Ma htio sam reci da statistika podastire cinjenice iz kojih se uvijek mogu izvuci neki zakljucci.. Pod poklanjanje pola mislio sam na to da je realno pole osvojio (opet) Raikkonen no zbog izmjene motora je (opet) spusten za 10 mjesta... Sta se tice voznje slazem se da su svi troje vrhunski vozaci no mislim da je Montoya malo previse temperamentan (sto je uvijek dobro za gledatelje-zato ga i cijenim), Alonso je sklon kalkulaciji a Kimmi uvijek ide do kraja (uostalom vec je bio 2. na poredku vozaca 2003. godine sa 2 boda manje od MS i 7. s duplo vise bodova od Coultharda prosle godine kad je Mclaren bio los)...vrijeme ce pokazati koji ce od njih imati najvise uspijeha u karijeri no ja bi se kladio na Kimmija...

Bit ce on tamo jos godinu sigurno a mislim i jos koju poslije (pod uvijetom da Ferrari sljedece godine bude konkurentan) osim ako se ne zasiti...
Sta se tice nekog mladeg pa mislim da Barrichello nije imao neke rezultate-sad mozemo polemizirati o tome kako je bio drugi vozac i da nisu radili za njega no to i nije bitno, mislim da momcadi treba netko novi, svjezi, mladi s vecim potencijalom za napredak... A kad ode MS Ferrari ce uzeti onog vozaca koji tada bude najbolji kao sta su to i ucinili sa MS...
Sta se tice Barrichella njegova statistika od kad je u Ferrariju:
Plasman u ukupnom poretku vozaca:
2004.-2., 114 bodova (MS 144)
2003.-4., 65 bodova
2002.-2., 77 bodova
2001.-3., 56 bodova
2000.-4., 62 boda
Pobijede: 9

U pravilu je osvajao duplo manje bodova od MS. Samo 9 pobjeda (o polovima necemo jer bi to bilo zbilja porazavajuce) u 6 sezona u Ferrariju(od kojih je 5 sezona Ferrari imao vozackog svjetskog prvaka u vidu MS) je ipak premalo...(Usporedbe radi Montoya ih ima 6 , Raikkonen 7 , i Alonso 7 )

Ponavljam Montoya, Raikkonen i Alonso mozda nisu drugi vozaci u svojim momcadima no imaju jos jednog jednakog pored sebe, imao ga je i Hakkinen(o njegovih 20 pobjeda necemo) pa su vec uspijeli ostvariti vise od Rubensa, a usporedivati ga sa MS je grijeh ma sta itko mislio o MS!

eh uspjeli vise od rubensa vidio bi kako bilo tko od te trojice uspio i problizno koliko rubens da su oni sada u ferrariju dok shumi vozi,,,,,,,, naravno da rubens nis nemoze ae sjeti se samo sa je bilo u SAD-u prije par godina sa nie rubens imao utrku od pocetka pa sve do naredbe iz boksa da pusti ono smece njemacko do te utrke shumi mi je bio no.2 na ljestvici (no.1 je senna narafno) nakon toga je postao no.1 na crnoj top listi kreten idiotski to nie pobjeda to je sramota,,,,,,,

a statistika hah nie vazna totalno kakvu ces poziciju imat na startu bolid najvise odlucuje moras samo cisto odvozit i to je to narafno da kimi sada ima najbolju statistiku kada ima i najbolji bolid ai to nie vazno vazne su vozacke vjestine sa ce se vidjeti sljedece sezone ako uvedu nova pravila,,,,, neke stvari nikada nisu trebali mjenjati neke nikada uvoditi automatika je jedna od stvari koje nikada nisu trebali uvesti,,,,,,,

sada svaki start i sfe ide samo nogu na gas i komp sve ostalo odradi tu je traction control ono ovo pa vozac manje vise nis i neradi,,,,,, je da ima jos dosta toga ali to nie utrka bolidi im idu sami sa nie oke,,,,, prije je sve bilo puno puno bolje,,,,,, i sto prije vrate na staro to prije ce se vidjeti tko je a tko nie F1 vozac,,,,, a sto se tice kimija, alonsa, montoye kad se ta pravila uvedu Montoya je definitivno no.1

a shumi nekada je bio vozac ali odavno je presao s voznje u taktiku i u zadnijh par sezona na stazi je obilazio samo zaostale bolide a konkurenciju kroz boksove,,,,,,,

