PC Ekspert Forum - Nadolazeći AMD socketi, ploče i procesori

Zajebavaš Mladene još otprije dvije-tri stranice.:chears: I otpočetka slažeš priču kak to nije za nove igre, pa jebote samo ti misliš to, nitko osim tebe nema taj dojam.

Isto tak, nitko sa GTX 1060 neće prijeći na RDNA 2 iGPU, niti je za takve zamišljeno, jer nemaju potrebe, ali glavno da se ti loviš za takve scenarije.

Sve ostali koji se žele nešto igrati, a ne daju 10.000 kn za ĐiTiEks pethiljada, mogu skužiti da RDNA 2 iGPU nudi nekog vraga.

Citiraj:

Autor The Exiled (Post 3573321)

Pričamo o nadolazećim RDNA 2 iGPU rješenjima koja će u svemu biti bolja od trenutnih Vega 8 iGPU modela. Neće se na tome vrtjeti nešto s čime RTX 3090 i RX 6900 XT muku muče, jer eto - mora biti sve do kraja na 4K.

Dan-danas sudeći po Steamu, 1080p je najpopularnija rezolucija, dok su GTX 1050 Ti, 1060 i 1650 najpopularnija GPU rješenja.

Obzirom da Vega 8 u 5700G može vrtjeti dosta toga, onda je sasvim jasno da će nova i bolja RDNA 2 iGPU APU rješenja moći pokrenuti sasvim pristojan broj sličica u sekudni.

Mladenxy

04.01.2022. 23:53

A jebiga rtx 1060 je bila srednja žalost prije šest godina, pa reko sad dolazi novi igpu koji će to potopiti, ha ha

stef	04.01.2022. 23:54

Vega 8 je već bila dovoljna za Fortnite i Rocket League u 720p. Tak da ak ovo dogura do 1080, puna šaka brade. RDR bu malo pričekao.

The Exiled

04.01.2022. 23:57

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Autor stef (Post 3574070)

Ne znam što intel pametno nudi do 25W, ali rekao bih ne puno.

Nemaju ništa konkretno, jedino i5-12450H (4P + 4E/12T), ali to je već 45W, tak da sve po starom kod Intela.:kafa:

Eventualno Core i5 i i3 U modeli sa 2P + 4E konfiguracijom i 29W, ali ko zna kak bude to ispalo u OEM izdanju.

MadBoY

05.01.2022. 19:42

Pitanje je hoće li doći na desktop ovi modeli koje su sad predstavili s RDNA2 iGPU. Jer za desktop bi navodno iGPU trebao biti unutar IO jezgre ali nema informacija za sad koliko će CU imati.

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Autor Odinarius (Post 3573955)

Jel se vama činilo da je ona Halo Infinite prezentacija za Zen 4 izgledala kao s konzola? Ono nije igrano s mišem :)

https://youtu.be/_jX-hKvUQDU?t=2405

Prikopčali gamepad pa igrali. Ali ono što je bitnije od tog je kad Lisa kaže "... and I can tell you that all of those Zen 4 cores are running at 5 GHz...". Eto ga, opet kreće 5 GHz hype, ovaj put all-core 5 GHz :D.

The Exiled

05.01.2022. 19:50

IMHO, mogu složiti desktop verziju Ryzen 6000 APU modela, po uzoru na dosadašnja (Ryzen 4000 i 5000) monolitna izdanja i to je to. Isti mobilni čip, samo prepakiran za AM4 desktop.

MadBoY

05.01.2022. 19:59

Vjerojatnije je da će to napraviti za AM5, zbog podrške za DDR5 od koje će iGPU dosta profitirati. Zanimljivo je da 6800U ima za 800 MHZ viši base clock u odnosu na 5800U. Ne vjerujem da je to došlo samo zbog prelaska na N6, već više zbog promjene u arhitekturi.

