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rock00 09.04.2016. 09:16
radje nek oni rjese multigupu ...developeri i svi..a ne zajebavanja tu iscekivanja novih grafa.

za cijenu vege i tih hbm2 ce se dobit 2 490 ili cak 490x koje ce ih pojest bez problema u dobro optimaliziranoj igri. Pa cak i igpu i 490x bi bilo ok na dx12

Mladenxy 09.04.2016. 10:02
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Autor kopija (Post 2912562)
@sith_lord
drži se ti svoje zvijerke do dolaska Vege!
Osim ako ne planiraš igrat Quantum Break :-)
U tom slučaju pravac dućan s 5K kunića u đepu!
Sasvim mu je odlična i jedna R9 290 za puno manje novaca s obzirom da igra dozvoljava do max 50 fpsa, a 290/390 grafe to postižu bez problema.

Lungz 09.04.2016. 12:05
Ja se stvarno nadam da ce R9 490 kostat min 3.500 kn s 20% boljim perf u odnosu na R9 390. Onda mi nece bit krivo sto sam dao 2.700 za svoju 390 :D

Ono sto me muci je da ce R9 480 imati jednake perf kao R9 390, kostat malo manje, npr max 2.500 i bit daleko hladnija, manje trosit itd. Koliko je ovakva pretpostavka realna?

Manuel Calavera 09.04.2016. 12:20
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Autor Lungz (Post 2912610)
Ono sto me muci je da ce R9 480 imati jednake perf kao R9 390
Mislim da je to malo nerealno, ako se radi o polaris 11 kao R9 480

MikaHR 09.04.2016. 12:28
A gle, uvjek će doći nešto novo brže i jeftinije (osim kod Intlea hahahah) ;P A nije da nisam govorio da ako ti nije nužno potrebna grafa treba pričekati ako kupuješ na dulje staze :chears: 390 je još
uvijek mrcina

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Autor rock00 (Post 2912570)
radje nek oni rjese multigupu ...developeri i svi..a ne zajebavanja tu iscekivanja novih grafa.

za cijenu vege i tih hbm2 ce se dobit 2 490 ili cak 490x koje ce ih pojest bez problema u dobro optimaliziranoj igri. Pa cak i igpu i 490x bi bilo ok na dx12
Ne, ono što se pokazalo je da moraš imati 2 grafe podjednake brzine ili ti slabija služi kao sidro, a nema boljeg sidra od iGPU-a :goood:

Lungz 09.04.2016. 13:06
@ Manuel - A i ja nekako mislim da je nerealno, jer do sad se pokazalo da sve sto ima toliki hype ne bude ni upola toliko dobro. No dobro, budemo saznali uskoro.

@ Mika - Ma znam, svjestan sam toga, al mi je vec bilo mucno od premisljanja i odlucivanja, usporedjivanja itd., jer sam tip osobe koji detaljno se informira prije kupnje i onda sam samo htio vise zavrsit s tim :D A i nije nuzno dugorocno, do sada sam svaku drugu generaciju kupovao (osim sada s 270 na 390), tako da ce ova bit vj do serije 500 :)

kopija 09.04.2016. 15:22
Evo mogućeg uzroka nestašice high-end ATI grafa.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...&postcount=499
Ethereum mining se vrši isključivo na GPU (preporuka je barem 4GB VRAM-a) i pravi je hit.
Mislim da bi to moglo gadno utjecati na cijene u budućnosti, to smo već vidjeli sa bitcoinom u 2013, prije pojave ASIC minera.

Evo bencheva:
Mining performance:
– ethminer CPU mining on Intel Core i7 5820K: 0.95 MHS
– ethminer OpenCL mining on AMD Radeon R9 280X: 24.4 MHS
– ethminer OpenCL mining on Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 Ti: 18.5 MHS
– ethminer CUDA mining on Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 Ti: 18.7 MHS

The network hash rate is 760 GH/s. It is equivalent to 35,000 AMD 280x graphics cards.
Tako da se ne čudite kad cijena u dućanu bude boli glava viša od MSRP.:D

EDIT: nakon malo proučavanja problematike, ispada da budućnost i nije tako mračna.
Barem što se tiče Ethereuma, tko je jamio....

Citiraj:
Hope everyone here who is thinking of putting a rig together knows what they're in for. Difficulty has continued to rise parabolically since January, and what that means is...

— Two months ago, a modest 75MH rig would net nearly 3 ETH/day (diff@10T).
— Today, 75MH barely nets a tick over 1 ETH/day (diff@25T).
— Two months from now, given the same rise in diff, 75MH will barely net you a 1/3-1/2 eth/day.
— Price has gone nowhere in the past month (still ~$11).

