PC Ekspert Forum - Nadolazeći AMD socketi, ploče i procesori

Vidiš dobro si me sjetio, moram odvriti koji bench na svojoj nabrijanoj integriranoj grafici, no bojim se da neće bit baš blizu polarisa :D
Što se ploča tiče pa nije baš tako loša situacija, ova moja je ispod 200 eur a ima manje više sve što vam treba, čak i m.2 sa 5.0 utorom sumnjive iskoristivosti i vrm koji bez problema prihvaća 7950x.

Koliko Freezer može hladit taj proc u konfi?

Exy	05.01.2023. 18:09

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Autor stef (Post 3650287)

Koliko Freezer može hladit taj proc u konfi?

Dovoljno da i sa PBO radi na maximumu i ne throttla. Uz
Sitna podesavanja u biosu koja su po meni sa zen4 nuzna bez obzira na hladnjak. Imas u zen4 temi moj mini review pa pogledaj ako te zanima.

MadBoY

05.01.2023. 21:08

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Autor tole_ (Post 3650260)

Koja je memorija korištena uz 13900K u usporedbi s novim x3d procesorima, d5-5600 pretpostavljam?
Bit će zanimljivo vidjeti 13700k i d5 7000+ vs 7800x3d bencheve.
I kad bi netko odvrtio 5600 vs 7600 s recimo rx6800 u qhd rezi.

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Testing as of 15 December, 2022, by AMD Performance Labs using the following hardware: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D and Ryzen 9 7950X3D system: AM5 Reference Motherboard, 32GB DDR5-6000, and Artic Liquid Freezer II cooler. Intel Core i9-13900K system: ASUS Strix Z790-E Gaming Motherboard, 32GB DDR5-6000, and Artic Liquid Freezer II cooler. ALL SYSTEMS configured with an open air test bench, Windows 11, AMD Smart Access Memory technology ON, Virtualization-Based Security (VBS) OFF.

MegaSkot

06.01.2023. 05:26

Već vidim jedan 7900X3D pod vodicom.

The Exiled

11.01.2023. 19:22

AMD Ryzen 7000X3D launches February 14th 2023:kafa:

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There will be a new packaging style for the three incoming Ryzen 7000X3D processors. The logo for the new '3D Vertical Cache technology' will be prominently displayed in orange and silver on the PIB (Processor in Box) packaging. AMD also announced that the base TDP for Ryzen 7000X3D processors would be reduced by 50W to 120W. Furthermore, the new series' Tjmax (operating temperature) is lower at 89 degrees Celsius, down from 95 degrees Celsius (on the X-series). That's 1°C different than the previous-generation Ryzen 7 5800X3D processor. AMD will not allow full overclocking capability on the new products. Manual overclocking will still be impossible, despite the fact that 7000X3D components will have a greater maximum voltage (1.4V vs. 1.1V) than the previous generation.

While additional information on AMD's 7000X3D processors will be released before their February release, the company is still hesitant to provide many specifics. It's worth noting that the 7000X3D series will feature support for PBO (Precision Boost Overdrive) and Curve Optimizer, indicating that AMD permits some granularity in fine-tuning for the new series with 3D V-Cache. In order to optimize these power and voltage-conscious CPUs, this is the suggested and risk-free choice. AMD has launched three Ryzen 7000X3D models with 3D V-Cache, increasing the number of X3D CPUs for client PCs from one (in the case of the Ryzen 5000 family) to three (for the Ryzen 7000 series).

Izvor: Guru3D

Problem

16.01.2023. 13:33

nisam nigdje vido da se komentiraju novi mobilci:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/4/23...top-7940hs-ces

Odinarius

16.01.2023. 14:31

Kod laptopa je vrlo teško naći apples to apples usporedbu, jer se TDP i sustavi hlađenja razlikuju, a i zato što se prodaje cijeli funkcionalni proizvod, teško je izolirati samo procesor i njegove kvalitete.

Meni se ne sviđa što AMD miješa različite jezgre u lineup, pa je i zato teže znati što ćeš dobiti i koliko je dobro.

