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McG	14.05.2010. 21:53

Najprije trebaju izdati kartice koje budu pokrivale sve dijelove tržišta, a oni zasad imaju samo dvije koje pokrivaju high-end. Tek onda (pod pretpostavkom da im je do zarade i da ih ne financira Lex Luthor:D, pa im je novac najmanji problem) mogu ići s novom generacijom. S tim da se ta već sad treba lagano finalizirati, pogotovo ako se zna da je AMD-ATi već nakon HD 2900 počel raditi na karticama koje sad prodaju. Naravno, nVidia može sve to fino odyebati, popušiti silne novce i odma krenuti s novom generacijom kartica, tak da syebe AMD-ATi krajem ove i početkom sljedeće godine, ali kolko to ima smisla i kolko je pametno - nema i nije.:)

Tumor

15.05.2010. 09:19

http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/201...-timeline.html

"Our first 256 based driver is planned to post to nvidia.com on May 24th and will enable new SLI setup controls and improve performance on several key applications for GTX 400 GPUs."

Brko	15.05.2010. 11:23

Da, ali ti driveri koliko god bili ispeglani, neće moć smanjit potrošnju i termalnu disipaciju koje ti roštilji proizvode.

Dizel

15.05.2010. 12:35

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Autor McG (Post 1644520)

Ma mlate praznu slamu, ne bi li tobož složili neki model kartice za srednji tržišni segment.

Sa cijenom preko 2000kn to je kartica za sve osim za srednji tržišni segment :D

Matth€w

15.05.2010. 14:16

Ti driveri su odavno već trebali izaći, čak i paralelno sa izlaskom Fermia, ali su imali dosta problema sa stabilnošću sustava u kombinaciji s tim driverima. Ne bih se čudio da ih opet odgode. Inače, najviše ih se očekuje zbog nove 3D Surround (2x470/480GTX + 3x120HZ LCD monitora) opcije koja će se dobiti u CP-u.

Začudili bi se koliko ekipe ima taj setup već složen samo kaj "jadni" nemaju drivere da ga upogone. :D

generic

15.05.2010. 14:42

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Autor Matth€w (Post 1644799)

Ti driveri su odavno već trebali izaći, čak i paralelno sa izlaskom Fermia, ali su imali dosta problema sa stabilnošću sustava u kombinaciji s tim driverima.

To mi nije jasno. Ako je glavni problem fermia bio premali yield, mogli su napisati drivere u tih nekoliko mjeseci čekanja.

Baš me zanima na koje se to key applications odnosi :)

MAGARAC

15.05.2010. 18:49

Bila je gtx470 dva dana kod mene.
Temperature nisu toliki problem i sa 66% venta se igra u niskim 70tima bez prevelike buke. S automatskom regulacijom temp. u igrama je u niskim 80tima.
Ovaj primjerak se na stock voltaži koloka do 720mhz ali je memorija u banani totalno i oc joj je minimalni.
Priče o lošoj utilizaciji u ovim igrama(bf2,jc,metro i cop) ne stoje,svugdje je bila oko 95%.
Priče o legendarnom minimalnom fps su mit i u usporedbi sa 5870 minimum je isti ili slabiji .Recimo da u BF2 pati isto i na istim mjestima kao i 5870 ali prosječno ide s desetak fps manje.
Generalno 5870 je brža grafa.U BF2 i JC2 preko 20%,u Metrou 10% a u Stalkeru od 20% do 0% ,ovisno o postavkama.
Max oc s 1.087v je 860mhz,za 24/7 je 800mhz i 1.0v gdje grafa postaje puno konkurentnija.

http://www.imagesforme.com/show.php/...8_DSC00096.JPG

Doink the Clown

15.05.2010. 21:48

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Nvidia Shipped 400 Thousand Fermi-Class Chips – Analyst.

