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Teško da će se grijat puno vise od mog gtx280. Moj gtx sa doticna 3 venta se ne čuje. Doslovno se ne čuje. :)

Rekli bi - ajde da i to "čujemo". :D:chears: Ajd,ruku na srce,automatski fan control u skladu sa temperaturama je bar tu kod GTS250tke,pa se ne vrte oba na 2000 rpm.

Moram priznati da nisam također ljubitelj ovakvih rješenja,em pušu topao zrak u kućište,em su glasni (u usporedbi sa 5850 koja kao da spava,pored njih).

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Priced at around €300

Some of European e-tailers/retailers have jumped the gun and have listed Nvidia's upcoming Geforce GTX 460 card. Unfortunately, the specifications are scarce at the moment and neither one of those shops have the precise clocks, or any other information for that matter.

The only info regarding the specs of the card is that it supports DirectX 11 and that it has 1024MB of memory. The good side is that we now have the price of the card, or at least an average price that you should see in Europe once this card shows up. The listed GTX 460 card hovers around €300, and while some shops are listing it for as low as €284 others go as high as €332,36.

This price puts the upcoming GTX 460 in direct competition with the HD 5850, and all we need now is to see if the performance is on level with this price. The stores that are listing these cards will certainly get an angry call from Nvidia reps and in that case we have a screenshot ready, as those things makes us quite happy.

Some shops are bold enough to say that the card will be available in next 4 to 7 work days while other are more realistic with availability date set at 10 to 20 work days.

You can find the listings here, here and another here.

Fudzilla.com

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/...c_sli_review/1

Galaxy GeForce GTX 470 GC SLI Review
GTX470 s nereferentnim hladnjakom . 12c bolja temp i dosta tiša od ref. modela.

http://www.links.hr/index.php?naziv=...kl=051.803.685

još malo popularnih cijena. Stvarno nisu normalni. 500$ ta grafa košta u US ,duplo manje .

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Autor MAGARAC (Post 1643326)

http://www.links.hr/index.php?naziv=...kl=051.803.685

još malo popularnih cijena. Stvarno nisu normalni. 500$ ta grafa košta u US ,duplo manje .

Što se sjekiraš kad si možeš uzeti jaču i hladniju HD5970 za manje šoldi :D

http://www.nabava.net/sapphire-ati-r...b__58289_p.php

šta je sa 460? vele do 300$,to bi mogla bit dostojna zamjena za 260

Jel ima kakav link sa trenutnim ati vs nvidia clankom?

Onako kvalitetan da pise sto trenutno nudi ati sto nvidia te usporedba ovih najjacih modela...te koje je misljenje autora...stavovi...sto kupiti??

Treba mi za jedan projekt...dakle ne recenzije jedne kartice nego bas onako fermi vs te atice??

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Autor SetH (Post 1643433)

šta je sa 460? vele do 300$,to bi mogla bit dostojna zamjena za 260

pričalo se o nekakvom roku sredinom lipnja. 300$ je 300€ u europi, pa ukoliko ćemo se držati stare ideologije, takva će joj biti cijena.

Nvidija je rekla da će joj glavni oponent biti 5850 i 5830. A 5850 su po 1800+ kn. IMHO, ne bude jeftinija od 2000kn, pogotovo kad izađu sa aftermarket coolerima. no živi bili pa vidjeli. Trenutno GTX 460 i njezin skoriji izlazak su mi odgodili kupnju 5850. budemo se još malo strpili.

Pa ak će se pratit trend cijena onda će gtx 460 sigurno bit oko 2300 kn, kad izađe naravno.

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Autor ThePornstar (Post 1644200)

Pa ak će se pratit trend cijena onda će gtx 460 sigurno bit oko 2300 kn, kad izađe naravno.

Znaci kao i 5850 sa znatno slabijim performansama i vjerovatno isto grijanjem do pakla... Daleko je sve to od g92 omjera performansi ulozeno/dobiveno unazad par godina...
Koji je najmanji rok u kojemu mozemo ocekivati novu liniju od nvidie? prva polovica druge godine?

kao što rekoh, najavljena je za sredinu lipnja. pred tjedan-dva.

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Autor Alfa_R (Post 1644245)

Za grijanje neznam, ostalo mislim da će bit tak.

Nvidia GeForce GTX 465 Tested by Chinese Site

Da se nadovežemo malo jednim člankićem :)

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A new addition to the Fermi family coming soon.

