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The Exiled 07.07.2022. 22:46

Potencijalni Zen 4 na AM4 može biti godinu ili dvije nakon kaj bude AM5 službeno u opticaju i opet bude dobro, taman da se MBO ekipa pobuni i ograniči Zen 4 samo na B550 i X570.:)

Nakon pet godina, AM4 je ispunil i više od očekivanog, tak da se bilo kaj dodatno, novi Zen 3 ili Zen 4 + 3D cache modeli, mogu dočekati kao dodatan bonus na koji nitko ionak nije računal.
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Citiraj:

AMD Ryzen 7800X3D/7900X3D to Launch in November 2022, 2 Months After Ryzen 7800X and 7900X:frend:
Citiraj:

AMD will be following up its Ryzen 7000 launch with the Ryzen 7000X3D processors in quick succession in the last quarter of the year. The Zen 4 core architecture will be largely identical to Zen 3 on the surface. The client platform will get up to two 5nm (N5) CCDs with 16 cores and 64MB of L3 cache alongside a 6nm (N6) I/O die featuring 24 PCIe Gen 5 lanes and DDR5-5400 memory. The cores should get wider and the caches fatter to feed the faster execution units and the improved branch predictor. The Ryzen 7000 desktop processors, codenamed Raphael are slated for launch this fall, probably on the 15th of September. AMD will roll out four high-end processors, namely the Ryzen 5 7600X, Ryzen 7 7800X, Ryzen 9 7900X, and the 7950X. These will pack 6, 8, 12, and 16 cores, respectively, and battle Intel’s premier Alder Lake/Raptor lake parts.

The Ryzen 7000X3D lineup codenamed Raphael-X is being primed for launch just two months after Raphael. As already stated in AMD’s Financial Analyst Day 2022 presentation, these chips will land in the last quarter of the year. A November launch is highly likely. With Zen 4D, we should see multiple SKUs including the Ryzen 5 7600X3D, Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and possibly even the Ryzen 9 7900X3D. The 3D V-Cache on these SKUs may vary from 64MB to 128MB with the latter packing two cache dies, one atop each CCD. Considering this roadmap, the chances of additional Ryzen 5000X3D parts are quite low, although I wouldn’t write it off entirely. We may yet see a Ryzen 5 5600X3D as AMD has been losing market share to Intel in that segment for a while now. With the next-gen Ryzen 7000 parts sticking to the high-end space, for the time being, a competitive budget Zen 3/Zen 3D part seems like a good idea.
Izvor: Hardware Times
Citiraj:

AMD Ryzen 7000-Series Likely to Launch On or Before the 4th of August:frend:
Citiraj:

Courtesy of Planet 3DNow! we now know when AMD will be launching the Ryzen 7000-series of CPU's, as the site posted about an upcoming AMD event called Meet the Experts on Twitter. The event registration page reads "Supporting the recent launch of AMD Ryzen 7000 Series processors," which suggests that the new Ryzen 7000-series is likely to launch on or before the 4th of August. The event takes place at 11:00 in the morning, CET (Central Daylight Time) or 16:00 UTC. The event will showcase motherboards from AMD's partners and representatives from ASRock, ASUS, Biostar, Gigabyte and MSI will be attending the online event. There's still no mention of the B650E chipset, but apparently X670E and X670 products will be shown, but not even B650 at this point. Based on the short summary blurb, we're also likely to see a PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSD being shown off. AMD will obviously have a separate launch event for the Ryzen 7000-series, but if that will take place on the same day, or on a different date, is unknown at this point.
Izvor: TechPowerUp

The Exiled 02.08.2022. 23:45

AMD beats Q2 earnings with revenue of $6.55B, up 70%:kafa:
Citiraj:

The results were better than what rival Intel reported. In the past couple of years, Intel has also stumbled on both the chip design side and in manufacturing, where it has lost its technological advantage to rivals such as TSMC, which makes both processors and graphics chips for AMD. As a result, AMD has been making historic market share gains for the past three years. What’s interesting is AMD has been making these gains amid a historic chip shortage driven by the supply whipsaw from the pandemic and unprecedented demand for electronic goods.