An independent analyst has confirmed that Nvidia Corp., a leading supplier of graphics and multimedia chips, has shipped hundreds of thousands Fermi-generation graphics processors. According to Jon Peddie, the head of Jon Peddie Research, Nvidia so far has shipped 400 thousand Fermi-generation chips.
“My estimate is Nvidia has shipped over 400 thousand [Fermi processors] as Tesla and Gefore units. The shipment numbers ‘to date’. Nvidia shipped a lot to OEMs, loads of Tesla versions since the announcement in Boston in March,” said Jon Peddie in a conversation with X-bit labs.
Earlier high-ranking Nvidia executives said that the company had shipped hundreds of thousands Fermi-class graphics processors. At present those chips are all based on the code-named GF100 (NV60, GT300) design, which is so complex that many analyst estimated that the yields of such chips was between 20% and 30%. Nvidia claims that its yields were higher than expected.
“Yields of our high-end, Fermi-based GPUs were much higher than expected, leading to good availability of our new GeForce GTX 480 and 470 GPUs and Tesla high-performance computing products,” said David White, chief financial officer of Nvidia, during the latest quarterly conference call with analysts.
Analyst Jon Peddie claims that the problems with yields are over for Nvidia. It has to be noted that in order to achieve those yields, Nvidia had to cut down the number of GF100’s stream processors from 512 to 480 on GeForce GTX 480 graphics board and to 448 on GeForce GTX 470 and Tesla C2050 add-in-cards.
“I think most of Nvidia's problems are behind and they are back on track. You will see a whole slew of derivative products in the next few months,” said Mr. Peddie.
Even though Nvidia celebrates the vast amount of Fermi-class graphics chips shipped, many questions regarding business side of the achievement remain. The GF100 – in both GeForce and Tesla versions – is by any definition a premium product, which drives up revenues, profits and margins. Nevertheless, it does not look that Fermi was actually a breakthrough for the company’s business.
In the first quarter of fiscal 2011 Nvidia posted 2% quarter-over-quarter revenue growth as well as 0.9% gross margin growth. The company recorded net income of $137.6 million, or $0.23 per diluted share, for the Q1 FY2011, compared to $131.1 million, or $0.23 per diluted share, in the Q4 FY2010. The company indicated that during the first quarter if fiscal 2011 the GPU business was flat, Quadro business was on the rise (there are no Fermi-based Quadro at the moment) and Tesla business achieved record revenue.
As it can be observed, despite of shipping around 400 thousand premium GF100 graphics processors, the company did not see any tangible improvements either in profitability or margins. Obviously, Nvidia is losing chipset market share rapidly and throughout the whole Q1 FY2011 it probably has been losing share on the market of discrete graphics processors. As a result, the GF100 chip as well as increasing sales of high-margin Nvidia Quadro solutions helped Nvidia to offset declines in the core-logic and GPU businesses in terms of revenue, however, it does not look like the company managed to earn a lot more than in the previous quarter.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...s_Analyst.html

JuiceBox

17.05.2010. 14:27

A gle ovaj kalorifer Galaxy Readies Single-Slot GeForce GTX 470 Graphics Card :

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U loadu + 100 garant

Halos

17.05.2010. 14:32

Cool, ajde ovo mi se sviđa, baš ono, tanka pila...ali me temp zabrinjavaju :D

Bojim se zamislit zelene za 2-3 generacije kartica :nono:

Core2Duo22

17.05.2010. 14:33

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Zar nebi trebala GTX470 imati 2x6pin power connectora?:stoopid:

ThePornstar

17.05.2010. 16:10

Huh, ako takav, vanjskim izgledom sličan cooler nije mogao "tiho" ohladit 8800GT, onda kak će ovo? :D
Možda su iznutra korišteni metali vanzemaljske prirode, što bi značilo da će cijena bit ohoho. A možda su u šumi :D

kripton

17.05.2010. 19:05

Ove Galaxyijeve izgledaju opako :D
futuristicki skroz

Bukva

17.05.2010. 21:32

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Autor Core2Duo22 (Post 1646088)

Zar nebi trebala GTX470 imati 2x6pin power connectora?:stoopid:

Zakleo bih se da sam danas negdje već vidio te slike i da je pisalo da je to GTX260, a GTX470 single slot bi trebala tek doći po uzoru na ovu...

EDIT: Ovdje pak pričaju da je to GTX480
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...c-gtx-480.aspx
EDIT2: Izgleda da sam ja malo prenaglio... Spominjala se 260 samo u kontekstu da je već izdana, a ne da su to njene slike... Sry...