Ali izgleda obećavajuće. AMD je ozbiljno uzeo marketshare Intelu u laptopima i raste. Strašno koji je brand name Ryzen postao.

Disco

17.01.2023. 05:25

AMD Entry-level A620 Chipset Nears Launch, Promises Motherboards Starting at $125

AMD will sufficiently differentiate A620 from the B650, using specs such as the lack of CPU overclocking capabilities, only a handful PCIe Gen 3 downstream lanes, and the lack of PCIe Gen 5 on both the PEG and CPU-attached M.2 slots (which could at least be limited to Gen 4 if not Gen 3).

Ajajaj....dakle kod nas vjerojatno startaju od min 150€, što je preko 1000kn, a minusa kao u priči. Pretpostavljam da su to isto ploče bez chipseta kao AM4 A serija.
Zvuče mi sve više pohlepniji od Intela, IMHO ovakave ploče bi trebale biti max 800-injak kn. :(

AMD - Ryzen 7000X3D processors not released on the 14th

As you know, yesterday AMD.com briefly published a launch date for the Ryzen7000X3D Series Desktop processors, however, that date is incorrect. We have not confirmed a launch date at this time. We will provide updates on the expected availability of these processors at a future date.

- AMD

Valjalo bi prodat malo više ovih običnih AM5 CPU-a. :D

Sinac

17.01.2023. 07:29

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Autor Disco (Post 3653020)

AMD will sufficiently differentiate A620 from the B650, using specs such as the lack of CPU overclocking capabilities, only a handful PCIe Gen 3 downstream lanes, and the lack of PCIe Gen 5 on both the PEG and CPU-attached M.2 slots (which could at least be limited to Gen 4 if not Gen 3).

Pa tko će to uopće kupovati? Netko tko prelazi sa starije konfiguracije na noviju prelazi radi napretka, ne zato da ostane na istom nivou sa starom konfiguracijom. A nekome tko kupuje po prvi puta novu konfiguraciju ispast će da je bolje kupiti jaču stariju generaciju nego low-end nove generacije.

Odinarius

17.01.2023. 09:56

To je za OEM i prebuilte. Nikad A serija nije ni bila za normalne PC eksperte.

Ali definitivno je problem što su se cjenovne kategorije poremetile i otišle cijelu stepenicu gore. Prije smo za cijenu A serije dobili B, danas za bivšu cijenu serije X dobijemo B.

The Exiled

17.01.2023. 11:50

Intel i AMD ne određuju cijene ploča, a MBO društvo se sad nakon AM4 fino želi namiriti. AMD im kao i Intel nudi određene verzije čipseta koji se pak mogu dodatno iskombinirati kak kome paše i to je to.

Cijene su nažalost pretjerane kak god se okrene, pa je sad najjeftinija B650 kakvih ~1.300 kn, tak da ni ove A620 ne budu ništa pretjerano jeftinije.

segregator

17.01.2023. 12:34

Treba i mindset promijeniti da se svaki novi proc ili chipset, grafičke da ne spominjem,
mora probati/kupiti...preskočiš generaciju-dvije, pa si sretniji i sa skokom performansi,
a i novčanik je zahvalan

Dr. Strange

17.01.2023. 22:57

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Autor Problem (Post 3652855)

nisam nigdje vido da se komentiraju novi mobilci:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/4/23...top-7940hs-ces

Tome se ja najviše radujem, Zen 4 u kombinaciji sa rtx 4000 će biti vrlo efikasna zvijer, odličan omjer performanse/potrošnja.

Problem

18.01.2023. 07:51

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Autor Dr. Strange (Post 3653254)

Tome se ja najviše radujem, Zen 4 u kombinaciji sa rtx 4000 će biti vrlo efikasna zvijer, odličan omjer performanse/potrošnja.

7945HX 16C/32T zvijer u laptopu. Bome fino za mobilne workstatione :)

markecSMB

18.01.2023. 10:07

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3653109)

Nije ti to da se proizvođači žele namirit, nego je AMD zeznuo s svojim fjućer prufom pa proizvođače više koštaju te ploče.

