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Manuel Calavera 27.09.2017. 12:39

Ako ćete reklamirati, IMO bolje vam je pričekati treću godinu garancije, odnosno zen 2 (matisse)

Gigi1 27.09.2017. 13:02

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3107630)
Ako ćete reklamirati, IMO bolje vam je pričekati treću godinu garancije, odnosno zen 2 (matisse)


tocno, ako pak netko ide kupovat samo za 300 eventualno 400 MHz veci clock se ne isplati trosit lovu, radije puknut to u grafu

Amd_Shill 27.09.2017. 13:32

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Autor Drug Brko (Post 3107610)
Oho, dakle opet bi mogao imati 2600 u kompu :D
Znači Pinnacle Ridge R5 2600 6c/12t koji ide bez greške na 4.2-4.4GHz sa pristojnim voltažama da se ne hajca, moj je odmah :)
A i ploča i ram ostaju, dakle upgrade cost će biti mininalan.

@mob

Ili da izbace APU u rangu RX 560.

thunderbird 27.09.2017. 14:06

Spominnju se APu-i sa vegom 11, a ako vega 11 bude polovina vege 10, možemo očekivati grafiku u APUima u rangu rx570 :goood:

Manuel Calavera 27.09.2017. 14:15

Ono što sam primjetio je da u zadnje vrijeme raven ridge spominju isključivo u kontekstu laptopa

MadBoY 27.09.2017. 17:14

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Autor thunderbird (Post 3107669)
Spominnju se APu-i sa vegom 11, a ako vega 11 bude polovina vege 10, možemo očekivati grafiku u APUima u rangu rx570 :goood:

APU ce imati Vega GPU s 11 NCU (704 stream procesora), znaci nije ni blizu RX 56 i RX 64.

Manuel Calavera 27.09.2017. 23:50

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AMD to launch 12nm Ryzen in February 2018, says mobo makers

AMD has informed its partners that it plans to launch in February 2018 an upgrade version of its Ryzen series processors built using a 12nm low-power (12LP) process at Globalfoundries, according to sources at motherboard makers.

The company will initially release the CPUs codenamed Pinnacle 7, followed by mid-range Pinnacle 5 and entry-level Pinnacle 3 processors in March 2018, the sources disclosed. AMD is also expected to see its share of the desktop CPU market return to 30% in the first half of 2018.

AMD will launch the low-power version of Pinnacle processors in April 2018 and the enterprise version Pinnacle Pro in May 2018.

Their corresponding chipsets, the 400 series, will also become available in March 2018 with X470- or B450-based motherboards to be the first to hit the store shelves. The chipsets are still designed by ASMedia and its orders for the chipsets are expected to grow dramatically starting January 2018.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170927PD212.html

Manuel Calavera 16.10.2017. 19:35

AMD Ryzen 5 2500U ‘Raven Ridge’ APU With Radeon Vega M Graphics Spotted In HP Envy x360 Listing, Clock Speeds Confirmed

Manuel Calavera 05.11.2017. 15:07

AMD’s Snowy Owl Platform Update: Will Be Rolled Out As EPYC 3000 Series Lineup On The SP4r2 BGA Socket, EPYC Embedded 3251 SoC Spotted

8-16core SoC-evi od 65-100w i 64 pci-e lane

Gigi1 21.11.2017. 00:44

Skotova predvidjanja za 2018


Manuel Calavera 13.12.2017. 20:06

Potncijalni leak inžinjerskog primjerka APU-a sa 28CU

https://wccftech.com/amd-fenghuang-d...8-cu-graphics/

Nigdje ne piše da je Am4 socket

Manuel Calavera 08.01.2018. 15:15

VIA plans their x86 comeback

Amd_Shill 08.01.2018. 18:33

Oni su toliko zaostali u odnosu na AMD i Intel tako da taj povratak smiješno zvuči.
Isto kao da se prvak škole u Zmijavcima ide utrkivat sa Boltom. Ništa od toga.

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Brko 08.01.2018. 21:56

Ako kineski mine-dollars su neograničeni u količinama, zašto ne ?

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trouble 08.01.2018. 23:52

To rade prvenstveno kao low budget alternative za domaće tržište. Koliko ono Kineza? 2-3 milijarde? What can go wrong

Brko 09.01.2018. 07:28

Možda nas ugodno iznenade pa na prvu naprave proc u razini Vishere. I to bi za njih bio odličan poduhvat za početak.
Jasno je da neće napadati Ryzene i Intelove močvare, ali 3. igrač iole ozbiljniji bi itekako bio poželjan na tržištu.

