Zaboravljaš da ima malo programa koji stvarno mogu iskoristit 6 jezgri.

Malo sam razgovarao s kolegama s TPU-a, i sve ovo sto ste naveli ima posve druge konotacije danas. Bulldozer nece biti na AM3 socketu, vec ce raditi na posve novoj platformi. Uklonit ce se dio mem. kontrolera, odnosno DDR2 mem. kontroler i uvesti posve nova tehnologija parallel computinga, svojevrsni HiperThreading, koji to nije, u kontekstu Intel HT-a, vec bi navodno trebao dati jos bolje skaliranje performansi, a u OS-u, primjerice prikazivati broj fizickih jezgri, a ne dretvi. Gdje (djelomicno) bespredmetnom postaje rasporava o "softverskoj" iskoristivosti procesora. BTW, NB ce takodjer biti disolviran u sam procesor, slicno kao kod Nehalema, ali opet nesto malo drugacije. Hyper Transport (izgleda) odlazi u povijesti, a dolazi nam A-link.

Fora je sto ce to paralelno procesiranje biti, hm, "hardcoded" u samu arhitekturu na nivou koji je potpuno ili djelomicno transparentan za softverski "layer".:D Deneb i Thuban su ok, osobito zbog modularnosti same tehnologije (MCM) ali to je jos uvijek dobri stari K10, koji kaska od dana rodjenja. Bulldozer se zapravo prema zadnjim vijestima ispostavlja kao posve novi projekt. Kao da su jednom trenutku (nedavnoi?) AMD-ovci poceli iz pocetka. I meni se cini da idu u odlicnom smjeru. Stvari se lagano zakuhavaju, vjerojatno na zadovoljstvo svih.

Osim mozda Intela.:D

Mislim da tvoja razmišljanja u svemu nisu ispravna, bila flame ili ne :nono:

• ATi nije "napredan kod grafa u odnosu na nvidiju kao što je zaostao u odnosu na intel." Sa nVidiom vode tik-tak odnos. Nekad su oni malo povoljniji/bolji, nekad nVidia. Npr. nVidia je uvijek i u doba ove prednosti HD 5000 serije, daleko bolja u skaliranju sa SLi sustavom. Ja sam jednom koristio CrossFire i ispao magarac, s obzirom koliko malo ubrzanja, a koliko (duplo) više novca, grijanja, buke, potrošnje i gnjaveža s driverima sam uložio. Intel pak nikad, niti u doba AMD-ovog topnotch Athlon FX procesora nije bio ugrožen u krunskoj brzini, mooožda u trenutku nesretnog intelovog P4 cirkusiranja bijahu tu negdje.
  
  
• Phenom II X6 u pogledu performansi i potrošnje nimalo ne zaostaje za Intelom iste klase. Pogledaj mi Moj komp, da ne pomisliš da možda bubam napamet.
  
  
• Phenom II X6 je izvrstan za video editing. Jedino što treba je dovoljno memorije (pod dovoljno mislim na 8GB) i dobra grafika i tu NIMALO ne zaostaje za nijednim i7 osim mrcine 980X naravno, koja košta kao i još jedno kompletno X6 računalo.
  
  
• To što AMD "dugo" (iako isto toliko i Intel ima 775 npr.) gura isti socket ne znači ništa. Najbitniji je pojedini chipset. Ja sam morao prodati i gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5 i DFi LanParty 790FXB-M2RSH konfiguraciju pokloniti curi, jer niti za jedan od tih (iako donedavno highend) SKUPIH chipseta nema podrške za Thuban.

Dakle, tvoja razmišljanja su površne i općenite chitchat floskule i stereotipovi iz x-te forumaške ruke, bez uvrede.:)

@pinkskin
Pa možda ne zaboravlja. Onaj tko živi ili ovisi od barem jednog od tih "malo programa" itekako je sretan što ima višejezgren procesor i boli ga ona stvar što postoji nekakav pasijans ili pucačina koji te jezgre ne znaju upotrijebiti. To što netko tko realno ne koristi te programe, a skupo uludo kupuje višejezgrene procove, bude razočaran, ne znači da su ti procesori onda promašaj. Njegova je krivica u neinformiranosti, (a ne proizvođača procesora), za rezultirajući neadekvatan setup za njegove specifične potrebe. Zato ima ovaj forum da se informira.:)

Vrlo lijep opis :respekt:, i držim fige da bude tako kao što si opisao, ali znamo svi koji smo u tome koje desetljeće, koliko se razlikuju powerpoint prezentacije od finalnih proizvoda, performansi i rokova realizacije.:baad:

Novi AM3+ socket za nadolazeće Bulldozer procesore
 

Advanced Micro Devices said that its next-generation desktop processors code-named Zambezi will use socket AM3+ platforms, which will be backwards compatible with the firm's existing AM3 products. While the latter is an advantage for the platform, it may be a disadvantage for eight-core processors based on Bulldozer micro-architecture. In order for AMD’s desktop offering to fully leverage the capabilities of Bulldozer, an enhanced AM3+ socket will be introduced that supports Bulldozer and is backward-compatible with our existing AM3 CPU offerings.