Sam Fischer 09.04.2016. 15:29
Woot, i dalje se majna? Fakat nisam upućen :D

markecSMB 11.04.2016. 21:29
Mene baš zanima polaris 11.
Treba mi za ženu/HTPC.
Što želim cca GTX950 performanse kao minimum, hdmi2.0, 4k HEVC/VP9 dekodiranje (60fps), 4GB rama, najbitnije od sveg, da se fan ne pali u 2D.
Kako GTX950 košta cca 1200kn, da bude ispod toga.

rock00 11.04.2016. 22:42
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Autor kopija (Post 2912695)
Evo mogućeg uzroka nestašice high-end ATI grafa.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...&postcount=499
Ethereum mining se vrši isključivo na GPU (preporuka je barem 4GB VRAM-a) i pravi je hit.
Mislim da bi to moglo gadno utjecati na cijene u budućnosti, to smo već vidjeli sa bitcoinom u 2013, prije pojave ASIC minera.

Evo bencheva:
Mining performance:
– ethminer CPU mining on Intel Core i7 5820K: 0.95 MHS
– ethminer OpenCL mining on AMD Radeon R9 280X: 24.4 MHS
– ethminer OpenCL mining on Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 Ti: 18.5 MHS
– ethminer CUDA mining on Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 Ti: 18.7 MHS

The network hash rate is 760 GH/s. It is equivalent to 35,000 AMD 280x graphics cards.
Tako da se ne čudite kad cijena u dućanu bude boli glava viša od MSRP.:D

EDIT: nakon malo proučavanja problematike, ispada da budućnost i nije tako mračna.
Barem što se tiče Ethereuma, tko je jamio....
koja je fora stim i kak to radi uopce? malo sam svrljao i kao ima cak i rok otplate graficke tipa 165 dana za 380x.

Jel neko isprobavao? kak se kovergira valuta?

placao sam prije bitconom,al ovo mi nepoznato

sith_lord 11.04.2016. 23:11
Ne znam odakle uopće to da igram Quantum Break... :D

Ja sam se prvotno namjerio na R9 390, ali ako ću za te iste novce +-200-300 kn za 2-4 mjeseca dobiti više, rado ću pričekati. :)
Tako si nekako barem računam...

Manuel Calavera 14.04.2016. 23:57
Evo neke veoma konkretne glasine

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AMD Radeon R9 480 and Radeon R9 470 Series Detailed – Polaris 10 “Ellesmere” Has Around 100W TDP, Polaris 11 “Baffin” Under 50W

Since AMD is going to introduce their new products, they already have two under production and ready to unveil to consumers. Benchlife reveals that the Polaris 10 GPU which is codenamed “Ellesmere” is going to be featured on the Radeon R9 480 series graphics boards. These graphics boards will feature TDP around 100W (110-135W) and as demonstrated at Capsaicin, will have no trouble running latest DirectX 12 titles at 1440P with stable 60 FPS.
The other GPU, Polaris 11 which is codenamed Baffin will be an even less power hungry chip replacing the Radeon R7 370 series. This graphics board will have a TDP of under 50W and is already revealed to be very efficient compared to 28nm counterparts. It’s obvious to point that AMD is strictly eyeing huge efficiency improvements with their Polaris GPUs which will lead them to deliver great solutions across the PC market (Desktops and Notebooks).

Just recently, VR-World leaked new details for the Polaris 10 GPU. From the looks of it, Polaris 10 samples are already in the wild and clocking in at speeds of 800 MHz and up to 1050 MHz. The GPU silicon features 2560 stream processors in total but the specific model id’d as “67DF:C4” has 2304 stream processors enabled. The graphics card ships with GDDR5 memory (GDDR5X if its available in volume) and will feature 8 GB of VRAM of the specific memory standard while featuring a 256-bit wide memory interface. The GPU is based on the new 14nm FinFET architecture.

If these GPUs are meant to replace the Radeon R9 380 series and the Radeon R9/R7 370 series, then I think the specifications make sense. The Radeon R9 380 series shipping with Tonga have a TDP of 190W. AMD can cut the TDP by 70-80W and offer performance equivalent to their current Radeon R9 390 series parts which will will be really nice. Same goes for pricing, the Radeon R9 380 series are available in a sub-$300 price range which I think will be the market AMD is aiming for.

Same goes for the 470 series which are replacing the 110W Radeon R7 370 and based on the really old Pitcairn architecture. AMD could also replace it entirely with a sub-50W part that blows it away in terms of performance at sub-$200 prices.

The last interesting topic we are covering today is also about the Polaris 11 GPU. The website LaptopMedia has already got hands on a laptop which features an early Polaris 11 GPU sample. From the looks of it, the Polaris 11 based notebook they received is not high-end but a low to mid-range model based on its specifications and comes with the brand new GCN 4.0 GPU we know as Polaris 11 that was already demonstrated on desktops.