Mislim da se varaš. Sljedeće godine još nekoliko momčadi prelazi na Bridgestone. Razlog za veselje i tugu, pitanje je sad. :burn:

ma imaju oni sigurno pravu komponentu guma za sljedecu sezonu,,,,,

@speedy-3
Nebi se bas slozio da je upravljanje bolidima danas jednostavno ili lakse i da nemoras biti neki vozac jer takvo je misljenje imao i N. Lauda dok nije sjeo u proslogodisnji bolid i izvrtio se 3 puta u svakom krugu...danasnji bolidi imaju vise aerodinamickih dodataka i znatno brze prolaze kroz zavoje (sta im omogucuje i elektronika) no ukrotiti takvu masinu i sa svom "pomoci" je prilicno tesko,a nova pravila ce samo donjeti vecu mogucnost vozacke pogreske....

To sta je Barrichello pustio MS jednu utrku nije toliko bitno...MS-ova nadmoc se pokazuje u broju polova gdje Rubens nije kalkulirao niti morao pustati MS pa pogledaj koliki je omjer u korist MS u treninzima, a kad netko ima 65 polova i toliko pobjeda demantira sve kritike...Reci da je imao srecu ili sta ti ja znam sta mozes za nekoga tko je imao 10 pobjeda i 10 polova a ne za nekoga tko je srusio gotovo sve rekorde u F1!

aha ti bi po cinjenicama ??
efo ti par cinjenica

sezona 2004
MS ima dvostruko vise testnih sati u novom bolidu od rubensa, MSima novi bolid na prvih par utrka rubens je u starom, MS ima na raspolaganju sve bas sve sa je potrebno on je centar svijeta u ferrariju nitko drugi nepostoji,,,,,,, to skidanje rekorda heh mos mislit nek se sada dokaze,,,,,, jer ono nisu bile utrke a pool position je nevazan vozis jedan jedini krugu sam samcat na stazi,,,,,,, pa ono stvarno neznam sa ti mora bit u glavi da zajeb**** ako je s bolidom sfe oke,,,,

i da nisam je nie ni sada jednostavno voziti bolide ali opet automatski mjenjac, automatska korekcija putanje, gumb za borbu (daje vise snage kada ti treba) gumb za stednju goriva, gumb za ono gumb za ovo, vozaci mogu popravljati bolid dok se voze,,,,,,,,sve sa volana,,,,,,, i to je utrka???

kad vrate na ono sa je bilo prije to ce biti utrke,,,, prije je bila vazna samo vozacka vjestina,,,,,, bolid nie morao biti savrsen ili to je nesto znacilo si u punom ili praznom bolidu mogao si imat i bolid 200KS snazniji od ostalih ali to ti nis nie znacilo ako nisi znao vozit

sada u italiji najuzbudljiviji dio utrke je bio kada su se iz boksa izvezli jedan pored drugoga honda i BMW,,,,, to se nekada vidalo u samoj utrci na stazi i to cesto,,,,, a sada........ kad nemozem zaspat samo si pustim snimku F1 i to je to savrsena uspavanka,,,,,,,, zanimljivije je gledati engleze kako piju podnevni caj nego ovo sa se dans zove F1,,,,,

Evo jos cinjenica da nebi bilo nismo znali :D :

MS ulazi u F1 u dvanaestoj utrci sezone (VN Italije) 1991.godine kao drugi vozac i zamijena za Roberta Moronea (prvi vozac je bio N. Piquet) i vec u prvoj utrci dolazi na 5. mjesto ispred N. Piqueta (6.) za momcad Benetton-Ford koja je tada bila jedna od ostalih momcadi (tada su "cirkus" vodili Williams-Renault(R. Patrese i N. Mensel), Mclaren-Honda(A. Senna i G. Berger) i Ferrari(A. Prost i J. Alesi))...