Apparently, it was possible for AMD to make Bulldozer microprocessors compatible with existing AM3+ infrastructure, but in order to do that, the company would have to sacrifice certain important features of the new core. The compatibility with older microprocessors allows AMD to simplify transition to the new micro-architecture and process design since the new AM3+ platform will support inexpensive chips from day one. However, such compatibility also means that AMD Zambezi processors will only support dual-channel memory controller.

AMD Bulldozer-based processor code-named Zambezi will have up to eight cores along with a new TurboCore dynamic acceleration technology.
Thanks to the new micro-architecture the chip promises to be faster than existing AMD products.

Izvor: X-bit Labs

S obzirom da je power management iz temelja promijenjen drugo se nije moglo ni očekivati.
Dakle, Bulldozer sigurno neide na AM3 ploče, ali sadašnji AM3 procevi idu na novu AM3+ platformu.

Detalji oko nadolazećeg osmerojezgrenog Orochi AM3+ procesora
 

Advanced Micro Devices on Wednesday displayed a die-shot of the forthcoming central processing unit (CPU) code-named Orochi, which is based on the Bulldozer micro-architecture and will be made using 32nm silicon-on-insulator process technology. The chip will feature eight processing engines, but since it is based on Bulldozer micro-architecture, those cores will be packed into four modules. Every module which will have two independent integer cores (that will share fetch, decode and L2 functionality) with dedicated schedulers, one floating point unit with two 128-bit FMAC pipes with one FP scheduler. The chip will have shared L3 cache, dual-channel DDR3 memory controller and will use HyperTransport 3.1 bus. The Orochi chips will use new AM3+ form-factor and will require brand new platforms.

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The image clearly depicts four separate dual-core Bulldozer modules with unified level-two caches, various interfaces (memory, HyperTransport, etc.), rather strangely aligned level-three cache and so on. Besides design and instruction set improvements, Bulldozer, just like the code-named Llano accelerated processing unit (APU), supports advanced power management featuring chip power gating and digital measurements of temperatures. Obviously, the chip will be able to dynamically boost clock-speed when thermal design power allows and multiple cores are not required.

Izvor: X-bit Labs

Dakle nula bodova za podršku trokanalne memorije na Bulldozeru?

Da, radi toga jer AM3+ platforma zadržava podršku za sadašnje AM3 procesore koji imaju dvokanalni kontroler.

AMD Zacate to consume 18W, Ontario 9W
 

Besides explaining the upcoming architecture late last month and showing off physical samples at IFA 2010 in Berlin, the company is now sharing some additional details regarding specific products and their power envelopes. Specifically the company mentioned two Bobcat-based APUs that will form the basis of their "Brazos" platform: Ontario and Zacate.

Both APUs implement two Bobcat cores merged with a graphics core capable of DirectX 11 rendering and a new Unified Video Decoder (UVD) on-die to handle full HD decoding at 1080p. Zacate is aimed at ultrathin, mainstream, and value notebooks as well as desktops and all-in-ones. With a TDP of 18W, it will have to compete with Intel's ultra-low voltage Core i3 in these markets. Meanwhile, Ontario will target netbooks and nettops with a TDP rating of just 9W. By comparison, Intel's new Atom N550 with on-die graphics has an 8.5W TDP. Unlike Atom, however, Bobcat cores will support out-of-order instruction handling and thus have the potential to offer significantly higher performance.

Izvor: Techspot

AMD 900 serija čipseta i nadolazeći Phenom II procesori
 

AMD 900 serija čipseta

Although there will be several minor differences between AMD 8-series and AMD 9-series core-logic sets, the main two features of the new Scorpius platform will be support for new Bulldozer micro-architecture processors as well as IOMMU, a technology that will bring a number of new features to AMD's desktop platforms and will differentiate it from competing offerings from Intel Corp., according to people familiar with AMD's plans. Like a traditional MMU, which translates microprocessor's virtual addresses to physical addresses, the IOMMU maps device-visible virtual addresses to physical addresses. The I/O memory management unit provides a secure, scalable, high-performance solution for I/O virtualization in client or server computers. While it is clear that IOMMU sports a number of advantages in server platforms and virtualized environments, its main advantage in desktop platforms will likely be improvements in heterogeneous computing.

