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Autor sakomako (Post 3619261)

Sve je to lipo samo koliko kWh energije troši?

Ovisi koliko dugo radi

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3619279)

Troši ugrubo duplo manje od konkurencije.:chears:

Točno to.

Nije loše, nije loše, zainteresiran sam..
Taman sam se pripremio uz novo kućište i aio, uz razumne cijene sve je moguće.. :o

AMD set to become TSMC's second largest customer for 5nm products:frend:

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As AMD is ramping up production of its next-generation CPUs and GPUs, it is set to become the second largest client of TSMC's N5 (5nm-class) production node platform in the second half of 2022, according to a DigiTimes report. But will it become the foundry's second largest customer overall? If so, it would be behind Apple, but ahead of MediaTek. AMD is set to launch a multiple new products made using various nodes that belong to TSMC's N5 family. First up, next month the company will release its long-awaited Ryzen 7000-series processors for desktops based on its Zen 4 microarchitecture. Later this year, the firm will start ramping production of its 4th Generation EPYC processors codenamed Genoa featuring the same Zen 4 microarchitecture. Also, later this year AMD plans to release its Radeon RX 7000-series graphics processors featuring its RDNA 3 architecture. While ramp up of datacenter-oriented EPYC will be fairly slow, client-oriented Ryzen and Radeon should ramp relatively quickly, so AMD will have several high-volume N5 chips in production by the end of the year.

Going into 2023, AMD is set to launch its EPYC processors codenamed Bergamo featuring Zen 4C cores for cloud native workloads in Q1 as well as EPYC CPUs codenamed Siena for telecommunications equipment later on. Both are set to be made using one of TSMC's N5 process technologies. In addition, AMD is projected to introduce its Zen 4-based Ryzen 7000 codenamed Phoenix processor for mainstream and high-performance laptops in the second half of next year. To sum up, AMD is going to order a boatload of chips for various applications (desktops, notebooks, high-performance servers, cloud servers, telco servers) made on multiple TSMC's N5 process technologies in the next six to nine months. As a result, it may well become TSMC's second largest N5 customer if not in late 2022, but in the first half of 2023.

Readers who follow AMD closely may ask whether AMD becoming TSMC's second largest customer on N5 platform could also mean that the company is poised to become the foundry's second largest customer in general. Based on what we know about TSMC's largest customers, AMD was somewhat behind MediaTek last December, but the gap between the companies has shrunk since then, partially due to AMD acquiring Xilinx. MediaTek tends sell boatload of system-on-chips for consumer electronics, smartphones, and tablets as well as to adopt TSMC's latest nodes more aggressively than the CPU and GPU company, which is why its spending on production is high. But MediaTek's SoCs have a very long lifespan, so they are cheap to make.

Meanwhile, AMD's N5-based product family will be very broad in terms of applications, so the volumes that the company will need will also be huge. Since TSMC charges more for N5 chips than it does for N7 products, AMD's next-generation N5 chips will be more expensive to make than its existing devices, so the company's spending at TSMC will also raise. Will it be enough to leave MediaTek behind? We do not know for sure, but AMD clearly has chances to do so. Being TSMC's second largest customer has its benefits as it strengthens AMD's position when negotiating allocation, prices or talking about process technology customizations. Allocation is very important for companies like AMD in general and now that it has so many product lines that benefit from leading-edge nodes, it is crucial for AMD to strengthen its relationship with TSMC. Being the second largest customer is certainly a good way of strengthening ties with any foundry.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

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Autor Eladio (Post 3619433)

Nije loše, nije loše, zainteresiran sam..
Taman sam se pripremio uz novo kućište i aio, uz razumne cijene sve je moguće.. :o

Nije loše u odnosu na ZEN3 i ako budu cjene ko u najavi.. ali je dosta loše u odnosu na Raptor Lake.

Link: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-795...er-than-5950x/

Iskreno očekivalo se da bude tu negdje po perf. sa RL, kad ono ispada da je u rangu ili mrvicu jači od AL, samo s manjom potrošnjom.
Uz najavljene sulude cijene matičnih za Zen4 i još uvijek (pre)skupu DDR5, neznam baš, ne izgleda kao neka prilika..:rtfm:

Iskreno, prema ovome (CPU-Z benchmark:)) ispada da bude Zen 4 itekak u rangu s Raptor Lakeom, koji je ionak prepakirani Alder Lake. Mislim, ako stvarno ispadne da 7950X 16C/32T općenito nudi performanse u rangu 24C/32T 13900K modela, ali s osjetno nižom potrošnjom, to je to. Cijena cjelokupne AM5 platforme bude svakak visoka, (mada 2x16GB DDR5 ide za 1.200 kn), ali isto tak to je (kao i AM4) podloga za višegodišnje generacije procesora, tak da i nije prestrašna računica. Istinabog, u početku izlaze samo skupe X670(E) ploče, dok većini zanimljivije B650 stižu koji mjesec kasnije, pa ko se može strpjeti, nije ni to loša opcija.

