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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3015507)

Phanteks and Cryorig providing free AM4 cooler upgrade kits

I Noktua, al hoće raćun i za CPU/MBO.

Svi žele račun za CPU/MBO.

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Non-Disclosure Agreements allow two partners to exchange confidential information. Concluded between two companies, the NDA represent an important tool to protect the strategy of a company. First of all, there is an obvious detail that many seem to ignore: an NDA is not a law, it is a mere trade agreement between two parties. No one is bound to comply with it if he has not signed it. Readers may think that the NDA apply to everyone from the moment a builder has decided it unilaterally shows how this system has perverted relations with the press. Formerly intended to protect industrial secrets, the NDA is now a formidable means of control which allows to include the media in the marketing plan. And the results exceed all hope.

For example, AMD did not hesitate in the past to muzzle the press with an NDA "running" several months after the sale of some of its APU. Despite this aberrant situation, the overwhelming majority of the media nonetheless respected it to the letter. More blatantly: Intel's Kaby Lake processors have been on sale in Asia since mid-November in large quantities. We have also obtained ours by this means, at the normal selling price and delivered within 48 hours by DHL. If some media have used this channel to publish timid preview, one may wonder what is holding back the bulk of the troops. The fear of violating a virtual NES and the big eyes of Intel? The absence of the unnecessary Z270 chipset can not be a valid excuse. On our side, we believe that journalists do not have to sign NDAs supposed to apply between "partners" with builders.

On that of the AMD Ryzen in particular

We were able to read on some English-language forums comments written in this way: "How damn those naughty French can have access to AMD Zen ?!". And that's a good question: why do not we and others? And the corollary: can we trust them? First and foremost, the difficulty is not having access to a Zen AMD. The Engineering Sample now circulates widely and we know several other journalists - and some overclockers - who have been able to perform tests on a functional platform. Not to mention the "secret" presentation that took place at AMD in early December in the presence of many happy few of the world press. Today the real challenge is to have access to an AMD Zen * ET * to reach agreement with the source to publish the results. For that, months (or years) of cronyism as well as a visceral tendency to paranoia are not enough: it is essential that your source has the absolute certainty that it will not be compromised in case you come Big eyes.

In most newsrooms, however, there is no shortage of brands. Among them are the call to N + x, not necessarily as jumpy as you on protecting sources. If you do not have a hierarchical superior, it remains the weapon of mass destruction: the stop of the tap to samples. Given the price of graphics cards and processors, this would entail a considerable financial burden that hardly any editorial wants to take the trouble to assume. And even if a media decides to devote a substantial budget to buying all the products tested, the delays of sale would make it very difficult to publish the tests "0-day", indispensable to survive on the Internet. Finally, last very effective lever: the pub. All websites derive the bulk of their revenue, it offers a formidable pressure - see a right of life or death - to the biggest advertisers / builders. CPC Hardware is fortunate to be unaware of any pressure of this kind, which allows our sources to trust us fully. No doubt that the past is also in our favor: some observers just recalled our preview of the Athlon 64 in 2003 on x86-secret.com, 8 months before its release. For the occasion, we offer you the non-blurred photo of the platform of the time. Rendez-vous in 2030 for that of Zen!

...and some overclockers. Vjerujem da ga onda ima onaj The Stilt tip (piše na nekim forumuma poput overclock.net). Da ga ima samo jedan overclocker onda bi to vjerojatno bio on.

Di ima fotka ES Zena na ploči?

Pa u tom linku

https://www.cpchardware.com/wp-conte...2/DSCF0072.jpg

Inače škot je reke da će "soon" objaviti neki video o i5-icama i njihovim zen konkurentima

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3015715)

Pa u tom linku

https://www.cpchardware.com/wp-conte...2/DSCF0072.jpg

KRELOL :roller:
Pa kaj su u 2017 vratili parallel portove na ploče i 4pin +12V priključke?
A i na samom socketu piše socket 754
To je fotka prastare Asus K8N ploče i ES s754 Clawhammer procesora :lol2:

https://www.cpchardware.com/wp-conte...2/DSCF0072.jpg

My bad, skužio i ja da nije to to. Odnosi se na ono zadnje što sam boldao u qoteu. Podsjećaju da su 2003 prikazali athlona 8 mjeseci prije njegovog izlaska. Inače prijevod je google translate sa francuskog, ali dosta je dobar većinu vremena. Ne kužim zašto onda ne prikažu sliku. BTW trebalo bi vidjeti po broju pinova onu prvu slika kod naslova dali bi to mogao biti.