While there is no concrete guidance at this point, but it is highly likely that all mainboards powered by AMD 9-series chipsets will feature AM3+ sockets that will support AMD's code-named Zambezi desktop processor as well as current-generation AM3 chips. The mainboards will possibly support numerous innovations beyond AM3+ and IOMMU and given the fact that the new chipsets will have new clock-speed generators and the Zambezi chips will support Turbo Core 2.0 technology, there will possibly be a number of new options for overclockers. Even though AMD plans to start shipping its 9-series chipsets in Q2 2011, it is still unknown when the company is able to ship its desktop microprocessors known as Zambezi made using 32nm process technology.

There will be three versions of AMD 9-series North Bridges that will be slightly different from each other:

• AMD 990FX - supports two PCIe 2.0 x16 slots (configurable as four PCIe 2.0 x16), six PCIe 2.0 x1 slots, one PCIe 2.0 x4 slot, to be paired with SB950 I/O controller;
• AMD 990X - supports one PCIe 2.0 x16 slots (configurable as two PCIe 2.0 x8), six PCIe 2.0 x1 slots;
• AMD 970 - supports one PCIe 2.0 x16 slot, to be paired with SB950 and SB920 I/O controllers;

AMD 9-series south bridge chips will support the following:

• AMD SB950 - four PCIe 2.0 x1 slots, 14 USB 2.0 controllers, PCI bus, six Serial ATA-600 connectors with RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 support;
• AMD SB920 - two PCIe 2.0 x1 slots, 14 USB 2.0 controllers, PCI bus, six Serial ATA-600 connectors with RAID 0, 1, 10 support

Nadolazeći Phenom II procesori

In particular, the company wants to introduce new top-of-the-range six-core chip as well as the fastest quad-core microprocessor.
In addition, the company will further broaden the line of its Phenom II X6 "Thuban" products with a relatively affordable CPU.

In an attempt to boost performance of its six-core and quad-core processors in advance of the Holiday season, AMD intends to release two new six-core processors Phenom II X6 1100T (3.30GHz), which will be the fastest chip the company has to offer and Phenom II X6 1065T (2.90GHz), which will be the highest-performance six-core offering with 95W thermal design power. In addition, the company will itroduce its most powerful quad-core Phenom II X4 975 chip with 3.60GHz clock-speed. The chips are specifically aimed at the higher end of the market and will rise performance bar for AMD central processing units.

The forthcoming introduction of a faster six-core offering in Q4 2010 may indicate that Advanced Micro Devices is now seeing higher yields of six-core Phenom II X6 "Thuban" processors at Globalfoundries using 45nm SOI fabrication process. The further expansion of six-core product family with an expensive and mainstream parts is likely to slightly increase average selling prices and consequently revenues of AMD.

Izvor: X-Bit Labs - 1, 2

Asus ROG Crosshair IV Extreme
 

Asus ROG Crosshair IV Extreme - Hands on Preview

The Crosshair IV Extreme comes with 5 x PCI-Express 16x ports. These can be used in a number of configurations. The Crosshair IV Extreme comes equipped with the chip that has nVidia spitting nails; the Lucid Hydra.For those less informed, this is a very special feature. Ever since the dawn of Multi GPU computing, nVidia graphics cards have been forced to pair with another nVidia card - the same also applies to ATi's Crossfire Technology as well. Recently, chip designer Lucid came along and eloquently gave ATi/nVidia the middle finger with a bombshell named Hydra. This little innovation allows nVidia graphics cards to function in SLI mode on AMD motherboards but also allows ATi and nVidia graphics cards to work together.

Asus launches Lucid Hydra based Crosshair IV Extreme

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With CrossLinx 3 technology, Crosshair IV Extreme users gain the ability to mix and match multiple graphics cards from both NVIDIA and ATI, including models of different GPU generations. This technology uses the Lucid HYDRALOGIX engine, which bridges various graphics cards to enable their simultaneous usage. By removing compatibility hurdles, CrossLinx 3 makes it possible to experiment with different configurations of graphics cards for maximum performance.

On Crosshair IV Extreme, a unique layout design features a total of five PCI Express expansion slots. Two provide dedicated native graphics card support for either a single GPU or two in CrossFire configuration. The additional three feature Lucid HYDRALOGIX and CrossLinx 3 technologies, which enable a mixture of graphics cards from different vendors and generations, with a total of four detectable and working at once. Users keen on tuning their system gain greater freedom to do so with the unprecedented five PCI Express slots, and the technology maintains optimized performance whether in single or multiple-GPU arrangements.