AMD Zen 4 X3D Launches Q1 2023:kafa:

7950X će izgleda biti jako blizu granici od 6Ghz sa PBO-om...
Binned cores FTW :D

https://share.api.weibo.cn/share/331...07511867920916

Nisam bas ksuzio taj screengrab? Text iznad CPU-Z screengraba govori 5.85 GHz a screengrab pokazuje Core speed 4.85 GHz ?

Di nestade 1Ghz ?

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Autor Lewis (Post 3619938)

Nisam bas ksuzio taj screengrab? Text iznad CPU-Z screengraba govori 5.85 GHz a screengrab pokazuje Core speed 4.85 GHz ?

Di nestade 1Ghz ?

Da, valjda nije uhvaćen pravi trenutak boosta, ali informacija je izgleda provjerena.
5.85Ghz out of the box, naravno ne sustained workloads već samo single threaded spikeovi - očekivano...

AMD B650E "Extreme" chipset confirmed, brings PCIe 5.0 for GPU and SSD:frend:

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AMD's upcoming launch of Ryzen 7000 series processors will bring an entirely new AM5 platform that will enable newer technologies and protocols. We have DDR5 memory and PCIe 5.0 connection with everything at level five. However, the upcoming chipsets AMD has designed to work alongside the new processors will be available in several variants. There will be regular X670 and B650 versions that support either a PCIe 5.0 GPU or a PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVIMe SSD. Today, we got a confirmation that not only the big X670 chipset has an "E" or "Extreme" version, but its smaller brother B650 as well. With X670E and B650E, users get both PCIe 5.0 connectivity for their GPU and M.2 NVIMe SSD. For more information, we have to wait for AMD's official launch information later today.

Izvor: TechPowerUp

Nije to-to, AMD u najbitnijoj real-world_Ryan_Shrout_ediŠn aplikaciji za opalenje i dalje kaska za konkurencijom.:):D

Danas kasno u noć, tj. 01:00h po našem vremenu je službeno preCtavljanje, pa da vidimo kaj su pripremili.

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AMD is set to announce its new series on August 29th. Just two weeks later on September 15th, AMD will lift the embargo on product sales.

AMD Ryzen 7000 Announcement – August 29th, 2022
AMD Ryzen 7000 Reviews – September 13th, 2022
AMD Ryzen 7000 Launch – September 15th, 2022

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AMD Ryzen 7000 “Zen 4” CPUs Hit Retail on 15th September, X670 Motherboards on 27th September, B650 on 10th October

Samo cijena procesora nije toliki problem, koliko cijena maticnih i memorije. Sve skupa bude previse.

Ja odlucio uzet 5600x i preskočiti sljedecih par generacija.

Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk

Hype train is here, choo choo :zdero: :D

Ryzen 7000 Desktop Preview - by Angstronomics

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Each 8-core 5nm Zen 4 CCD is made up of 6.57 Billion transistors. This packs 58% more transistors than the previous 7nm Zen 3 CCD (4.15B) despite the die being over 10% smaller.

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Autor Gemmy (Post 3620142)

Samo cijena procesora nije toliki problem, koliko cijena maticnih i memorije. Sve skupa bude previse.

IMHO, jedino nove AM5 ploče su zapravo najveći problem, jer cijene DDR5 modula su fino pale od Alder Lake izlaska prije skoro godinu dana.

Na brzinu sam provjeril i u kolovozu 2017. kad sam kupoval tada novi R5 1600, 2x8GB DDR4-2400 memorije je koštalo lijepih 1.200 kn, dok je B350-F Gaming ploča išla za malo iznad 1.000 kn.

Danas se za 1.200 kn može naći 2x16GB DDR5 kompleta, jedino ostaju pretjerane cijene novih AM5 ploča, tj. treba vidjeti da li bude u listopadu običnih B650 AM5 modela za kakvih 1.000 kn do 1.350 kn.

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3620147)

Da ne spominjem raznih problema XMP profilima u početcima. Neka izlazi AM5 pa da ispeglaju dječje bolesti.

Ja barem neću još nadograđivati osim veći NVME i grafičke.

Ali, svakako ću pratiti razvoj ITX ploče :fiju:

Eh da, čekam Noctua sa AM5 kit :D

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Autor Exilled (Post 3620147)

... Na brzinu sam provjeril i u kolovozu 2017. ...

Malo je to šaralo :)
10/2014. Crucial 2x8GB 2133MHz - 1.530
04/2017. Corsair 2x16GB 3000MHz - 1.996
06/2018. Patriot 2x16GB 2666MHz - 2.599
10/2020. Corsair 2x16GB 3000MHz - 1.033
11/2021. G.Skill 2x16GB 3600MHz - 1.149

Vidjet ćemo za par sati, $799 za 7950X je ok obzirom na opću inflaciju, posebno ako stvarno bude +35% multi-core boosta.
Hoće bit doček Nove na forumu u 1:00 kao prošli put za Zen 2 kad je "baba izvadila 16-core" ? :)

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Autor Dottore (Post 3620160)

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Eh da, čekam Noctua sa AM5 kit :D

Jedino ako imaš NH-L9a, ostali bi trebali biti ok (kompatibilni).