Ne kužim čemu toliko truda za kopanje tih opskurnih informacija. Sačekat lansiranje i amen jer ovo već postaje smješno. Jebote mogli su onda barem neku AM3 ploču stavit a ne sliku komponenti iz doba Franje Josipa :D :roller:

Zato što se hvale informacijom iz tog doba, te kao "vode brigu" o svom izvoru. Ugl. škot koji je dosad najbolje pogađao/predviđao na internetu ne sumnja da je to legit, tj. priča o istom kao da je činjenica.

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3015705)

BTW kad smo kod onog francuskog časopisa komentirali kako nema nikakvih slika ni ništa. Izgleda da ima slika (našao u gore linkanom škotovom videu), te da su fakat imali engeeniring sample (on to uzima kao činjenicu) i neku ghetto mbo

https://www.cpchardware.com/cpc-hard...elucubrations/

Google prijevod o NDA i nabavljanju primjerka

...and some overclockers. Vjerujem da ga onda ima onaj The Stilt tip (piše na nekim forumuma poput overclock.net). Da ga ima samo jedan overclocker onda bi to vjerojatno bio on.

Nema ga pošto se zaradio sa AMDom.

Zaratio? Ili ouvrklouka čoek pa nema vremena za piskaranja po forumima

Ček jel taj tip napravio "pravi" svjecki rekord (na 8 jezgri skoro na istom kloku kao ostali na jednoj) dok još taj cpu (FX8370?) nije službeno izašao i bio na policama? Onda im stvarno šalju ranije (mada ja ne vidim zašto)

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Autor Wolverine (Post 3015717)

Bas htjedoh rec da je ovo neki zajeb :D

Prvo sto upada u oci je boja pcb-a, zatim portovi, pa onda hladnjak (tro pinski + prastare kopce :D

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3015730)

Zato što je lik učinio puno za popularizaciju AMDa pa su mu slali.

Duga priča,ali trenutno nije u dobre sa AMDom

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Autor Amd_Shill (Post 3015749)

Zato što je lik učinio puno za popularizaciju AMDa pa su mu slali.

Cmon... Popularizaciju? Smatram se relativno dobro upućenim pa sam jedva čuo za tipa (i to moguće od tvojih postova). Ta scena je teški undergoround, nema tu popularizacije, osim ako ne računaš šaku ljudi.

Inače ako se vodimo prema carnard pc, IPC inžinjerskog primjerka je cca negdje između ivy bridge i haswella (teško je 100% precizno reći iz zbirnih multithreading i gayming rezultata), to su naravno worst case scenariji uz potencijalno "buggy co-op" i "buggy SMT" kao što čovjek reče. No i clockom će prebaciti dosta broadwell-e. Ja bih nadodao još da će sve većim povećanjem clocka vjerojatno potrošnjom struje prebacivati broadwell-e (ako je sada na 3.4ghz par watta ispod).

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Autor Wolverine (Post 3015717)

mislim da ni kanta jumpera ne pomaže cijeloj priči :D

Ahahahahaha pao sa stolice, mučko đubre :D

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3015827)

Exclusive Interview With AMD’s Robert Hallock on Ryzen | Architecture, Performance & Chip Detail

aj napokon da će biti moguće složiti i poštenu ITX konfu iz AMD tabora...

Meni je tu iznađenje 28 pci-e lanes (ako se ne varam priča je bila 24 total sa čipsetovim lejnsima).

Frajer je postavio odlična pitanja, no ovaj naravno nije mogao odgovoriti na sve. Izdvajam meni najzanimljivje;

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Question 1: Can you confirm that there will indeed be multiple Ryzen CPU’s available on launch (so not just the 8c/16t models), and it won’t be a paper launch?
RH: There will be more than one Ryzen SKU available at launch. This is all I can say for now.