The website reports that they will be testing and publishing a full review on the notebook in the coming days or week. It’s really interesting how things have developed around the Polaris graphics architecture. AMD seems to be approaching the consumer market with highly efficient yet not too pricey graphics cards. It seems like AMD’s Radeon R9 Fury lineup will still exist in the market as the performance oriented lineup until AMD launches their Vega GPU with HBM2 next year.

MikaHR 15.04.2016. 03:10
Ja bih rekao da su to low TDP laptop verzije grafa.

kopija 15.04.2016. 11:02
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Here's my guess: at Computex we'll see the R7 460 and 470, and the R9 480 and 490, plus 4 Polaris 11 based mobile SKUs.

460 = Polaris 11, 768 SPs, 2/4GB GDDR5, 128b bus
470 = Polaris 11, 1024 SPs, 4GB GDDR5, 128b bus
480 = Polaris 10, 2048 SPs, 6/8GB GDDR5, 192/256b bus
490 = Polaris 10, 2304 SPs, 8GB GDDR5, 256b bus

Later in the year we'll see an R7 470X and R9 490X, and possibly an updated 490 (maybe even 480 if prices work out) using GDDR5X.

470X = full Polaris 11, 1280 SPs, 4GB GDDR5, 128b bus
490X = full Polaris 10, 2560 SPs, 8GB GDDR5X, 256b bus

As for performance, I'd guess full P11 = full Tonga/Antigua, and full P10 = full Fiji.

In Q4 2016 or sometime in early 2017 Vega will launch as the R9 Nano II, R9 Rage and R9 Rage X. Or something like that. Full Vega, as we already know, will have 4096 SPs. I'd guess 16GB HBM2 and a 4096b bus. Of course, there could be a Vega 11 and a Vega 10, although this is unlikely unless the bigger GPU towards Q3 2017?

rock00 15.04.2016. 11:45
znaci ove god manja potrosnja..druge god nesto konkretno :)

Tex Willer 23.04.2016. 19:32
AMD masterplan
 
Zanimljive teorije ima onaj škot sa Youtube-a:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSYBO1BrB1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ktLeS4Fwlw

Mladenxy 23.04.2016. 20:50
Da, baš sam čekao da objavi drugi dio. Skroz zanimljivo, baš me zanima da li će se i koliko od toga obistiniti.

Sam Fischer 23.04.2016. 23:30
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Autor Tex Willer (Post 2917863)
Majko mila, radi zaista kvalitetan sadržaj, ali podere mi uši čovjek :D

Fakat ga je teško slušat :D

JC Denton 24.04.2016. 15:06
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Autor Tex Willer (Post 2917863)
Vrlo zanimljivo "štivo"... no ne treba se veseliti previše uspjehu sada potlačenih (AMD/ATi). Jer ako bude išlo po planu iz videa, AMD će za 3-4-5 godina prodavati skupe grafičke jer im nV neće moći parirati... dakle, isto kao sada Intel/AMD kod CPU-a... samo je pitanje hoće li konkurencija (nVidia) naći načina za parirati.

Manuel Calavera 24.04.2016. 15:16
Zašto nebi parirala? Pa neće ni oni stajati na mjestu. Ovo što on spominje nije ništa novo, da su manji čipovi budućnost, tj. da barem amd više neće praviti velike čipove kao fury x (cca 600mm), nego će rokati više manjih sa interposerom. Te priče su postale glasne od rajinog intervjua sa pcper. Ima dobre priče i ovdje u komentarima

Što je najveća fora, proizvodni procesi, yieldovi i sl. uopće ne ovise niti od amd-a niti od nvidie. Ovise o drugima. Razlika je jedino što amd radi puno više toga od nvidie, te što ima taj neki ugovor sa svojom bivšom tvornicom (global foudry) da svake godine moraju kupiti određen broj čipova. Do nedavno je to bila otegotna okolnost (vjerojatno otud svi ti silni APU refreshevi), a od nedavno (14nm) im je prednost. Ako gf u budućnosti bude imao dobrih procesa = dobro za amd, ako bude truba i amd puši

JC Denton 24.04.2016. 15:35
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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 2918097)
Zašto nebi parirala? Pa neće ni oni stajati na mjestu.
Pa nisam htio reći da neće parirati, samo da se ne bi trebalo ekstatično veseliti "pobjedi" AMD-a, jer je svejedno na koju stranu prevagne vaga, ako prevagne previše. Budući da smo na AMD/ATi podforumu, samo upozoravam fanboy-e da se ne vesele previše, da ne bude "pazi što želiš jer bi mogao upravo to i dobiti" :D

Treba se samo veseliti ujednačavanju snaga i nadi da će nV uspjeti održati konkuretnost. To je ono što cijelu industriju ustvari tjera naprijed i korisnicima o0sigurava bolju tehnologiju za istu ili manju cijenu.