Doink the Clown

17.05.2010. 21:38

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EDIT2: Izgleda da sam ja malo prenaglio... Spominjala se 260 samo u kontekstu da je već izdana, a ne da su to njene slike... Sry...

Yep, i GTX260 ima 2x6 pin konektor.

JuiceBox

17.05.2010. 23:20

Ali ova nema 2x6 nego 1x6 i 1x8 , a ostale 470ke imaju 2x6, zasto to ?

Overhaul

17.05.2010. 23:36

bas si gledam, kad je izasla gtx280, otprilike je ista bila glede hajcanja i preformansi u odnosu na ranije generacije i konkurenciju. Za reviziju gtx285 trebalo im je 6 mjeseci. Nadam se da ce i sad bit tako, jer me svrbe prsti :)

MAGARAC

17.05.2010. 23:52

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Autor Overhaul (Post 1646609)

Nije to neki svrbež kad ga možeš trpit 6mj.. Dok to izađe vjerujem da budu i nove radeonke u igri .

Overhaul

18.05.2010. 00:18

Treba tek vidjeti mogu li trpit... dakle kolko bi to bilo jos...5 mjeseci? ;)
Mislim, pa moraju doc k sebi, pa za te pare barem ponudit, ak ne vec manju potrosnju, a ono barem uredno otkljucane svih 512 stream procesora. Tu nebi trebali nista novog radit, ne?

Wolverine

18.05.2010. 11:23

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Autor Overhaul (Post 1646642)

Mislim, pa moraju doc k sebi, pa za te pare barem ponudit, ak ne vec manju potrosnju, a ono barem uredno otkljucane svih 512 stream procesora. Tu nebi trebali nista novog radit, ne?

Jok, samo poboljšat proizvodni proces kako bi izvukli veći yeild :D

DeadMan+

18.05.2010. 13:00

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Autor Wolverine (Post 1646826)

Jok, samo poboljšat proizvodni proces kako bi izvukli veći yeild :D

to su navodno rijesili

Wolverine

18.05.2010. 13:16

Koliko sam gledao što pišu po netu još im je uvijek jednoznamenkast postotak ispravnih jezgri :D
No nije to naša briga. Osobno se ne zamaram time, nisam za to plaćen :p

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Back around mid-April, Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang described the manufacturing yield problems as having more to do with high demand than anything else.

http://hothardware.com/News/Nvidia-Y...ing-Just-Fine/

Koji stil razmišljanja :D Pa normalno da ne bi imali problema s ponudom kada bi potražnja bila manja.

npr. ako proizvodi (karikiram) sto kartica dnevno, a potražnja je dvije stotine onda su u minusu i imaju problema s isporukom. Kada bi potražnja pala na 50-100 kartica onda tog problema prividno ne bi bilo. Ali on i dalje proizvodi samo sto komada dnevno :D

Dakle ovo

Nvidia: Yield Problems are "Easing," Fermi Doing Just Fine

znači prije da imaju manje problema jer je potražnja za termijem pala, nego da su napravili poboljšanja u teh procesu proizvodnje

zkljaja

18.05.2010. 20:40

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Autor Bukva (Post 1646472)

Ovo i nije najsretnije rjesenje, zrak od 100+ (:D) stupnjeva je razbacan po kucistu i kartica ponovo taj vreli zrak usisava "za hlađenje". Trebala bi porasti potraznja za gtx 4x0 certified kucistima :lol2:

Doink the Clown

18.05.2010. 23:48

Još jedan udarac za Nvidiju

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BFG Tech: We're Done with Graphics Cards

