Zaboravljas da AMD ima svoje fanove koji ce cekati te procesore, pa makar i do kraja 2011 godine. Ako Intel bude imao veliku cijenu na tim procesorima, a AMD manju, ljudi ce onda cekat nove Bulldozer procesore bez obzira sto ce Intel brisat pod sa AMD-om sto se tice performansi. Takvo je barem moje misljenje.

Nek samo onda čekaju. Intel bude imal dvije nove generacije procesora, a AMD još ne bude u stanju ponuditi ni 32nm modele? Super. Osim toga, već su počele iskakati cijene za nadolazeće Sandy Bridge procesore - quad-core Core i5 procesor druge generacije s potpuno otključanim množiteljom i DirectX 10.1 IGP-om za £170.:) Ne znam kolko bi neko trebal biti obožavatelj AMD-a, pa da čeka skoro godinu dana i usput mirno gleda kak Intel nudi nove procesore po sasvim prihvaljivim cijenama. Velim, AMD bi trebal biti žešće nesposoban da im nakon svih ovih demonstracija (kaj gotovih procesora, kaj pripremljenih wafera), treba do sljedeće jeseni, pa da oni ponude ono kaj bude Intel ponudil za koja dva-tri mjeseca.

Tolko o tome da bude AMD-u trebalo skoro godinu dana da na tržište plasira Bulldozer arhitekturu.
Izvor: X-Bit Labs

Nije loše za jedan dan; AMD demonstrira procesore bazirane na Bulldozer i Bobcat arhitekturi, te usput najavi planove za budućnost, a nVidia službeno predstavi GTX 580 karticu.:)

AMD-ovi planovi za desktop i mobilno tržište 2012.
 

At its financial analysts day on Tuesday Advanced Micro Devices released additional details about its future products for client personal computers. Apparently, in 2012 there will be no mainstream or entry-level central processing units (CPUs) without integrated graphics as AMD will address all the markets, except the high-end desktop, with its Fusion accelerated processing units (APUs). The most powerful microprocessor for desktops that AMD will offer in 2012 will be code-named Komodo and which will have eight cores powered by improved Bulldozer micro-architecture. It is noteworthy that the server brother of Komodo - the code-named Sepang chip - will have up to ten cores, whereas traditionally AMD's most powerful desktop chips offered similar features as server chips.

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For performance-mainstream, mainstream and entry-level desktops and laptops AMD plans to introduce Trinity family of APUs, which will have two or four next-generation Bulldozer x86 cores as well as DirectX 11-capable integrated graphics engine. AMD's Trinity family made using 32nm SOI fabrication process will likely be the company's biggest line in terms of volume. For low-power desktops, ultra-thin notebooks, netbooks and other low-power devices the Sunnyvale, California-based AMD intends to offer Krishna and Wichita APUs powered by one to four enhanced Bobcat cores as well as DirectX 11-compliant graphics core. Advanced Micro Devices plans to utlize a bulk 28nm manufacturing process to build its next-generation low-power APUs. Unfortunately, at present it is unknown whether the company plans to use TSMC's or Globalfoundries' 28nm fabrcation process.

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AMD Codename Decoder - značenja svih kodnih imena za nadolazeće proizvode

Izvor: X-Bit Labs i XtremeSystems

Hvala na odgovoru. :respekt:

Argh damn, nece ipak u smartphone segment, bas me zanima potrosnja kada udare konacno 28nm proizvodni proces...

Sudeći po svemu ovom kaj su predstavili proteklih dana, AMD je na dobrom putu da sljedeće godine (32nm procesori i 28nm kartice), napokon krene s novim listom.:)
Polako, ali sigurno se rješavaju svih problema i izlaze iz financijske krize i dugova u koje su upali kupnjom ATi-a.
Ostaje samo da vidimo kaj sve su u stanju pripremiti i plasirati na tržište - ideja im ne nedostaje.