The revenue was a new record for AMD in a second quarter, and it came courtesy of growth in all there of the company's operating segments which target the personal computing, data center computing and gaming and custom devices. For the outlook, AMD expects Q3 2022 revenue to hit $6.7 billion, plus or minus $200 million, up 55% from a year ago thanks to growth in the datacenter and embedded segments. For the full year, AMD estimates revenue will be $26.3 billion, up 60% from a year earlier, and gross margins of 54%. In contrast to Intel's big miss last week, AMD actually delivered a solid quarter, solidifying its spot as an increasingly prominent player within both the high-performance PC and data center CPU market.
AMD CEO Lisa Su announced that the company's 5nm Ryzen 7000 processors, the first Zen 4 models to come to market, will arrive later this quarter. Su also announced that the company will launch its high-end RDNA 3 GPU later this year. Finally, AMD also confirmed that its Genoa server chips are on track to ramp up this year. In contrast, AMD seems to be firing on all cylinders as it prepares to launch its Ryzen 7000 CPUs, RDNA 3 GPUs, and EPYC Genoa data center processors on schedule.
Izvor: AMD i Tom's Hardware

Dr. Strange 03.08.2022. 02:50

Citiraj:

Autor The Exiled (Post 3615018)

Znači AMD propada :roller:.

Disco 03.08.2022. 08:22

A moglo bi uskoro svima biti veselo. Na Tajvanu je situacija poprilično usijana.
Nadam se da svi skupa imaju nekakav backup plan za proizvodnju.Samsung trlja ruke... tj jesu li uopće njihove tvornice u Koreji?

The Exiled 03.08.2022. 08:47

Ma ima svega na sve moguće strane, ciganluk je jak naročito kad država daje pare. TSMC je nedavno završil svoj 5nm FAB u Arizoni, dok je Intel istovremeno odgodil radove na svojim fabrikama, dokle god im država nije osigurala sreCtva.

Samsung većinu toga bitnog (mikroprocesori) drži na domaćem terenu, ali imaju i par DDR tvornica u Kini, tak da kak god se okrene svi vodeći proizvođači se taktički raspoređuju diljem svijeta.
Citiraj:

US to Stop TSMC, Intel From Adding Advanced Chip Fabs in China
Citiraj:

As the US Congress passed an historic $52 billion federal program to boost domestic chipmaking capabilities, it included one significant caveat: Companies that receive the funding have to promise not to increase their production of advanced chips in China. Large chunk of the federal grant is expected to go to Intel, TSMC and South Korea’s Samsung Electronics Co., all of which are now building new chip fabrication facilities worth tens of billions in the US. Among potential recipients of the federal grant, only TSMC is making relatively advanced chips in China at the moment. Its facility in the southern Chinese city of Nanjing makes 28-nanometer and more advanced 16-nanometer chips, roughly the equivalent of the most sophisticated product SMIC can make.
Izvor: Bloomberg
Kaj se općenito AMD i Intel sitaucije tiče, čak i na stranu financijska izvješća, ali AMD za razliku od Intela nema pretjerano grandiozne najave, pa su i očekivanja realna uz konkretnu realizaciju najavljenih planova.

Intel je pak izgubljen u vlastitoj magli propagandnih poruka, dok voCtvo uz marketing lupa ko Maks po diviziji.

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AMD is set to announce its new series on August 29th. Just two weeks later on September 15th, AMD will lift the embargo on product sales.
  • AMD Ryzen 7000 Announcement – August 29th, 2022, 8:00PM ET
  • AMD Ryzen 7000 Reviews – September 13th, 2022, 9:00 AM ET
  • AMD Ryzen 7000 Launch – September 15th, 2022, 9:00 AM ET


:chears::frend:

Sn4k3 04.08.2022. 10:22

Mislim da nije bilo... Neki detalji vezani uz taktove i cache nadolazeće Ryzen 7000 serije procesora by WCCF tech...

