PC Ekspert Forum - Nadolazeći AMD socketi, ploče i procesori

Znam, krenulo je s tim da kupuje novo u vrijeme kad nema ničega po normalnim cijenama, pa se raspituje, pa čeka, pa ovo, pa ono, a sad smo na socketima.:):D

Disco

13.07.2021. 10:24

Nemojte zaboravit i da čeka da zapravo Intel izbaci brže, bolje, hladnije i jeftinije.
Ali da. zatrolao ej po ciejlom forumu, i u grafama i u procovima.... :D

The Exiled

13.07.2021. 10:41

Možda Intel čak i najavi nešto vrijedno čekanja, ali do onda - ko živ, ko mrtav.:):D

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TSMC dossier: Technology contention among world-class leaders:kafa:

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Intel claims that TSMC's 7nm process is the equivalent of Intel's 10nm process. This may be true in terms of tech specs but Intel hasn't really outraced still TSMC. Samsung, on several occasions, announced they led TSMC in launching more advanced process technologies, but it failed to secure key customers. For the foundry sector, announcing more advanced process nodes ahead of competitors doesn't necessarily mean success. Production yield rates, partnerships with suppliers and co-development with customers nmnplay more important roles. At the 10nm node, TSMC achieves a silicon density of 53 million transistors per square millimeter while Samsung's transistor density arrives at 52 million. The two are neck and neck. But Intel's 10nm node features a density of 106 million transistors, even superior to the densities of 97 million transistors and 95 million transistors of TSMC's and Samsung's 7nm nodes respectively. But Intel hasn't won over customers with its front-running performance. The main issue is the yield rates for volume production and customer trust. Intel's 7nm technology puts up a high standard of 180 million transistors per square millimeter but it's only a benchmark for the high-tech sector but not commercially viable.

And TSMC seems to be pulling farther and farther ahead of Samsung in technology with its 5nm process achieving a density of 173 million transistors, which is comparable to the density of 180 million transistors Intel's 7nm process promises and beats the density of 170 million transistors Samsung's 3nm process boasts. TSMC was also the first to largely incorporate EUV equipment into its production lines. In fact, more than half of the EUV equipment produced worldwide is being used by TSMC to churn out more than 70% of the global chip production. TSMC not only enjoys a high profit margin but in practice, it has also gained lots of hands-on experiences in controlling and improving the issue of dust on EUV masks. This allows TSMC to secure a 55% share of the foundry market and generate more than 80% of the global foundry revenue.

https://i.postimg.cc/0ynJ1tNs/1.jpg

Izvor: DigiTimes

Odinarius

13.07.2021. 11:29

Izgleda prilično jednostavno kad se tako promatra, ali netko će posrnuti u toj utrci prije ili kasnije, bilo u proizvodnom procesu, bilo u arhitekturi... Pitanje je tko i kad :)

Nekako mi se čini da su tajvanske, pa i korejske firme otpornije na američki običaj da tijekom good times imenuju financijaše kao CEO i krenu u marketing i cost cutting umjesto tehnološki R&D, pa je i manja šansa da posustanu. Ali bilo je i suprotnih primjera, pa tko zna. Meni je sve to čisti triler, praćenje toga jedan skoro beskoristan hobi, ali i čista uživancija :)

The Exiled

13.07.2021. 11:48

Meni je fascinantno kak se Intel zajebal kad imal priliku uložiti u TSMC, da bi danas trebali njihovu pomoć u realizaciji svojih najava.

Kaj se pak same arhitekture i proizvodnog procesa tiče ...

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3523466)

Da, ali AMD od 2019. već ima funkcionalne 7nm proizvode na tržištu, a za to vrijeme kad Intel uopće krene sa svojim, AMD će već biti na 3nm.:)

I OK, svi znamo da su imena tih nm proizvodnih procesa samo marketinški nazivi, te su u ovom trenutnku mogu komotno zvati Branko i Slavko.

Jedini je zajeb da Branko (AMD) već godinama na terenu odrađuje posao, dok Slavko (Intel) tek mora poslati CV i temeljem kvalifikacija potencijalno biti pozvan na razgovor za posao.

... Intel se fino poskliznul na vlastitim riječima i obećanjima, dok su TSMC i Samsung (u Intelovim očima) kao manje vrijedni fino napredovali i na kraju prestigli Intel za par generacija.

Jasno, kad-tad bude sve skupa udarilo u zid, ali čini se TSMC i društvo za razliku od Intela ipak malo bolje planiraju svoj dio priče.:)

Disco

14.07.2021. 10:07

AMD Zen 4 desktop processes up-to 16 cores, 170 W TDP

Starsylph

14.07.2021. 12:17

the CPUs will migrate to a new LGA1718 AM5 socket due to that new memory and PCIe revision - in an effort to compete with Intel's 24-core Raptor Lake Successor, Alder Lake-S.