Vec 1992. godine u eri Williams-Renaulta (10 pobjeda) i Mclaren-Honde(5 pobjeda) M. Schumacher ostvaruje svoju prvu pobjedu i prvu za Benetton na VN Belgije i pritom na stazi prolazi Mensela i Sennu...
Poredak vozaca te sezone:
1.N. Mensel Williams-Renault 108
2.R. Patrese Williams-Renault 56
3.M. SCHUMACHER Benetton-Ford 53
4.A. Senna Mclaren-Honda 50

1993. u fazi nadmetanja i dalje nadmocnog Williams-Renaulta(Prost i Hill) i Mclaren-Honde(Senna) M. Schumacher ostvaruje drugu pobijedu za Benetton-Ford na VN Portugala nakon sjajne borbe sa A. Prostom ispred kojeg pobjeduje za duzinu bolida....Sezonu zavrsava cetvrti iza svjetskog prvaka A. Prosta, A. Senne i D. Hilla...

U 1994. momcad Williams-Renaulta ulazi kao svjetski prvak te dovodi A. Sennu...M. Schumacher pobjeduje za Benetton Ford u prve dvije utrke koje A. Senna ne uspijeva zavrsiti. Isti u 3 utrci, na VN San Marina pogiba. U zestokoj borbi sa D. Hillom M. Schumacher sa 8 pobijeda biva prvi puta prvak svijeta... Ta je sezona poznata i po povratku N. Mensela u Williams (nakon Sennine smrti) i ulasku Peugeota u Mclaren s Hakkinenom...

1995. u Benetton ulazi Renault i M. Schumacher biva drugi puta svjetski prvak sa 9 pobijeda i gotovo duplo vise bodova od drugo plasiranog D. Hilla. U zadnje dvije sezone(1994. i 1995.) samo je jednom u kvalifikacijama bio ispod treceg mjesta...
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To su sezone sa rucnim mjenjacem i bez ovoliko elektronike....

da to je bilo doba kad je shumi bio zakon ali otkako je sve vise i vise automatike ulazilo u bolide on je nestao vise se upce nebori na stazi samo smislja strategije onakve ovakve da to rijesi kroz bokseve,,,,, zato ce sljedeca sezona biti zakon ako vrate sve kako je bilio i kako je ufjek trebalo biti,,,,,,,,, ili ce ovi mladi vozaci pokazat kako je vrijeme na njih ili ce ih ovi stari prizrmljit kad im pokazu kako se to prije radilo :):)

Ljudi brzo u kladionicu i stavite na Schumachera, u Belgiji pada KIŠA!!! :D :D :D

Bas sam jutros gledao utrke GP2 na Spa po pljusku...bilo je zanimljivo...malo SC, malo pretjecanja, puno izljetanja...
Spominje se mogucnost starta pod SC ako uvijeti ne dozvole normalni start.

e bilo bi dobro da kisa padne pa da Ferrari pokaze kako jos moze da se vidi kako su bolid i vozaci jos oke i da su Gume krive za sve,,,,,,

U bemti, prestala je kisa :fuming: -no josh je oblacno mora opet pocet padat. AJMO KIŠA, AJMO KIŠA!!! :D :D

Prasicko je zapoceo prijos sa rjecju MOLIM, joj kak mi ih se neda slusat!!! Poceo je drobiti o galicijskim teskim maglama i fleksericama-jao.

Nastavio je sa kravama(sa lijepim belgiskim kravama)-po njima se zna vrem.prognoza. :rambo:

SC, navala na boksove. Grdo je izgledalo izletanje Fisica. Ovo pase Michaelu.