Asus Crosshair IV Extreme Review

Our comprehensive evaluation of the Crosshair IV Extreme has identified a number of the board's strengths but also a number of pitfalls. In terms of performance, it would generally appear that we are onto a winner here. During our testing, we were able to reach a peak HTT of 350MHz and the CH4E's Lucid Hydra performance proved to be very competitive. This would have been brilliant news to us had the board have launched over two weeks ago, but alas we have also spent this month working on MSI's 870A Fuzion Power Edition.

It is unusual for us to start mentioning a motherboard that is almost £100 more affordable, but its performance almost suggests otherwise. While a maximum base HTT of ~350MHz would have been impressive to us in the past, our MSI 870A Fuzion rumbled its way to a stonking 400MHz. Of course a base HTT of 350MHz is unlikely to hold any current non black edition processor, but it really is food for thought that the range topping Crosshair IV Extreme can't match it. Unlike MSI, Asus have implemented the highest specification Hydra module (LT24102), which offers three way and four way Multi GPU configurations. Our 3DMark Vantage benchmark showed the Crosshair IV Extreme gain a 1000 mark advantage over the MSI Fuzion. As a system orientated towards multiple graphics cards, it would most certainly appear that the Asus is the way to go.

Then there's the board's convenience features. Aside PCB mounted Power Toggle buttons, the board offers instant BIOS recovery, the ability to power, overclock or diagnose your system remotely and also determine graphics card faults with a switch panel. While you pay a lot for these conveniences, most of these are unique to the AMD platform. One mustn't either forget that the Crosshair IV Extreme is in essence an AMD equivalent to the Rampage III Extreme. Despite offering an identical feature set, the Crosshair IV Extreme is set to cost substantially less, which goes a long way towards offering a (like for like) VFM advantage against Intel's Core i7 platform. For many however, the concept of spending upwards of £200 on a Socket AM3 motherboard is cringe worthy regardless.

The Crosshair IV Extreme was all set to blow us all away but unfortunately, the 870A Fuzion stole some of its thunder. To summarise, if you are in the market for the world's most feature rich Socket AM3 motherboard, then this is it. So long as you can find a use for all of its mod-cons you will never be disappointed. Our suggestion? If you have the money, then go for it; just prepare to budget some noise cancelling headphones to complement the purchase.

Izvor: Guru3D i Overclock3D - 1, 2

ECS A890GXM-A2 AM3 ploča
 

Elitegroup Computer Systems (ECS) introduces AMD 890GX based motherboard - ECS Black Series A890GXM-A2 supports the latest six-core CPU to bring users an impressive visual experience with its tough features. By “One-step Unlocking” function in “ECS M.I.B. III” overclocking interface, users are able to unlock the hidden cores of CPU easily, and it reaches over 238% CPU performance boosted than default setting by unlocking cores with overclocking; moreover, it is also easy to reach 146% gaming performance boosted by overclocking GPU - ATi Radeon HD 4290 graphics processor’s core clock and SidePort memory speed.

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ECS A890GXM-A2 fully supports the latest AMD Turbo Core technology which is essential for power-desired users to get extra performance automatically. ECS A890GXM-A2 is also the first motherboard provides a real PCI-E Gen.2 bandwidth SuperSpeed USB 3.0 controller enhanced by a world-leading IC manufacture in Taiwan, with this perfect solution, ECS A890GXM-A2 features attractive price in the performance segment.

Izvor: techPowerUp

Jedno pitanje, dal postoji šansa da izađe 6jezgreni Bulldozer? Jer koliko vidim po linkovima, priča se samo o 4everojezgrenom, i 8jezgrenom Bulldozeru.
Koliko sam načuo, valjda će i šestojezgrene izbacit samo to još nigdje nisam službeno pročito od AMD-a.

Llano APU s IGP-om performansama između 400 i 500 GigaFLOPSa
 

AMD has revealed some more details on its coming desktop processor Llano.
During a presentation at AMD Technical Forum and Exhibition in Taipei AMD's Chris Nolan said that the built-in graphics circuit of Llano will be capable of 500 GFLOPS crunching power.

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The statement was made during a presentation of Llano where AMD showed how the circuit would play a High Definition video, while a multi-threaded SuperPi calculation and N-Body simulation was stressing both CPU and GPU. To get some more perspective on the number 400-500 GFLOPS that Chris Nolan, operative office and VP of AMD Computing Solitions Group, mentioned during the presentationen we can look at the table below with the current discrete offering.

AMD Llano will launch for desktops around Summer next year, which means it will take a while before we will see the circuits in any computers. We're still excited about seeing how AMD will in theory kill off the entire graphics card market in the $50 range. It is close to the theoretic performance of Radeon HD 5570, which costs around $80. There is no doubt AMD is preparing to sacrifise its budget segment of discrete graphics cards, while it forces nVidia to look over its product assortment.

