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McG 15.07.2011. 19:24

Objavljene moguće specifikacije (radni taktovi) Bulldozer procesora
 
The delay of Advanced Micro Devices' highly-anticipated FX-series microprocessors by almost three months has clearly impacted not only AMD's plans and roadmap, but also the specs of the code-named Zambezi central processing units (CPUs). Based on the latest unofficial information, AMD tailored specifications of the upcoming chips so to clearly outperform competing offerings. A new list of AMD FX "Zambezi" specifications on a slide that looks similar to those from AMD roadmaps has been published by Donanim Haber web-site. Presumable specifications imply that AMD FX B2 stepping can indeed achieve higher clock-speeds than previously available B0 and B1 with 95W or 125W thermal design power. Among other things, AMD also tweaked the Turbo Core 2.0 technology and now the "boosters" can lift base frequency by either 200MHz, 600MHz or even 900MHz depending on the model.
http://www.pohrani.com/f/U/1o/4wChYP...ecsjuly201.png
Previously it was believed that AMD's Turbo Core 2.0 technology of Bulldozer chips can increase clock-speed by [up to] 500MHz [depending on the workload] for all eight, six or four cores and by [up to] 1000MHz when only half of the cores are used. If the new specifications are correct, them AMD decided to vary "boosted" frequency depending on the model. Although the variable clock-speed boost clearly makes CPU binning process more complex, it allows AMD to offer better performance where it is needed most and maximize the yield rate for the lower-end parts.
Izvor: X-Bit Labs

NinX 24.07.2011. 00:42

AMD Bulldozer Launch in September Now Official
 
SOURCE
http://www.pohrani.com/f/T/Ck/OgTVAO...-15-am-635.jpg

McG 25.07.2011. 18:29

AMD 2012 Desktop Roadmap
 
While AMD's Scorpius 2011 platform is yet to release fully, it will be succeeded by the Corona platform in 2012. This features the Komodo CPU, featuring up to 10 Piledriver CPU cores and Turbo 3.0. Unfortunately, Komodo will fit into a new CPU socket, with FM2 succeeding AM3+. Hudson D4 FCH, contains an upgraded southbridge with native USB 3.0 support. The northbridge is likely to be integrated into the CPU. The Corona platform will be completed by next-gen AMD GPUs, rumoured to be branded Radeon HD 7000 series. In the Fusion area, Lynx 2011 will be replaced by Virgo in 2012. The Trinity APU will not feature Bulldozer cores, but up to 4 next-gen Piledriver CPU cores and Turbo 3.0, improving Lynx's biggest weakness - CPU performance. The GPU part will continue to feature a DX11 GPU, though rumours state a VLIW-4 GPU will replace the current VLIW-5 GPU used in today's A-Series.
http://www.pohrani.com/f/2L/4D/44EpwH1o/amd.jpg
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Autor McG (Post 1873762)
Kad se 2012. predstave APU modeli bazirani na Bulldozer arhitekturi, onda se možda i objedine na istoj platformi, tj. na istom socketu. Do onda su Llano i Bulldozer - svako po svome.:)

Interestingly, Trinity will fit into an FM2 socket - same as Komodo - but the FCH will continue to be A75 or A55, same as Lynx. The compatibility between FM1 and FM2 remains to be seen. Finally, Brazos will be replaced by Deccan, featuring Wichita APUs with upto 4 Bobcat cores and a FT2 infrastructure. The A45 FCH will be replaced by a FCH codenamed Yuba. AMD's major focus with 2012 seems to be bringing parity to it's mainstream and enthusiast platforms. Currently, A-Series and FX-Series seem worlds apart, with different CPU architectures and different sockets. In 2012, both FX-Series and A-Series (their successors) will feature CPU cores based on the same architecture - Piledriver - and they will fit into the same infrastructure - FM2. Of course, 2012 is still far away, and indeed "2012" is open to interpretation, and many things can change.
Izvor: VR-Zone i techPowerUp
Izgleda da bi ipak nekaj moglo ispasti od toga. Klasičan CPU i novi APU na istom socketu.

gmax 29.07.2011. 17:15

X-Bit Labs : AMD Confirms Pricing of Eight-Core FX Processors: Approximately $300.
Advanced Micro Devices has officially confirmed approximate retail pricing of its high-end FX-series central processing unit with eight cores code-named Zambezi.
As expected, the chips will cost around $300, which is in line with the price of higher-end Intel Corp.'s Core i-series "Sandy Bridge" microprocessors.