Bemti Sata-hebi ga zato ga i volimo!-al sam zgubil na kladi :grrr:

Kako je glup ovaj Sato,teški kreten,pa treba mu doživotno zabraniti natjecanje u F1:fuming: :fuming:

Prasićko se skoro usrao od sreće kad je Montoya izletio:rolleyes:

Sato-san je najatraktivniji vozač u F1! Izbaciti ga samo zbog guranja onog traktora od ferarija sa staze bi bilo kretenoidno....
Učinio je Šumaheru uslugu izbacivši ga iz utrke; tzv. "kišni čovjek" bi se osramotio bez Bridgestoneove superiornosti nad Michelinom kad se govori o gumama za kišu...

A što se tiče sreće i nesreće, ova utrka je opet potvrdila kako Fernando zaista nema sreće...:rolleyes:

Sato je idiot, čovjek vozi koda je neki novak, a ne već iskusan vozač.
Od njega nikad neće bit ništa, i to baš mislim NIKAD.
Opet Alonsovo guzanje cijelu utrku.
Te propuštanje Kimmia od strane Montoye.

sato kamikaza i onaj pizzonia kak li vec biser u BMW-u istu su gluost napravili moroni glupi,,,,, a nie to sa kakava kisna utrka to je samo staza bila malo mokra nie to ni slicno onome sa bude kad je kisa,,,,,,
heh ono sa je Fisico napravio nemozem komentirat :)

Ma on je jedna obična kretenčina koja nema pojma vozit,stalno izlječe i sudara se,cirkusant obični,on je tebi najatraktivniji,ajd nemoj više blebetat takve gluposti:rolleyes:

ma joj, Speedy, daj oladi...

Schumacher je još uvijek najbolji vozač, neovisno što imaju lošu sezonu ove godine..

e sad to nekome ne paše, ali neka mi dadu argumente koji to pobijaju?

koliko je pogreški (vozačkih) napravio u utrci?
koliko je puta izletio zbog svoje kricice, a da ga nije netko gurnuo?

pa jebeni Raikkonen se izvrti uredno u svakoj utrci, a da ga nitko ni ne pipne, a gume su mu bolje nego na ferrariju...
nabrajao bih još ali mi se ne da tuć praznu slamu...

lololol....pogodio sam u živac, ha? :D

Ne,nego lupetaš gluposti:rolleyes:

ma naravno...:D

????????? a sa sam ja to sada rekao protiv njega ??????? samo sam kritizirao kretena Takumu sa se zabio bezveze u Shumiev bolid,,,,,,,

a to koliko je koji vozac jos dobar ili bolid vise radi za njega nego sto on sam zna voziti cemo vidjeti kada vrate sve na staro,,,,,,,, da je shumi bio strasan to svi znamo oke da nema kod njega takvih glupih greskica ali da je konj svoje vrste postao i to isto svi znaju,,,, i ono bas je lijepo sto ima ovako shebanu sezonu,,,,,,, i ono sa sam rekao da nie bila kisna utrka je isto islu u obranu shumiu i ferrariju jer da je kisa padala dok su oni vozili crveni vrag bi bio na postolju 100%

ma gore pišeš da vozač nema veze više u vožnji, da su bolidi, da se izrazim "automatizirani"...
na to sam mislio da nisi u pravu, a ne ono za schumahera. to je bilo općenito upućeno svima.

a da ja Sato kreten, što jest jest. ;)
samo ga lova drži u formuli... stvarno radi previše grešaka.. i najebu drugi zbog toga.

ne kažem ja da nema dobrih vozača, a kad se vrate "stara" pravila, ovi "mladi vozači" će se prvi pobuniti, jer nikad nisu vozili takve bolide... pa ćeš vidit onda raikkonena ili ovu ostalu ekipu od 22-23 godine...

Steta za Montoyu- drugi put u zadnje 3 utrke ista stvar...