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Manuel Calavera 09.01.2018. 08:13

Krenit će skromno

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In 2018 VIA plans to release their KX-6000 series of CPUs, offering 4 or 8 core processors with clock speeds of 3GHz with support for DDR4 memory and PCIe 3.0. This product is expected to act as a low-cost alternative to Intel's Gemini Lake SoCs that is built on TSMC's 16nm process (The KX-5000 series used a 28nm process).

There have also been claims that VIA's KX-7000 series of processors are expected to reach the same performance levels as AMD, delivering PCIe 4.0 and DDR5 memory support. At this time it is unknown whether they intend to meet the performance of existing Ryzen processors or achieve performance parity with AMD when KX-7000 products are released (Zen 2/3 timeframe?). It is also unclear whether VIA means performance parity in a general sense or just in select applications, either way, the x86 CPU market is about to get a lot more interesting.
Ne očekujem nešto bitno, ali bilo bi dobro da se pojavi treći igrač

Amd_Shill 09.01.2018. 08:16

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Autor Drug Brko (Post 3148109)
Možda nas ugodno iznenade pa na prvu naprave proc u razini Vishere. I to bi za njih bio odličan poduhvat za početak.
Jasno je da neće napadati Ryzene i Intelove močvare, ali 3. igrač iole ozbiljniji bi itekako bio poželjan na tržištu.

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Proc u rangu Vishere od VIAe je moguć onoliko koliko je moguć udar asteroida u Karlovac.

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Brko 09.01.2018. 08:31

U biti da, imaš pravo. VIA nikako ne može napraviti procesor koji se može toliko grijati i cuclati struje. To više ni sam AMD ne radi :D

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Amd_Shill 09.01.2018. 09:02

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Autor Drug Brko (Post 3148125)
U biti da, imaš pravo. VIA nikako ne može napraviti procesor koji se može toliko grijati i cuclati struje. To više ni sam AMD ne radi :D

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Mitovi i legende.
U rangu jednoroga i ljubičastih mačaka koje jedu zeleni beton. ;)

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Pupo 09.01.2018. 14:14

https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/09/...e-amd-patches/

lol, najebe AMD ni kriv ni dužan

virty 09.01.2018. 15:11

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Autor Amd_Shill (Post 3148122)
Proc u rangu Vishere od VIAe je moguć onoliko koliko je moguć udar asteroida u Karlovac.

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:roller:

Manuel Calavera 09.01.2018. 15:22

Višera čudo koje nikad neće biti "prevaziđeno" :D

Amd_Shill 09.01.2018. 16:20

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3148302)
Višera čudo koje nikad neće biti "prevaziđeno" :D

Vađenje iz konteksta.

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The Exiled 09.01.2018. 19:45

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Autor Pupo (Post 3148268)
lol, najebe AMD ni kriv ni dužan

Napalo ih:D, veli Majkrosoft da je do kombinacije AMD čipseta i AV softvera.:) U svakom slučaju zajebano, pogotovo sad kad na CES-u predstavljaju hrpu nadolazećih stvari.

nathan.fake 09.01.2018. 20:21

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Autor Pupo (Post 3148268)

Jel ima ko kaki konkretni primjer (svi copy/paste jedan te isti quote)? Po svem sto citam, navodno su zahvaceni stariji AMD-i, Athlon 64 i Athlon 64 X2.

Frend ima 3 Ahtlona 64 X2 (x2 5000+ i 1x 5200+, MBO su 2x NVIDIA i 1x ATI/AMD) sva tri kompa uredno nadogradjena, nikaki BSOD, doduse na sva tri ima samo Windows Defender :stoopid:

The Exiled 09.01.2018. 20:33

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Autor nathan.fake (Post 3148452)
Jel ima ko kaki konkretni primjer?

Baci pogled na službeni Microsoft Answers forum.

nathan.fake 09.01.2018. 22:06

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3148460)

problem je sto niko ne navodi konkretne i precizne informacije, sve su postovi od jedne te iste ekipe, samo preljevaju iz supljeg u prazno...