The Exiled

05.01.2022. 20:44

Mogli bi i tak, kad sve te LEGO kockice pašu kak god se okrene.:):D RDNA 2 iGPU bude svakak u AM5 Zen 4 pakiranju, ali nitko se ne bi bunil da slože npr. Ryzen 7 6800/6700G i Ryzen 5 6600G APU za AM4.:chears:

stef	05.01.2022. 21:04

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Autor MadBoY (Post 3574273)

Ovo je Hardware Unboxed išao provjeravati s AMD-om .... samo jedan core :D. Ali možda je svaki put drugi, pa se može reći da u nekom vremenu svi idu do 5.
Odgledao rezime preze, izgleda zbrzano ... ko da nisu naučili čitat s blesimetra.

Eladio

05.01.2022. 22:10

Ako je joypad dobar za gaming, dobar je onda i APU :D

HTPC gaming, imam jedan takav i sluzio je svrsi dok mali nije dobio svoj komp.. roblox, gtaV, spore, i among us i slicne igre rade i to je sve sto klinca interesira, radi ili ne .. :)

virty

06.01.2022. 11:44

Meni je 1060 dostatan za MMORPG igranje, ne minjam je dok god ne rikne.
Za ostalo imam PS5 i Switch :)

Blue Spirit

08.01.2022. 04:39

AMD Socket AM5 a "Long-lived Platform": CEO https://www.techpowerup.com/290648/a...d-platform-ceo

https://i.imgur.com/GXVxpFy.png

0:00 Intro
1:11 HDMI 2.1a
1:19 Sony quantum dot OLED TVs
1:39 New display technology (mini LED, micro LED, Neo QLED, and OLED EX)
1:55 Sony tv camera concept
2:05 Samsung TV NFT integration
2:15 Remote charges over radio waves
2:19 Samsung Tizen TV os update
2:48 LG 42-inch OLED TV
3:10 Intel Alder Lake CPU
3:48 AMD Ryzen 7000 desktop processor
3:59 AMD Ryzen 6000 laptop processor
4:10 Nvidia 3090 Ti, 3080 Ti, 3070 Ti
4:26 Nvidia G-Sync monitor update
4:39 Dell XPS 13 plus
4:57 Lenovo ThinkPad Z-series
5:18 Lenovo ThinkBook Plus Gen 3
5:31 ASUS 17-inch foldable OLED laptop
5:40 ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 and G15
5:52 Mercedes-Benz EQXX electric concept
6:15 Color-changing BMW iX Flow
6:36 Sony Vision S electric SUV
6:39 More car announcements
7:04 Electric Chevy Silverado
7:20 Electric Equinox and Blazer
7:29 BMW iX M60 SUV
7:55 Google CES announcements
8:47 Samsung Galaxy S21 FE
9:03 OnePlus 10 Pro spec announcement
9:27 Lightning round
11:18 Conclusion

MadBoY

08.01.2022. 14:17

Interview: AMD’s Dr. Lisa Su talks Ryzen 7000, AM5, RDNA 2, and more

Citiraj:

Paul Alcorn with Tom's Hardware: AMD committed to the AM4 platform, the AM4 socket for quite a long time. Can you guys give us any idea of how long you will stick with AM5?

Dr. Lisa Su: Well, we've been extremely pleased with how AM4 has evolved….we said we would keep that socket for a long time and we have. We continue to believe that it has been good for the community and frankly, it's been good for us as well. As we bring things along, it was time to do a socket transition for the new I/O in the new technology, but I think strategy-wise, it should be similar. I don't have an exact number of years but I would say that you should expect that AM5 will be a long-lived platform as AM4 has been. I think we're expecting AM4 to stay in the marketplace for quite some years and it will be sort of an overlapping type of thing.

Citiraj:

Jackie Thomas, TechRadar: In the past, AMD has always had a lot of really affordable products. But over the last couple of years, that's kind of stopped happening. Especially with Ryzen 5000, where we still don't have anything lower-end than the Ryzen 5 5600X that is a Zen 3. Is there any reason why that keeps happening, because that happened with the Ryzen 3000 series too?