Malo ste zabrijali to su sve odlicni vozaci koji ne voze od jucer:
Zivotopisi:

-Fernando Alonso Díaz
Born on July 29, 1981 in Oviedo, Spain, is a Spanish Formula One racing driver, currently living in Oxford.A native of Oviedo in the Asturias province of nothern Spain, Alonso is a long time veteran of karting; he won three Spanish Karting Titles (1994, 1996 and 1997); he was the World Junior Karting champion in 1996; and he raced in the European Kart championship, placing second.
In 1999, Alonso made the jump to open-wheel cars, racing the Spanish Nissan Open series. Then only 18 years old, he became the series champion, immediately earning him a ticket to Formula 3000 in 2000. A win at Spa-Francorchamps highlighted a very solid fourth place in the drivers championship, and Alonso was off for Formula One in 2001.Fernando Alonso has often been tipped as Michael Schumacher's natural successor. The young Spaniard does share some of Schumacher's most impressive attributes. Alonso is one of the few drivers capable of being on the pace every lap of every race and having a rare gift for driving around major problems while losing minimal lap time. However, Alonso is known more for his uniquely aggressive driving style.
Alonso was the third-youngest driver in F1 history to start a race when he made his debut with Minardi at the 2001 Australian Grand Prix. While the car was not highly competitive, Alonso did a sturdy job, occasionally out-qualifying better-equipped opponents, yet failed to score a point in his rookie season.
His driving talents earned him a spot with the newly-founded Renault team in 2002 as a test driver; the team groomed him to be a regular driver in 2003. With a much better car than in his first F1 stint, Alonso became the youngest driver ever to win a Formula One pole position at the 2003 Malaysian Grand Prix; he also became the youngest driver ever to win a Formula One race at the 2003 Hungarian Grand Prix. At season's end, he was a solid sixth in the championship, with 55 points and four podiums.
Alonso remained with Renault for the 2004 season, and although he did not win any race, Alonso did confirm his status as one of the leading drivers in Formula One. He ended the year a career-best fourth in the championship standings, scoring 59 points and four podiums. His performances in the latter races of the year were particularly noteworthy, as he comprehensively outpaced his new teammate (1997 World Champion Jacques Villeneuve, who replaced Jarno Trulli for the final three races of the season.)
Fernando's success has spawned "Alonsomania" in Spain, as he has become the country's first successful Formula One driver.
Championship qualifications:
# 2001 - Minardi-European - 0 wins, 0 points (finished unclassified)
# 2003 - Renault - 1 win, 55 points, 2 poles (finished 6th)
# 2004 - Renault - 0 wins, 59 points, 1 pole (finished 4th)