Iskreno mislim da ni za 5 godina neće trebat PCI5 i gen 5 SSDovi. I sad taj fjućer prof treba platit u startu. AMD je po ne znam koju put sam sebe...

The Exiled

18.01.2023. 10:32

Ista stvar je s Intel pločama, jer nije do AMD-a i Intela, već do proizvođača matičnih ploča, koji su navikli svake godine prodavati nove ploče, novi socket, novi čipset, sve novo, a onda na AM4 odjednom pašu tri generacije procesora.:):D

Najjeftinije AM5 B650 i LGA-1700 B760 DDR5 ploče su oko ~200€ kod nas, ali ne zato, jer AMD i Intel vrte masne pare na tim pločama, već radi toga, jer MBO društvo slaže cijene kak im paše, pošto imaju čistu zaradu na tome.

I tak bude sad s AM5, sam kaj se sad u startu MBO društvo želi namiriti za sve kaj su propustili na AM4, pa eto - budžet ploče koštaju 200€ do 300€, a kaj se njih tiče, sljedeće godine budu opet izdali istu stvar za još više novaca.:chears:

Dr. Strange

18.01.2023. 12:47

Nvidia, AMD, proizvođači matičnih, svi redom su se epski zajebali misleć da ćemo kupovati po inicijalnim cijenama, drago mi je da su se bar malo opekli. Nvidia kao kompanija s najboljom reputacijom i apsolutnom dominacijom je morala prvi put u povijesti raditi unlaunch, to dovoljno govori.

Disco

19.01.2023. 05:35

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Autor Dr. Strange (Post 3653363)

Mah, i skoro ništa se nije promjenilo. Na papiru se promjenio naziv i MSRP grafe, a u stvarnosti ih nema ispod prvotno najavljene MSRP.

Dottore

30.01.2023. 00:26

Mislim da nije spomenulo.

AMD Quietly Lists 31 New CPU Vulnerabilities, Issues Patch Guidance

Amd_Shill

30.01.2023. 08:03

To bas ima veze sa nadolazecim procesorima u naslovu teme.

Poslano sa mog XQ-CT54 koristeći Tapatalk

Dottore

30.01.2023. 13:33

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Autor Amd_Shill (Post 3656028)

To bas ima veze sa nadolazecim procesorima u naslovu teme.

Poslano sa mog XQ-CT54 koristeći Tapatalk

Bitno je da trollaš.
Kad odnosi na sve modele onda ide u tu temu jer nema druge.

Taproot7

30.01.2023. 14:06

ima pravo jer si promasio temu i za tvoju informaciju pisalo se o tome. leakovi se odnose na sadasnje procesore i arhitekture a ne na nesto sto je u dolasku tojest ono sto tema obraduje

The Exiled

31.01.2023. 23:14

AMD Q4 earnings beat expectations, despite slowing PC sales:kafa:

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AMD reported fourth quarter earnings on Tuesday, beating Wall Street expectations for sales and profit, but guided analysts to a 10% decline in year-over-year sales in the current quarter. AMD reported earnings as many of its rival (1 - 2) chipmakers have stumbled in recent weeks, citing lower consumer demand for finished electronics and gluts of parts needed to make PCs and servers. The chipmaker attributed its beat to strong growth in its embedded and data center businesses, and said that its client revenue, or chips for PCs and laptops, and its gaming segment were down. AMD’s data center segment rose 42% year-over-year to $1.7 billion. Its embedded segment grew 1,868%, AMD said, because of sales from its purchase of Xilinx. But its client group, which includes sales from PC processors, was down 51% year-over-year because of a slumping PC market, AMD said. It added that its customers have too much inventory of its chips, a theme other semiconductor companies have mentioned in recent weeks. The global PC market is in a protracted slowdown, according to estimates.