Znači još jedna službena potvrda. Kao i da će svi biti otljučani i klokabilni na x370, x300, b350...

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RH: 1. I’m a huge fan of our ITX-specific X300 chipset for Ryzen. Since the Ryzen processor is technically an SoC, it already has enough built-in PCIe Gen3 lanes and I/O controllers to support USB 3.1 10Gbps, x4 NVMe and SATA drives. That’s basically everything you’d want in a tiny system. That means Ryzen doesn’t ALSO need an I/O chipset on ITX boards—this saves area that would normally be needed to route the extra connections the chipset provides.
The X300 chipset is a tiny pinky-finger-nail-sized chip that facilitates secure boot, TPM, and other security-related features—that’s X300. X300 is connected back to the CPU with a dedicated link, freeing up four more PCIe lanes (now a total of 28) on X300-based motherboards for things like WiFi cards, GigE, and other companion chips common on the ITX form factor. I think X300 is a great answer for our fans that have asked us to facilitate more ITX solutions in the market

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Question 4b: Can you also hint how Ryzen ‘learns’ the application? Does it remember what it’s learned if you leave the application on in the background, then go back to in a few hours of web surfing?

RH: The “buffer” for pattern learning is not megabytes big or anything like that, so there is not room to remember hours or days of history. The buffer is typically flushed when you move from one app to the next, or when the system is restarted. This would manifest as a game or benchmark being slightly faster on the second run through, as now its patterns and behaviors are learned. It’s important for users to know that neither Smart Prefetch nor Neural Net Prediction have any knowledge of what you are doing, only how it is being done by the application. A useful analogy might be: we’ve designed a better pencil by watching how you write, but we’ve never looked at the paper to see what you’ve written.

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Question 11: There’s a lot of discussion regarding the performance of the 16 thread Ryzen defeating the I7-6900K processor, in the few official benchmarks you’ve shown handbrake, Blender and a couple of games, this is certainly the case. Can you give any indication if we’ll see a similar scenario across a wide group of benches and scenarios – both single / multi-threaded?

RH: Not yet! Though many users think we’re being deliberately parsimonious with this type of data, the truth is that there’s simply more work to be done before this is ready for the limelight. When we’re ready, and we will be this quarter, we will share. I just ask for a little more patience!

A320(ako se ne varam za ime) ce biti 4.chipset koji jedini nece moci klokati.
No, samo X370(x300?) Podrzava CF/SLI

Da. Nema OC-a samo na low end chipsetu (pametno, jer te ploče ionako nisu za to). CF/SLI samo na x370

Ne znam što je ovaj tip, ali ispituju ga kao da mu je nešto dostupno...

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The high end X370 motherboards will be pricier than you are used to with the current "high end" AM3 motherboards.
They won't be on the same page with the Intel Z270 & X99s, but they won't be dirt cheap as they are nowadays for the dozer+ architecture.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1579520/z...#post_25806731

Doduše ni ne očekujem najbolje x370 ploče za cca 1600kn kao sada za AM3+

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3016216)

Ne znam što je ovaj tip, ali ispituju ga kao da mu je nešto dostupno...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1579520/z...#post_25806731

Doduše ni ne očekujem najbolje x370 ploče za cca 1600kn kao sada za AM3+

prvi put vidim više slika matiČnih ploča na jednom mjestu:
http://www.anandtech.com/Gallery/Album/5394#7

Pa sta se jos uvijek rade fatality brendirane stvari?
Mislio sam da je s tim odavno gotovo...

Ta krava još nije crkla pa je i dalje muzu koliko mogu :)

Za 50 godina, rahiticni fatal1ty nosi vr kacigu i igra doom 10...pritom uglavnom kampira jer mu je omiljena poza kad cucne da dobije dobar bowel movement...

Od jučer internetom kolaju nove glasine čiji je izvor neki site iz Tajlanda

- da nema six corea tj. da je lineup 8c16t, 8c, 4c8t
- te ponovno da je flagship "između 580$ i 720$"

Ma to izgleda kao recikliranje jedne te iste vijesti kako bi se skupljali klikovi. Sve bi trebalo biti poznato za mjesec dana.