Ryzen 9 7950X, Ryzen 9 7900X, Ryzen 7 7700X, Ryzen 5 7600X CPU Specs Leaked: Up To 16 Zen 4 Cores, 5.7 GHz Boost, 170W TDP

The Exiled 05.08.2022. 10:35

AMD Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs to Feature Improved Thermals/Heat Dissipation, Higher Boost Clocks of up to 5GHz:kafa:
Citiraj:

AMD plans on launching its Ryzen 7000 processors next month, followed by the 3D V-Cache-powered 7000X3D chips two months later. In addition to featuring multiple SKUs, we are poised to get higher boost clocks, better thermals, and a wider availability as production lines have been expanded and fine-tuned. The base packaging technology is still the same with the L3 cache die stacked upon the CCD but the interconnects will likely be improved. The Ryzen 7000X3D lineup will be composed of at least two or more models, each featuring a boost clock of 4.8GHz to 5GHz, 300-500MHz higher than the 5800X3D. One of them will likely rock a single L3 cache die while the other two, each atop a CCD.
Izvor: Hardware Times

Ag008 05.08.2022. 10:57

Hoće li izaći koji procesor za oko 1600kn, a da je bolji od Ryzena 5600X? Tj da ide na DDR4 matične?

stitrek 05.08.2022. 12:16

@Ag008

Govorilo se da ce mozda neki Zen 4 modeli izaci za AM4, znat ce se pri kraju godine.

The Exiled 12.08.2022. 09:14

Desktop CPU sales lowest in 30 Years, AMD gains market share anyway:frend:
Citiraj:

The decline in the PC market began as the pandemic receded and global economic turmoil and inflation mounted. AMD continues its streak of market share gains, reaching 20.6% of the unit share in the quarter. AMD set yet another market share record in the notebook market, an impressive feat given that it doesn't sell as many chips into the low-end segment as Intel. This marks yet another market share record for AMD in the mobile space. AMD continued its three-year streak of quarterly share gains and made the largest single quarterly gain as far back as our records go (2017). AMD gained in the server market for the 13th consecutive quarter, reaching 13.9% of the market. AMD set both shipment and revenue records in the quarter.
https://i.postimg.cc/zXwMxJDD/AMD.png

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

stitrek 12.08.2022. 09:28

@The Exiled

U segmentu gaminga, zadnjih 2-3 godine cpu postaje sve manje bitan faktor u usporedbi sa gpu, pogotovo u 1080p gamingu koji je najzastupljeniji.

Za vrijeme krize ljudi su "zadovoljni" sa kvalitetnim 1080p gamingom i potreba za nadogradnjom ima smisla tek kad se ekonomija oporavi, jer nadogradnja PC-a cesto zahtjeva i prelazak na noviji monitor (1440p ili 4k).

The Exiled 12.08.2022. 12:11

Kak god bilo, AMD uz ostalu konkurenciju i Intelove nedaće da izda išta od najavljenog, polako, ali sigurno stišće na svim tržišnim segmentima.

Tak da bude veselo, ako se Intel u neko dogledno vrijeme ne trzne iz ove zone sumraka u koju su upali.

Sn4k3 13.08.2022. 12:17

All the Juicy Details on AMD's Quirky Chipset Solutions for AM5! - by Angstronomics

Sn4k3 14.08.2022. 09:42

Ryzen 7950X, 7900X, 7700X and 7600X Zen4 processors listed by Canadian retailer

...paprene cijene, bar tako trenutno izgledaju :fiju:

The Exiled 14.08.2022. 12:29

Da, najveće odstupanje ima 7950X model koji je ~100$ skuplji od 5950X u vrijeme izlaska. Ostali su kakvih 30$ do 50$ skuplji u odnosu na Zen 3 varijante.

Jedino fali 7800X koji bi prema glasinama trebal biti 10C/20T, pa ako mu slože cijenu od npr. 550$, taman bude se uklopil s ostatkom Zen 4 ponude.:frend:

Posebice, ako inicijalnu Zen 4 ponudu izbace prema planu sredinom rujna i onda u studenom nastave s predstavljanjem Zen 4 3D cache modela.