Revenue: $5.6 billion versus $5.5 billion expected
Adjusted EPS: $0.69 versus $0.67 expected
Data Center: $1.7 billion versus $1.6 billion expected
Client: $903 million versus $995 million expected
Gaming: $1.6 billion versus $1.5 billion expected
Embedded: $1.4 billion versus $1.3 billion expected

Izvor: AMD

Eladio

01.02.2023. 00:40

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3656507)

AMD Q4 earnings beat expectations, despite slowing PC sales:kafa:

Izvor: AMD

drze se budgeta :D

The Exiled

01.02.2023. 08:14

Da, obzirom na cjelokupnu situaciju, AMD se itekak dobro drži, posebice u odnosu na firmu u kojoj sve ide po planu i programu.:fiju:

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Intel, under pressure from shareholders and the market recession (whether you acknowledge that reality or not) have decided to cut pay by 5% or more corporate wide. Corporate employees from every side of the business have confirmed that the company is making drastic cuts, which are affecting its employees’ compensation and benefits. Quarterly pay bonuses, annual bonuses, a halving of 401k match from 5% to 2.5%, suspension of raises, and a cut to base salaries are all official according to internal communication. The cuts are all over, widely affecting engineering departments, with leadership seeing 10% to 15% cuts while CEO Pat Gelsinger sees losses of 25%. These fiscal measures are causing concern among employees who just a couple of years ago must have felt like untouchables living in a gilded age but the cuts just keep cutting deeper with rampant inflation. While the company claims that these cuts are necessary to reduce its burn rate, the fact that the company’s dividend remains intact raises questions about its priorities. This decision to prioritize the dividend over employee retention is not only a cause for concern for employees but also for the long-term future of the company. The loss of bonuses, combined with base pay cuts, may cause a drop in morale.

Izvor: SemiAnalysis

The Exiled

10.02.2023. 09:11

AMD grabs over 30% CPU market share as Intel continues to decline:kafa:

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AMD has grabbed share away from Intel Corp (INTC.O), which still remains the largest player in the market for what are known as x86 processors, which work with popular operating systems like Microsoft Corp's (MSFT.O) Windows. In the fourth quarter, Intel had 68.7% market share for x86 processors versus AMD's 31.3%, which was up from 28.5% a year earlier, according to Mercury Research. The results came amid what Mercury Research President Dean McCarron said in the report was the worst downturn in the PC chip market since the 1980s and possibly the worst in the industry's history. After snapping up PCs and laptops for working from home during the pandemic, consumers and businesses have slowed their purchases amid rising inflation and economic uncertainty. But the slowdown has played out differently for AMD and Intel. AMD last month beat Wall Street sales expectations while Intel conceded that it has "stumbled" in competing with its longtime rival, with Intel's expected losses forcing broad employee pay cuts.

Izvor: Interneti

The Exiled

01.03.2023. 18:09

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AMD strikes back: Ryzen 9 7945HX beats Intel Core i9-13980HX despite much lower power consumption:chears:

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Intel's flagship consumed anywhere from 180-190W and even spiked beyond 200W with average temperatures hovering around 85C. Within a few seconds of operation, the CPU was throttling to sub 3.8 GHz clocks. Meanwhile, AMD's chip never broke past 120W which was its peak and temps were close to 80C but the chip remained steady with a 4.3-4.4 GHz clock speed. The results even compared to the previous-gen ROG Zephyrus Duo 16 which packed an AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX CPU are superb. The older chip did consume 80W power or 33% lower than the 7945HX but the Dragon Range CPU offers more than twice the performance uplift too.

Izvor: NotebookCheck

The Exiled

31.03.2023. 11:41

AMD Zen 5 Full Leak: Core counts, IPC, clocks, Sorano, Turin, and even Zen 6 Venice details!:kafa:

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Since last year AMD-Xilinx has been posting Linux patches for enabling CDX as a new bus between application processors (APUs) and FPGAs. The AMD CDX bus is now poised for introduction in the upcoming Linux 6.4 cycle. With AMD CDX, FPGA devices can be dynamically discovered and controlled by the main application CPU/APU. AMD's been working on this Linux support for CDX as part of their future hardware support and now that code under review for months is finally ready for upstreaming to the mainline Linux kernel. Based on the timing and all things considered, it would seem the AMD CDX bus is used with the forthcoming Ryzen 7040 series chips with the "XDNA AI" engine where there is a dedicated AI engine to be found in AMD's newest laptop chips based on FPGA IP from their Xilinx acquisition.