Da, bilo je svega kaj se cijena tiče, samo sam uzel svoj primjer, jer ove današnje DDR5 cijene nisu tak prestrašne obzirom na situaciju.

Orginal kupnja iz kolovoza 2017. i kakvih godinu dana kasnije još dodatnih 2x8GB istog pakiranja.:frend:

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https://i.postimg.cc/YSqtk5yx/AMD-01.png

https://i.postimg.cc/jjgtjMpY/AMD-02.png

Kaj se dočeka tiče, budemo pričekali još malo da vidimo imaju ikaj ili nikaj za reći i pokazati.:chears:

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryze...0x-for-699-usd

Leakali službeni slajdovi par sati prije službenog reveala. +13% IPC, frekvencija do 5.7 GHz, do 29% ST performance uplift, release date 27.09.

7950x 699 USD 170W TDP
7900x 549 USD 170W TDP
7700x 399 USD 105W TDP
7600x 299 USD 105W TDP

7600x je navodno 5% brži u gamingu u odnosu na 12900k što zvuči jako impresivno, ali trebala bi ta cijena ići vrlo brzo dole IMO kada dođe Raptor u tom cjenovnom rangu.

Dok show ne počne, još malo infoa...

Edit: kolega je bio brži :)

Izgleda jako pristojno i ako stvarno koji mjesec nakon ovoga izbace Zen 4 3D cache modele, bog-bogova.:frend:

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Autor Max Rockatansky (Post 3620162)

Uh, mislim pred kraj 2019 ugrabio Corsair 2x16GB 3200MHz (Micron) ~ 1200kn
Điđabajt x570 pro wifi (itx) - 2000kn , samo što Asus bio 2400kn

Mašala, imam NH-D12L :D

edit.
Uh, ista cijena 7900x i 5900x. Razlika 65W tdp, 6mb keša i 1ghz base. Bit će zanimljivo i za usporedbu.

I službeno su potvrdili da bude AM5 platforma podržana do barem 2025., a obzirom da je AM4 trebal biti do 2020., ide i AM5 koju godinu dulje od 2025.:)

RX 7000 RDNA 3 chiplet GPU je pokazan samo u prolazu i stiže krajem godine. Sve u svemu vredu.:chears:

Ja čekam ZEN 5 generaciju ili ako se Intel oporavi i izbaci nešto pametno, a možda uskoče u međuvremenu i neki novi igrači! Iako je mašina iz 2015 sasvim solidno radi 4/8 i ne troši puno i ne grije se, sve što mi treba uredno odrađuje.

Lijepo je vidjeti napredak, no da bih mijenjao trebam u tome vidjeti i neku računicu, pogotovo na računu za struju.

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Autor sakomako (Post 3620245)

koliko tebi troši računalo pa ti je to neka stavka na računu za struju 3 kw ? sta ti znači oće npr. CPU trošit 90w ili 135w u loadu

Meni je ono što me odbijalo od AMD riješeno.
1) IGPU
2)fanless chipset

No onak mi se ne čine tak drastični skokovi u performansi (s obzirom na node shrink i ddr5), pričekat ću da se riješe bugovi s ddr5 i X3D da izađe.

Ne zanima me više od 8 jezgri ni kod AMD ni kod INTEL. Performanse u igrama, ko dobije, ima moju lovu.

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Autor nick praskaton (Post 3620246)

koliko tebi troši računalo pa ti je to neka stavka na računu za struju 3 kw ? sta ti znači oće npr. CPU trošit 90w ili 135w u loadu

nakupi se ako se čovjek recimo 16h na dan igra na računalu, ili 8h renderira nešto a 8h se igra

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Autor segregator (Post 3620253)

nakupi se ako se čovjek recimo 16h na dan igra na računalu, ili 8h renderira nešto a 8h se igra

Ne troši puno energije CPU na igrama. A ko rendera, valjda to radi za pare pa mu firma/obrt plaća pa ga zaboli.

Grafičke su druga priča, one mogu i sobu zagrijat, al CPU je zanemarivo....

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Autor markecSMB (Post 3620247)

No onak mi se ne čine tak drastični skokovi u performansi (s obzirom na node shrink i ddr5), pričekat ću da se riješe bugovi s ddr5 i X3D da izađe.

Da, nisu drastični skokovi, ali su sasvim solidni, obzirom da je Zen 4 zapravo osvježeni Zen 3 uz TSMC 5nm proces i hrpu ostalih sitnica koje su nagurali.

Zen 5 bude opet skroz nova arhitektura, a Zen 4 se po svemu prikazanom, čini kao jako fini odmak u odnosu na postojeće Zen 3 modele.

Hands-On with Delidded AMD Ryzen 9 7950X CPU:kafa: