (Post 3400267)
Zanimljivo, onda je razlog zasto se 3000 serija vise grije od prijasnjih izgleda 7nm proces gdje je povrsina same cpu jezgre puno manja nego na 14 i 12nm i stime teze se hladi zbog manje termicke disipacije.

Da, tako je ...

Jednak broj i veća gustoća tranzistora na 2.8x puta manjoj površini u odnosu na Ryzena prve generacije, pa je teže prenijeti tu toplinu sa malecnog chipleta na hladnjak.

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This large difference in heat-density is the reason why newer Ryzen 3000 processors become much warmer at similar heatloads than their predecessors.

https://noctua.at/en/why-is-my-ryzen...with-my-cooler
Ryzen 3000 pri 120W heatload-u ima heat-density 1.62W/mm2 - 2.8x puta veći u odnosu na Ryzen prve generacije koji ima heat-density 0.57W/mm2 .

Ryzenu 3000 pri heatloadu od 130W ; 120W heatload-a otic ce na chiplet, dok ostatak od 10W na I/O die tj. 13% ukupnog heatload-a.

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Why is my Ryzen 3000 processor getting so hot? Why are Ryzen 3000 CPUs running hotter than previous generation Ryzen CPUs with the same TDP rating? Is there anything wrong with my cooler?

Because of this design change and the switch to a smaller 7nm manufacturing process, the heat distribution of the overall processor is much different from older 14nm and 12nm based single-chip Ryzen processors with a similar power draw.
Depending on the exact CPU model, its specified TDP value and possibly extended power limits (precision boost overdrive), a single CPU-die can create a heatload of up to 130W easily, whereas the I/O-die usually creates a heatload of about 10W.
Due to the small size of the CPU-die, the heat density (W/mm2) of this chip is very high.
For example, a 120W heatload at a chip-size of 74mm2 results in a heat-density of 1.62W/mm2, whereas the same heatload on an older Ryzen processor with a chip-size of 212mm2 gives a heat-density of just 0.57W/mm2.
This large difference in heat-density is the reason why newer Ryzen 3000 processors become much warmer at similar heatloads than their predecessors


https://noctua.at/en/why-is-my-ryzen...with-my-cooler

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I believe the larger factor is that Ryzen 3000 is simply very dense. We’re getting to the point where performance gains on new nodes are actually slowing down because the transistors are getting packed closer and closer together while consuming the same amount of power and thus producing the same amount of heat. Less surface area is going to mean less area to spread heat from, and consequentially that hurts thermal performance.

https://adoredtv.com/ryzen-3000-ther...-best-and-why/


Rzyen 3000 je efikasniji i manje troši od predhodne 2 Ryzen serije procesora, jedino se više grije.

Klikni na SPOILER za prikaz potrošnje i efikasnosti.






https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...5-3600/18.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...-3700x/18.html

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Energy Efficiency

In this section, we measure the total amount of energy consumed for a SuperPi run (single-threaded) and Cinebench (multi-threaded). Since a faster processor will complete a given workload quicker, the total amount of energy used might end up lower than on a low-powered processor, which might draw less power, but takes longer to finish the test.
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...nglethread.png https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...ultithread.png https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...emperature.png

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...nglethread.png https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...ultithread.png https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...emperature.png

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...ultithread.png https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...wer-stress.png https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...wer-gaming.png

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...ultithread.png https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...wer-stress.png https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-...wer-gaming.png




Što se tice temperature, takođe mu ne ide u korist to što se chiplet(i) ne nalazi(e) na sredini procesora nego u donjem kutu.

https://i.imgur.com/kBo5W1n.png

https://i.imgur.com/AYzaiGq.png





Zbog gorenavedene gustoće tranzistora i pozicije chipleta, Ryzen 3000 topliji je nego predhodne serije.

Der8auer je napravio RYZEN 3000 OC Bracket Mount koji pomiće AIO hladnjake (vodena hlađenja) niže prema chipletu, i time omogućuje od 5C do max 10C niže - bolje temperature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlJDv68fEcM

http://der8auer.com/ryzen-3000-oc-bracket/

https://www.caseking.de/pc-komponent...4&sPartner=888

https://static1.caseking.de/media/im...01_285x255.jpg https://static1.caseking.de/media/im...01_285x255.jpg



Šta reći za kraj nego citirati Druga Brkonju:

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Autor Drug Brko (Post 3395981)
Po 20-tisući put molimo: prestanite se sekirati oko temperatura :D

Ako prekrdaši, počet će throttlati. Neće se ništa zapaliti, neće ništa izgorjeti. Nije to Duron niti FX Višera da zapali kuću i lokalnu trafostanicu. Iako smo navikli na smeće od AMD-a, Ryzen to nije ;)

Ako vam CPU u igrama ili nekih zahtjevnijim aplikacijama lupa u 75°C, a u leru do 40°C, to je sasvim u redu.