Izvor: Phoronix

Disco

20.04.2023. 05:23

Jedan kratki i simpa video o tome kako smo dobili dobili 64 bit CPUe (da mlađi vide da AMD nije baš od jučer ;) ):

Bubba

20.04.2023. 08:30

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Autor Disco (Post 3671884)

Jedan kratki i simpa video o tome kako smo dobili dobili 64 bit CPUe (da mlađi vide da AMD nije baš od jučer ;) )

Zato mladi i jesu zatrovani ako gledaju ovakav petparacki video lakih tehnickih nota u kojem u prvih 3 minute ima barem 7 potpuno krivih informacija.

Disco

20.04.2023. 09:09

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Autor Bubba (Post 3671897)

Zato mladi i jesu zatrovani ako gledaju ovakav petparacki video lakih tehnickih nota u kojem u prvih 3 minute ima barem 7 potpuno krivih informacija.

A hebemu sada...Istina je da je AMD uveo 64bit CPU-e koji su kompatiblini i sa 32bit i to i na desktope. I istina je da je Intel jeo govna sa Itaniumom. Za onu alfu iskreno nikada čuo, pa se tu nebim štel mešat.

The Exiled

20.04.2023. 09:24

Na prijašnjem poslu smo na Alpha mašinama vrtjeli OpenVMS za IBM BPCS, tak da je veselje bilo potpuno.:)

Kaj se pak AMD-a tiče, nadovezal se budem s popratnim provokativnim materijalom.:frend:

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BusMaster

22.04.2023. 18:49

AMD Ryzen 8000 “Zen5” APUs leak: Strix Halo with RDNA3.5 iGPU to compete with up to RTX 4070 Max-Q

Link: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryze...rtx-4070-max-q

Disco

22.04.2023. 19:34

The Exiled

26.04.2023. 20:16

Zen 5 Secrets Revealed - it's Gonna Be (Really) Good:kafa:

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The AMD Zen 5 core architecture which is internally codenamed "Nirvana" has had work started on it since 2020-2021. The first Zen 5 products are expected to land in 2024 & based on recent reports, it will be built completely from the ground up.The first major change rumored for AMD's Zen 5 CPU core architecture is the use of a new "Ladder" shared cache. The earlier Zen architectures had the L3 cache split into two 16 MB blocks shared by the two CCX's within each CCD. Each CCX could only access 16 MB of L3 cache pools. This structure is said to drastically reduce the inter-core latency and communication bottlenecks compared to the ring interconnect design.

The Exiled

01.05.2023. 13:04

AMD Phoenix Ryzen 7040 APUs benchmarked, higher Performance than Intel at same power, gaming & rfficiency leadership:frend:

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The AMD Ryzen 7040 Phoenix APU lineup utilizes both Zen 4 and RDNA 3 cores. The new Phoenix APUs carry LPDDR5x and PCIe 5 support and come in SKUs ranging from 35W to 45W. The APUs will be outfitted with the latest AMD XDNA AI engines based on Xilinx design known as Ryzen AI. So coming to the tests, a total of four laptops were pitted against each other, all from Lenovo (14"). All designs are 2023 and two featured Intel 13th Gen Core i7-13700H & Core i5-13500H while the other two featured the AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS and Ryzen 7 7735HS CPUs. The AMD laptops were configured with 55W while the Intel laptops were configured at 65W. The Intel laptops were using LPDDR5-5200 memory while the AMD laptops were using LPDDR5x-6400 memory.