Sn4k3 14.08.2022. 13:22

Citiraj:

Autor The Exiled (Post 3617095)
Da, najveće odstupanje ima 7950X model koji je ~100$ skuplji od 5950X u vrijeme izlaska. Ostali su kakvih 30$ do 50$ skuplji u odnosu na Zen 3 varijante.

Jedino fali 7800X koji bi prema glasinama trebal biti 10C/20T, pa ako mu slože cijenu od npr. 550$, taman bude se uklopil s ostatkom Zen 4 ponude.:frend:

Posebice, ako inicijalnu Zen 4 ponudu izbace prema planu sredinom rujna i onda u studenom nastave s predstavljanjem Zen 4 3D cache modela.

IMO, dvije su opcije u igri. Ili su te cijene samo placeholder za buduću korekciju jednom kad se proizvodi predstave ili je AMD dovoljno samouvjeren da neće imati pravu konkurenciju pri launchu pa puca na veće cijene znajući da će prodati svejedno... Vrijeme će uskoro pokazati :kafa:

Što se tiče 7800X, lako moguće da ponude 10-core s kojim bi popunili ponudu, a s druge strane moguće da ga čuvaju kao neku ekskluzivu s 3d cache-om. U tom slučaju 7700x bi bio ono što je za 5th gen bio 5800x... U svakom slučaju zanimljivo vrijeme :beer:

Disco 15.08.2022. 17:15

Ma po svemu će imati konkurenciju. Vruću i rastrošnu, ali realno em Intel ima baš jako dobro pokriven srednji i niži segment (i5 i i3) koji se u praksi nije pokazao rastrošnim, em ne znamo kakav će biti zen4 sa potrošnjom.

Netko je dobro rekao (ne sjećam se gdje sam čuo ili pročitao), AMD navodno želi što ranije izbaciti zen4 kako bi oteo potencijalne kupce Intelu. U slučaju bržih raptora (EDIT:LOL, omašio muški prije :D ), ide vj jako brzo 3DC model/i.

The Exiled 15.08.2022. 17:36

IMHO obzirom da bude Zen 4 i pripadajuća AM5 platforma kakvih mjesec do mjesec i pol dana u rukama recenzenata (koji zapravo već sad imaju sve potrebno), prije službenog predstavljanja, AMD je ovo itekak dobro isplaniral. Zen 4 svakak stiže prije Raptor Lakea, odnosno Alder Lake refresha, dok potencijalni Zen 4 3D cache modeli, onda dodatno stišću Intel, koji će se naći između dvije vatre. Kaj se potrošnje tiče, sumnjam da bude Zen 4 u rangu Raptor Lakeovih 300W+ ili 400W+. U sljedeća tri mjeseca AMD planira izbaciti Ryzen 7000 (+ 3D cache varijante), EYPC 7000 (+ 3D cache varijante) i Radeon RX 7000 modele, dok Intel ima zagarantirani jedino Raptor Lake u listopadu i možda ARC GPU do kraja godine, a Sapphire Rapids je opet i po ko zna koji put ponovno odgođen, dok će Meteor Lake biti još jedna varijacija na Alder/Raptor Lake temu, ali ovaj put u chiplet/tiles izdanju. Mada ko zna kaj sve Intel u međuvremenu još stigne najaviti i usput odgoditi.:kafa:

Sn4k3 15.08.2022. 17:58

Da, slažem se. Čisto sumnjam da će potrošnja zen4 biti usporediva s RL-om, iako povećana u odnosu na zen3. Mislim, kao i kolega Disco, da će samo low i mid range RL biti donekle usporediv sa Ryzen3 i Ryzen5 - kao što je i dosad bilo... Valjda neće i od njih napraviti pećnice :)

Dobra stvar je ta što će AMD imati na raspolaganju više waffera nego prošle generacije kad su morali dobar dio odvojiti za konzole. Stoga možda ponuda pa i cijena reflektira to, iako osobno mislim da će cijene biti generalno nešto skuplje, pogotovo u startu. Kasnije ako Intel zapapri s nižim cijenama moguće je svašta...