Jedina mana i boljka u cijeloj priči je što su u AMD-u štedili na stock cooleru za 2600 i 3600. Onaj što je išao sa 1600 je bio OK. Ovi nakon njega su drek. To je po meni jedini ali i debeli minus cijele priče jer na 1500+ kn za CPU, MORAŠ računati na aftermarket cooler ako slažeš kištru od nule, tj ako nemaš nešto bolje od ranije.

OK, nije neka para, ali svejedno.



Njegov kvot potvrđuje i sama NOCTUA

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Furthermore, Ryzen 3000 CPUs are using the rated temperature headroom (up to 95°C) quite aggressively in order to reach higher boost clocks.
As a result, it is absolutely no problem and not alarming if the processor runs into this temperature limit.
The clock speed and supply voltage will be adjusted automatically by the processor itself in order to remain within AMD’s specifications and to prevent overheating.
Due to the higher heat density, higher thermal limits and more aggressive boost clock usage, it is perfectly normal that Ryzen 3000 CPUs are reaching higher temperatures than previous generation Ryzen CPUs with the same TDP rating.
Higher CPU temperatures are normal for Ryzen 3000 processors and not a sign of that there is anything wrong with the CPU cooler.

https://noctua.at/en/why-is-my-ryzen...with-my-cooler

The Exiled 07.07.2019. 16:02

The AMD 3rd Gen Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 3700X and 3900X Raising The Bar:kafa:

Brko 07.07.2019. 16:02

Ryzen 9 3900X - Techpowerup

JuiceBox 07.07.2019. 16:10



Nije bas neki boom, "mlako" to meni nesto ?

viper84 07.07.2019. 16:12


Dottore 07.07.2019. 16:15

Izašli su novi driveri i novi Ryzen Master 2.0.0.1189 (starija 1.5.3.0902 )

sti 07.07.2019. 16:23

3700X

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...-3700x/14.html

Gaming 720p: 11.5% slabiji od 9900K
Gaming 1080p: 6.5% slabiji od 9900K
Gaming 1440p: 2.5% slabiji od 9900K
Gaming 4k: 1% slabiji od 9900K

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Averaged over all tests in our brand-new application test suite, we see the Ryzen 7 3700X match beat Core i7-9700K by around 10%, roughly matching the Core i9-9900K.
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When looking at gaming, our results confirm that AMD has caught up big time here, too, and the performance differences are much smaller. At higher resolutions like 1440p and 4K the gap is pretty much non-existent and parity with Intel has been reached.
Lijepo je to AMD odradio u 2 godine, onako školski.

Gigi1 07.07.2019. 16:33

Kolko sam skuzio brzinski prelistavajuci nitko nije bechao sa PBO bikoz ovi nisu opet na vrijeme pustili update-ove...nije mi jasno da liftas NDA zajedno sa finalnom ver.drivera/biosa i kaj-ocekujes da ce svi retestirati unutar 2 cuke i prepraviti brojke :hitthewal:

Intel nikad nece failati na tak jeftinim stvarima, to si vise ni amd ne bi smio dozvoliti

BusMaster 07.07.2019. 16:33

Ryzen 9 3900X & Ryzen 7 3700X Review
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3aEv3EzMyQ

Evo i rivjua od Linusa..

Nabrzinu pogledao ove prijašnje testove i Stevu isto... manje više ok, ali kako su ovi u AMD-u uspjeli sjebati mem- latencije, epyc fail za 3700X po tom pitanju.. PBO isto neradi ni približno kao što je najavljeno (onih 200Mhz), grr..:wtf2:

nickross 07.07.2019. 16:36

Znači 6 posto razlike u gejmingu za 200njak usd manje. :D

BusMaster 07.07.2019. 16:41

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Autor Gigi1 (Post 3317285)
Kolko sam skuzio brzinski prelistavajuci nitko nije bechao sa PBO bikoz ovi nisu opet na vrijeme pustili update-ove...nije mi jasno da liftas NDA zajedno sa finalnom ver.drivera/biosa i kaj-ocekujes da ce svi retestirati unutar 2 cuke i prepraviti brojke :hitthewal:
Intel nikad nece failati na tak jeftinim stvarima, to si vise ni amd ne bi smio dozvoliti

________________________________________________________

Benčao je Steve u prethodnom videu (27:36 min.), ali ko što kažeš neznam s kojim driverima jer PBO- Auto OC na 3700X ide na "samo" 4,2 Giga...

ShebY 07.07.2019. 16:42

Pa Gamers nexus ima 3600, to gledam sljedeće.
Pogledao HU, mislim da je AMD poslao 3700x i 3900x zato jer bi 3800x se izjednačio ili možda čak i pobjedio 3900x u gaymingu, pa bi dodatno ubio smisao 3900x za sve osim productivity-a.