First up, we have the synthetic benchmarks in Cinebench R23 where Intel retains a small lead in the single-core benchmarks but AMD ends up faster in multi-threaded benchmarks. Same is the case in 7-Zip where the single-core performance is around 85-95% of the Intel CPUs but multi-core exceeds them. The Ryzen 7735HS sits 21% ahead of the Core i5-13500H and the 7840HS sits around 10% ahead of the Core i7-13700H. In video encoding performance, the AMD VCN 4.0 engine excels with 44% better performance than VCN 3.0 and a 53% increase over nVidia's 7th Gen NVENC in H.264. In H.265, VCN 4.0 leads both VCN 3.0 and NVENC by 30% and 42%, respectively.

Talking about iGPU benchmarks, the AMD Radeon 780M RDNA 3 chip integrated into the Ryzen 7040 Phoenix APUs is anywhere from 70% to 2x faster than Intel's integrated solution with 96 EUs, their fastest integrated chip on the market yet. That's absolutely amazing performance and almost gets close to GTX 1060 desktop-class performance. You can definitely expect over 60 FPS in a majority of AAA games at 1080P using a mix of high and medium settings. There's also the advantage of FSR and RSR support which these new chips can utilize for even higher performance.

The AMD Ryzen 7040 Phoenix APUs absolutely crush the competition here. The Ryzen 7 7840HS and Ryzen 7 7735HS sit ahead of the competition while consuming much lower wattage in multi-threaded workloads. Even the RDNA iGPU is faster than the RTX 3050 6 GB when both are running at the same TDP of 45W which is impressive. In all power metrics, the AMD Phoenix APUs had the absolute lead over Intel's parts. At its maximum 65W TDP, the Intel chip only comes on par with the Ryzen APU. The same is the case with the Ryzen 7 7735HS which delivers the same performance as the Core i5-13500H at the same TDP. As for video playback, the AMD Ryzen CPUs consume close as low as 3.14W power which is much lower than the 5.23W consumed by the Core i5-13500H.

Izvor: Interneti

Dr. Strange

01.05.2023. 17:22

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3673709)

AMD Phoenix Ryzen 7040 APUs benchmarked, higher Performance than Intel at same power, gaming & rfficiency leadership:frend:

Izvor: Interneti

Ovo se čeka https://www.aroged.com/2023/03/24/fr...angeable-gpus/ :amen:

The Exiled

03.05.2023. 08:48

Zlo i naopako.:fiju:

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AMD’s Q1 2023 revenue beats expectations but guidance falls short:kafa:

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AMD brought in $5.4 billion in revenue for the first quarter, marking a slight 9% annual growth compared to rivals, with the figure sitting above the high end of analyst guidance. The big ticket item from AMD's earnings report is the firm's Client computing segment. This division deals with the firm's personal computing products, and as was widely expected before today's report, the segment was in for a bloodbath. AMD's Client segment raked in $739 million in revenue during the quarter, marking a 65% drop by becoming the worst performing division for the company. AMD's data center revenue was $1.3 billion in the quarter, remaining flat annually. However, at the same time, an inflationary environment also drove down operating income from the segment, which stood at $148 million during the quarter as opposed to the $427 million in the year ago quarter. While AMD's management expects the CPU market to start recovering in the second half of the year, the company's outlook for Q2 is not that optimistic.

Izvor: Interneti

tole_

03.05.2023. 17:31

E ovaj Phoenix izgleda ide stopama Rembrandta. Rekli kao da će izaći u 3.mj., a pitanje je hoće li biti i u šestom. Prošle god kad sam uzimao lap baš sam ciljao na RMB, ali naravno ni 7 mj. nakon najave nisi mogao kupiti laptop. Na kraju uzeo 5500u. Meme firma.

The Exiled

03.05.2023. 18:02

Na poslu smo Lenovo Thinkpad modele s AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 6850U primjerkom dobivali na kapaljku, svega po nekoliko komada tu i tamo. HP isto ništa bolja situacija.

Naravno, odgovor je uvijek isti od svih dobavljača - nestašica i općenita situacija diljem svijeta, pa smo se pomirili s tim, a onda nakon nekog vremena su postali dobavljivi u većim količinama.

Sva vremena su GMT +2. Sada je 23:28.

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