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Realno skupe ploce i jos uvijek skup ram .. bar gledajući na ono sto smo navikli do sad..
..cuo sam negdje da amd tvrdi da je ddr5 6000 sweet spot za zen4, hm , cjenovno gledano jos nije lol

Ovoga puta igram strpljivo i za sad samo lurkam
...mozda jedino ako bude akcija za veliki petak ili makar za Božić :o

AMD CEO to negotiate 2nm, 3nm chip supplies with TSMC:kafa:

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Lisa Su, AMD's chief executive, and other company C-level execs plan to visit Taiwan in late September – early November to discuss collaboration with local partners. Among the companies, AMD's management intends to meet are Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., chip packaging specialists, and big PC makers. Lisa Su plans to discuss future collaboration with TSMC's chief executive CC Wei during her visit. Among the topics is the usage of TSMC's 'N3 Plus' fabrication node (probably N3P) and N2 (2nm-class) manufacturing technology. In addition, the two companies' chief executives will discuss plans for upcoming orders, which include technologies that are either available or set to become available in the short-term future. AMD's impressive success in recent years is enabled mainly by TSMC's ability to produce chips in high volume using its highly competitive process technologies. To continue its spree of screaming success, AMD must ensure sufficient allocation at TSMC and early access to the foundry's latest process design kits (PDK). TSMC will start volume production of chips on its N2 node sometime in the second half of 2025, so it is about time for AMD to start talking about the usage of N2 for its 2026 products and beyond.

In addition to advanced TSMC's semiconductor manufacturing technologies, AMD's future success will depend on advanced chip packaging technologies as the company (like other designers of chips) will extensively use multi-chiplet chip packaging technologies. So, AMD's Lisa Su will also discuss collaboration with TSMC, Ase Technology, and SPIL on the advanced packaging front. At present, AMD already uses TSMC's 3D SoIC (system on integrated chips) platform, such as CoWoS (chip on wafer on the substrate) packaging technology, as well as Ase's fan-out embedded bridge (FO-EB) packaging method for some of its products. However, in the future, usage of innovative packaging will only increase, which is why AMD needs to negotiate allocation and prices well in advance. In addition to longer-term plans, AMD's C-level executives will discuss more down-to-earth things like supplies of sophisticated printed circuit boards (PCBs) used for its CPUs (which is one of the factors that restrains AMD server CPU shipments) as well as provisions of Ajinomoto build-up films (ABF) for these PCBs with partners like Unimicron Technology, Nan Ya PCB and Kinsus Interconnect Technology.

Finally, AMD's executives will meet with Asus and Acer, two large PC makers from Taiwan with close ties with the American chip designers, and ASMedia, which develops chipsets for the red company.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3625643)

AMD CEO to negotiate 2nm, 3nm chip supplies with TSMC:kafa:

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

Imaju para sad, utjecaj, troši se i rezervira kapacitet, kad se samo sjetim u kakvoj su situaciji bili ne tako davno :goood:.

Da, ženska to fino vodi, nema kaj, a Zen 4 + RDNA 3 budu (po svemu sudeći) još jedan konkretan korak prema naprijed.:frend:

AMD-ova priča, gdje su bili, iz čega su nastali i počeli, te trenutna situacija i pripreme za budućnost su taman materijal za neki dokumentarni serijal.

I polako postaje brand ciji proc nece moc svako kupit a intel postaje jeftin brand lol