Smartic 07.07.2019. 16:43

Ryzen 5 3600X vs i7-8700K — 30 Benchmarks — A New King?

U GTA V jednak 8700K? Na X470...

viper84 07.07.2019. 16:46

Pitanje koliko uopće ima smisla jače ploče ko hoće klokati kad koliko vidimo OC je praktički nevidljiv. Možda je još do biosa ali nekako sumnjam.

nickross 07.07.2019. 16:47

HWU je rekao da za 3700x i slabije b450 tomahawk kao best buy

guerra 07.07.2019. 16:49

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Autor nickross (Post 3317289)
Znači 6 posto razlike u gejmingu za 200njak usd manje. :D

Pa bas i ne :)

https://static.techspot.com/articles...nch/Cost_1.png

Sa techspota tj hardware unboxeda aka kralja benchmarka. Ne znam cemu spominjati 9900k za gaming kad jedan 9700k ima isti cost per frame kao 3700x, tj kolko ga vise platis tolko fpsa vise dobijes, a 9600k ima isti fps kao 3700x i time jos bolji cost per frame :D

EDIT: Popravio link

gil 07.07.2019. 16:51

Čemu spominjati 3700x kad imaš 3600x.

Gabre 07.07.2019. 16:51

Kolko je to u postotku

Tajl3r 07.07.2019. 16:51

Ma x370 je dosta za 3600/x btw ima nedi revju da se vidi koje hladenje koriste i voltaze na spomenutom,a koliko vidim nema tu neke velike razlike naspram r5 2600 /200 mhz vise na oc .meh mislim da ce pricekat malo duze taj 3600 izvucem iz svog 4.1 ghz na 1.31v a i od toga nemam koristi.
Di je navi tema ode tamo :)

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nickross 07.07.2019. 16:52

Govorim za 8c/16t counterpart. Nismo ni vidjeli r5 3600/3600x od hwu.

Mladenxy 07.07.2019. 16:54

Super su sa 12/24 ryzenom srezali potrošnju i odveli performanse u poslovnim aplikacijama u nebo. Ogroman napredak prelaskom na 7nm.

Kaj se tiče pogleda iz mog kućnog gameskog budget kuta meni ova slika govori sve kaj me zanimalo.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...-3700x/15.html

https://i.postimg.cc/K4QZWdPT/Screenshot-35.png

Ne želim komentirati dalje zbog osjetljivosti teme.

MadBoY 07.07.2019. 16:55

Hardware Unboxed je dao best-case scenario za Intel procesore, imali su AIO i ukljucen MCE dok su Ryzeni bili testirani sa stock hladnjakom. I opet u takvom testu AMD je uspio biti brzi u "productivity" programima. Jedino sam razocaran s OC-om, jedva 4,3 GHz, ali PBO + Auto OC dignu proc na 4,2 GHz i dosta je bolja opcija za OC. Sve u svemu po meni skroz OK napredak u odnosu na 2000 seriju.

Tajl3r 07.07.2019. 16:55

Ma nisam nesto pratija evo sad vidim nisu ni davali 3600/x za revju,a nista ako neko nade nek stavi tu:)

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gil 07.07.2019. 17:03

Razočaran frekvencijom ali performanse su čisto solidne.

sakomako 07.07.2019. 17:05

Evo konkretnih cijena u DE!


https://geizhals.de/?cat=cpuamdam4&xf=3362_2019


A evo i cijena X570 ploča:


https://geizhals.de/?cat=mbam4&xf=317_X570



Dostava u RH je do max 30 EUR, ali može i manje.

nickross 07.07.2019. 17:05

Šta se mene tiče može se vrtiti na 1ghz ako je na stocku 5-7% slabiji od 9900k :D

Smartic 07.07.2019. 17:11

Here's the deal (Ryzen 3900X, 3700X, 9900K, 9700K benchmarks)

Koji klaun, boli me glava od krivog korištenja terminologije i zaključaka :roller:

Preporuča 9700K...

EDIT: Postam da se vidi gdje ne gledati. I da takvi imaju 1.5-2M subova.

Gabre 07.07.2019. 17:14

Zasto onda postas taj link,
Probajte kvalitetni materijal stavljati.

Ima li gdje da je tko testirao u bilo cemu osim gamingu

sti 07.07.2019. 17:16

Imas na Techpowerup izvrsne recenzije, sve obuhvaćeno.

Poslano sa mog CLT-L29 koristeći Tapatalk

Odinarius 07.07.2019. 17:22

Pogledao HU, price/performance u igrama je... loš. Isti kao Intelov. 50$ gore dolje za platformu ne čini ključnu razliku.

I dalje bi uzeo ryzen 2 ispred intela zbog niže potrošnje i duljeg životnog vijeka platforme (performanse koje će rasti s vremenom zbog više jezgri), ali ovo nije revolucija za gaming kojoj sam se nadao.


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