Izvor: NordicHardware

Procesori bazirani na Bulldozer arhtekturi u travnju 2011.
 

Advanced Micro Devices will start production of its code-named Zambezi central processing unit (CPU) based on the highly-anticipated Bulldozer micro-architecture in April, 2011. Initially AMD plans to release 8-core microprocessors for desktops, but later in the second quarter of next year the firm intends to launch six-core and quad-core chips based on Bulldozer micro-architecture. The first engineering samples of Zambezi chips that will be available for AMD's partners for testing will be released already in December, 2010, about a month from now. Production candidates should be ready by February and the initial production of the company's first desktop microprocessors powered by the long-awaited Bulldozer micro-architecture is scheduled to start in April next year. Probably, the launch of the chip will occur around the same timeframe.

The first Zambezi microprocessors to be launched are expected to be eight-core products with 95W and 125W thermal design power as well as 8MB L3 cache. Later in the second quarter of 2011 AMD will release six-core chips with 8MB L3 cache and four-core products with 4MB cache. All of the processors will feature TurboCore 2.0 technology, dual-channel DDR3 memory controller with up to 1866MHz memory support and will be compatible with AM3+ mainboards. Eight-core Zambezi/Orochi features four dual-core Bulldozer modules, each of which is believed to have 2MB of shared level-two cache, that will share 8MB L3 cache. In total, the whole chip will pack in whopping 16MB of SRAM, a 77% increase from the current six-core microprocessors that have 9MB of cache in total.

The Sunnyvale, California-based chip designer plans to introduce AMD 900-series chipsets compatible with Zambezi processors in Q2 2011. The Bulldozer processors, Radeon HD 6000 "Northern Islands" discrete graphics cards and AMD 900-series core-logic sets will power AMD's next-generation enthusiast-class platform code-named Scorpius.

AMD Bulldozer 2 arhitektura u rasponu od 2012. do 2016.

Izvor: X-Bit Labs

To je komentar John Fruehea (John Fruehe is the Director of Product Marketing for Server/Workstation products at AMD) na članak s gornjeg linka, tako da ovaj plan treba uzeti sa zadrškom.

Sandy Bridge će prije lansiranja biti u proizvodnji par mjeseci, tako da sumnjam da će Bulldozer biti nabavljiv prije rujna ako proizvodnja počne u travnju.

Sljedeći tjedan je Analysts Day pa bi trebali saznati i nešto službenije.

Procesori bazirani na Bulldozer arhitekturi kreću s masovnom proizvodnjom u travnju 2011., a u isto vrijeme se očekuje i službeno predstavljenje osmerojezgrenih modela. Kasnije, tj. na polovici 2011. planiraju predstaviti šestero i četverojezgrene Bulldozer procesore. S obzirom da već jedno vrijeme imaju wafere s Bulldozer procesorima i da prema ovom članku sljedeći mjesec šalju inženjerske primjerke - bili bi žešće nesposobni da im (gledajući od danas) treba skoro godina dana da ljudima ponude novu arhitekturu i nove procesore.

Tim više, jer Intel već sad ima pokrenutu proizvodnju prvih testnih primjeraka 22nm Ivy Bridge procesora koji budu die-shrink Sandy Bridge arhitekture. S tim da je Intel nove 22nm Ivy Bridge procesore isplaniral za drugu polovicu 2011. i kombinirali budu ih s novim/nadolazećim LGA-1155 pločama. AMD bude i ovak u zaostatku, točnije AMD je u zaostatku još od Intelove Core 2 arhitekture i prvih Conroe procesora, a još da im treba do jeseni 2011. da službeno predstave i lansiraju tolko najavljivane Bulldozer modele - onda mogu komotno zatvoriti vrata, jer Intel bude ih žive pojel.

AMD teases Bobcat Fusion APUs again, delivers Atom-busting performance
 

"Zacate" (18W max)
AMD E-350 with AMD Radeon™ HD 6310 Graphics (dual-core CPU @ 1.6GHz & dual DX-11 SIMDs @ 500MHz)
(NOTE: SIMD = 80x total Vision Engine nano-cores for parallel computer capability and graphics)
AMD E-240 with AMD Radeon™ HD 6310 Graphics (single-core CPU @ 1.5GHz & dual DX-11 SIMDs @ 500MHz)

"Ontario" (9W max)
AMD C-50 with AMD Radeon™ HD 6250 Graphics (dual-core CPU @ 1.0GHz & dual DX-11 SIMDs @ 280MHz)
AMD C-30 with AMD Radeon™ HD 6250 Graphics (single-core CPU @ 1.2GHz & dual DX-11 SIMDs @ 280MHz)