It's been no well-kept secret, and now we see early, semi-real evidence that there will soon be a new addition to the Fermi family.
A GeForce GTX 460 with 1GB RAM has been spotted on several European e-tailer websites.
Now adding to that today is a discovery of a GeForce GTX 465 benchmarked on Chinese website eNet. According to the report, the GTX 460 was renamed to 465 because Nvidia is saving the 460 number for a GF104 part, while the 465 is still using the same GF100 as the current Fermi chips on the market.
What sets this GTX 465 example apart from the GTX 470 already on the market is that there are 352 stream processors, 1GB of RAM, and a 256-bit memory interface, while the GTX 470 has 448 stream processors, 1280MB of RAM, and a 320-bit interface.
The GTX 465 keeps the same 607MHz GPU and 1,215MHz shader clock, but it has an effective 3,206MHz clock for the GDDR5 memory, which is down from the 3,348MHz on the GTX 470.
From its benchmarks, eNet says that the GTX 465 is "slightly faster" than an ATI Radeon HD 5870 running Far Cry 2, but it was "significantly slower" than an ATI Radeon HD 5830 in Crysis Warhead, and it performed somewhere in between an ATI Radeon HD 5850 and 5870 in Unigine Heaven benchmark.
Early European pricing suggests that this card could launch at around $300. Hopefully we'll know more by the time Computex rolls around next month.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gtx...104,10407.html

jooooj, koji će ovo biti precijenjeni šrot.

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Autor McG (Post 1644303)

The performance of GeForce GTX 465 had leaked - ništ posebno od kartice.

a joj a joj. Cijena veća od 5850, a performance će joj bit kao 5830. Uraaaaa.

Ma mlate praznu slamu, ne bi li tobož složili neki model kartice za srednji tržišni segment.

Nego, vidim fermi je aktualan, a posto svi vidimo kako je " jeftin, hladan , malo trosi" dali imaju kakva saznanja kad nvidia planira izbaciti novu seriju grafi?Mozd malo uranjeno pitanje ,al cisto me zanima, posto ce velika vecina preskociti Fermi.

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Autor McG (Post 1644520)

Ma mlate praznu slamu, ne bi li tobož složili neki model kartice za srednji tržišni segment.

Pa po performancama će bit središnji segment, to sigurno... ali ne i po cijeni, ako će to bit cijena kako su rekli. Vjerojatno su se uvjerili da su oni ipak NVidia - resistance is futile :D

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Autor xulos (Post 1644527)

Mislim da nebu niš skoro novo, vidiš da su jedva ovo sklepali. I još dobro debelo kasnili. Bit će novo kad nabave kakav monolith is 2001. odiseje u svemiru :D

Najprije trebaju izdati kartice koje budu pokrivale sve dijelove tržišta, a oni zasad imaju samo dvije koje pokrivaju high-end. Tek onda (pod pretpostavkom da im je do zarade i da ih ne financira Lex Luthor:D, pa im je novac najmanji problem) mogu ići s novom generacijom. S tim da se ta već sad treba lagano finalizirati, pogotovo ako se zna da je AMD-ATi već nakon HD 2900 počel raditi na karticama koje sad prodaju. Naravno, nVidia može sve to fino odyebati, popušiti silne novce i odma krenuti s novom generacijom kartica, tak da syebe AMD-ATi krajem ove i početkom sljedeće godine, ali kolko to ima smisla i kolko je pametno - nema i nije.:)

http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/201...-timeline.html

"Our first 256 based driver is planned to post to nvidia.com on May 24th and will enable new SLI setup controls and improve performance on several key applications for GTX 400 GPUs."

Da, ali ti driveri koliko god bili ispeglani, neće moć smanjit potrošnju i termalnu disipaciju koje ti roštilji proizvode.

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Autor McG (Post 1644520)

Ma mlate praznu slamu, ne bi li tobož složili neki model kartice za srednji tržišni segment.

Sa cijenom preko 2000kn to je kartica za sve osim za srednji tržišni segment :D

Ti driveri su odavno već trebali izaći, čak i paralelno sa izlaskom Fermia, ali su imali dosta problema sa stabilnošću sustava u kombinaciji s tim driverima. Ne bih se čudio da ih opet odgode. Inače, najviše ih se očekuje zbog nove 3D Surround (2x470/480GTX + 3x120HZ LCD monitora) opcije koja će se dobiti u CP-u.

Začudili bi se koliko ekipe ima taj setup već složen samo kaj "jadni" nemaju drivere da ga upogone. :D

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Autor Matth€w (Post 1644799)

Ti driveri su odavno već trebali izaći, čak i paralelno sa izlaskom Fermia, ali su imali dosta problema sa stabilnošću sustava u kombinaciji s tim driverima.

To mi nije jasno. Ako je glavni problem fermia bio premali yield, mogli su napisati drivere u tih nekoliko mjeseci čekanja.

Baš me zanima na koje se to key applications odnosi :)

Bila je gtx470 dva dana kod mene.
Temperature nisu toliki problem i sa 66% venta se igra u niskim 70tima bez prevelike buke. S automatskom regulacijom temp. u igrama je u niskim 80tima.
Ovaj primjerak se na stock voltaži koloka do 720mhz ali je memorija u banani totalno i oc joj je minimalni.
Priče o lošoj utilizaciji u ovim igrama(bf2,jc,metro i cop) ne stoje,svugdje je bila oko 95%.
Priče o legendarnom minimalnom fps su mit i u usporedbi sa 5870 minimum je isti ili slabiji .Recimo da u BF2 pati isto i na istim mjestima kao i 5870 ali prosječno ide s desetak fps manje.
Generalno 5870 je brža grafa.U BF2 i JC2 preko 20%,u Metrou 10% a u Stalkeru od 20% do 0% ,ovisno o postavkama.
Max oc s 1.087v je 860mhz,za 24/7 je 800mhz i 1.0v gdje grafa postaje puno konkurentnija.

http://www.imagesforme.com/show.php/...8_DSC00096.JPG

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Nvidia Shipped 400 Thousand Fermi-Class Chips – Analyst.

An independent analyst has confirmed that Nvidia Corp., a leading supplier of graphics and multimedia chips, has shipped hundreds of thousands Fermi-generation graphics processors. According to Jon Peddie, the head of Jon Peddie Research, Nvidia so far has shipped 400 thousand Fermi-generation chips.
“My estimate is Nvidia has shipped over 400 thousand [Fermi processors] as Tesla and Gefore units. The shipment numbers ‘to date’. Nvidia shipped a lot to OEMs, loads of Tesla versions since the announcement in Boston in March,” said Jon Peddie in a conversation with X-bit labs.
Earlier high-ranking Nvidia executives said that the company had shipped hundreds of thousands Fermi-class graphics processors. At present those chips are all based on the code-named GF100 (NV60, GT300) design, which is so complex that many analyst estimated that the yields of such chips was between 20% and 30%. Nvidia claims that its yields were higher than expected.
“Yields of our high-end, Fermi-based GPUs were much higher than expected, leading to good availability of our new GeForce GTX 480 and 470 GPUs and Tesla high-performance computing products,” said David White, chief financial officer of Nvidia, during the latest quarterly conference call with analysts.
Analyst Jon Peddie claims that the problems with yields are over for Nvidia. It has to be noted that in order to achieve those yields, Nvidia had to cut down the number of GF100’s stream processors from 512 to 480 on GeForce GTX 480 graphics board and to 448 on GeForce GTX 470 and Tesla C2050 add-in-cards.
“I think most of Nvidia's problems are behind and they are back on track. You will see a whole slew of derivative products in the next few months,” said Mr. Peddie.
Even though Nvidia celebrates the vast amount of Fermi-class graphics chips shipped, many questions regarding business side of the achievement remain. The GF100 – in both GeForce and Tesla versions – is by any definition a premium product, which drives up revenues, profits and margins. Nevertheless, it does not look that Fermi was actually a breakthrough for the company’s business.
In the first quarter of fiscal 2011 Nvidia posted 2% quarter-over-quarter revenue growth as well as 0.9% gross margin growth. The company recorded net income of $137.6 million, or $0.23 per diluted share, for the Q1 FY2011, compared to $131.1 million, or $0.23 per diluted share, in the Q4 FY2010. The company indicated that during the first quarter if fiscal 2011 the GPU business was flat, Quadro business was on the rise (there are no Fermi-based Quadro at the moment) and Tesla business achieved record revenue.
As it can be observed, despite of shipping around 400 thousand premium GF100 graphics processors, the company did not see any tangible improvements either in profitability or margins. Obviously, Nvidia is losing chipset market share rapidly and throughout the whole Q1 FY2011 it probably has been losing share on the market of discrete graphics processors. As a result, the GF100 chip as well as increasing sales of high-margin Nvidia Quadro solutions helped Nvidia to offset declines in the core-logic and GPU businesses in terms of revenue, however, it does not look like the company managed to earn a lot more than in the previous quarter.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...s_Analyst.html

Cool, ajde ovo mi se sviđa, baš ono, tanka pila...ali me temp zabrinjavaju :D

Bojim se zamislit zelene za 2-3 generacije kartica :nono: