PC Ekspert Forum - Nadolazeći AMD socketi, ploče i procesori

Baba Su je ono sto je Bozo Maljkovic bio Jugoplastici.
Dosla je u vrijeme kad je proizvod gotovo bio spreman jer je ekipa prije odradila posao kao sto je Radovic odradio u Jugoplastici.
Lakse ti je igrat kad dodjes u klub koji vec ima Kukoca,Rađu...tj Zen.
Genijalni manager sigurno je,ali dzaba bi bilo bez genijalnosti Kellera koji radio na Zen arhitekturi dok baba nije ni sanjala posao u AMDu.

Gotovo spreman proizvod? Žena je došla 2012. god. u AMD (isto kao i Keller) na važnu poziciju, a od 2014 je CEO. Tako da ne piši gluposti, kakav je ona to "usvirani stroj" zatekla 2012 god. molim te...

Izbacivali su APU sranja (cpu side) sve do 2016, a zen dolazi 2017. god.
2012. god. nije napravljen ni z od zena, tek je od tada počelo. Treba 5 god. da se napravi arhitektura od nule

Citiraj:

Dr. Lisa T. Su is AMD president and chief executive officer, a position she has held since October 2014, and serves on the AMD Board of Directors. Previously, from July 2014 to October 2014, she was chief operating officer responsible for integrating AMD’s business units, sales, global operations and infrastructure enablement teams into a single market-facing organization responsible for all aspects of product strategy and execution. Dr. Su joined AMD in January 2012 as senior vice president and general manager, global business units and was responsible for driving end-to-end business execution of AMD products and solutions.

Amd_Shill

17.11.2020. 16:08

Lisa je CEO od 2014.

Sn4k3

17.11.2020. 17:32

Citiraj:

Autor Amd_Shill (Post 3460729)

Lisa je CEO od 2014.

Tocno to i pise u tekstu kojeg je kolega Manuel quotao...:fiju:

Citiraj:

Dr. Lisa T. Su is AMD president and chief executive officer, a position she has held since October 2014, and serves on the AMD Board of Directors.

The Exiled

17.11.2020. 19:58

Intel claims 32-Core Ice Lake-SP Xeon CPU crushes 64-Core AMD EPYC in these specific workloads:kafa:

Citiraj:

At Intel Architecture Day 2020 we got more details about both Ice Lake Xeon and Sapphire Rapids. Intel is starting to discuss Sapphire Rapids more in its materials. As the roadmap stands, Ice Lake will be a shorter duration generation with a single chip in the Whitley platform. Sapphire Rapids has new extensions, new memory capabilities, and CXL/ PCIe Gen5. We discussed the 2021 Ice Pickle where Ice Lake is getting its time on the market compressed by Sapphire. Still, Intel has its Ice Lake generation coming out in 2021. Early launch activities have already started before the public release. We get parity with modern Arm and AMD platforms with eight-channel DDR4, new microarchitecture, PCIe Gen4. We checked the performance footnotes. Intel is comparing a pre-production 32 core Ice Lake Xeon to AMD EPYC 7742 64-core part and seeing 20-30% performance uplift. This is impressive, but given AVX512 it is what we may expect here.

Citiraj:

Of course, there are a few notes. First, the AMD EPYC 7742 is a 2019 part. AMD has been in volume production with the EPYC 7003 “Milan” series since September 2020 and has been shipping to major cloud providers.
These are not ES shipments, these are full volume production. We will get the marketing release for non-HPC/ cloud customers but:
- Milan is already out which makes this Intel comparing a pre-production 2021 part to a previous-generation AMD part
Intel is using Intel MKL in these benchmarks which does not have the best history of being vendor-neutral in its implementation. Milan will have higher TDPs just like Ice Lake.
Claiming a 20-30% performance uplift over older generation parts on HPC-specific workloads is not exactly a win given we have some sense of how Ice Lake will perform compared to EPYC in non-HPC workloads.
With a 18% uplift in IPC for SPECcpu2017 with Sunny Cove, we expect that for many of these non-HPC AVX-512 workloads Intel will need much higher performance to match AMD’s 64 core parts.

Izvor: HotHardware i ServeTheHome

Citiraj:

History of Intel vs. AMD desktop performance: Intel vs. AMD is a tortoise vs. hare race—but which company is which?

:chears::frend:

The Exiled

04.12.2020. 15:18

AMD rumored to be working on an Arm-based Apple M1 rival:kafa:

Citiraj:

The rumor comes from hardware via NotebookCheck. They write that AMD is working on two versions of the chip—one with integrated RAM and one without. The prototype is "almost ready," apparently. AMD has explored the possibility of an Arm-based chip in the past. Back in 2014, news broke that it was developing its own, custom 64-bit ARMv8 CPU core codenamed K12. And in 2016, it announced the K12 Core. The project was to be led by then AMD lead CPU architect Jim Keller, but the SoC was shelved. In May of this year, however, leaker Komachi Ensaka created an AMD roadmap that included a "K12 FFX" with a vague release date of between 2017 – 2022.

https://i.postimg.cc/j52dh7Vz/2020-12-04-image.png

Interestingly, AMD boss Lisa Su will present at CES on January 12, 2021. We can expect to hear about the Zen 3-based Ryzen 5000 mobile chips, codenamed Cezanne, as well as the Epyc "Milan" server lineup and possibly RDNA 2-based mobile GPUs. We'll have to wait and see whether K12 gets a mention. As with all rumors, take this one with a pinch of salt. But given AMD's history with the K12 Core, and how well-received the M1 Macs have proved, there might be more to it than mere speculation. With AMD chipping away at Intel's CPU dominance in the latest Steam survey, introducing an Arm-based SoC of its own could be a shrewd move.

Izvor: TechSpot

Manuel Calavera

05.12.2020. 15:46

AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX Flagship 8 Core Zen 3 Mobility CPU Spotted, Up To 4.60 GHz Clocks With Overclocking Support

MadBoY

05.12.2020. 19:59

Taiwan Semi's Growth Accelerates As AMD Gains Steam

Citiraj:

Based on the current growth trends, AMD is likely to surpass Apple in number of wafer starts in 2021 and become TSMC’s largest customer over time.

Despite this Apple’s growth, we expect AMD business to surpass Apple business at TSMC sometime in 2022!

In Q4 2020, AMD, for the first time, may become a 10% customer at TSMC – second only to Apple.

Manuel Calavera

13.12.2020. 14:49

AMD 3rd Gen EPYC Milan CPU Specs & Benchmarks Leak Out, Up To 64 Cores & 280W TDPs – 128 Core Milan Server Shatters All Hope Intel Had For Ice Lake

The Exiled

16.12.2020. 14:40

Ampere Altra performance shows it can compete with - or even outperform - AMD EPYC & Intel Xeon:kafa::frend:

Citiraj:

While the talk in recent weeks has been about the performance of Apple's M1 ARM chip and then rumors there might be a 32 core chip in the pipe, there is already something much stronger: Ampere Altra has begun shipping and its flagship 80-core SoC with up to two sockets per server can easily take on the AMD EPYC 7742 "Rome" and Intel Xeon Platinum 8280 "Cascade Lake" performance across a variety of workloads. Here is our initial look at the Ampere Altra performance on Linux in our independent performance benchmarks. Ampere Altra's (Quicksilver) cores are based on Arm's Neoverse N1 with modifications and fabricated on TSMC's N7 process. Also significant with Ampere Altra is eight channels of DDR4-3200 memory support and capable of addressing 4TB of memory per socket. On the connectivity front, Ampere Altra supports 128 PCI Express Gen4 lanes for 1P configurations and 192 PCIe 4.0 lanes for 2P configurations. Ampere Altra can also support up to four CCIX accelerators. The Ampere Altra SKU we have been testing is the Q80-33 that offers 80 cores with a 3.3GHz max clock frequency and is rated for a 250 Watt TDP.

Citiraj:

So while Apple's M1 has done a good job for showing the ARM desktop performance potential, Ampere Altra's Q80 series shows what the performance can be like at the top-end for ARM within server and cloud deployments now actually providing serious competition against the current generation Intel Xeon and AMD EPYC servers. Looking ahead, Intel Ice Lake Xeon and AMD EPYC Milan are both expected next quarter. In fighting that Ampere already has their announced 128-core Ampere Altra Max (Mystique) processor that will retain socket compatibility with Ampere Altra and will be in production later in 2021. Given what we have seen with Ampere Altra, it will be very interesting to see how much of a performance leap they can achieve going forward with Mystique.

Izvor: Phoronix

OuttaControl

16.12.2020. 15:04

Jesam li ja dobro shvatio da 2 X Ampere Altra sa po 250W svaki mogu konkrirati jednom EPYCu il Xeon-u

Mislim drago mi je da ima konkurencije, jos da dođu u consumer svijet ali, više mi se čini ko hype ako je tako kako sam ja razumio

The Exiled

16.12.2020. 15:09

Sve konfiguracije imaju dual-socket, 2x ARM vs. 2x EPYC i 2x Xeon. I ARM troši u prosjeku 100W manje od AMD-a koji pak troši manje od Intela, a performanse nisu ništa lošije.

Možda ne budu tak brzo kod nas doma u desktop izdanju, ali mobilna i server rješenja su itekak zastupljena.:)

Libertus

16.12.2020. 15:19

Drago mi je da se ARM probija tako. Apple za desktop, ovi za servere. Možda će natjerati sve da budu bolji i jeftiniji.

The Exiled

16.12.2020. 15:35

Apple je dobar u ovom slučaju, jer su preveliki da ih se zanemari i odmahne rukom, pa bude na taj način puno standardnih aplikacija prebačno na ARM. Microsoft je već krenul sa svojim paketima.

ARM je pak s druge strane odličan, jer su popularne Linux distribucije već fino podržane, a nakon AMD-a, ovo bude Intelu još dodatan udarac u segmentima koji zasad generiraju najviše novaca.:)

BusMaster

16.12.2020. 18:57

AMD Ryzen 7 5800H 8 Core Zen 3 CPU Benchmark Leaks Out, Up To 35% Faster Than Ryzen 7 4800H In Single-Threaded & 15% Faster in Multi-Threaded Tests

Link: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-580...ryzen-7-4800h/

Disco

17.12.2020. 07:08

Evo i tu, nekako je više za ovu temu:

TSMC Ends Its Volume Discounts For the Biggest Customers, Could Drive Product Prices Up

The Exiled

17.12.2020. 14:47

Citiraj:

Intel's manufacturing outlook for the future doesn't inspire confidence in successful competition:kafa:

Citiraj:

10 nm in "full production" and "shipping for revenue" since late 2018. Charlie still doesn't think it's viable. Much more real than it once was though, but not good enough.
Superfin is unquestionably far better than base 10 nm. Better in just about every way. Yields are better, but still on the low side.
Not enough 10 nm capacity to handle the entire product stack yet. Charlie doesn't like Rocket Lake, considers the backport "painfully stupid". Will be huge and a power hog.
14 nm shortage caused by the fact that Intel had to bloat up die sizes.
Ice Lake delayed again due to a bug, but this is a good thing. Looking like it'll come mid-late Q2 to early Q3 (although Charlie originally said March + 1.5-2 month delay?).
Performance looks pretty poor. Akin to CL-SP actually - performance per socket remains the same but power rises. Core count for shipping parts dropped from 38 -> 36.
Ice Lake is disappointing. Sapphire Rapids is way better. Comes in Q2 22.
Once SPR fully rolls out and is fully sorted out it'll actually be pretty solid.
If both companies iterate perfectly on their roadmaps as planned (much easier on AMD's side right now), Intel can not catch up to AMD until late 2024 or early 2025.
AMD's biggest problem? Unsurprisingly - capacity.
7nm is significantly more delayed than the 6-12 months first claimed. PVC is in-hands basically now and it was the first 7nm product. Now it's on TSMC. Sometime December this year anyway.
Intel may not know how much of a delay we're looking at with 7.
Doesn't think Intel could sell fabs. Too many things problems
involved. Fabs would need to be evaluated for the buyers needs etc etc.
Intel are going to out-source CPUs, but what and where is still being debated internally. Decision will be made in Q1 between SS and TSMC for different products. Nothing is set in stone yet.
Intel are looking for a new CEO. There are multiple candidates, one has been shot down, 3 potential left. They are hoping to make the decision in Q1, probably after the Jan call. Does seem like Bob's going either way.
Question: Will Intel do anything else with the backported core? A: I hope not.
Intel won't outsource everything to TSMC because TSMC doesn't have the capacity. Intel grabbing capacity shouldn't take capacity away from AMD - TSMC should prioritise customers with long-term plans to stay with them.
There is a 10 nm desktop product coming (Alder Lake-S) but Charlie doubts there will be much capacity for it due to it being needed elsewhere.

Izvor: TechPowerUp i Notebookcheck

Šou samo takav.:stoopid:

BusMaster

19.12.2020. 15:41

AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX Flagship 8 Core Cezanne-H Zen 3 CPU Leaks Out, Benchmarks Show Faster Performance Than A Desktop Core i7-10700K & Ryzen 7
3800X

Link: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-590...arks-leak-out/

The Exiled

06.01.2021. 16:24

Jim Keller Becomes CTO at Tenstorrent: "The Most Promising Architecture Out There":kafa:

Citiraj:

Today Tenstorrent reached out to inform us that Jim Keller has taken the position of President and Chief Technology Officer of the company, as well as being a member of its Board of Directors. Jim's role, based on his previous expertise, would appear to be in the design of future products for the company as well as building on the team at Tenstorrent to succeed in that goal. Tenstorrent is a pure-play fab-less AI chip design and software company, which means that they create and design silicon for machine learning, then use a foundry to make the hardware, then work with partners to create solutions (as in, chips + system + software + optimizations for that customer).

https://i.postimg.cc/qqCc4FBN/Jim-Keller.png

For those that know this space, this makes the company sound like any of the other 50 companies out in the market that seem to be doing the same thing. The typical split with pure-play fabless AI chip design companies is whether they are focused on training or inference: Tenstorrent does both, and is already in the process of finalizing its third generation processor. So where exactly does Keller fit in if the current generation is already selling, and the next generation is almost ready to go? In speaking to the CEO, I confirmed that Keller ‘will be building new and interesting stuff with us’. This seems to suggest that the vision with Keller’s involvement is going to be on 2022/2023 hardware in mind, following Tenstorrent’s overriding Software 2.0 strategy that the hardware, compiler, and run-time offer a full-stack approach to sparse (and dense) AI matrix calculations.

Izvor: AnandTech

Manuel Calavera

09.01.2021. 13:29

Odličan video o tome zašto AMD još nije stavio HBM odnosno ddr5 uz APU radi rješavanja bandwidtha klik

Realni argmenti, ništa od toga još nekoliko godina nažalost, odnosno kad bude trebalo cijelom line-upu za velike dobitke. Ovako ispada da bi pomoglo samo flagship apu i ne toliko koliko bi mislili, uz veći postotak troškova od postotka dobitka u performansama

BusMaster

09.01.2021. 17:24

AMD Ryzen 7 5700G / 5750G 8 Core Cezanne Zen 3 Desktop APU Pictured & Benchmarked, On Par With Vermeer Ryzen 5000 8 Core CPUs

Link: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-570...0-8-core-cpus/

The Exiled

12.01.2021. 12:36

Citiraj:

AMD CES 2021 Keynote

AMD President and CEO Dr. Lisa Su will keynote during CES 2021, presenting the AMD vision for the future of research, education, work, entertainment and gaming, including a portfolio of high-performance computing and graphics solutions.

Citiraj:

Tuesday, January 12 | 5:00 PM - 6:00 PM CET Duration 60 minutes

https://i.postimg.cc/HL7hR7LN/AMD-Ry...te-Lisa-Su.jpg

EDIT:

AnandTech Live Blog + AMD at CES 2021 YouTube Stream

Baba žešće trolla Intel s ovim plavim nijansama.:):D

Exomaniac

12.01.2021. 15:38

Hahahaha. Blue team vs Red team, AMD sam protiv sebe :chears:

Mladenxy

12.01.2021. 16:27

ja prvo pomislio na ray tracing kada sam vidio sliku :D

The Exiled

12.01.2021. 18:34

AMD Launches Ryzen 5000 Mobile: Zen 3 and Cezanne for Notebooks:kafa:

Citiraj:

Samsung confirms AMD RDNA GPU in next Exynos flagship

Citiraj:

Today during the Exynos 2100 launch event, Samsung's Dr. Inyup Kang, VP and GM of the System LSI division, confirmed that their partnership with AMD on integrating a next-generation RDNA based GPU will be coming to fruition with the next generation flagship Exynos design. Today’s confirmation from Samsung looks to be confirmation that the design-in has been successful, and the next flagship SoC following the Exynos 2100 will be featuring the new GPU. A safe bet for the timing of such a design would be end of 2021 with devices likely in the first few months of 2022 – targeting the Galaxy S22 generation of phones.

Izvor: AnandTech

Disco

13.01.2021. 07:51

Napravio je graf koliko su o čemu pričali.
:roller::roller::roller:
:care::care::care::care:

The Exiled

13.01.2021. 10:16

Dobar je Heavy Metal Steve, ali se isto tak malo i pravi bedast, pa kao ne zna kak to funkcionira. Primjera radi, Švabi su uredno imali pristup istim informacijama i imaju zaseban članak za OEM 5900 i 5800 modele.

Makar na stranu sve to da on nije mogel naći informacije niti zna nekoga ko je, dosad smo uvijek na Computexu imali predstavljanje novih serija sa svim detaljima, dok su događanja prije toga poslužila za uvod.:)

Disco

13.01.2021. 10:28

Ma super mu je video, samo što je tako sa svima, i sa Apple, Sony...ma svi se ogromnu količinu vremena trajanja prezentacije busaju sa rezultatima prodaje i sličnim glupostima.
A predstavljane traje 5 sekundi. :D

Ovaj mi je po kvaliteti zajebancije odmah poslje onog uvoda u video o tome kako se nanosi termalna pasta, taj mi je top. :D

The Exiled

13.01.2021. 14:48

Citiraj:

AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su: Interview on 2021 Demand, Supply, Tariffs, Xilinx, and EPYC

Citiraj:

There will be more core counts in the future – I would not say those are the limits! It will come as we scale the rest of the system. Mark, Mike, and the teams have done a phenomenal job. We are as good as we are with the product today, but with our ambitious roadmaps, we are focusing on Zen 4 and Zen 5 to be extremely competitive. Also on GPUs, David Wang and the team focus on our long term roadmaps, and we pick the right mix of risk to get innovation, performance, and predictability. Bets are made, and we track the progress. We’re happy with RDNA2 on performance per watt, and overall performance, and we have a lot of focus on RDNA3. On elements such as AI specific integration, we are making investments. CDNA launched in November, and you will see us adding more AI capability to our CPUs and GPUs.

Izvor: AnandTech

Baba se ne zajebava.:)

Manuel Calavera

13.01.2021. 14:55

Glasine su odavnina bile da za zen4 dolazi core/thread bump. Ako dolazi do bumpa logično je i da flagship ima više od 16c32t. Možda 24c48t ako se ide na 3 core chipleta, a chiplet po 8c16t. Mislim da će na 5nm bez problema stati dodatni čiplet čak i ovakve veličine socketa. No tko zna, možda malo povećaju socket za AM5 (ne sad baš kao za threadrippere)

Odinarius

13.01.2021. 14:59

Samo me zanima kako stoje s DDR5 i da li dolazi sa Zenom 4, jer zbog toga odugovlačim nadogradnju konfe.

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