BFG Technologies said Tuesday that it has decided to pack its bags and leave the graphics card arena for an undetermined time. The news is quite a shock, as it was assumed that a good chunk of its revenue stemmed from the sales of its beefed up GPU solutions. However the company will now focus its efforts on selling its line of BFG Tech power supplies, the Deimos gaming notebooks, and the Phobos gaming systems. "After eight years of providing innovative, high-quality graphics cards to the market, we regret to say that this category is no longer profitable for us, although we will continue to evaluate it going forward," said John Slevin, chairman of BFG Technologies in a statement. "We will continue to provide our award-winning power supplies and gaming systems, and are working on a few new products as well. I'd like to stress that we will continue to provide RMA support for our current graphics card warranty holders, as well as for all of our other products such as power supplies, PCs and notebooks."
For those who own a BFG card and it's still under warranty, that means you'll have access to telephone and email support. But as it stands now, BFG will no longer bring new graphics card products to the market--not even boards based on ATI GPUs. After serving as a Nvidia-exclusive card manufacturer for almost a decade, this could be a polite way of BFG announcing that--at this point in time--revenue just isn't possible using the current crop of Nvidia chips.
For many long-time customers, this is a sad day. BFG Technologies was well-known for its warranties, customer service, and stable overclocked Nvidia-based hardware.

Skužili su oni na vrijeme da nema tu značajnijeg profita.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GPU...BFG,10452.html

Halos

19.05.2010. 09:54

Da da, eto ga. Ja imam osjecaj da ce se još koji povući u dogledno vrijeme...

bluefluid

19.05.2010. 13:25

GeForce GTX 4-way SLI review

zgodan test ovog fanboy-a sa guru3d-a

MAGARAC

19.05.2010. 14:30

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24703

ASUS GeForce GTX 465

McG	20.05.2010. 19:40

End of the road for GTX 470?

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Word has now reached us of a 375W, dual-GPU, GTX 490. If true, then that could explain any reluctance to take new orders for the GTX 470.
nVidia could have choosen to move its GTX 470 cores to the new GTX 490 card, while it positions the 200W GTX 465 chip against AMD’s Radeon HD 5850.

Doink the Clown

22.05.2010. 10:18

:lol2:

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Nvidia GTX 465 Shipped to Customer by Accident?

A customer getting a lot more than he bargained for, by getting less than he wanted.

Even though the GeForce GTX 465 hasn't been announced yet, it seems that one may have trickled out to a consumer who purchased a GeForce GTX 470 – and got less than he bargained for.
Username "Moratorius" bought a Galaxy GeForce GTX 470, but had difficulty installing it because the driver didn't recognize it. Through some file editing, he finally got it to install, but still something wasn't quite right.
The card was identifying itself as a GeForce GTX 465 along with having 1024MB of RAM, as opposed to the 1280MB that the GTX 470 is supposed to have.
The core clock of the card runs at 608MHz, and the 1024MB of GDDR5 has a clock speed of 3208MHz. The shaders are clocked at 1215MHz at 256 bits.
All of those specs match up with the leaked Asus GeForce GTX 465, so this could be the real deal.
The story is still developing, so check for the latest word (as well as benchmarks) from the case of the mysterious card on the Overclock.net forums.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gtx...470,10478.html

pinkskin

22.05.2010. 10:40

Mislim šta reći, jel nisu nedavno rekli da im se yield poravio a sad prestaju proizvodit jednu seriju (470) kako bi imali za drugu (490), a da stvar bude gora to su več napravili pa sad onima koji naručuju 470 daju 465, ali još je i dobro, mogli su dobit drvenu grafu kakvu su jednom prezentirali.

Wolverine

22.05.2010. 10:46

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Mislim šta reći, jel nisu nedavno rekli da im se yield poravio a sad prestaju proizvodit jednu seriju (470) kako bi imali za drugu (490), a da stvar bude gora to su več napravili pa sad onima koji naručuju 470 daju 465, ali još je i dobro, mogli su dobit drvenu grafu kakvu su jednom prezentirali.

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Autor Wolverine (Post 1646972)

Koliko sam gledao što pišu po netu još im je uvijek jednoznamenkast postotak ispravnih jezgri :D
No nije to naša briga. Osobno se ne zamaram time, nisam za to plaćen :p

Najžešća izjava ikada

http://hothardware.com/News/Nvidia-Y...ing-Just-Fine/

Koji stil razmišljanja :D Pa normalno da ne bi imali problema s ponudom kada bi potražnja bila manja.

npr. ako proizvodi (karikiram) sto kartica dnevno, a potražnja je dvije stotine onda su u minusu i imaju problema s isporukom. Kada bi potražnja pala na 50-100 kartica onda tog problema prividno ne bi bilo. Ali on i dalje proizvodi samo sto komada dnevno :D

Dakle ovo

Nvidia: Yield Problems are "Easing," Fermi Doing Just Fine

znači prije da imaju manje problema jer je potražnja za termijem pala, nego da su napravili poboljšanja u teh procesu proizvodnje

McG	25.05.2010. 00:01

nVidia GeForce GTX 465 Preview: Worthy Successor or a Weak Link?