AMD has finally allowed a few tech pubs to get their hands on Brazos-based systems and, along with feedback about their experience, the guys have come back with some added spec notes. There'll be two initial Zacate options, the dual-core E-350 running at 1.6GHz or the single-core E-240 clocked at 1.5GHz, while Ontario will offer 1GHz dual-core and 1.2GHz single-core variants. Let's not forget that both are intended for netbooks and lithe desktop computers before writing them off as too slow -- which would be a mistake anyway as the sites that got a chance to play with the E-350 reported very respectable performance. HardOCP dared to try out Crysis and managed to get it chugging along at a resolution around 720p, whereas Hot Hardware witnessed a 1080p video clip being played back perfectly smoothly alongside an instance of Hyper Pi maxing out the CPU load.

Izvor: HardOCP, Tech Report, Hot Hardware, PC Perspective

Bit će to prave male zvjerčice, samo da ne budu preskupe da se više isplati uzeti Llano nego njih.

Teško da budu se uopće i mogli kupiti odvojeno, kad su namijenjeni za ugradnju u nettop, netbook, notebook i mITX računala.

Zaboravljas da AMD ima svoje fanove koji ce cekati te procesore, pa makar i do kraja 2011 godine. Ako Intel bude imao veliku cijenu na tim procesorima, a AMD manju, ljudi ce onda cekat nove Bulldozer procesore bez obzira sto ce Intel brisat pod sa AMD-om sto se tice performansi. Takvo je barem moje misljenje.

Nek samo onda čekaju. Intel bude imal dvije nove generacije procesora, a AMD još ne bude u stanju ponuditi ni 32nm modele? Super. Osim toga, već su počele iskakati cijene za nadolazeće Sandy Bridge procesore - quad-core Core i5 procesor druge generacije s potpuno otključanim množiteljom i DirectX 10.1 IGP-om za £170.:) Ne znam kolko bi neko trebal biti obožavatelj AMD-a, pa da čeka skoro godinu dana i usput mirno gleda kak Intel nudi nove procesore po sasvim prihvaljivim cijenama. Velim, AMD bi trebal biti žešće nesposoban da im nakon svih ovih demonstracija (kaj gotovih procesora, kaj pripremljenih wafera), treba do sljedeće jeseni, pa da oni ponude ono kaj bude Intel ponudil za koja dva-tri mjeseca.

Tolko o tome da bude AMD-u trebalo skoro godinu dana da na tržište plasira Bulldozer arhitekturu.
Izvor: X-Bit Labs

Nije loše za jedan dan; AMD demonstrira procesore bazirane na Bulldozer i Bobcat arhitekturi, te usput najavi planove za budućnost, a nVidia službeno predstavi GTX 580 karticu.:)

AMD-ovi planovi za desktop i mobilno tržište 2012.
 

At its financial analysts day on Tuesday Advanced Micro Devices released additional details about its future products for client personal computers. Apparently, in 2012 there will be no mainstream or entry-level central processing units (CPUs) without integrated graphics as AMD will address all the markets, except the high-end desktop, with its Fusion accelerated processing units (APUs). The most powerful microprocessor for desktops that AMD will offer in 2012 will be code-named Komodo and which will have eight cores powered by improved Bulldozer micro-architecture. It is noteworthy that the server brother of Komodo - the code-named Sepang chip - will have up to ten cores, whereas traditionally AMD's most powerful desktop chips offered similar features as server chips.

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For performance-mainstream, mainstream and entry-level desktops and laptops AMD plans to introduce Trinity family of APUs, which will have two or four next-generation Bulldozer x86 cores as well as DirectX 11-capable integrated graphics engine. AMD's Trinity family made using 32nm SOI fabrication process will likely be the company's biggest line in terms of volume. For low-power desktops, ultra-thin notebooks, netbooks and other low-power devices the Sunnyvale, California-based AMD intends to offer Krishna and Wichita APUs powered by one to four enhanced Bobcat cores as well as DirectX 11-compliant graphics core. Advanced Micro Devices plans to utlize a bulk 28nm manufacturing process to build its next-generation low-power APUs. Unfortunately, at present it is unknown whether the company plans to use TSMC's or Globalfoundries' 28nm fabrcation process.

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AMD Codename Decoder - značenja svih kodnih imena za nadolazeće proizvode

Izvor: X-Bit Labs i XtremeSystems

Hvala na odgovoru. :respekt:

Argh damn, nece ipak u smartphone segment, bas me zanima potrosnja kada udare konacno 28nm proizvodni proces...