Flood 24.04.2016. 16:03
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Treba se samo veseliti ujednačavanju snaga i nadi da će nV uspjeti održati konkuretnost. To je ono što cijelu industriju ustvari tjera naprijed i korisnicima o0sigurava bolju tehnologiju za istu ili manju cijenu.
Upravo to.
Ali postoji opasnost tajnog kartelskog dogovora :D

Manuel Calavera 24.04.2016. 17:09
Ma kakva "pobjeda" amd-a, pa da uduplaju market share i dalje su ispod 50%. Mogu pobjediti tehnološki, ali novci su ono što se na kraju broji. To je jedina mana tog videa - predramatičan je na kraju 2. dijela. Čak i da u nekom najluđem scenariju stjeraju nvidiju na 20%, nvidiji ništa neće biti ako ni amd nije propao u takvoj situaciji. Em imaju gro kešovine od ranije, em zarađuju masu i u drugim segmentima

Vidi se da se intel i nvidia branchaju (nvidia auto industrija, HPC), miču fokus sa consumer desktopa za koji interes opada. Intel je to i službeno rekao. Upravo će u tom segmentu amd poprilično vratiti marketshare čistom inercijom, samo zbog činjenice da će postojati ponuda novih proizvoda, dakle čak i da novi proizvodi ne budu ništa posebno

Manuel Calavera 24.04.2016. 23:59
AMD Confirms Polaris GPU Positioning – Polaris 10 Aims The Mainstream Desktop/Notebook Market, Polaris 11 Targets Notebook Market

Sve se više potvrđuje moja sumnja da će polaris 11 biti notebook only. AMD nijednom nije spomenio desktop, dok laptope je. Polaris 10 sounds too good

Igorr 26.04.2016. 09:24
AMD Polaris 10 GPU To Offer Near 980 Ti Performance For 299 USD?

Zvuči mi malo predobro da bi bilo istinito ali živi bili pa vidjeli :)

RaneZ 26.04.2016. 10:31
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Autor Igorr (Post 2918709)
Zvuči mi malo predobro da bi bilo istinito ali živi bili pa vidjeli :)
"Malo" :D
Uzimam 3 komada odmah po izlasku i jednu za Bozic. :kafa:
Napokon da Full Hd prodise preko 120fpsa :D

Manuel Calavera 26.04.2016. 10:55
Igorr to ti piše i u onom mom zadnjem linku
Ako je istinito ja mislim da se to odnosi na dx12 u best case scenariju za AMD :D
Znači R9 390/390X u dx11. To su mainstream grafe, fury grafe bi mogle ostati u ponudi kao high end sve do dolaska vege 2017.

Igorr 27.04.2016. 11:33
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Autor RaneZ (Post 2918743)
"Malo" :D
Uzimam 3 komada odmah po izlasku i jednu za Bozic. :kafa:
Napokon da Full Hd prodise preko 120fpsa :D
:)
Marketing i pretjerivanje po strani... ali ovo bi stvarno mogao biti dobar proizvod za tu cijenu i takvu potrošnju (s obzirom na performanse), samo da ne omaše ceo fudbal.

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 2918756)
Igorr to ti piše i u onom mom zadnjem linku
Istina, promaklo mi :)

Manuel Calavera 09.05.2016. 15:12
Citiraj:
According to Zolkorn, AMD will be hosting a special press conference at the end of this month. The press conference will be held in Macau “Las Vegas of Asia” and AMD will invite several editors from around the globe to cover the event. The reason to be holding a press conference in Macau could be due to Computex being right around the corner and AMD might have been unable to arrange a grand event in Taipei so they chose Macau instead. Regardless, the event will take place between 26th – 29th May. AMD will be officially announcing their next-gen Polaris based graphics cards.
Citiraj:
According to AMD, the Radeon R9 Fury series cards are enthusiast grade products. Everything below them that includes the Radeon R9 390 and Radeon R9 380 series are mainstream cards. AMD will be filling this market to dispose off their older cores and replace them with new power efficient products. We know that Polaris 10 will either be the Radeon R9 490 or the Radeon R9 480 series but we can’t be so sure as this information is still part of a rumor.
Te ovo na što sam od početka sumLJao:

Citiraj:
The AMD Polaris 11 GPU however is said to be aimed at the notebook market. The chip is said to have wattage under 50W so it makes sense to include this in laptops as its efficiency and performance stats will prove great but this also means that we may or may not see a desktop graphics card based on Polaris 11 for a while or one at all. Right now, according to the official statement from AMD, Polaris 11 seems to be a mobility focused GPU.
AMD nikad ničim nije natuknijo da P11 dolazi na desktop

MikaHR 09.05.2016. 17:18
Daj mi molim te objasni razliku izmedju "desktop" čipa i "laptop" čipa.

U medjuvremenu:

http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris-10-p...-launch-event/


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