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McG 17.05.2011. 22:03

ECS A75F-A Llano APU FM1 ploča
 
Elitegroup Computer Systems (ECS) introduces the latest AMD based motherboard series – ECS Black Deluxe A75F-A, and ECS mainstream series A75F-M and A75F-M2 motherboards. ECS A75 series motherboards powered by AMD Hudson D3 chipset support the latest AMD A series APU. ECS Black Deluxe A75F-A, A75F-M and A75F-M2 all support the latest AMD A series APU with AMD Hudson D3 chipset and AMD FM-1 socket. With native USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0Gb/s powered by AMD Hudson D3 chipset, ECS A75 series represents the official arrival of new age of high transportation speed, and that USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0Gb/s have also officially become the basic equipment for every computer.
http://www.pohrani.com/t/41/Vp/gruQRwQ/ecs.jpg
The most obvious part is the CPU socket with the 905-pin FM1 socket and this is also what seems to be the main reason for AMD's change to its CPU cooler retention mechanism. We saw the split design being demonstrated by ASRock at CeBIT earlier this year and it now makes a lot more sense, as the FM1 socket and the AM3+ will be sharing the same CPU coolers. The PWM design is really basic, to the extent that we're almost surprised had we not seen AMD's in-house testing board already. We're looking at what appears to be a 4+1 phase design. The board has a simple 4-pin +12V connector rather than the now almost standard 8-pin one which together with the PWM design is suggesting that we're looking at a fairly power frugal set of CPUs.
http://www.pohrani.com/t/3Z/Ls/1Jwz1Lca/hudson.jpg
Izvor: VR-Zone i techPowerUp

Visage 17.05.2011. 22:33

Koje su im folirancije s trpanjem toliko PCI-a? :stoopid: Prve dvije godine (s pocetka PCI-e price) izbacise gomilu ploca s 1x-e chupercima, za koje osim ponekog TV Tunera, prakticno nista drugo nije postojalo. Onda konacno trziste pocne loviti vlak, i vise manje, sve se 'ponovi' korisno na expressu. Onda neko vrijeme, redovita praksa je bila jedan ili max dva PCI-a. Pobacah vise manje sve s PCI-a i sad mi pocnu redati PCI, upravo kad hocu vidjeti vise PCI-e tracnica? Gledam dosta najnovijih ploca i po 3x PCI-a uopce nije slucajnost. Pa kaj to delate? :stoopid:

Overclock 18.05.2011. 13:13

Zato jer su strahovito zajebali s ukidanjem PCI slotova, ljudi imaju vrhunskih audio-media-controller PCI kartica koje su platili 500-1000$ i zasto bi svoje prodavali u bezcjenje i kupovali uber skupe nove i losije samo radi konektora? i velika vecina je povukla pametan potez i odjebala ploce ako su imali izbora...

Elpresidente1 18.05.2011. 14:02

Ja mislim da je aljkavost i štednja, vjerojatno će bit matx verzija, pa su na ovo samo nakeljili ta tri slota, točno kolko valjda čipset podržava.

McG 18.05.2011. 20:52

Asus 990FX Sabertooth AM3+ ploča
 
With the socket AM3+ platform, Asus wants to rally around its top motherboard brands, including Republic of Gamers (ROG), with the Asus Crosshair V Formula, and the The Ultimate Force (TUF) Sabertooth 990FX, for AMD's next top of the line 990FX chipset that is designed to run up to four discrete graphics cards. The 990FX Sabertooth keeps up with the color scheme of the other TUF-series members. It boasts of highly durable components. The AM3+ socket is powered by a 10-phase Digi+ VRM. It is wired to four DDR3 DIMM slots supporting dual-channel DDR3-1866 MHz memory, and connects to the 990FX chipset over a HyperTransport 3.1 link.
http://www.pohrani.com/t/3j/28/2T6fTDH3/amd-01.jpg http://www.pohrani.com/t/1D/lz/1ISa576/amd-02.jpg http://www.pohrani.com/t/3j/Cx/4qYQG8SY/amd-03.jpg http://www.pohrani.com/t/1I/3y/1D3RBdOw/amd-04.jpg http://www.pohrani.com/t/C/q8/4j2zW4VZ/amd-05.jpg http://www.pohrani.com/t/6/rM/1D0rNisr/amd-06.jpg
Expansion slots include four PCI-Express 2.0 x16 (configurable as x16/x4/x8/x8, x16/x4/x16/NC, depending on how they're populated); The electrical x4 slot is wired to the SB950 southbridge, and is placed there to hold PCI-Express SSDs. One each of PCI-E x1 and PCI make for the rest of the expansion. Storage connectivity includes six internal SATA 6 Gb/s ports supporting RAID, two internal SATA 3 Gb/s from a third-party controller, one power-eSATA/USB combo, and one normal eSATA on the rear panel. Other connectivity features include 8+2 channel HD audio driven by Realtek ALC892 with optical SPDIF output, one gigabit Ethernet connection, four USB 3.0 ports (two rear, two by header), a number of USB 2.0 ports, and Firewire. The 990FX supports a number of Asus-exclusive features including UEFI BIOS with EZMode, MemOK, Ceram!x heatsinks, etc.
Izvor: techPowerUp