David McAfee, AMD CVP of Product Management: What I would say first and foremost is that we do understand the broad market needs, and servicing each of those markets with the right product that has the right capability, and delivers the right experience is very, very important to us. And so when you're looking at a product like the Ryzen 5 5600X, imagine scaling that to lower price points with different capability; it may not satisfy the needs of what that that segment is really going after at the end of the day. And that's where we see some of our APU products, or in many cases, n-minus-one products stepping in and filling some of the more mainstream and value-oriented price points across the portfolio. I think that one of the things you've seen from us more and more on the notebook side is addressing some of those broader needs in the portfolio. And the use, even as we launched the 6000-series products this year, refreshing our 5000 series, U-series mobile parts to address a broader range of price points in the market, has been a strategy that we've used for a couple of years now. And leveraging those economies of scale and manufacturing learnings to stretch the price point coverage, and system price point coverage that we're able to deliver while still maintaining the quality of experience that we want to deliver to that end user has been the approach that we've used over the past couple of years to broaden the market coverage that we can deliver.

Dr. Lisa Su: But let me just say, though, Jackie, you're making a point that we've heard from the community. So, I hear you. And I think as we look at the product portfolio going forward, I think trying to fill out, let's call it some of the, you know, below 5600 lineup, is something that is on our minds. So your comment is well taken.

Čini mi se da za AM5 ne treba u skorije vrijeme očekivati neke pristupačne Zen 4 procesore. Možda ubace Zen 3+ APU modele da služe kao "low-end" modeli ali Zen 4 vjerojatno ne treba očekivati u modelima ispod $350.
Sad na Ryzen 3000 modele gledaju kao modele koji popunjavaju rupu ispod 250 eura kod Ryzen 5000 modela.

Odinarius

08.01.2022. 16:22

Nešto moraju napraviti jer 12400F im ubija sve ispod 300$.

stef	08.01.2022. 16:51

Ne znam što mogu tu ponuditi. Pa R5 3600 je skuplji od toga ;). Ne znam jel se taj proc još uvijek proizvodi, ali nekako bih si mislio da to žele počistiti s tržišta i da će cijena biti dobra.
Cjenovni ekvivalent je samo R5 4650G Pro, ali taj i tako nije smio biti za raju.

The Exiled

08.01.2022. 17:04

Mogu (duplo) sniziti cijenu za R5 5600X ili pustiti u prodaju običan R5 5600 i to je to, ali obzirom na situaciju (cijena platforme) s Alder Lakeom, baš im se i ne žuri.:)

Citiraj:

ASML’s factory fire may have hit output of key chip machines:kafa:

Citiraj:

ASML Holding NV said the fire at its Berlin plant affected part of the production area for some of its key machines and is working to determine how to minimize the potential impact on output. The Berlin site makes various parts for its advanced extreme ultraviolet lithography machines, needed to make cutting-edge chips that are faster, cheaper and more efficient. ASML has a de-facto monopoly producing EUV machines for companies like Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. and Samsung. We are still in the process of completing the recovery plan for this production area and determining how to minimize any potential impact for our EUV customers, both in our output plan and in our field service. Despite some disruption regarding components of deep ultraviolet, or DUV, lithography systems, ASML expects “to remediate this in such a way that it will not affect” DUV output and revenue plan, said the company.

Izvor: Bloomberg

stef	08.01.2022. 17:37

Razlika u cijeni ploča nije tako velika kao razlika u cijeni procesora, a vjerojatno će se još smanjivati s vremenom.

The Exiled

08.01.2022. 17:43

Da, ali nije ostvaren onaj očekivani Alder Lake efekt, tj. da AMD promptno sreže Zen 3 cijene. Sad su za Alder Lake popularnije DDR4 ploče, dok cijene grafičkih kartica cijelu kupnju novog CPU-a i dalje čine neprivlačnom.

