PC Ekspert Forum - Nadolazeći AMD socketi, ploče i procesori

Before people get triggered at the fact that AMD even has this agreement with Global Foundry, remember that Glo Fo was AMD's manufacturing department that was spuned off because AMD needed cash to stop itself from going bankrupt.

Having said all that. Both AMD and Glo Fo are really lucky that the Zen 2 chips that will probably go gangbuster in 2019-2020 require Glo Fo's 14nm chips for the i/o, and it's entirely possible that Zen 3 chips will just move on to using the 12nm for the i/o.

This gives Glo Fo a lot of business and sales on nodes that they've already perfected in yields, so the folks who bought Glo Fo from AMD can now finally make money and even re-start the 7nm processs that was promising - but cancelled due to being a huge money sink.

Who knows, maybe Glo Fo's 7nm process will show up again as i/o die for the Zen 4/5 CPU's.

I'm happy for both companies. AMD is not known forn abandoning their partners at the drop of a hat like Nvidia or Intel, and I hope their relationship remains good.

Manuel Calavera

30.01.2019. 17:44

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3271943)

AMD Amends Wafer Supply Agreement with GlobalFoundries: 7nm Freed, 12nm+ Targets Set Through 2021

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Otkud da je ovo kao sad izmjenjeno?

Sjećam se kad sam svojevremeno čitao o tome bila je neka klauzula tipa - ako GloFo ne može AMD-u ponuditi neki ekvivalentan node (kao sada 7nm) AMD ima pravo uzeti od neke druge strane, bez ikakvih penala. Čak sam i to više puta pisao po forumu

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Autor Drug Brko (Post 3271944)

Samo me zanima što će sada biti kad Zen2 izađe, a lntelov 14 nm +++++++++ node bude spreman odma u Q2 2020, koju će onda dealbreaker "manu" naći kao pred 2 godine? Vjerojatno priču da AMD kupuje uslugu od Tajvanaca čiji radnici rade u nehumanim uvjetima bez prava na beneficirani radni staž i prekovremene sate.

Random blentavi Youtuber: "lako je Zen2 odlična arhitektura i procesor od 300 USD je u rangu ili bolji od 2.5x skupljeg lntelovog 8c/16t procesora, napomenimo to da za proizvodnju Zen2 procesora ljudi pate."

Tada više ni singltred FTW neće biti glavni forte, nego ljucka prava.

Ok, ne mora biti tako, ali neka nebitna stavka će se naći i hajlajtati gdje se god stigne :)

Moj guess bi bio sljedeći: zen2 8c16t će biti bolji u velikoj većini stvari od i9 9900K, bit će jeftiniji, gro efikasniji, hladniji, bolji IPC, jedino će u clocku kaskat. Samim time će biti bolji u velikoj većini benchmarka/programa (pogotovo ako se oslanjaju na multithread, odnosno ne oslanjaju gro na clock jedne jezgre, osim ako ih baš ne ubiju u IPC). Jedino bi u 1080p gamingu (sa rtx 2080Ti naravno :D) moglo biti "trading blows", ne samo zbog clocka, nego i optimizacija za intel, odnosno prednosti monolitskog, prostog cpu-a... E sad ako ispadne da je i9 9900K, odnosno i7 9700K brži u više od 50% naslova, bit će "still best gaming cpu" iz čega će proizaći da high end beskompromisni "gamer" useri daju karikiram 30,50, 60% više za 4% bolji best gaming cpu. Također masa "influencera" po youtubeu (bilo tech youtuberi, gaymeri i sl.) vjerojatno već imaju i9 9900K ili i7 9700K za gaming, samim time mogu komotno preskočiti zen2 (ako žele, oni ne moraju). Mada ako zen2 bude dobar kao što očekujemo, te se ne dogodi nešto nepredviđeno sa cijenama mislim da će biti prepoznat, hvaljen, preporučivan dominantno i sl.