bluefluid 20.05.2011. 10:26

MSI 990FXA-GD80 Socket AM3+ Motherboard Detailed
 
Earlier referred to as "Big Bang Conqueror", MSI's next top-end AMD platform motherboard has emerged under its final name, 990FXA-GD80. The socket AM3+ motherboard that supports AMD's upcoming FX series processors, is based on the AMD 990FX + SB950 chipset. The CPU is powered by a 10-phase VRM that makes use of tantalum-core capacitors, and SFC chokes (that don't whine), driver-MOSFETs (DrMOS). Expansion slots include four PCI-Express 2.0 x16, supporting NVIDIA SLI and AMD CrossFireX; two PCI-E x1, and a PCI.

Storage is mostly care of the southbridge, all its six SATA 6 Gb/s ports are assigned as internal ports; a third-party SATA 3 Gb/s controller handles rear-panel eSATA. There are two USB 3.0 controllers, driving two ports on the rear panel, and two via an angled internal header. Other connectivity includes 8+2 channel HD audio with THX TruStudio Pro support, gigabit Ethernet, and FireWire. A number of MSI-exclusives are bundled, including MSI-designed graphical UEFI setup program (click BIOS), and OC Genie II that is overclocking with side-wheels. Expect the MSI 990FXA-GD80 to be out in mid-June, at a US $175~$250 price range.
http://tpucdn.com/img/11-05-20/106a_thm.jpg http://tpucdn.com/img/11-05-20/106b_thm.jpg http://tpucdn.com/img/11-05-20/106c_thm.jpg http://tpucdn.com/img/11-05-20/106d_thm.jpg
Izvor: techpowerup; mygarage.ro

McG 20.05.2011. 15:05

AMD A-Series, FX-Series preliminary pricing revealed - kak je i bilo predviđano; osmerojezgreni Bulldozer ~300$, dok najjači četverojezgreni Llano ide za za manje od 200$.:)
http://www.pohrani.com/f/2g/iP/4G57OTUI/amd.jpg

Visage 20.05.2011. 19:42

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Autor Overclock (Post 1909671)
Zato jer su strahovito zajebali s ukidanjem PCI slotova, ljudi imaju vrhunskih audio-media-controller PCI kartica koje su platili 500-1000$ i zasto bi svoje prodavali u bezcjenje

Sve je to imalo tezinu - ali prije. Ali ako imas pro kartu ili kartu koja je komunikacija s vecim sustavom, onda ti ne gine ili upgrade ili krepaj! Prodaja na vrijeme i kupovina novog sucelja. Nemilosrdno ali nema ti druge, jer isprike ne smije biti za nestabilnost od podrske, a podrska za "legacy" danas brzo postaje dovidjorno. Jer mogu se po$vetiti jedino najnovijem i zadnjem. Tako nazalost kaze praksa, bez obzira sto ne legne dobro uz skupe karte. Jedan PCI kao legacy (dva plafon) i to je to.