Sudeći po svemu ovom kaj su predstavili proteklih dana, AMD je na dobrom putu da sljedeće godine (32nm procesori i 28nm kartice), napokon krene s novim listom.:)
Polako, ali sigurno se rješavaju svih problema i izlaze iz financijske krize i dugova u koje su upali kupnjom ATi-a.
Ostaje samo da vidimo kaj sve su u stanju pripremiti i plasirati na tržište - ideja im ne nedostaje.

Evo Brazos - Zacateovih (koliko vidim uparena dva Bobcata) brojki:

• AnandTech
• Tech Report
• PC Perspective
• Hot Hardware
• Legit Reviews

To sve stoji, samo stvar je u tome da npr meni uopće ne trebaju procesori intelove kvalitete. Sve što ja radim na kompu, su igrice internet i printanje. A za sve to, po meni većini ljudi ne treba intel. Intel je više za ljude koji imaju žešće poslove, i kojima stvarno trebaju tako jaki procesori. A za kućne korisnike, po meni AMD je idealan. Nit je preskup, nit previše zaostaje u performansama. I meni nije nikakav bad, biti svijestan da netko ima proc 20-30 posto jači od mog. Jer za ono što meni služi komp, meni je i više nego dovoljan bilo koji iz amd konkurencije a uz put rečeno i na svakoj kupnji novog proca i matične se osjetno uštedi. Normalno da netko tko razmišlja o parama, rađe kupuje amd, nego netko tko razmišlja o performansama taj sigurno kupuje intel. Al cijene intela su prenapuhane, osjetno više naplaćuju svoj rad nego amd i zato ih ne volim. AMD se trudi ugodit širokom broju kupaca, a ne samo onim iz high end grupe. To je samo moj stav, al oko kvalitete procesora je sve jasno intel je osjetno isprijed trenutno iako sve se to može lako okrenut u korist AMD-a. Samo stvar je u tome, da intel ima puno više love i da će AMD-u trebat vremena da to napravi. Al mene stvarno nije briga za intel, jer kažem nisam ljubitelj intela, AMD mi je baš po mjeri, i sigurno ću si kupit jedan od bulldozer procesora iduće godine. Znam da će cijena bit pristojna, i sigurno će me zadovoljit u performansama, a to što će intel imat opet neku zvijerčinu tipa 980x to me niti malo ne jebe. Jer intel svoju kvalitetu i trud, MASNO naplati! :chears:

ps.normalno teško je bit objektivan do kraja, kad me-i srce v-tuče k amd-u! :goood:

Bulldozer i Llano roadmap
 

AMD's next-generation PC processor architecture that seeks to challenge the best Intel has, codenamed "Bulldozer", is set to make its desktop PC debut in 2Q next year, with a desktop processor die codenamed "Zambezi". AMD is seeking to target all market segments, including an enthusiast-grade 8-core segment, a performance 6-core segment, and a mainstream 4-core segment. The roadmap reveals that Zambezi will make its entry with the enthusiast-grade 8-core models first, starting with 125W and 95W models, trailed by 6-core and 4-core ones.

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Another couple of architectural details revealed is that Zambezi's integrated memory controller (IMC) supports DDR3-1866 MHz as its standard memory type, just like Deneb supports DDR3-1333 MHz as its standard. DDR3-1866 MHz, or PC3-14900 as it's technically known, will churn out 29.8 GB/s in dual-channel mode, that's higher than triple-channel DDR3-1066 MHz (25.6 GB/s), which is Intel Core i7 LGA1366 processors' official memory standard. The 8-core and 6-core Zambezi models feature 8 MB of L3 cache, while the 4-core ones feature 4 MB. Another tidbit you probably already knew is that existing socket AM3 processors are forwards-compatible with AM3+ (Zambezi's socket), but Zambezi processors won't work on older AM3/AM2(+) socket motherboards.

Izvor: techPowerUp

Zanimljivo, a ja bas mislio uzeti neku AM3 plocu sa 890FX chipsetom i 3*16xPCIE, mislio raditi neke gluparije s grafickama, ali smirit cu se :)

Mogući radni taktovi i ostale detaljne specifikacije Bulldozer procesora
 

At the International Solid-State Circuits Conference (ISSCC) 2011 Advanced Micro Devices plans to reveal additional details about its code-named Bulldozer micro-architecture as well as implementations of forthcoming microprocessors on its base. Apparently, AMD's next-gen chips will be capable of working at over 3.50GHz, which is a quite high-speed, considering the fact that the central processing units (CPUs) will have up to eight cores. During an ISSCC session on the 21st of February, AMD will describe its dual-core processor module of eight-core Bulldozer microprocessor, according to the agenda on the web-site of the conference. During another session on the 22nd of February the company will describe implementation of its 8MB unified level-three cache of Bulldozer microprocessors. The presentations will be dedicated to ways of reducing die size, power consumption as well as improvements of yields. The description of the sessions shed more light onto the characteristics of AMD's implementation of Bulldozer micro-architecture on 32nm silicon-on-insulator process technology, which is known as code-named Orochi design (Zambezi is desktop version, Valencia is server version).