Nije baš tak, jer AMD je u vrijeme jednojezgrenih procesora imal FX modele koji su išli za 1.000$ i nije ih mogel svatko kupiti, pa su na kraju završili pred bankrotom, a u Intelu su to vrijeme proveli stojeći na mjestu bez konkurencije, pa ih je sad fino dočekalo nespremne. Osim toga, sve ovo kaj Intel sad nudi je direktna posljedica i odgovor na AMD, jer ne bi ništa od toga bilo na tržištu Intelovom dobrotom, a da je AMD kojim slučajem propal, još uvijek bi bili na quad-core rješenjima. Kaj se budžet rješenja tiče, Intel planira dići cijene kaj za preostali Alder Lake, kaj za novi Raptor Lake, a opravdanje je tak jasno, situacija u svijetu i na tržištu općenito. Kak god se okrene, obje firme nude opcije za svaki tržišni segment, ali bome budu i nove stvari fino naplatili koliko god mogu, dokle god ide. AMD je možda nekad bio na glasu kao budžet opcija za one koji si ne mogu priuštiti Intel, ali tome je odavno kraj, posebice unatrag zadnjih pet godina, a Intel neće nestati, samo nek se dogovore sami sa sobom kud i kak misle dalje, prestanu srati kvake s marketingom i to je to.
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Autor Bruno_Rv (Post 3625732)

I polako postaje brand ciji proc nece moc svako kupit a intel postaje jeftin brand lol

S obzirom na novosti, oba dva dizu cijene i niti jedan ih ne zeli snizit, za prijasnje gen Zen 3 je jos uvijek BB.

Kaže rezidentni Intel + nVidia stručnjak da Ryzen 9 7950X nije zadnje smetje.:):D Ko zna možda stvarno valja.:kafa:

https://www.racunala.hr/procesor-amd...m_medium=click

cijena je blergh, 3300 kuna za 6 jezgri je užas.

Pogledaj cijenu za gotovinu (-10%) i tečaj, USD je prestigao EUR ... 299 * tečaj * 1,25 (PDV).

I još cc 3000 kn ako ideš na X670 ploču plus DDR5...šlag na tortu RTX 4090 15 000 kn i počastiš se sa jednim dobrim OLEDom od 65" za 13 000 kn čisto da zaokružiš cjelinu :D

Cijena novog hardvera nije problem, ako se ima novaca, a uz to najbolje se uvijek plaća, tak je barem bilo u rasponu od 2006. do 2017. kad je gaming-crown quad-core koštal kakvih 3.500 kn.:):D Opet s druge strane, ne treba odmah prvi dan kupiti preskupe X670E ploče, kad dva tjedna nakon toga stižu cijenom normalni obični B650 modeli, koji budu po uzoru na dosadašnje B450 i B550, itekak poslužili većinu korisnika u udomili barem Zen 5, ako ne i Zen 6 generacije. 16GB DDR5-4800 moduli su kakvih 600 kn, tak da i to nije neka pretjerana cifra, pa tko god treba i hoće AM5 Zen 4 platformu u prvih nekoliko tjedana, ima finog izbora, samo treba pričekati da se nakon sutrašnjih recenzija (između 13:00h i 17:00h za ovaj naš dio svijeta), slegne prašina.
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Autor Mladenxy (Post 3626199)

I još cc 3000 kn ako ideš na X670 ploču plus DDR5...šlag na tortu RTX 4090 15 000 kn i počastiš se sa jednim dobrim OLEDom od 65" za 13 000 kn čisto da zaokružiš cjelinu :D

4090 15000kn? Malo optimizam, jel :D

a dobro je znana racunica za tehniku je usd x10 kn, znaci da ce kostati 20k kn :D

sta nije cijena ovih 5600x isto bila 3k kn kad je izasao, i jedino je bio isplativ kada je pao i kada je kasnije dosao "obicni" 5600

Ciklus se uvik ponavalja normalno da ce u startu bit skupo kasnije se to poravna sa proslom generacijom,opcenito cijena i izbor* procesora nije problem nisu ni ovi iz prosle generacije losi...Samo eto da se ne povampire pa da ova cijena bude neka normala.