Mladenxy 15.08.2022. 18:23

Cijela platforma, procesor, ploča ram...svaka od tih komponenti će biti skupa za popizditi. Taman idu grafe dolje ali neš drugo mora gore :D

https://i.postimg.cc/hfKJST9q/Screenshot-4.png

srećom tu je trenutna serija po dobrim cijenama. Ovo je za gamere profesionalce :D

The Exiled 15.08.2022. 19:05

Ono kaj valja, to i košta, a i cijena nije problem, ako se ima novaca.:):D Tak je bar bilo od 2006. do 2017., makar DDR5 cijene su se koliko-toliko unormalile, pa nije sve tak crno.:chears:

Sn4k3 15.08.2022. 19:06

AMD Moves Ryzen 7000 “Zen 4” CPU Launch To 27th September, Same Day As Intel’s 13th Gen Raptor Lake Unveil

Pomiču launch iz razloga što ciljaju na količinu umjesto da samo budu prvi. Očito su samouvjereni dovoljno da im ne smeta neki tamo Intel i njihove basnoslovne najave :D

The Exiled 15.08.2022. 19:09

Ukoliko je istina, onda to rade namjerno (ko nekad Intel i nVidia) da sjebu Raptor Lake najavu, jer Zen 4 recenzije budu u to vrijeme već dva tjedna u opticaju.:frend:

Intel će onda taj dan samo najaviti Raptor Lake, dok se Ryzen 7000 pušta u prodaju diljem svijeta. Prokleti marketing.:):D

MegaSkot 17.08.2022. 01:31

Asus na opasnim drogama. :roller:

Disco 17.08.2022. 05:51

500-1500€ za ploču....još malo i stvarno će si samo odlikaši moć priuštit novi komp.

Mladenxy 17.08.2022. 06:44

MSI je jeftiniji

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-x670...2-x670e-carbon

https://i.postimg.cc/Hr69nmBd/Screenshot-5.png

piydek 17.08.2022. 06:57

Đizs, i ovo MSI-evo je jebeno skupo. Kad sam uzimao odmah na početku AM4 socketa, praktički prve tjedne high-endish ploču, bilo je jeftinije od najjeftinijih modela ovdje. A jeftinijih a odličnih ploča je isto bilo dosta. Rijetko slažem nove kompove - uglavnom cijedim ono što ispočetka nastojim uzeti kao pametnu dugoročnu kupnju, ali ne sjećam se da su ikada ovako ridikulozno skupe ploče bile. Stavi ti neku pimpin ploču za malu djecu sa svim điđama miđama i vodenim hlađenjem za 1k evra, ali daj i nešto normalne cijene, a kvalitetno...ovdje ne vidim ništa normalne cijene.

Taproot7 17.08.2022. 08:10

pohlepna govna tj proizvodaci maticnih ploca su se odlucili na ovakav potez kako se nebi ponovno nasli zateceni sa dugovjecnosti socketa kao sa am4 pa idu na kartu eto fino kupite plocu u 2022 i na njoj izmjenite hrpu generacija am5 procesora do 2027 bez da mjenjate plocu ali zato u startu pljunite €1000 i vise pa je imajte pet godina.

Gemmy 17.08.2022. 08:18

ja vise ne dajem previse love na precjenjene ploce

nakon zajeba s asus x370 CH6 da nece podrzavati 5600 i slicne, odlucio radije uzimati osrednju plocu i ostatak stavit za sljedecu nadogradnju (jest da je dobio podrsku kasnije samo radi amd-a)

Lewis 17.08.2022. 08:27

Kad se sjetim da sam do prije par godina DualXoen ploce placao 4000kn i kad vidim sad ovo mrak mi padne na oci. Cak i ova zadnja TR Pro WRX80 ploca koju sma kupio prosle godine je kostala "svega" 1050 EUR a kudikamo je veca i opremljenija nego ovo sto najavljuje Asus za 1500 EUR.


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