Zeljeznicki promet na Asusici vec bolje izgleda :)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/amd-01k7gp.jpg

pinkskin 20.05.2011. 22:25

jel ovi gore procevi imaju baš toliko modula, npr. FX-8110 jel ima 4 modula ili 8 modula?

cccp 20.05.2011. 22:38

4 modula, 8 jezgri. Ako su cijene istinite onda bi po tome 4110 bio konkurencija i5 2400, a 8110 i7 2600.

pinkskin 20.05.2011. 22:51

A kad dolaze 8 modulaši. Ček jel nebi trebo jedan modul imat 1 jezgru sa hardverskim HT-om pa zato se govori da ima 8 jezgri, ali je to ubiti jedna jezgra.

McG 21.05.2011. 00:19

Nema HT-a, jedan modul=dvije jezgre.
The Bulldozer chip code-named Zambezi will feature eight x86 processing engines (cores) organized in pairs (called a "module", which is invisible to the OS).
Osmerojezgreni Bulldozer modeli su najbolje kaj AMD ima spremno za desktop tržište, dok serverska strana priče raspolaže sa 12 i 16-erojezgrenim Interlagos Opteronima baziranim na Bulldozer arhitekturi.

pinkskin 21.05.2011. 00:54

Ček zar nisu rekli da če imati neki hardverski HT

McG 21.05.2011. 01:02

Bilo je govora da budu možda nudili nekaj slično Intelovom HT-u, ali to je bilo prije skoro dvije godine i na kraju je stiglo službeno priopćenje da ništa od toga.:)

ASRock A75-Extreme6 AMD FM1 Llano APU
The third-largest motherboard company released the first picture of its upcoming socket FM1 motherboard that supports AMD's upcoming performance A-series accelerated processing units. The ASRock A75 Extreme6 as it's called, is based on AMD's Hudson-D3 A75 single-chip chipset. With the northbridge component completely relocated to the APU die, what's left of the chipset is a little more than a southbridge. The 905-pin socket is significantly different from the 940-odd pin sockets from AMD in recent times, though its cooler retention brackets haven't essentially changed. So most AM3-supportive coolers should fit on FM1.
http://www.pohrani.com/f/2G/8g/1CMQv2gO/amd.jpg
The FM1 socket is powered by a 10-phase VRM, it is wired to four DDR3 DIMM slots for dual-channel DDR3-1866 MHz memory support; and to two of the three PCI-Express 2.0 x16 slots. The first two PCI-E x16 slots switch to electrical x8 when both are populated. The third slot is electrical x4, and wired to the chipset. Expect a big chop in CPU to discrete GPU latencies. Other slots include one PCI-E x1, and three PCI. Storage connectivity includes eight internal SATA 6 Gb/s ports, two eSATA, six USB 3.0 ports (four at rear-panel, two by header). Display connectivity (remember, on-chip power GPU is the key selling point of this platform), includes DVI, HDMI 1.4a, and D-Sub. Other connectivity features include 8+2 channel HD audio, gigabit Ethernet, and FireWire.
Expect this board to be out in mid-June.
Izvor: techPowerUp
Ovaj FM1 socket podsjeća na stare 754 ploče.:)

KorisNick 21.05.2011. 03:08

Oduševljen sam s cijenama, ako su istinite bit će prava milina. Ja sam se ionako odavno odredio, za jednog šesterojezgrenog, pogotovo sad kad vidim da mu je cijena ispod dvije milje pa to je čudo. Očekivo sam da će mu cijena bit oko 2500kn, ipak je 6 jezgri u pitanju. Samo je upitnik u cijeloj priči, koliko je zapravo jak procesor u odnosu na konkurenciju iz intela? Pretpostavljam da neće razočarat u vezi performansi, a to je ono najvažnije.

Albert Wesker 21.05.2011. 08:05

Jasno ti je da ce se ti dolari kod nas pretvoriti u eure???taj Zambezi quad bi trebao kostati 1300 kn kod nas a da ne pricam o cijeni six i eight core procesora.

cccp 21.05.2011. 08:43

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Autor McG (Post 1911201)
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ASRock A75-Extreme6 AMD FM1 Llano APU ploča
...

Hoće li u FM1 socket ići sljedeća generacija APU-a sa Bulldozer jezgrama? Inače ne vidim potrebu za ovako natrpanom pločom za procesor koji će biti na razini današnjih Athlona II.