Znaći to će biti prvi AM5 model. Zen3+ jos uvijek AM4.

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Autor Dottore (Post 3531333)

@Exiled

Čovjek opako trola na svim temama. Već smo primjetili kakve postove postavlja pitanja. Zato trošiš vrijeme.

Ne trolam. Pa imam prijatelja koji ni ne zna sto je to socket.

The Exiled

14.07.2021. 16:18

Raphael with Zen 4 with 16 cores and 170W (Update):kafa:

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While the launch of the next generation at Intel is due this fall, it will still be some time before AMD launches the next generation of Ryzen. Nevertheless, there is now a new surge of possible information about the next processors, which will then be based on the Zen 4 architecture. What we already know from some leaks (or rather probably know, because they are still rumors) is that the codename of the desktop processors is Raphael. The individual Zen 4 cores are called Persephone and a CCD with eight of these cores is called Durango. Since the basic structure of the processors with one IOD and two CCDs should not change, one could also assume that AMD for the desktop again at 16 cores. Rumors also spoke of a variant with 24 cores, which would then require three CCDs (and also a modified IOD). However, two sources are now established: Raphael will be available with a maximum of 16 cores. However, this does not rule out the possibility that AMD will not increase the number of CCDs and thus the number of cores for a second Ryzen generation based on Zen 4.

The presence of an integrated graphics unit is also confirmed once again. This is apparently located in the IOD and is based on the RDNA-2 architecture. Patrick Schur, usually always very well informed with AMD hardware, also confirms the TDP of up to 170W and the production in 5nm. The IOD (CIOD3 - Consumer IOD of the third generation) should switch to production in 7nm. The TDP of up to 170W has already been hotly debated, but here we should wait and see what exactly is meant by it. Currently, AMD calls a maximum TDP of 105W for its Ryzen desktop processors. Via the PPT (Package Power Tracking), however, the actual power limit of the processors is specified and this is currently 142W which in practice also corresponds to the actual maximum consumption.

At the end of the year, AMD wants to have Ryzen processors with 3D V cache manufactured. These should then come on the market in the first quarter of 2022. Whether this is the Zen3+ refresh alias Warhol, or AMD will use the 3D V cache on Zen 3 CCDs here, is not known. Raphael alias Ryzen 7000 series will certainly wait until mid-2022. Patrick Schur goes one more way and names the TDP classes that will be used for Raphael. Accordingly, it starts at 65W and over 95W, 105W, 120W up to 170W. A Ryzen 5 5600X currently starts at 65W, all faster Ryzen models are guided with 105 W. According to AMD's definition, the processors do not consume more than 105 W. However, the PPT (Package Power Tracking) reaches up to 142 W. If the PPT factor of 1.35 remains based on the TDP, the processors with a TDP of 170W achieve a maximum power consumption of 230W.

Izvor: Hardwareluxx

The Exiled

28.07.2021. 10:26

AMD Reports Q2 2021 Earnings: Company-wide growth drives doubled revenue:frend:

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For the second quarter of 2021, AMD reported $3.85B in revenue, making for yet another massive jump over a year-ago quarter for AMD, when the company made just $1.93B in a then-record quarter. Now, half-way through 2021, AMD’s financial trajectory is all about setting (and beating) records for the company, as evidenced by the 99% leap in year-over-year revenue – falling just millions short of outright doubling their revenue. AMD’s big run-up in revenue is also reflected in the company’s other metrics; along with that revenue AMD’s net income has grown by 352% year-over-year, now reaching $710M. And if not for an unusual, one-off tax benefit for AMD’s Q4’2020, this would have been AMD’s most profitable quarter ever – and indeed is on a non-GAAP basis. Meanwhile, as you might expect from such high net income figures, AMD’s gross margin has risen even further and now sits at 48%, up 4 percentage points from the year-ago quarter and 2 points from last quarter.

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We remain on-track to launch next-generation products in 2022, including our Zen 4 processors built with industry-leading 5nm process technology and our RDNA 3 GPUs.

— AMD CEO, Dr. Lisa Su

Izvor: AnandTech

Starsylph

28.07.2021. 23:20

AMDu se nikamo se žuri. Intelu će ustupiti Alder lake i XE početkom godine, a Zen4 i RDNA3 će plasirati krajem sljedeće.

BusMaster

29.07.2021. 00:57

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Autor Starsylph (Post 3535147)

AMDu se nikamo se žuri. Intelu će ustupiti Alder lake i XE početkom godine, a Zen4 i RDNA3 će plasirati krajem sljedeće.

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Točno, nemaju toliki presing kao Intel, ali baba je najavila da ipak dolazi nekakav refresh 5000 serije, kakav.. bumo videli. Ipak je predugo vrijeme do launcha ZEN4, a glupo bi bilo da im Alder Lake preuzme vodstvo u PC segmentu, sad kad su u najvećem zamahu u povijesti firme.