Mladenxy

08.01.2022. 17:56

Cijene B660 ploča su nebulozne. Jedini cpu koji bi me rasprave radi zanimao je i5 12400F jer ne želim plaćati igpu, ne želim plaćati male jezgre i ne želim rastrošni cpu koji se teško hladi i grije ploču. I onda za tako dobar cpu po nekoj logici matična bi trebala koštati 700-800 kn, ali šipak.
Na kraju se više isplati uzeti početni rang Z690 ploča, skuplja je stotinjak kuna od B660
https://www.futura-it.hr/asrock-inte...63116/product/

samo opet meni bilo bi turbo glupo platiti ploču više nego cpu, tak da rasparave radi trenutna ponuda Intela i AMD-a je teže sranje. Intela zbog cijene ploča a AMD-a zbog cijene procesora. I kad se uzme u obzir koliko košta donja klasa RTX 360 ili RX 6600XT ode sve u kujac.
Baš dobro da se ne moram zamarati jer ne kupujem ništa :D

Starsylph

08.01.2022. 20:21

Pričekaj bar mjesec dana Gigabytove i Asrockove ploče. Oni su uvijek jeftiniji od Asusa gdje plačaš brand dodatno.

Čudi me to što je prije serija 460 i 560 uredno došla manje od 900kn. Sad je i cijena matične porasla zbog nedostupnosti i dobavka?

The Exiled

08.01.2022. 20:26

MSI B660 Mortar DDR4 model koji je korišten u dosta Core i5-12400(F) recenzija, kod nas košta ~1.700 kn, odnosno 1.000 kn previše i to je jedna od rijetkih solidnih ploča.

Ne znam kaj se mora dogoditi da cijena B660 ploča padne za duplo, ali kak je krenulo za to vrijeme budu već Intel Raptor Lake i AMD AM5 Zen 4 na tržištu.:)

Mladenxy

08.01.2022. 20:44

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Autor Starsylph (Post 3574983)

Pričekaj bar mjesec dana Gigabytove i Asrockove ploče. Oni su uvijek jeftiniji od Asusa gdje plačaš brand dodatno.

Čudi me to što je prije serija 460 i 560 uredno došla manje od 900kn. Sad je i cijena matične porasla zbog nedostupnosti i dobavka?

B360 i B460 sam plaćao ispod 700 kn. Vozio B360 sa i3 8100 i i5 9400f i tri godine u uredno ju prodao i dobio neku lovu, bar 50% nazad. kad tu sitnu amortizaciju podijeliš na tri godine ispadne da sam potrošio ko na žvake. Tak bum i trenutnu B460 nakon tri-četiri godine, možda i duže.

Danas te cijene djeluju smješno.

Dr. Strange

27.01.2022. 20:55

Crne vijesti za Intel: https://www.reuters.com/technology/c...nx-2022-01-27/

Disco

29.01.2022. 06:22

Problems TPM 2.0 and AMD - performance issues with both Windows 11 and 10?

How to fix AMD fTPM Stuttering on Windows 11

Eto odmah i riješenje za w11 beta testere. ;)

Dr. Strange

01.02.2022. 23:13

AMD gazi i ne staje, još kad se spoje sa Xilinxom to će im otvoriti novo tržište i hrpu dolara: https://wccftech.com/amd-blasts-off-...for-last-year/

Dr. Strange

03.02.2022. 11:29

Kako je netko rekao, ili priželjkivao, AMD je mrtav :lol2: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/mis...oded_in_2021/1

The Exiled

03.02.2022. 11:50

Nije loše za šrot firmu (1 - 2) na rubu bankrota.:):D

Citiraj:

AMD is reaching a level of profitability that’s nearly identical to Intel’s -- something that would have been inconceivable just a few years ago. Fourth-quarter sales and earnings also topped analysts’ predictions.

The company, which analysts once expected to run out of money, now has $3.6 billion of cash and only $313 million of debt.

:frend:

The Exiled

10.02.2022. 18:50

AMD hits record 25.6% share of the overall x86 market:frend:

Citiraj:

AMD continues to make gains in market share against Intel in the x86 processor market. According to a new report from Mercury Research, AMD in Q4 2021 enjoyed a 25.6 percent share of the overall market for CPUs built on the x86 architecture, the highest it’s seen since 2006. It’s also a 3.6 percent year-over-year increase, which isn’t bad considering the ongoing chip shortage. To put things in context, AMD has been gaining market share against Intel for 11 quarters in a row, especially when it comes to PC, console, and IoT x86 products. The only exception was in the area of desktop and laptop processors, where Intel managed to claw back some market share in the three months ending in December 2021. This was mostly thanks to Tiger Lake mobile parts and a combination of Rocket Lake and Comet Lake desktop products.