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Autor KorisNick (Post 1911224)
Oduševljen sam s cijenama, ako su istinite bit će prava milina. Ja sam se ionako odavno odredio, za jednog šesterojezgrenog, pogotovo sad kad vidim da mu je cijena ispod dvije milje pa to je čudo. Očekivo sam da će mu cijena bit oko 2500kn, ipak je 6 jezgri u pitanju. Samo je upitnik u cijeloj priči, koliko je zapravo jak procesor u odnosu na konkurenciju iz intela? Pretpostavljam da neće razočarat u vezi performansi, a to je ono najvažnije.

Kako si se već odradio kada ne znaš ni performanse? :)

stef 21.05.2011. 12:10

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Autor cccp (Post 1911186)
8 modulaši će u ovoj seriji biti samo za servere, negdje u Q3 ili Q4 ove godine.

U biti se radi o 2 čipa u jednom pakiranju, iliti MCM, povezanih preko HT linka.

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Autor cccp (Post 1911239)
Hoće li u FM1 socket ići sljedeća generacija APU-a sa Bulldozer jezgrama? Inače ne vidim potrebu za ovako natrpanom pločom za procesor koji će biti na razini današnjih Athlona II.

Next gen. FM1 procesor će imati 2 BD modula, navodno već za godinu dana. I da, ovo je prva FM1 ploča koja ima više od 4-fazne regulacije.

cccp 21.05.2011. 12:15

Znači ići će u FM1 socket?

stef 21.05.2011. 13:37

Ići će APU baziran na BD jezgrama s 2 modula.

cccp 21.05.2011. 13:48

Imaš li neki link za to? Mislim na to da će ići u isti socket? Za Trinity znam što će biti, samo me socket zanima jer ako je tako, onda ovih 10 faza i 3 PCIe na Asrokici imaju nekog smisla.

McG 21.05.2011. 14:55

Da je Intel u pitanju, onda ne bi bilo sumnje o dolasku novog socketa samo godinu dana nakon kaj je predstavljena nova arhitektura, ali AMD ipak ima tendenciju malo duže zadržati socket. Čak i ovaj AM3+ nije ništ radikalno novog, a ipak podržava kompletno novu liniju procesora i još k tome nudi kompatibilnost s aktualnim AM3 modelima. FM1 bi trebal ostati i za nadolazeće Bulldozer APU modele.

KorisNick 21.05.2011. 21:39

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Autor Albert Wesker (Post 1911233)
jasno ti je da ce se ti dolari kod nas pretvoriti u eure???taj Zambezi quad bi trebao kostati 1300 kn kod nas a da ne pricam o cijeni six i eight core procesora....

Naravno da mi je jasno, nekih 1900kn će bit cijena kod nas. Al kažem, mislio sam da će bit oko 2500 čak sam se bojao da će bit i više, po meni odlična cijena, u biti očekivano za AMD.
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Autor cccp (Post 1911239)
Kako si se već odradio kada ne znaš ni performanse? :)

-A gle, poprilično sam siguran da će u performansama bit odličan, vjerojatno za nijansu slabiji od intela, al ništa naročito taman za onoliko za koliko je jeftiniji. Za mene kao kućnog korisnika, koji koristim samo internet i gamerski dio ni ne treba nešto pretjerano jako, niti mi je pretjerano bitno da taj procesor jede malu djecu, već da služi svrsi a kažem poprilično sam siguran da će služit svrsi. I nemam namjeru čekat recenzije, i dojave korisnika kakav je, jer jedan od prvih kupaca kad dođe u hrvatsku ću bit upravo ja. PONOSNI JA. :goood:

McG 21.05.2011. 21:55

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Autor KorisNick (Post 1911570)
Naravno da mi je jasno, nekih 1900kn će bit cijena kod nas. Al kažem, mislio sam da će bit oko 2500 čak sam se bojao da će bit i više, po meni odlična cijena, u biti očekivano za AMD.