Evo Brazos - Zacateovih (koliko vidim uparena dva Bobcata) brojki:

• AnandTech
• Tech Report
• PC Perspective
• Hot Hardware
• Legit Reviews

To sve stoji, samo stvar je u tome da npr meni uopće ne trebaju procesori intelove kvalitete. Sve što ja radim na kompu, su igrice internet i printanje. A za sve to, po meni većini ljudi ne treba intel. Intel je više za ljude koji imaju žešće poslove, i kojima stvarno trebaju tako jaki procesori. A za kućne korisnike, po meni AMD je idealan. Nit je preskup, nit previše zaostaje u performansama. I meni nije nikakav bad, biti svijestan da netko ima proc 20-30 posto jači od mog. Jer za ono što meni služi komp, meni je i više nego dovoljan bilo koji iz amd konkurencije a uz put rečeno i na svakoj kupnji novog proca i matične se osjetno uštedi. Normalno da netko tko razmišlja o parama, rađe kupuje amd, nego netko tko razmišlja o performansama taj sigurno kupuje intel. Al cijene intela su prenapuhane, osjetno više naplaćuju svoj rad nego amd i zato ih ne volim. AMD se trudi ugodit širokom broju kupaca, a ne samo onim iz high end grupe. To je samo moj stav, al oko kvalitete procesora je sve jasno intel je osjetno isprijed trenutno iako sve se to može lako okrenut u korist AMD-a. Samo stvar je u tome, da intel ima puno više love i da će AMD-u trebat vremena da to napravi. Al mene stvarno nije briga za intel, jer kažem nisam ljubitelj intela, AMD mi je baš po mjeri, i sigurno ću si kupit jedan od bulldozer procesora iduće godine. Znam da će cijena bit pristojna, i sigurno će me zadovoljit u performansama, a to što će intel imat opet neku zvijerčinu tipa 980x to me niti malo ne jebe. Jer intel svoju kvalitetu i trud, MASNO naplati! :chears:

ps.normalno teško je bit objektivan do kraja, kad me-i srce v-tuče k amd-u! :goood:

Bulldozer i Llano roadmap
 

AMD's next-generation PC processor architecture that seeks to challenge the best Intel has, codenamed "Bulldozer", is set to make its desktop PC debut in 2Q next year, with a desktop processor die codenamed "Zambezi". AMD is seeking to target all market segments, including an enthusiast-grade 8-core segment, a performance 6-core segment, and a mainstream 4-core segment. The roadmap reveals that Zambezi will make its entry with the enthusiast-grade 8-core models first, starting with 125W and 95W models, trailed by 6-core and 4-core ones.

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Another couple of architectural details revealed is that Zambezi's integrated memory controller (IMC) supports DDR3-1866 MHz as its standard memory type, just like Deneb supports DDR3-1333 MHz as its standard. DDR3-1866 MHz, or PC3-14900 as it's technically known, will churn out 29.8 GB/s in dual-channel mode, that's higher than triple-channel DDR3-1066 MHz (25.6 GB/s), which is Intel Core i7 LGA1366 processors' official memory standard. The 8-core and 6-core Zambezi models feature 8 MB of L3 cache, while the 4-core ones feature 4 MB. Another tidbit you probably already knew is that existing socket AM3 processors are forwards-compatible with AM3+ (Zambezi's socket), but Zambezi processors won't work on older AM3/AM2(+) socket motherboards.

Izvor: techPowerUp

Zanimljivo, a ja bas mislio uzeti neku AM3 plocu sa 890FX chipsetom i 3*16xPCIE, mislio raditi neke gluparije s grafickama, ali smirit cu se :)

Mogući radni taktovi i ostale detaljne specifikacije Bulldozer procesora
 

At the International Solid-State Circuits Conference (ISSCC) 2011 Advanced Micro Devices plans to reveal additional details about its code-named Bulldozer micro-architecture as well as implementations of forthcoming microprocessors on its base. Apparently, AMD's next-gen chips will be capable of working at over 3.50GHz, which is a quite high-speed, considering the fact that the central processing units (CPUs) will have up to eight cores. During an ISSCC session on the 21st of February, AMD will describe its dual-core processor module of eight-core Bulldozer microprocessor, according to the agenda on the web-site of the conference. During another session on the 22nd of February the company will describe implementation of its 8MB unified level-three cache of Bulldozer microprocessors. The presentations will be dedicated to ways of reducing die size, power consumption as well as improvements of yields. The description of the sessions shed more light onto the characteristics of AMD's implementation of Bulldozer micro-architecture on 32nm silicon-on-insulator process technology, which is known as code-named Orochi design (Zambezi is desktop version, Valencia is server version).