-Kimi Matias Räikkönen
born October 17, 1979 in Espoo, Finland), is a Formula One race car driver.
He had a long line of success in karting from the age of ten, including placing second in the 1999 European Formula Super A championship. He also competed that year in the Formula Ford Euro Cup, and by the age of twenty, he had won the Formula Renault Winter series, winning the first four races of the year. In 2000, he dominated the British Renault Championship, where he won seven of ten events. After racing in the Formula Renault series later in 2000, Räikkönen had won an astounding 13 of 23 events -- a 56% win rate.
Räikkönen, long rumoured to be linked to a future Ferrari deal, instead sufficiently impressed McLaren, earning a race seat on Ron Dennis's team for 2002, replacing double-world champion (and fellow Finn) Mika Häkkinen.
Räikkönen scored a third-place podium finish in his first race with McLaren, the 2002 Australian Grand Prix. Although McLaren suffered many Mercedes engine failures in 2002, he still managed to score 24 points and four podiums, and held his own to teammate David Coulthard. Räikkönen came close to winning his first grand prix in France, but spun out on oil spilled on the Magny-Cours circuit with a handful of laps to go, settling for second place. All told, he finished the season in sixth place, right behind his teammate in fifth; together, they enabled McLaren to a solid third place in the constructor chase.
Räikkönen began the 2003 campaign in spectacular fashion, reaching the podium in five out of the first six races. He won his first race during this span, the 2003 Malaysian Grand Prix, and thought he had won in Brazil as well, only to be demoted to second place in the wake of a rain-drenched, red-flagged race. He also came extremely close to winning the famed street circuit of Monaco, but lost by less than a second to (future teammate) Juan Pablo Montoya. The 2003 season would prove to be the closest campaign in years, with Räikkönen still mathematically alive at the final race. But 2003 would not be his year, as he settled for second place to Michael Schumacher. Also, McLaren narrowly lost second place in the constructor championship, finishing a meager two points behind Williams.
The 2004 season began in quite dismal fashion for both Räikkönen and McLaren, as he only claimed a single point through the first four races. His McLaren suffered repeated breakdowns, allowing him to complete just two of the first seven events. Toward the middle of the season, though, McLaren switched to their new MP4-19B chassis and had made a partial recovery by end of the year. Räikkönen scored his third ever pole position at McLaren's home grand prix at Silverstone, and he also claimed his second ever victory in Belgium. He ended the year a respectable seventh, with 45 points and four podiums.
Despite the disappointment of the 2004 season, Räikkönen is still seen as one of the rising stars of the sport, along with Renault's Fernando Alonso, Sauber's Felipe Massa, and 2005 McLaren teammate Montoya. Many pundits expect 2005 to be filled with great on-track battles from a resurgent squad in Woking. Ross Brawn still fondly refers to Räikkönen as a driver whom Ferrari might consider in the future.
On July 31, 2004, at 24 years of age, Räikkönen married 22-year-old Jenni Dahlman, 2000 Miss Scandinavia.
In early November 2004, Räikkönen announced his intention to create a racing team with his manager Steve Robertson, to be entitled Räikkönen Robertson Racing, which would compete in Formula 3 in 2005.
Championship qualifications:
# 2001: 9th, 9 points, 0 wins, 0 poles, 0 fastest laps (Sauber Petronas)
# 2002: 6th, 24 points, 0 wins, 0 poles, 1 fastest lap (West McLaren Mercedes)
# 2003: 2nd, 91 points, 1 win, 2 poles, 3 fastest laps (West McLaren Mercedes)
# 2004: 7th, 45 points, 1 win, 1 pole, 1 fastest lap (West McLaren Mercedes)

-Juan Pablo Montoya
born September 20, 1975) is a Colombian Formula One motor racing driver.
Montoya began racing karts in 1981 at the young age of six, and by age nine he won the Children's National Kart Championship. In 1986, he won the junior division of the National Championship. For the next three years, he won many local and national titles in the Kart Komet Division. Montoya capped off his spectacular karting career by winning the Kart Junior Championships in 1990 and 1991.
Montoya moved to the Copa Formula Renault Series in 1992. The same year, he also participated in a U.S. series operated by Skip Barber. 1993 saw Montoya switch to the Swift GTI Championship, a series he dominated by winning seven of eight races. The following year, 1994, was a very busy year for the 19-year-old Colombian, as it saw him race in three separate series: the Sudam 125 Karting, USA Barber Saab, and Formula N in Mexico (a series in which he won the title). As his success continued year after year, Montoya came to be known for his uncanny ability to win pole positions (as well as races), in some cases taking 80% of a season's poles.
For the next three years, Montoya raced in various divisions, continually progressing upward. He raced in the 1995 British Formula Vauxhall Championship, and he won the 1996 British Formula 3 crown, as well as taking part in events in Zandvoort, Netherlands and at Silverstone. In 1997, while driving in the Formula 3000 series, Montoya's manager, David Sears, brought Montoya to the attention of the Williams F1 team, which signed him to a multi-year testing contract.
The championships continued to roll in, as Montoya won the FIA International Formula 3000 Championship. The next year, Williams sent Montoya to America to compete in the 1999 CART tournament, where he won the championship in his rookie season. He won seven races that year, secured seven pole positions, and at the age of 24, was the youngest driver ever to win the series. The following year, his team, Chip Ganassi Racing, struggled because they made the switch to Toyota engines, and he finished a disappointing ninth in the Championship — despite these struggles, he still won an amazing seven pole positions. He also claimed victory in the 2000 Indianapolis 500, the only year he participated in the event. He became the first driver (since Graham Hill in 1966) to win at Indy on his first attempt.
Montoya made his Formula One debut for the BMW-powered Williams team on March 4, 2001 at the Australian Grand Prix. Less than a month later, he shocked Michael Schumacher — and the F1 world — in Brazil by overtaking the World Champion on a daring move. Montoya was on course to win the race when he collided with a backmarker. In his first season in F1 Montoya established himself as a favourite with fans and commentators as a natural racer. Although Williams struggled with reliability that year, Montoya nevertheless won three pole positions, stood on several podiums, and claimed his maiden F1 victory at the 2001 Italian Grand Prix at Monza.
In 2002, Montoya had the best year of any driver -- except, of course, for Ferrari teammates Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello, who dominated the season by winning 15 of 17 races. But Montoya's star shone brighter than the rest of the pack, as he claimed third place in the drivers championship. More noticeably, he won a breathtaking seven pole positions that year, despite Ferrari's dominance. In 2002, qualifying was still conducted using the former 12-lap format, and Montoya would repeatedly stun the paddock by snatching pole from the scarlet team on his last flying lap, often with minutes or seconds to spare.
In 2003, he added the prestigious Monaco Grand Prix on the famed street circuit to his victory list, as well as the German Grand Prix at the Hockenheimring. Montoya was a championship contender in one of the most closely contested campaigns in years, eventually finishing third behind Schumacher and (future teammate) Kimi Räikkönen. His championship hopes remained alive until the penultimate round of the season at the 2003 USGP, where he collided with Barrichello and was penalized by the stewards and forced for a drive through penalty(no changing tyres or refuelling just drive in pit lane), dashing any remaining championship hope; he reportedly refused to speak to the media afterwards for several days.
2004 was a disappointing year for Montoya, as he struggled with a radically new front nose assembly and senior staff of the Williams team, not too keen on working with a driver that had already signed to drive with the competition for 2005. After early season promise faded, the Colombian was frequently left struggling to score points, but everything came together for him at the very last race for Williams when he won the 2004 Brazilian Grand Prix, his fourth career victory in Formula One. Because the race at Interlagos marked Montoya's last race with Williams, he went out on a high note with the team.
Championship qualifications
# 2001: 6th, 31 points, 1 win, 3 poles (Williams)
# 2002: 3rd, 50 points, 0 wins, 7 poles (Williams)
# 2003: 3rd, 82 points, 2 wins, 1 pole (Williams)
# 2004: 5th, 58 points, 1 win, 0 poles (Williams)

e pa to sam ja i mislio na to kako su bolidi "automatizirani" vozacko iskustvo ovdje znaci gotovo nista nemoraju se oni mucit da bi nekoga obisli ili neznam

evo sa je vilnev izjavio kako si na spa prije trebao imat muda da na onom djelu staze vozis full gasom a sada svi lete tako bez bada,,,,,,,,,

ma sto prije stara pravila da se oni utrkuju a ne nadmudruju tu sve taktike odlucuju umjesto konstruktorkih trebali bi naslov za takticare staviti :)

Svi pričaju ''što prije stara pravila to bolje''....i kaj bu onda....ništ isto ko i danas...nama više vraćanja na kuplung i ručno mjenjanje....bilo pa prošlo. To kaj oni (FIA, Bernie i ostatak ekipe) pričaju, da se bu većina elektronike izbacila iz bolida, to su priče za malu decu. Istina bog nakaj se bu izabcilo, ali ništ ekstremnog. Sve budu rekli i napravili samo da privlečeju čim više sponzora (para) i unesu čim više ''napetosti'' u utrke. Evo jučer je Montoya bil prvi od samog početka da bi ga onda Raikkonen ''prešel kroz boksove''. Ma sve je to dogovoreno i prije nego je Čarli dal znak za početak utrke. Tipovi u McLarenu su si to lepo zgrunatli...Montoya prvi skoro do kraja i onda ga Raikkonen ''prejde kroz boksove''.....oni prvi dva na postolju, a Alonsu treći, ako ne i četvrti i evo Raikkonenu (i McLarenu) bodova....ma da nebi...još bi im i prešlo samo da se Montoya nije zvrtel (trebal se Raikkonen, njemu je to i onak već v naviki). BTW kaj se tiče starih pravila i nihovom vraćanju: ove godine svi imaju 3.0 literne V10 motore koji se više/manje vrte na 19.000 okr/m, a sljedeće godine budu imali 2.4 literne V8 motore koji se budu vrteli na 24.000 okr/m (bar se na tolko vrti Hondin testni)...uglavnom prek 20.000 okr/m idu sigurno.