Billy007 06.08.2011. 22:26

Izgleda da Sempron, Athlon i Phenom neće samo tako nestat u ponudi AMD-a.
Prema cpu-world.com-u osim A i E2 serije Llano APU-a trebali bi se pojaviti Athlon II X4 631X and 641X, Athlon II X2 221X, i Sempron 198X.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2011/i...pport_list.jpg
Također jesen donosi i Black Edition Llano APU (otključan množitelj) A8-3870 radnog takta 3.1Ghz sa 6550 grafikom (istom kao i kod 3850 modela). TDP je 100W. Također C i E linija donosi novost. E-450 kao najači u klasi donosi kozmetičko povećanje brzine u megahercima za samo 50Mhz te sad radi na 1.65Ghz uz bolji memorijski kontroler koji sada podržava 1333Mhz ddr3 memoriju, opciju turbo na GPU strani koja grafiku diže sa 508 na 600Mhz te je to sada Radeon 6320. TDP ostaje 18W. E-300 je Bobcat sa 2 jezgre na 1.3Ghz i grafiku na 488Mhz, C-60 kao i C-50 ima bazni klok na 1.0Ghz ali turbo radi na 1.3Ghz uz turbo na grafici 276Mhz - 400Mhz pa imamo Radeon 6290. TDP 9W.

McG 01.09.2011. 15:31

AMD FX-Series Lineup Revealed - The final shipping stepping is B2. The top part, FX-8150, is clocked at 3.6 GHz, with a TDP of 125W.

Mad_Duke 01.09.2011. 15:45

Joj, kad bu testovi :) Taman bum uskoro kupoval komp novi pa me baš zanima kaj se sprema na AMD CPU i uskoro GPU fronti!

McG 01.09.2011. 15:51

AMD FX 8 Core and 4 Core Processor Systems Seen Running at E3, dok je FX-8150 + Crosshair V Formula + HD 6970 konfiguracija na nedavno održanom Gamescomu pogonila DiRT3 igru s maksimalnim postavkama u Full HD rezoluciji, a ovo kaj je Gigabyte (skupa s ostalim proizvođačima) objavil su zadnje pripreme prije službenog lansiranja. Bulldozer je još uvijek u planu za ovaj mjesec.

Disco 03.09.2011. 22:53

U, ona limena kutija mi se baš pjaža! Jedva cekam testove...

Mad_Duke 09.09.2011. 13:00

Pozdrav

Trebao bi uskoro slagati frendu jednu jeftiniju fusion konfiguraciju (tokom mjeseca) pa imam jedno pitanjce. Odnosno ako netko ima neki link na neki članak jer nisam baš našao sada u 10 minuta traženja.

Svi znamo da kod dedicated grafe za igranje nije skoro uopće važno koliko je brza DDR3 memorije, odnosno koje latencije ima. Male su razlike. Sada, zbog arhitekture AMD-ovog APU-a koji koristi sistemsku memoriju zanima me da li ima neki članak koji se bavi utjecajem brzine na perfomanse u igrama. Nekom logikom IMO bi trebalo imati utjecaja. Mene zanima odgovor da vidim dal mu se recimo isplati dati parsto kuna više za bržu memoriju, odnosno dal će se isplatiti s obzirom na perfomanse.