Each Bulldozer dual-core CPU module with 2MB unified L2 cache contains 213 million transistors and is 30.9mm2 large. By contrast, die size of one processing engine of Llano processor (11-layer 32nm SOI, K10.5+ micro-architecture) is 9.69mm² (without L2 cache), which indicates that AMD has succeeded in minimizing elements of its new micro-architecture so to maintain small size and production cost of the novelty. Bulldozer processor modules are designed to operate from 0.8V to 1.3V voltages at 3.50GHz+ clock-speed. It is unclear whether 3.50GHz is average clock-speed of the forthcoming Orochi processors or they will manage to work at significantly higher frequencies. Interestingly, but the level-three cache of Bulldozer may work at a clock-speed that is lower compared to the frequencies of CPU modules.

The Bulldozer's 8MB L3 cache is composed of four independent 2MB sub-caches and features column-select aliasing to improve area efficiency, supply gating and floating bit lines to reduce leakage power, and centralized redundant row and column blocks to improve yield and testability. The cache operates above 2.40GHz at 1.1V. Potentially, this may be an indicator that Orochi will work asynchronously. While presentations from ISSCC do not reveal precise peculiarities of future microprocessors, they give indicators which may reveal certain general qualities. For example, according to an ISSCC 2010 paper claims that the target CPU clock-speed of Llano, which is made using the same fabrication process as Orochi, is "higher than 3.0GHz". Indirectly this points to high-frequency/scaling design of Bulldozer.

Izvor: X-Bit Labs

Xbit labs uslikao prvu Zacate ITX ploču: GA-E350V-USB3

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Više informacija na X-bit Labs.

AMD-ovi planovi i strategije za Fusion proizvode
 

Usput su se raspričali o Fusion proizvodima i kud sve to vodi.:)

AMD Zacate mini-ITX Motherboards Preview
Više na: Bit-Tech

Interesantna mi je MSI ploča, baš me zanima kad i po kojoj cijeni bude to kod nas išlo. :)

Hm, a meni je puno privlačnija ona Asusica. Ima sve potrebno za ozbiljnu HTPC mašinu, što ni jedna druga ovdje prikazana nema. Jedino što će joj cijena biti paprena, ali predpostavljam da na bilo koju od ostalih ploča nakačiš eksterne wifi, bt i ostale adaptere bi dobio cijenu vrlo blizu onoj po kojoj će Asusica ići. Kad će kakva recenzija kod nas?? Poglavito me zanima kakve su gaming mogućnosti jednog takvog sistema, obzirom da neki poput mene baš i ne igraju neke nove naslove, nemaju 100 inča monitor već dobri stari 19 4:3, i ne pate za detaljima, pa da prodam ovo što imam i uzmem si nešto što troši ko upaljač a opet posluži za sve što mi treba.

hehe, cooler i heatsink me podjseća na prve serije Celerona. ah, nostalgije. :) asus mi izgleda odvratno, overkill kao i inače.

Jedna zanimljivost što se tiče Llano APUa. Naime nadolazeće AMD kartice: Turks i Caicos će imati 480sp i 160sp i biti će VLIW5... slučajno ili ne ?
Naime Beavercreek grafika u Llano X3/X4 također ima 480sp-ova. Ostaje samo da se vidi koliko sp-ova ima Winterpark ugrađen u Llano X2 ... s obzirom da će Caicos imati 160sp-ova. Znači, ukupno 960sp-ova u nekom CrossFireX-u ... dosta potentna budget gaming platforma.

Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II
 

Izvor: techPowerUp

ASRock E350M1 Mini-ITX Motherboard
 

Slije i ostalo na: Techpowerup - ASRock Unveils E350M1 AMD Fusion ''Brazos'' Mini-ITX Motherboard

U Mikrolajnu mi vele da očekuju E350 ploče u prodaji krajem mjeseca.:)

The Brazos Review: AMD's E-350 Supplants ION for mini-ITX

Evo recenzije Brazos platforme u usporedbi sa Atomom i Ion kombinacijom. Mislim da je očiti pobjednik u tom segmentu. Jedino ga Via Nano X2 pere, ali teško da će se Nano naći na našem tržištu.

Evo i prve Zacate ploče kod nas: Asrock E350M1.

ASRock 890FX Deluxe 5 - Supports AM3+ Processor, 8-Core CPU Ready

Ja sam planirao uzet Phenom II 955 i 890 GX3, a onda kad sam skuzio da Bulldozeri dolaze brzo sam odlucio pricekat kad nude dost velik napredak.

Tak da ASRock s objavom ove ploce me obradovao, cisto da vidim kak ce to zgledat, al eto zaletili se pa povukli to, al srecom CeBIT je za 2 tjedna pa cemo dobit dosta informacija uskoro. :goood:

nadolazeće Bulldozer procesore bi trebalo uspoređivati sa direktnom konkurencijom, a to su Intelovi i5/i7-2xxx procesori. Thubani su "stara" serija AMDa i ne vidim ih uopće u istoj klasi sa Bulldozerom.

ne znači da po izlasku Bulldozera jedan 1090T neće postati best bang for buck procesor, ali ukoliko će cijena jednog BD-a biti oko 2500 kn koliko trenutno dođe i7-2600K onda nema govora o "paprenoj" cijeni.

Pa poznavajuci dosadasnju politiku AMD-a, prvo ce izaci bulldozeri za servere (kao sto su i opteroni izasli prije athlona 64), pa tek onda za desktop trziste.

To je samo pretpostavka...

Neće, prvo izlaze Bulldozeri za desktope, za servere u Q3. "Ramp up production" (ma šta to značilo) je najavljen za april, a točan datum izlaska još nije najavljen. Q2 traje do kraja 6 mjeseca. Također, 50% veće performanse se treba uzeti sa rezervom. Tu se govorilo o serverskim uvjetima, 16-jezgreni procesor sa Bulldozer jezgrama bi trebao biti brži 50% od 12-jezgrenog procesora sa "starim" (Opteron Magny Cours) jezgrama u multi-threaded radu.

AMD predstavlja Bulldozer procesore na CeBIT-u
 

At the forthcoming CeBIT trade-show in Hannover, Germany, Advanced Micro Devices plans to demonstrate and announce its new microprocessors that will succeed the company's Phenom II central processing units (CPUs). Based on the program of CeBIT show, the company will show off the desktop versions of code-named Bulldozer chips.

In case AMD formally introduces its desktop processors based on Bulldozer micro-architecture code-named Zambezi at CeBIT, it will not be a big surprise as the company already used the show for formal introduction of important products and technologies in the previous years. The big question, however, is whether the company will initiate a review program for the new chips shortly after the show, will unveil official performance levels of the chip or will let select journalists to "independently" benchmark the new CPUs on site, a more than controversial move.

The first Zambezi microprocessors to be launched are expected to be eight-core products with 95W and 125W thermal design power as well as 8MB L3 cache. Later in the second quarter of 2011 AMD will release six-core chips with 8MB L3 cache and four-core products with 4MB cache. All of the processors will feature TurboCore 2.0 technology, dual-channel DDR3 memory controller with up to 1866MHz memory support and will be compatible with AM3+ mainboards.

Izvor: X-Bit Labs

8 jezgri sa 95w:goood:
baš me zanimaju taktovi i temperature (a i cijene naravno),dal budu hladniji od prethodnih generacija...

Osmerojezgreni modeli budu išli od 300 dolara, pa nadalje, ovisno o modelu. Za taktove su se isto tak već izjasnili; 3.0 - 3.5GHz, a jedino kaj preostaje je da sve to i službeno predstave.

znam da je vjerovatno bezbroj puta postavljeno ali ako moze quick reply hoce li moci am3+ cpu na am3 socket?