Gigi1

30.01.2019. 18:07

U sestoj verziji ugovora su placali mali 'penal' glofo za sve sto se radi izvan glofo, u 9.mj. (kad je bilo jasno da nista od 7nm gf)su objavili da pregovaraju sa glofo za sedmu ver. ugovora, cilj u tim pregovorima im je bio da mogu stancati kod ostalih bez ikakvih penala, vjerujem da je u zamjenu za potpunu slobodu dogovoren polaris na gf 12nm + IO die isto na gf

Gigi1

30.01.2019. 20:57

Malo za usporedbu

Apple Q1 Revenue: $84.3B
AMZN Q3 Revenue: $56.6B
Alphabet Q3 Revenue: $33.6B
Intel Q4 Revenue: $19.0B
Facebook Q3 Revenue: $13.7B
QCOM Q4 Revenue: $5.8B
NVIDIA Q4 Revenue: $2.20B
AMD Q4 Revenue: $1.42B
ARM Q3 Revenue: $0.46B

stef	31.01.2019. 12:08

Ako se još netko sjeća ... ATI je AMD-a koštao $5B, netom prije nego što su izbacili "groundbraking" R600 DX10 flop :D. Da su se prodali nakon toga, bili bi duplo jeftiniji.
Ovo je najzdravija AMD-ova bilanca u zadnjih bar 10 godina, s vrlo dobrim prognozama za budućnost. S time da je riječ o kompaniji s podijeljenim fokusom što se tiče proizvoda, guraju top tier x86 čipove i GPU.
Srećom pa je fabless priča završila na kraju dosta pozitivno. Zbilja jesu agilniji i mogu kombinirati/žonglirati više opcija. Intel trenutno nemere ;). I sad ih treba šutnut dobro dok su na podu. Jer neće dugo trajat.

sakomako

02.02.2019. 11:05

Ima li se što reći na ovo ili otvoriti novi PDF sa nazivom China nadolazeći socketi i procesori?

https://arstechnica.com/information-...rs/?comments=1

Ako tko zna ima li kavih benchmarka, cijena i sl?

Naravno ovo se moglo okačiti i u Intela, ali ipak im je AMD partner.

No svakako fali i podforum o kineskim CPU. Ne škodi da se ponuda proširuje!:lol2:

Bubba

02.02.2019. 15:18

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Autor sakomako (Post 3272926)

No svakako fali i podforum o kineskim CPU. Ne škodi da se ponuda proširuje!:lol2:

Pa stancaju po VIA licenciji nekakve shrotove vec godinama i nitko se nesto spektakularno ne uzbudjuje zbog toga.

Zatvoreno trziste, hrpa ljudi, imas i more "specijalnih" nVidia chipova samo za njihova trzista (cini mi se neki 10x0 sa 5GB RAM-a i takve pizdarije).

I rusi su kombinirali s onim svoji Elbrusom pa se nitko nije posebno obazirao zbog toga.

thunderbird

02.02.2019. 19:01

Kina ko tržište može sve progutati, doslovno sve.
Da netko krene štancati pentium 4 CPU-ove, tamo bi imalo prođu :lol2:

sakomako

02.02.2019. 19:17

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Autor Bubba (Post 3273001)

Ne mislim na shrotove!

Ali mi je ovo zanimljivo:

"A chip almost identical to AMD's EPYC processor has begun to appear in China"

To je iz onog linka!

The Exiled

02.02.2019. 19:57

Baci pogled na pozadinu cijele priče.:)

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AMD and THATIC – Tianjin Haiguang Advanced Technology Investment Co – have formed a joint venture to, in AMD's words, "develop system-on-chips tailored to the Chinese server market that will complement AMD’s own offerings." AMD has basically licensed its microprocessor technologies to THATIC, which will build chips for enterprise, data center and government buyers in China. AMD licensed its Zen processor designs to its friends in China so they can produce complete chips that are, admittedly, virtually identical to its EPYC line.

sakomako

03.02.2019. 09:07

No poznavajući Kineze što možemo očekivati?

Drugo bilo bi lipo vidjeti kakve su karakteristike ovih procesora u odnosu na original?

A još lijepše imati neku naznaku o cijeni za usporedbu?

Također direktna usporedba ovih procesora u benchmarku ne bi štetila!

Bubba

03.02.2019. 10:07

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Autor sakomako (Post 3273212)

Sto bi trebao ocekivati osim statisticke pogreske benchmarka na doslovno istom procesoru samo otisnutom o necijem tudjem trosku? A i cijena je tebi nebitna kad je China only...