U slučaju da bude kod nas najjači Bulldozer koštal slično ko i aktualni Core i7-2600K i ako bude najjači quad-core Llano u cjenovnom rangu (mada performansama cilja na niži dio Intelove lepeze proizvoda) Core i5-2500K modela - IMHO cijene ne budu pretjerane. Phenom II X6 1090T i 1100T modeli idu za 1.200 do 1.400 kn, spomenuti Core i5-2500K košta ~1.500 kn, dok Core i7-2600K ide za ~2.200 kn, a ako Llano i Bulldozer popune i preuzmu taj cjenovni rang uz pristojan pad cijena postojećih Phenom II i Athlon II modela (prije nego kompletno nestanu s tržišta) - svi sretni i zadovoljni.:)

luks 88 22.05.2011. 16:04

Kad na kraju dolazi Buldožer, trebal je doć u 4. mjesecu?

cccp 22.05.2011. 16:14

Od kuda to da je trebao u 4. mjesecu doći, uvijek Q2 bio spominjan.

hooligan.no1 22.05.2011. 16:22

Pa, ako je ovo curenje iz Asusa koliko toliko realno onda su cijene i vše nego povoljne.
AMD FX-8130P – 8 Core, 3.8Ghz, Max T.C 4.2Ghz, 125W (320$)
AMD FX-8110 – 8 Core, 3.6Ghz, Max T.C 4.0Ghz, 95W (290$)
AMD FX-6110 – 6 Core, Unknown, Max T.C Unknown, 95W (240$)
AMD FX-4110 – 4 Core, Unknown, Max T.C Unknown, 95W (190$)
Read more

McG 22.05.2011. 17:09

Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD7 AM3+ ploča
 
Gigabyte's GA-990FXA-UD7 is one of the more impressive boards we've seen so far, but it's not very likely to be the last new AMD motherboard to show up before Computex which is now barely a week away. It's very clear that this is a UD7 board as the chipset and PWM heatsinks are all carrying the “gold” trim that we first saw on Gigabyte's P67A-UD7. The 990FX chipset itself is located in-between the PWM and the top PCI Express slot, but even so there are no comprises being made in terms of slot count, unlike Asus' TUF Sabertooth 990FX. The board sports an 8+2 PWM design us driver MOSFETs.
http://www.pohrani.com/f/17/9p/24r9t4RZ/amd.jpg
The slot layout is very unusual to say the least as the board has six 16 PCI Express slots and a single PCI slot. The x16 slots are configured in an unusual way as well, as the first slot is a x16 that should be shared with the third slot which is a x8, but the second slot is x4. The fourth slot is also a x4 slot with the fifth being a x16, then the PCI slot and finally another x8 slot. We're not exactly sure how the slots are wired and we'd need a manual to figure it out properly. In related news, we managed to dig up some pricing thanks to a Swedish online retailer that's already listing the 990FXA-UD7, as well as the 990FXA-UD5 and 990FXA-UD3, although sadly not specs so far. The 990FXA-UD7 is priced at 1990 SEK (S$390) which co-incidentally is what MSI's 990FXA-GD80 is listed for in the same shop. Do keep in mind that this includes 25 percent VAT, as the sales tax in Sweden is quite high. The 990FXA-UD5 is listed at 1590 SEK (S$312) and finally the 990FXA-UD3 comes in at 1190 SEK (S$234).
Izvor: VR-Zone

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Autor luks 88 (Post 1911861)
Kad na kraju dolazi Buldožer, trebal je doć u 4. mjesecu?

Masovna proizvodnja i slanje partnerima je počelo u travnju, a službeno predstavljanje i prodaja slijede u ovim ljetnim mjesecima, tj. sredina/kraj šestog mjeseca.

Albert Wesker 22.05.2011. 17:30

sumnjam da ce AMD FX-8130P ici na 3.8 ghz samo sa TDP od 125....

McG 22.05.2011. 17:41

Intelov 32nm Xeon iz nove E7 serije sa svojih deset jezgri ima TDP od 95W do 130W, dok 32nm šesterojezgreni Core i7-990X ima TDP od 130W pri 3.47GHz i još ima lufta za Turbo mod. Tak da nije nemoguće da AMD za svoje 32nm osmerojezgrene FX modele uspije izvući 3.8GHz + Turbo sa 125W TDP. Sve ovisi kakve tehnologije su implementirali u sam procesor, pa da se potrošnja zadrži u granicama normale i regulira ovisno o opterećenju. Intel to ima jako dobro riješeno i veći dio procesora se "gasi" kad se ne zahtijeva sva snaga koju ima na raspolaganju. Istinabog i 3.0GHz ili malo iznad tog takta bi bilo i više nego dosta za octo-core Bulldozere, ali ako su na neku foru izvukli i više - teško da bude se neko bunil.:)


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