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We wouldn’t claim to know everything about the new graphics card from nVidia after testing it in only six tests, especially as driver updates can often improve the performance of modern unified-architecture graphics cards dramatically. However, it is already clear that the nVidia GeForce GTX 465 won’t be a success in its current form. At a recommended price of $279, it is but slightly cheaper than the Radeon HD 5850 but has a lower performance, comparable to that of the GeForce GTX 275. We can’t find any excuse for nVidia’s having developed yet another complex and expensive monster chip instead of an inexpensive mainstream graphics core

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Overhaul

25.05.2010. 02:32

To nije za likovanje, Ati je zbog toga vec poskupio, umjesto da pojeftini, ili izda novu brzu reviziju. A ako nema dostojne trzisne konkurencije, i napredak ce stati. Realno, evo ati je vec presao nekadasnji ciklus updateanja od 6 mjeseci, a kladim se da imaju
odgovor u ladici, jer ekonomisti blokiraju (s pravom) pustanje nove revizije u fabove.
Evo tipican primjer je i Intel: tko je prije dvije godine kupio i7, i dalje je na vrhu performansi i potpuno aktuelan. Tko zna jel bi sad izasao i7 970 da nije barem malko prismrdio amd thuban...

McG	25.05.2010. 14:16

Ne likujem, ali ova GTX 465 nije ni vrit ni mimo. AMD-ATi je izdal HD 5830 koja isto tak nije ni vrit ni mimo, tek kad je već imal cijelu ponudu na tržištu - od kartica za 50 do kartica za 500 dolara. nVidia već sad izdaje model koji nema apsolutno nikakvog smisla, s obzirom na cjenovni rang i performanse. Takvi izleti, kad se točno zna da model nema neku isplativost, se rade na kraju - kad je proizvođaču totalno svejedno, jer već ima cijelu ponudu, pa izdaje bezvezne modele, tek tolko da se nekaj izda.

DeadMan+

25.05.2010. 15:15

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ili da prodaju one chipove koji nisu bili dovoljno dobri za trenutne modele

McG	25.05.2010. 15:18

Ili to, a još kad na ljeto izdaju GTX 460 - onda bude stvarno šou i pol.

Matth€w

25.05.2010. 16:19

Puf u glavu, MSI ide odmah s Twin Frozom i GTX 465, a u ostalom, možda će još i štošta drugog Computex donjeti po pitanju aftermarket i non-referentnih coolera

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/15421/..._out_the_gate/

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Zotac AMP! GTX 480 i GTX 470

http://www.techpowerup.com/123060/ZO...ics_Cards.html

Gigi1

25.05.2010. 21:08

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Autor Matth€w (Post 1651602)

Pretjerivanje, ovo zauzima više od dva slota, a još topli zrak razbacuje po kučištu.
Jednostavno kada je grafa u startu fail onda je iako bila ne-referentnog dizajna u 90% slucajeva također fail.
Cekal sam od 2.mjeseca da nvidia izbaci fermi pa da kada cijene padnu kupim bilo ati bilo nvidiu no kako se to nije dogodilo i kako sada stvari stoje izgleda da bum još čekal par mjeseci.

Doink the Clown

26.05.2010. 10:38

GeForce GTX 480M – world’s fastest notebook GPU

NVIDIA Announces GTX 480M: Mobile Fermi Coming Soon

Bukva

26.05.2010. 10:48

Nisam baš siguran da bih htio 480 u laptopu zbog grijanja. Osobno, kada su prijenosnici u pitanju, radije bih i žrtvovao nešto preformansi u koristi temperatura.
Iako, opet, tko će kupovati lap sa 480, nekako mislim da mu ovo neće biti baš neki oveći prioritet...

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