Manuel Calavera

03.02.2019. 11:47

Sakomako zar ne vidiš da je to za njihovu vladu, institucije i sl. To je samo outsorsan postojeći cpu. Neće se to moći kupiti, niti je to iole relevantno za cpu tržište (ne radi se o nikakvom globalnom "trećem igraču")

tiki66

04.02.2019. 08:01

Eventualno će se pojaviti za 15 godina na aliexpressu po 5$ kad neki kinez nađe te kompove u baji i odluči sve rasprodati :roller:

The Exiled

05.02.2019. 19:30

Škot s cache nostalgijom:)

Disco

06.02.2019. 11:58

Nikad dosta keša :D

The Exiled

12.02.2019. 11:51

TSMC to move 7nm EUV process to volume production in March

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Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) is expected to kick off volume production of chips built using an enhanced 7nm with EUV node at the end of March. ASML, which provides extreme ultraviolet (EUV) litho equipment, is looking to ship a total of 30 EUV systems in 2019. Of the units to be shipped, 18 have already been reserved by TSMC. TSMC is also on track to move a newer 5nm node to risk production in the second quarter of 2019.

The foundry will fully incorporate EUV in the 5nm node. TSMC CEO CC Wei disclosed previously the foundry expects to start taping out 5nm chip designs later in the first half of 2019 and move the node to volume production in the first half of 2020. Meanwhile, TSMC continues to expand its 7nm chip client portfolio. Wei noted that the foundry's 7nm chip client portfolio is "growing stronger" as more chip designs for applications such as HPC and automotive demand the process. TSMC started volume producing 7nm chips in April 2018, with AMD, Apple, HiSilicon and Xilinx reportedly being among its major 7nm chip customers.

The foundry will soon roll out its EUV-based 7nm process, which will boost its total 7nm chip sales to account for 25% of total wafer sales this year compared with 9% in 2018.

Izvor: DigiTimes

Brko	12.02.2019. 19:13

To znači da onda kreće masovka štancanja Ryzena ili?

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The Exiled

12.02.2019. 20:07

Mislim da je već lagano i krenulo, jer Zen 2 bude koristil "običan" TSMC-ov 7nm HKMG proces, dok je ovaj EUV zapravo 7nm+, a to je pak spremno za Zen 3.:)

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AMD Ryzen 3000 Matisse CPUs, X570 motherboards and Radeon Navi GPUs rumored for July 7 launch

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New report from RedGamingTech suggests that these new mainstream processors will come to market in July. More specifically, the publication says that its sources have indicated a launch date of July 7th, 2019 (7/7/2019). It should be noted the Radeon VII launched on February 7th. The assumption is that AMD is playing up the 7nm process tech used on these new chips with these “7” dates. The above date is when the processors are expected to be publicly available, which means that AMD will likely announce them well before; perhaps at Computex 2019. Complementing the Ryzen 3000 processors will be motherboards based on AMD's X570 chipset; it's assumed that these boards will also launch on July 7th.

Although the new Ryzen 3000 processors will still work on X470 motherboards (with a firmware update), the X570 platform should bring support for PCIe 4.0 and other performance tweaks. Finally, the same report says that the first 7nm Radeon Navi mainstream GPUs will also land in early July. Navi will represent a big GPU architecture shift for AMD, and it will market the cards towards the gaming sector. Navi is also expected to underpin the graphics pipeline of upcoming consoles from Microsoft and Sony, but those announcements will likely come at a later date.
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Izvor: HotHardware i Planet 3DNow!

Immortalis

28.02.2019. 11:12

https://amp.tomshardware.com/news/as...am4,38707.html

Jos da netko hoce izbaciti i TR4 workstation plocu...
Mada, glupo mi je ovo, nema 4 PCIe slota kao sto intel ploce imaju

Lewis

28.02.2019. 11:23

Svasta, Od kad je Workstation mATX ? Bit ce da su se najeli ludih gljiva pa sad "WS" stavljaju kao naljepnicu GTI na Golfa 1.6D :) :D.

hooligan.no1

01.03.2019. 16:58

7.7. nije daleko.
ASUS x570 high end nadolazeće ploče.

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/statu...52708722655235

Ispada da će mini-ITX IMPACT imati vertikalni VRM ?!!

The Exiled

03.03.2019. 14:59

Singaporean retailer lists purported Ryzen 3000 pricing

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Singaporean retailer Bizgram recently published a product catalog featuring some surprising newcomers: the Ryzen 3000 series. These CPUs have not been officially announced yet, although these specific model names have been leaked before. AMD has explicitly said "mid-2019" for the release date of the new CPUs, so to see a retailer already listing them is very curious, though expected when it comes to upcoming CPUs. Firstly, at this stage, it's unlikely prices have been finalized down to the dollar (and the prices are in Singaporean dollars, by the way). More interesting are the CPUs listed, which are identical not only in name but also in the order listed in AdoredTV's leak last year. Everyone would like for this rumor to be true, but given how little AMD has talked about Ryzen 3000, it's hard to make any sort of judgment at this stage.

https://i.postimg.cc/HnJvzvcg/AMD-Ryzen-3000.png

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

Dottore

03.03.2019. 16:56

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Autor hooligan.no1 (Post 3281843)

7.7. nije daleko.
ASUS x570 high end nadolazeće ploče.

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/statu...52708722655235

Ispada da će mini-ITX IMPACT imati vertikalni VRM ?!!

Imaju pogrešne izvore. Naziv ploča već postoje u Z170
primjer https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...S-VIII-IMPACT/

Manuel Calavera

03.03.2019. 17:48

Ali nije x570 rog crosshair, nego Z170 maximums, tako da ne mora biti prepreka

Brko	03.03.2019. 18:57

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Autor Dottore (Post 3282198)

Imaju pogrešne izvore. Naziv ploča već postoje u Z170
primjer https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...S-VIII-IMPACT/

Crosshair je flagship AMD serija ploča. Ne brini ;)

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stef	03.03.2019. 20:33

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Autor Lewis (Post 3281409)

Svasta, Od kad je Workstation mATX ? Bit ce da su se najeli ludih gljiva pa sad "WS" stavljaju kao naljepnicu GTI na Golfa 1.6D :) :D.

IPMI port, management modul i podrška za ECC memaru. To po definciji je WS/server ploča.

silver_tip

03.03.2019. 22:29

Zanimljivo je kako apsolutno nema nikakve racunice kupovati discrete grafiku tko uzima Ryzen 3 3x ili Ryzen 5 3x, ista je ~30$ kada pogleds cjene ostalih procosora u istoj seriji.
Naravno, onome tko se ne igra. Neka zvace 4k uredno i dobar cooler i prst u uvo. Jedan ventilator manje iliti grijace tjelo u kompu....

Dottore

03.03.2019. 22:52

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3282205)

Ali nije x570 rog crosshair, nego Z170 maximums, tako da ne mora biti prepreka

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Autor Drug Brko (Post 3282234)

Crosshair je flagship AMD serija ploča. Ne brini ;)

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Niste shvatili, radi se o rimskim brojevima. To bi moglo zbuniti

https://abload.de/img/18pk6m.jpg

https://abload.de/img/2yaje7.jpg

Ok je, navikao sam zapamtiti brojčane oznake od Intela (zadnje XI)

Manuel Calavera

03.03.2019. 22:59

Svejedno ne vidim što je sporno, ne radi se o istim pločama. Crosshair je na x370 bila VI, na X470 je VII, a na X570 će očito biti VIII. Ne može postojati eksluziva na broj

Brko	03.03.2019. 23:02

Ono što mi se ne sviđa je što VIII Hero odlazi u 2500+ kn segment, Formula bude 3000+, Impact bude 1800-2200 kn kao nadomjestak za one Strix modele ploča.

Ploču ne mislim menjat ionako ali svejedno. Samo CPU ide novi.

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Dottore

04.03.2019. 01:13

Nadam se više modela mini itx ploče.

Отправлено через SM-T820

shar	04.03.2019. 12:47

Čak i da ih bude par, teško da će lower end modeli bit dovoljni za išta ozbiljnije.

Eladio

04.03.2019. 15:03

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Autor shar (Post 3282366)

Čak i da ih bude par, teško da će lower end modeli bit dovoljni za išta ozbiljnije.