Each Bulldozer dual-core CPU module with 2MB unified L2 cache contains 213 million transistors and is 30.9mm2 large. By contrast, die size of one processing engine of Llano processor (11-layer 32nm SOI, K10.5+ micro-architecture) is 9.69mm² (without L2 cache), which indicates that AMD has succeeded in minimizing elements of its new micro-architecture so to maintain small size and production cost of the novelty. Bulldozer processor modules are designed to operate from 0.8V to 1.3V voltages at 3.50GHz+ clock-speed. It is unclear whether 3.50GHz is average clock-speed of the forthcoming Orochi processors or they will manage to work at significantly higher frequencies. Interestingly, but the level-three cache of Bulldozer may work at a clock-speed that is lower compared to the frequencies of CPU modules.

The Bulldozer's 8MB L3 cache is composed of four independent 2MB sub-caches and features column-select aliasing to improve area efficiency, supply gating and floating bit lines to reduce leakage power, and centralized redundant row and column blocks to improve yield and testability. The cache operates above 2.40GHz at 1.1V. Potentially, this may be an indicator that Orochi will work asynchronously. While presentations from ISSCC do not reveal precise peculiarities of future microprocessors, they give indicators which may reveal certain general qualities. For example, according to an ISSCC 2010 paper claims that the target CPU clock-speed of Llano, which is made using the same fabrication process as Orochi, is "higher than 3.0GHz". Indirectly this points to high-frequency/scaling design of Bulldozer.

Izvor: X-Bit Labs

Xbit labs uslikao prvu Zacate ITX ploču: GA-E350V-USB3

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Više informacija na X-bit Labs.

AMD-ovi planovi i strategije za Fusion proizvode
 

Usput su se raspričali o Fusion proizvodima i kud sve to vodi.:)

AMD Zacate mini-ITX Motherboards Preview
Više na: Bit-Tech

Interesantna mi je MSI ploča, baš me zanima kad i po kojoj cijeni bude to kod nas išlo. :)

Hm, a meni je puno privlačnija ona Asusica. Ima sve potrebno za ozbiljnu HTPC mašinu, što ni jedna druga ovdje prikazana nema. Jedino što će joj cijena biti paprena, ali predpostavljam da na bilo koju od ostalih ploča nakačiš eksterne wifi, bt i ostale adaptere bi dobio cijenu vrlo blizu onoj po kojoj će Asusica ići. Kad će kakva recenzija kod nas?? Poglavito me zanima kakve su gaming mogućnosti jednog takvog sistema, obzirom da neki poput mene baš i ne igraju neke nove naslove, nemaju 100 inča monitor već dobri stari 19 4:3, i ne pate za detaljima, pa da prodam ovo što imam i uzmem si nešto što troši ko upaljač a opet posluži za sve što mi treba.

hehe, cooler i heatsink me podjseća na prve serije Celerona. ah, nostalgije. :) asus mi izgleda odvratno, overkill kao i inače.

Jedna zanimljivost što se tiče Llano APUa. Naime nadolazeće AMD kartice: Turks i Caicos će imati 480sp i 160sp i biti će VLIW5... slučajno ili ne ?
Naime Beavercreek grafika u Llano X3/X4 također ima 480sp-ova. Ostaje samo da se vidi koliko sp-ova ima Winterpark ugrađen u Llano X2 ... s obzirom da će Caicos imati 160sp-ova. Znači, ukupno 960sp-ova u nekom CrossFireX-u ... dosta potentna budget gaming platforma.

Bulldozer 50% Faster than Core i7 and Phenom II
 

Izvor: techPowerUp

ASRock E350M1 Mini-ITX Motherboard
 

Slije i ostalo na: Techpowerup - ASRock Unveils E350M1 AMD Fusion ''Brazos'' Mini-ITX Motherboard

U Mikrolajnu mi vele da očekuju E350 ploče u prodaji krajem mjeseca.:)

The Brazos Review: AMD's E-350 Supplants ION for mini-ITX

Evo recenzije Brazos platforme u usporedbi sa Atomom i Ion kombinacijom. Mislim da je očiti pobjednik u tom segmentu. Jedino ga Via Nano X2 pere, ali teško da će se Nano naći na našem tržištu.