Bez DRASTIČNIH promjena, teško da ću usporiti bolide... isto je bilo i ove sezone... motori koji moraju držat dvije utrke, ne mijenjanje guma, aerodinamika...

i što smo dobili. bolide koji su brži nego prošle godine bez restrikcija...

Tehnologija F1 je prebrza da bi se samo tako ograničila...

elektroniku sumnjam da će skinuti jer bi to značilo smanjenu sigurnost, a to ovi likovi neće pustiti... maknut će samo neke sitnice, niš šta će značiti nekakvo ograničenje, već će oni to nekako nadoknaditi...

uopce nije potrebno usporit bolide nego ih napraviti tako da nije svaka sitnica vazna je imas kap vise ili manje goriva u spremniku pa sad odmah nemos obici bolid ispred sebe, manje elektronike da vozaci voze da se bore na stazi a ne da sve taktika odreduje,,,,,, ove utrke su predosadne,,,,, jos uvijek nisam vidio nista zanimljivije od onog izlaska iz boksa honde i bmw-a kotac do kotaca,,,,,, negada su takve scene bile normalan i cest prizor na samoj stazi a sada.........

količina goriva u rezervoaru baš i nije takva "sitnica"...
o kakvoj "elektronici" govoriš (molim konkretno)?
utrke nisu zanimljive? usporedi prošlu i ovu sezonu...:rolleyes:

usporedi ovu sezonu sa sezonama do 2000 godine, do tada je bila prava stvar. Pa sjeti se samo Hilla i Schumija, prije Senna i Prost, i ne samo vodecih dvojaca, pa na tim utrkama je bilo sveukupno do 20-ak preticanja po stazi i više!!! Da upravo to utrke nisu zanimljive kao što su nekoć bile, istina je da je ova sezona zanimljivija ali da se razumije to nije ni blizu kako je nekoć bilo! Mislim neznam kolko dugo pratiš formulu ali ako si je prije pratio nevidim kako možeš govoriti da je ovo zanimljivo.

Nije F1 ono kaj je bila, niti ikad bude.....moreju oni kemijat kaj hoćeju, bolid onakav, motor takav i razna ostala sranja...

hmmmm, zanimljivi su bili oni dani celerona 300, ploča prepunih jumpera, "homemade" hlađenje itd.... Danas svaki n00b pročita neki tutorial, ode u dućan kupiti zalmana/frizera, dvaput klikne mišem i postane hardcore kloker...:rolleyes:

Shvaćaš što hoću reći?

Pratim F1 od '94 (Schummi i Benneton u Monte Carlu....prva utrka koju sam videl) i meni je svaka sezona zanimljiva (na ovaj ili onaj način). F1 sam pratil i dok su svi ostali kenjali kak je to dosadno, kak to ništ ne valja i razne druge gluposti. Pratil bum ju i dalje, pa makar bila ''dosadna i nezanimljiva''.....Eto toliko.

svi vi pričate o bolidima i elektronici, a o djeci od 16-18 godina koji ovdje pametuju o formuli, neću uopće trošiti riječi.

nego, da se vratim..

a je li ikome palo na pamet da su utrke dosadne jer su i današnje staze preuređene do te mjere da moraš bit invalid da bi izletio i udario u nešto!
pojedine staze su široke i po 30METARA, zone izlijetanja asfalatirane, svi zavoji su u detalje izbalansirani, točni nagib, bla bla...
nema više vožnje na uskim stazama, kada je i zaobilaženje bolida predstavljalo problem..

staze su PREŠIROKE