Link: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...rdna-3-in-2022

Dr. Strange

29.07.2021. 16:54

Rasturaju: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/am...el-11627487890

Dr. Strange

29.07.2021. 17:27

Ma AMD propada kako to neki Intelovci kažu, zbilja im se ne vidi budućnost: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/xi...s-271627504461

The Exiled

29.07.2021. 18:16

Ode sve u Mp3:chears::goood::frend:

https://i.postimg.cc/PJfF9kmQ/AMD.png

Mladenxy

29.07.2021. 18:41

A mogli smo ih kupti (pametni jesu), dok su bile 2$.

Psycho

29.07.2021. 19:06

dovoljno je bilo i kad je bila 30$.. 3.5x svoju lovu. nije Lambo, ali covjeka veseli.

BusMaster

29.07.2021. 19:26

MSI Shows Off X570S ACE, CARBON & UNIFY Motherboards, Full Unveil On 17th August

https://wccftech.com/msi-unveils-meg...-motherboards/

BusMaster

30.07.2021. 21:50

ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Extreme Flagship AM4 Motherboard Unveiled – 20 Phase VRM For Extreme Ryzen Overclocking

Link: https://wccftech.com/asus-rog-crossh...-20-phase-vrm/

Uff, kakva pločetina za AM4, samo što vjerujem da će i cijena biti ekstremna..

Dr. Strange

30.07.2021. 23:20

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Autor BusMaster (Post 3535619)

Ja si uzeo VIII hero pa mi je teški overkill, šta ova nudi za prosječnog korisnika? :lol2:

Mladenxy

01.08.2021. 08:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqYBCNJUy5E
AMD's Most Efficient CPU: Ryzen 7 5800 Non-X Review, Benchmarks, & Power

Starsylph

02.08.2021. 15:40

Čudno mi je to što će Intel prvi dati na tržište Alder lake pošto je AMD plasirao Zen 3 5.Novembra 2020. Ja bih prvo da početkom 2022 izađe Zen 4 je ima manju potrošnju u odnosu na Alder lake i dugogodišnji socket AM5.

Kristijan1

02.08.2021. 17:26

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Autor Starsylph (Post 3536143)

Čitam tvoj post nekoliko puta i ne razumijem što si htio reći ?!

The Exiled

02.08.2021. 17:44

On sam ne zna.:):D Kaj se Alder Lakea tiče, Intel će novu generaciju službeno predstaviti 27.10., ali samo u high-end Z690 + DDR5 obliku, dok nova LGA-1700 platforma kao takva zapravo stiže u prvom kvartalu 2022.

Proizvođači matičnih ploča nisu htjeli posustati i implementirati Intelov ATX12VO standard uzduž i poprijeko za Alder Lake, obzirom da dodatno poskupljuje proizvodnju uz već ionako skupa PCI-E 5.0 rješenja.

Naposljetku kak god se okrene, Alder Lake će se naći između Zen 3 + 3D cache modela i (u drugom kvartalu 2022.) nadolazećih Zen 4 primjeraka.

lobo64

02.08.2021. 18:26

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Autor Kristijan1 (Post 3536171)

Čitam tvoj post nekoliko puta i ne razumijem što si htio reći ?!

Čovjek hoće punomlječnu svinju koja nese jaja, i to odmah...

Starsylph

02.08.2021. 21:32

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Autor Kristijan1 (Post 3536171)

Čitam tvoj post nekoliko puta i ne razumijem što si htio reći ?!

AM5 socket je dugoročno rješenje i budući da je 5nm arhitektura, manje će vući struju.

Ako Alder lake ispadne opet debakl, Zen4 bi bila odlična investicija.
Sa Alder lakeom se ne zna sto Intel kani dalje. Ne zna se hoće li Metor lake (7nm chiplet dizajn) u 2023 imati novi socket ili 1700.
Alder lake će samo neke skuplje platfome imati DDR5 i PCI 5. Zen4 će valjda imati sve na DDR5.

Ne znam kako da to objasnim. Gledam na to kao omjer uloženog, performansi, dugoročnosti i potrošnje.

Disco

08.08.2021. 07:08

Alder je krpanje rupa i gašenje požara...IMHO skip do slijedećeg Sandy/C2D čuda...ako ga bude, a vj bude.

The Exiled

08.08.2021. 12:45

Valjda budu nešto konkretno složili za 2023. kad su najavili Meteor Lake u svojem prvom pravom chiplet/tiles izdanju, pa onda 2025. kompletno nova arhitektura.

Mada gledajući nadolazeći 3D cache, čak se i takva "mala" promjena za postojeću Zen 3 arhitekturu čini Sci-Fi u odnosu na ovo kaj Intel radi.

sharyn

08.08.2021. 22:09

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3537209)

neka i jedni i drugi rade nešto samo da nam se ne ponovi stanje kao prije ryzena :D

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