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Sudeći po Puget Systems pregledu, reklo bi se da novi Zen 4 valja, ali Intel i dalje ima većinu tržišta, a to je ono kaj je stvarno bitno.:):D

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AMD Ryzen 7000 RDNA2 GPU features confirmed:kafa:

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Ryzen 7000 iGPU has powerful video decoding and display output specs. AMD today reaffirms that the built-in RDNA2 GPU has two Compute Units. As mentioned before, the iGPU is part of the new 6nm IOD die on the AM5 package. This new ‘disintegrated’ approach to Ryzen chiplet design gives AMD flexibility to upgrade and mix chiplets in future Ryzen CPUs. The built-in RDNA2 GPU has powerful video encoding and decoding capability for the most popular codecs. It supports decoding and encoding for H.264 and H.265, but also decode for AV1, which is a new standard gaining popularity thanks to Intel Arc and NVIDIA RTX 40 series. AMD RDNA2 graphics already support AV1 decoding on Ryzen 6000 mobile CPU series as well as on Radeon RX 6000 GPUs. The GPU supports HDMI 2.1, and DisplayPort 2.0 and Type-C DP mode. It is worth noting that even NVIDIA RTX 40 series do not support DP 2.0 standard, so NVIDIA, better take a note. This standard will be available with Intel ARC GPUs, though.

Izvor: Interneti

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Autor Gemmy (Post 3626236)

Što je toliko koštao?
Meni je glavi neš da je bio oko 2300kn.
A toliko su cca obično bili i i5 K.

5600x je kostao 2600-2700 u vecini ducana. 3000 je mozda bio kod onih idiota u conradu.

AMD Ryzen 7000X3D series confirmed in leaked Company Roadmap:kafa:

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An alleged AMD client product roadmap slide leaked to the web confirms the Ryzen 7000X3D series. This also builds on a confirmation by Robert Hallock that 3DV Cache technology remains a continued part of the company's client processor roadmap. The 3DV Cache tech played in instrumental role in shoring up gaming performance of AMD's previous-generation "Zen 3" microarchitecture to levels matching or exceeding those of the Intel "Alder Lake," with a performance uplift in the range of 10 to 25 percent. The expectations for 3DV Cache to work a similar miracle with "Zen 4" are set rather high. While "Zen 4" has achieved gaming performance parity with "Alder Lake," Intel's next-generation "Raptor Lake" is right around the corner, with the company claiming 10-15% single-threaded performance uplifts that should restore the its gaming performance leadership over AMD. The alleged AMD roadmap does not specify when exactly the Ryzen 7000X3D comes out, but is part of the block that spans Q3-2022, deep into 2023. Rumors are abuzz that the company could unveil the 7000X3D in the first half of 2023.

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AMD’s Ryzen 7 7800X3D will have a boost clock of over 5GHz, a notable uplift from the 4.5GHz upper limit on the 5800X3D.
You can expect the Zen 4 X3D family to consist of the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, Ryzen 9 7900X3D, and the 7950X3D.
Threadripper 7000 & Ryzen 7000G Chips in 2H 2023
AMD should launch the Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs in December or January (during CES 2023).

Izvor: TechPowerUp

zašto neće bit 7600x3d??

Možda i bude (mada sumnjam), ali ove trenutno aktualne glasine ne spominju 7600X3D.

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AMD issues early Q3’22 Financial Results: Misses guidance by $1B as Client revenue craters:kafa:

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Underscoring a difficult second half of the year that seems to be shaping up for the entire tech industry, AMD this afternoon has become the latest tech company to warn investors that revenues for the quarter are going to come in significantly under previous guidance. Releasing a preliminary third quarter financial results statement, AMD is reporting that revenues for the quarter will come in at around $5.6 billion, which is over $1 billion below AMD’s previous guidance of $6.7 billion. Driving this unexpected drop in revenues is an exceptionally weak client market, with revenues down 40% versus Q3’21 and resulting in what’s traditionally AMD’s largest market segment by revenue becoming their smallest in a single quarter. At a high level, AMD’s situation mirrors the rest of the tech industry, particularly other chip rivals like Intel and nVidia. For a multitude of reasons from reduced consumer demand to preparations for a likely recession, PC OEMs are significantly reducing their stockpiles of completed systems and parts. OEM inventories had become relatively bloated following the pandemic, as OEMs surged to meet the spike in demand for new client systems for a newly-remote workforce. But as the pandemic has subsided, so has the demand for new systems.