Pa obično su ok za 65w , izbora procesora s tim tdpom ima sasvim dovoljno. Ali da, treba biti oprezan ako se ganjaju 105w procesori treba i bolja ploča

stef	04.03.2019. 19:55

... i hladnjak od min 200kn, i napajanje neko kršteno :).
FX 8350 kako cucla, čuju se zavojnice i na rm650x kad proc šalta po naponima. Onaj R9 od 130W će biti slična priča.

hooligan.no1

04.03.2019. 21:15

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Autor shar (Post 3282366)

Čak i da ih bude par, teško da će lower end modeli bit dovoljni za išta ozbiljnije.

Možda ja živin u zabludi, ali koliko vidim u zadnjih godinu dana, čak i te lower end mini ITX ploče (i za Intel i za AMD) imaju bolje specifikacije (usporediš samo memoriju) nego neke mid range full ATX ploče.
Imam dojam da su proizvođači počeli više posvećivati pažnju tom segmentu i da će po njima to biti novi trend - minimalizam svega.

The Exiled

07.03.2019. 20:49

AMD 3rd Gen Ryzen Threadripper in 2019

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In a new presentation for investors AMD announced a more precise launch plan for its client APUs and CPUs for desktop, mobile, and server computers. The company is preparing to update its whole lineup of products for different types of client and server machines later this year. As it turns out, AMD intends to release its 2nd Generation Ryzen Pro mobile products for notebooks this spring. AMD also plans to introduce its 3rd Generation Ryzen processors sometimes in the middle of the year. A bit later on the company is set to launch its 3rd Generation Ryzen Threadripper CPUs for extreme desktops and workstations. AMD’s codenamed Rome processors for servers are also due in 2019, but the manufacturer does not elaborate about their exact timing. AMD’s 3rd Gen Ryzen processors for desktops rely on the brand-new design code-named Matisse. Matisse features two dies: a chiplet die containing eight cores based on the Zen 2 microarchitecture, and built using TSMC’s 7N manufacturing process; and an I/O die featuring PCIe 4.0 lanes, and built using GlobalFoundries’ 14LPP fabrication technology.

https://i.postimg.cc/vBF1YH0M/AMD-Ze...series-CPU.png

Izvor: AnandTech, The Tech Report i PC Perspective

Blue Spirit

10.03.2019. 14:06

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Autor Dottore (Post 3282302)

Nadam se više modela mini itx ploče.

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Autor hooligan.no1 (Post 3282503)

Kako što je manuel vec prije pisao da ce donji segment decidiranih GPU kartica ce izumrjeti zbog relativno jeftinih i dobrih AMD APU-u .

Vjerujem da će polako mini ITX i mini STX uzimati malo veći dio tržišta nego prijašnjih godina.

Koliko vidim Asrock polako oživljava i forsira mini STX standard ploča ( bivši INTEl 5x5 standard )

Mini STX je 30% manji nego mini ITX standard

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Autor shar (Post 3282366)

Čak i da ih bude par, teško da će lower end modeli bit dovoljni za išta ozbiljnije.

Asrock A300 = Mini STX sa Ryzen 2400G , Idle 36 C , Load 74 C

Preko 90% top 15 igara na Steam -u se može veoma solidno igrati na tom mini PC -u a ( skoro pa sve osim PUBG-a)

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Apex 48 do 60 FPS , 1080p low - prosjecni FPS 56

Dota 2 60 - 100 FPS , 1080p Best looking

CS:GO 73 - 85 FPS , 1080p High

Grid2 59 - 85 , 1080p High

A pogotovo kad stigne Ryzen 3300G 6C / 12 T kroz koji mjesec , trebao ići na taj mali PC sa updejtom biosa i omogučit ugradnja novog Ryzen 3300G ( sa snažnijim Navi 15 APU -om)

sljedece godine ce biti vjerojatno isti kejs i možda nova redizajnirana ploča samo sa novim Ryzen 3300G ( Navi 15 APU -om)

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13...-a300-mobo.jpg

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hooligan.no1

11.03.2019. 13:12

@ Blue Spirit

Fala za za ovako kratak i jasan info. :chears:

Osobno, kod mene mini ITX vodi, možda prvenstveno jer mi ipak daje neku slobodu u biranju i slaganju komponenti.

domina

11.03.2019. 14:37

Super je stx, ali za onako.. neki minimalistički ured.
Ipak budem išao na mini itx sa ryzen 3600g, m.2 diskom sa nekoliko storage-a.

Sva vremena su GMT +2. Sada je 10:10.

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