McG 09.09.2011. 13:03

Isplati se itekak, ali jasno ne treba se ići u neka pretjerivanja. Većina jeftinijih DDR3-1600MHz memorija se tak i tak lako naclocka na viši radni takt.
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Llano GPU i ovisnost o sistemskoj memoriji
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Compared to the original Redwood, Sumo underwent only two major changes. First, they modified the memory interface to ensure that the GPU can work with dual-channel DDR3 SDRAM via the processor North Bridge and not directly. Work with the memory sub-system is a traditional bottleneck of the integrated graphics cores, so when they put a high-speed GPU inside the new APU, they had to come up with some special optimizations. Unfortunately, Llano doesn’t have anything like Intel’s ring bus and Sumo can’t use processor cache-memory for its own needs. However, it boasts a different feature, which is totally new for a graphics core: it can write directly into the system memory skipping the processor cores. Moreover, all graphics core’s operations with the memory have higher priority in Llano processors than the requests from the computational cores, so they will be processed by the memory controller in the first place.
Llano GPU Performance vs. DDR3 Speed
Uglavnom, sad već ima dosta recenzija koje su se pozabavile s utjecajem brzine memorije, pa nije problem naći usporedbe.

MAGARAC 09.09.2011. 16:10

Vecina jeftinih 1600kitova je jako tesko klokaju na veci takt(100-150mhz) a ni je jedan na 1866. Govorim o jeftinim cl9 kitovima. Tek cl8 i pogotvo cl7 kitovi imaju potencijala ali su i skuplji..Mislim da se u ovom slucaju isplati ulozit 200njak kn vise i uzet 1866 8gb kit. Sniper ili neki drugi od GSkilla..

Billy007 09.09.2011. 17:52

Kako prenosi X-bitlabs ove godine izaći će dva otključana APU-a. Nosit će u sebi oznaku K. Tako A8-3870K (3.0GHz a ne 3.1Ghz kako se prije navodilo) i A6-3670K (2.70GHz).
Zanimljivo je da je AMD odustao od Black Edition naziva koji se do sada koristio kod otključanih čipova. Evo i liste svih modela koji su planirani za ovu godinu:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/...specs_2011.png
Izvor: X-Bit Labs

Full Throttle 09.09.2011. 18:38

znači ništa od 8 jezgri za ovu godinu?!?!

McG 09.09.2011. 18:40

To su APU modeli s integriranom grafičkom jezgrom, a Bulldozer arhitektura je ono kaj donosi osmerojezgrene procesore.
AMD je počel s isporukom serverskih 16-jezgrenih Bulldozer baziranih modela, a valjda budu ovaj mjesec onda i službeno predstavili tolko dugoočekivane procesore za mase.

MadBoY 12.09.2011. 22:12

Pre-order prices of AMD FX-Series CPUs
AMD FX-8120 and FX-8150 CPUs are 8-core models with 8 MB L2 and 8 MB L3 cache. The processors operate at 3.1 and 3.6 GHz, and listed at $222 and $266 respectively. These prices should drop by $10 - $20 once the chips are released. Considering that AMD official prices in 1K quantities are usually $10 - $15 lower than the prices of production chips in this store, we can expect that official prices will be in the range $185 - $200 for FX-8120, and $230 - $245 for FX-8150.

AMD FX-6100 has only 6 CPU cores, or 3 Bulldozer modules. As such, it has only 6 MB of L2 cache. The processor is clocked at 3.3 GHz, and up to 3.9 GHz when Turbo Core feature is active. Like eight-core CPUs, this model has 8 MB L3 cache. The FX-6100 is listed at $188, and its expected official price is $155 - $170, or close to current official price of Phenom II X6 1055T.
Izvor

D-I-A-B-L-O 13.09.2011. 11:49

Cijene bi trebale biti dobre čak i u našim trgovinama, sudeći po ovome. Sad je samo pitanje performansi, odnosno napretka u performansama u odnosu na trenutnu ponudu njihovih procesora.

McG 13.09.2011. 15:05

Počelo je.:)

Billkita 13.09.2011. 19:49

Prejako izgleda. Kad rokne onaj helij, naježim se. Baš me zanima dali dižu samo jednu jezgru ili svih osam? Vjerovatno jednu. Vidio sam i nekakvu najavu za slijedeću godinu fx4170 sa taktom 4,2 GHz. Sad samo da vidimo kakva je ta nova arhitektura po pitanju performansi.

McG 15.09.2011. 02:29

Za ovaj rekord su pogasili šest od osam jezgri. Za zračno i vodeno iznad 4.0GHz do ~5.0GHz je korišteno svih osam jezgri.
AMD Trinity APU Demo
The follow-on to Bulldozer is called Piledriver and it will make its debut with AMD's Trinity APU in 2012. Trinity is a higher end successor to Llano. It will integrate 2 - 4 Piledriver cores and feature some sort of a Radeon GPU on-die. Performance across the board will be higher than Llano. Piledriver should offer better performance per clock vs. Bulldozer, but Trinity won't be targeted at the same high-end market that AMD's FX series based on Bulldozer will address. Presumably we'll see a Piledriver based FX CPU at some point down the road. AMD indicated that Trinity was a few months away, implying an early 2012 launch. To show the health of Trinity silicon, AMD showed it running Deus Ex in a suite a block away from IDF. The Trinity demo was done in a generic notebook chassis. We weren't allowed to benchmark the APU unfortunately.
Izvor: AnandTech

Šole 21.09.2011. 18:23

AMD’s newest FX will be cheaper!

Citiraj:

The FX-8150, a eight-core CPU, at US $245;
The FX-8120, another eight-core CPU, at US $205;
The FX-6120, a six-core CPU, at US $175.

Bravo 21.09.2011. 19:30

Preračunato bi to bilo ispod 2000kn za fx 8120, što je jako konkurentna cijena čak bi rekao i povoljno.

cccp 21.09.2011. 19:55

Za procesore je nekih 7.5 tečaj kn/$, tako da bi mogao biti čak i jeftiniji.

KorisNick 26.09.2011. 16:23

Kad točno izlazi Bulldozer u prodaju, načuo sam nešto 15.10, jel točna ta informacija?

Billy007 26.09.2011. 17:01

Zadnja službena informacija je 12.10. Naravno ako opet ne odgode, a nadam se da neće. Izvor

NinX 26.09.2011. 17:02

To su glasine, nitko nezna točan datum. Pročitaj ovo.

Billy007 26.09.2011. 18:06

Pročito sam i to je od 2.9. a ovo kaj sam ja postao je vijest od 22.9.Glasina ili ne zadnja informacija se gleda kao relevantnija. Još nekoliko mjesta se spominje sredina 10-tog mjeseca.

KorisNick 27.09.2011. 22:22

Mislim da će Bulldozer pustit u prodaju u nadolazećem mjesecu, jer bi im daljnje odlaganje bio teški marketinški i financijski kiks. A i po još nekim informacijama, iz AMD-a vrlo vjerojatno sredinom 10og kreće prodaja bagera, tako da željno iščekujem taj dolazak bagera da se prestane stalno nagađat koje su mu točno performanse, i da ovi spameri po raznim forumima ostanu "bez posla".

Matth€w 27.09.2011. 22:29

Citiraj:

Autor Billy007 (Post 1984904)
Zadnja službena informacija je 12.10. Naravno ako opet ne odgode, a nadam se da neće. Izvor

Neće odgoditi, konačni NDA je 12.10. za Bulldozere, tako da nakon toga možete očekivati apsolutno sve informacije po pitanju njih.

Billy007 27.09.2011. 23:16

Citiraj:

Autor Matth€w (Post 1986117)
Neće odgoditi, konačni NDA je 12.10. za Bulldozere, tako da nakon toga možete očekivati apsolutno sve informacije po pitanju njih.

I ja mislim da nema više odgode. Bilo ih je previše. U biti Bulldožer je proc koji se je odgađao najviše puta. Prvo su ga najavljivali za 2009.g. a evo tek sada izlazi krajem 2011-te u godini u kojoj je odgađan nekoliko puta. AMD stvarno sa njim nije imao sreće. Nadam se da neće biti nekih problema sa njim kao sa prvim četverojezgrenim Phenomima....


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