The result for AMD is that, simply put, client revenue for the third quarter has cratered. AMD’s client segment, which covers desktop and mobile CPU/APU sales, is expected to book about $1B in revenue for Q3. This is down 40% on a year-over-year basis, and an even larger 53% on a quarterly basis. And while AMD doesn’t issue formal guidance for specific segments – meaning that it’s not possible to say how far off client revenues were from AMD’s expectations – the year-over-year drop is a sharp change for a product segment that for the last several quarters has been seeing strong growth. Complicating matters, AMD has their own inventory stockpiles to manage. The precipitous drop in OEM CPU orders means that AMD is having to write-down the value of their chip inventory to account for lower ASPs, which will be reflected as a further $160 million charge in their Q3 earnings. Notably here, the charge is not just for the client business, but rather “the graphics and client businesses”, indicating that while the bulk of AMD’s immediate pain is in CPUs, they are also feeling some pressure on the graphics business.

As a result of these charges and drop in client sales is that, by revenue, AMD’s client segment is now the smallest of the company’s four primary segments, coming in below even the embedded/Xilinx segment. In its place, AMD’s Data Center and Gaming (consumer GPUs & console SoCs) segments are now their top divisions, each tied at about $1.6B apiece under AMD’s preliminary numbers. The net impact to AMD’s business, in turn, is that revenue for the quarter is coming in at about $1.1 billion below AMD’s previous guidance. AMD isn’t reporting any net income/profitability figures with their preliminary results, but it does mean that, besides the immediate revenue drop, the GAAP gross margin is dropping to ~42% – down from 46% in the previous quarter – while the non-GAAP gross margin is 4% below AMD’s guidance for Q3.

Despite all of that, however, AMD’s overall revenue for Q3 is still around 29% higher than the year-ago quarter, which is the silver lining that AMD is focusing on for now. While the client segment significantly underperformed for Q3, AMD’s remaining Data Center, Gaming, and Embedded segments all “increased significantly year-over-year in-line with the company’s expectations”, leading to the company’s overall growth. The Data Center business in particular was up 45% year-over-year, a significant jump that comes despite the fact that AMD’s current generation of Milan processors are nearing the end of their cycle as AMD prepares to launch their next-gen Genoa processors later this quarter. AMD will have a full accounting of its third quarter results on November 1st, when the company presents their full earnings report. Besides providing finalized revenue numbers and a look at what it means for profitability, it will also be our first look at what AMD expects for client demand in the final quarter of the year. Given the nature of inventory drawdowns, this soft client market is likely not going to be a single-quarter event for AMD, so it will be interesting to see what this means for their operations for the next few quarters.

Izvor: AnandTech

Početak kraja ... rekordnih zarada:chears:

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Autor demetrius (Post 3627748)

zašto neće bit 7600x3d??

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3627752)

Možda i bude (mada sumnjam), ali ove trenutno aktualne glasine ne spominju 7600X3D.

Čisto sumnjam da će izbaciti 7600x s 3d cacheom, taj praktički nebi imao konkurenciju što se tiče performansi, osim jačih 3d modela poput 7800x 3d i 7900x 3d, a donio bi AMD-u manju zaradu od spomenutih cpu-a... Mislim da je 3d cache rezerviran za 7800x, bikoz gejming je najbolji sa 8 jezgri, a možda se nađe i koji 7900x 3d u ovoj generaciji iako se osobno nebi kladio u to...

Da, to bi urušilo lineup.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000-...s-2023-unveil/

Druga generacija 3dcachea + razna poboljšanja u samom Zen 4 dizajnu da bolje funkcionira s 3dcache-om + ddr5 koji se pokazao kao dobar boost u novim igrama + znatno viši taktovi od prve generacije = razvalit će Intel toliko da se plavi i njihovi fanovi neće oporaviti narednih 5 godina. Kad se radi o takvim proizvodima za cijenu ne pitam, bit će odličan partner za 4090 koju bottleneckaju svi trenutni procesori u većoj ili manjoj mjeri.

S obzirom koliko će biti dobar trebali bi ga cijeniti 20 000 kn ko i kožnati novu rtx 4090...pa onda nek zarade pošteno kad vrijedi :D