Izvor: Techspot

Citiraj:

AMD has recieved all required approvals for its Xilinx acquisition

Citiraj:

AMD has confirmed that they have recieved all required approvals for its Xilinx acquisition to go ahead, stating that the deal should be closed on February 14th 2022, neatly marrying the two companies on Valentine's day. Once their acquisition of Xilinx is concluded, AMD and Xilinx will have access to each other's IP, free cashflow and expertise. AMD's branding and customer relations should help Xilinx's products find more customers, and AMD will benefit in Xilinx's expertise in creasing cutting-edge accelerators and FPGAs. AMD will be able to access more market, and AMD will be able to compete with Intel in more areas. Together, AMD and Xilinx expects to cut their annual costs by $300 million per year once both companies are integrated, money which can be channelled into other areas to increase the efficiency of the now merged companies.

Izvor: OC3D

EDIT:

Citiraj:

AMD surpasses Intel's market cap for the first time ever:kafa:

Citiraj:

AMD’s fortunes have turned around since the launch of its first Zen architecture in 2017, though few would have expected it to hit this milestone in such a short amount of time: AMD now has a larger market cap than rival Intel for the first time ever. The sudden boost in AMD’s market cap came from its $49 billion all-stock takeover of Xilinx on Monday, 15 months after the move was announced. The change in the companies’ stock prices added 40% extra to the deal; it was worth $35 billion back when first AMD revealed its intentions. The acquisition is one of the largest in tech history, sitting behind Dell paying $67 billion for EMC in 2015 and Microsoft's recent purchase of Activision Blizzard for $68.7 billion. The increase in the number of shares saw AMD’s market cap jump to $197.75 billion, pushing it past Intel’s $197.24 billion by $51 million.

Izvor: TechSpot

The Exiled

03.03.2022. 14:18

Citiraj:

Universal Chiplet Interconnect Express (UCIe) Announced: AMD, ARM, Intel, TSMC and Samsung all support 'Chiplets' for future processor design:frend:

Citiraj:

If there has been one prominent, industry-wide trend in chip design over the past half-decade or so, it has been the growing use of chiplets. The tiny dies have become an increasingly common feature as chip makers look to them to address everything from chip manufacturing costs to the overall scalability of a design. In short, chiplets are no longer experimental designs that need to be proven, but instead have become proven designs that chip makers can rely on. And with that increasing reliance on chiplet technology comes the need for design roadmaps and stability – the need for design standards.

To that end, today Intel, AMD, Arm, and all three leading-edge foundries are coming together to announce that they are forming a new and open standard for chiplet interconnects, which is aptly being named Universal Chiplet Interconnect Express, or UCIe. Taking significant inspiration from the very successful PCI-Express playbook, with UCIe the involved firms are creating a standard for connecting chiplets, with the goal of having a single set of standards that not only simplify the process for all involved, but lead the way towards full interoperability between chiplets from different manufacturers, allowing chips to mix-and-match chiplets as chip makers see fit. In other words, to make a complete and compatible ecosystem out of chiplets, much like today’s ecosystem for PCIe-based expansion cards.

Citiraj:

Intel says AMD EPYC processors "glued-together" in official slide deck:):D

To be sure, monolithic chips as a whole aren’t going away entirely (moving data remains expensive), but the economics of chip design are inexorably driving the use of chiplets in more cases. Meanwhile there is also a push for performance and efficiency that is driving the ongoing interest in chiplets. That also means that existing interconnect protocols, such as AMD’s Infinity Fabric, aren’t likely to be going anywhere, even with the introduction of UCIe. Protocols like IF are still far more complex and specialized than what PCIe/CXL are capable of, which makes sense given the very specific coherency requirements for linking up CPU cores and I/O dies. Put another way, the very cutting edge of chiplet design remains ahead of where UCIe 1.0 is starting things off.

Izvor: AnandTech i HPCwire

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