Athlon X2 6000+ je bio u Windsor i Brisbane jezgrama, da li bug pogadja obje?
(naime MS kaze da je do buga doslo zbog "nepotpune" AMD dokumentacije)

koji BIOS koriste na plocama? koji AV koriste? koju verziju W10 su imali prije nadogradnje?

bilo bi najjednostavnije da bug pogadja sve K8 procesore, ali ocito ne nego samo odredjene varijante :stoopid:

The Exiled 09.01.2018. 22:18

Znam, ali vidiš i sam da vlada opća pomutnja, tak da teško da budu išli u detalje kad panično traže rješenje za BSOD. Nekome sve radi, a drugi se javlja da ima crno-plavi ekran. I tak ukrug.

Microsoft se lijepo ogradil, jer su zakrpe za nešto što (u tolikoj mjeri) ne pogađa AMD - ljudima skršile mašine koje se uredno radile godinama. I nije problem u samim procesorima.

Kaj se tiče BIOS-a, obzirom da su redom u pitanju AM2(+)/AM3(+) ploče, za pretpostaviti je da ljudi imaju ono što je zadnje bilo dostupno, mada bilo bi stvarno super da navedu sve po spisku.

Kolko sam uspjel pohvatati, većina ih ima ili Windows 7 SP1 ili Windows 10 Pro (1703 i 1709) i onda kreće šou ovisno o čipsetu i AV-u, a prevladava Windows Defender.

Gigi1 18.01.2018. 11:38

nema grafi, bit ce apu-a

https://www.bug.hr/procesori/ryzen-a...lokiranje-2415

Disco 18.01.2018. 15:03

Ryzen 5 2600 3,4/3,8gzHz.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd...hero-mobo.html

EDIT:

Dakle 200mhz veci clock, bas me zanima da li ce OC moc gurat 4,5ghz.
Vjerojatno su svi podignuti za 200mHz i to je to.

segregator 23.01.2018. 14:49

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Autor Amd_Shill (Post 3147896)
Oni su toliko zaostali u odnosu na AMD i Intel tako da taj povratak smiješno zvuči.
Isto kao da se prvak škole u Zmijavcima ide utrkivat sa Boltom. Ništa od toga.

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Istina, slabašno izgleda...ali ne bi potcjenjivao Kineze:

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/zhaoxin/kaixian/kx-u5680

Manuel Calavera 23.01.2018. 14:53

Kao što sam pisao na drugoj temi, to kinezi u roku par godina planiraju lansirati odjeb zapadnim korporacijama tj. njihovim platformama, njihovim sigurnosnim propustima i kojekavim backdoorovima tj. špijuniranju pomoću istih.

Brko 23.01.2018. 14:58

Tako da mogu razviti svoj Meltdown, Sprectre i razne backdoors, kao i u svojim mobitelima koje su uspješno progurali ovamo :D

Mudri su oduvijek bili :)

Sent from Mobara

Manuel Calavera 23.01.2018. 15:10

Mislim da su im u prvom planu domaće potrebe, a kasnije - bože moj. :D

Znaš ovo - klik :roller:

Smartic 11.02.2018. 12:01

Jedan naručio i dobio R5 2400G prije launcha :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrRvBWZ1AFA

Mislim da je RAM dual-channel 2666MHz. Stream trajao 10h, ali samo 2h je uploadano.

The Exiled 21.02.2018. 19:24

AMD launches their Ryzen Embedded V1000 and EPYC 3000 Embedded series processors
AMD has officially released their new Ryzen and EPYC series of embedded processors, allowing AMD's Zen (and Vega) architectures to enter into additional markets and systems. AMD's EPYC 3000 series is designed to offer up to sixteen CPU cores in a compact form factor, while Ryzen V1000 processors combine up to four Zen cores and 11 Vega GPU core clusters to complete both visual and standard CPU driven computational tasks. Unlike previous EPYC CPU models, AMD's Ryzen embedded CPUs only comes with two CPU dies, creating half Naples/EPYC design that is more akin to Threadripper than socketed EPYC CPUs. EPYC 3000 series embedded processors will come with up to 16 CPU cores, 32 Threads, 32MB of L3 Cache, 64 PCIe lanes and quad-channel DDR4 2666MHz memory. Ryzen V1000 series GPUs are an embedded form of Raven Ridge, offering up to 11 Vega GPU core clusters and up to four/eight CPU cores/threads with a TDP of up to 45W. These models will offer a lower TDP than AMD's Raven Ridge desktop offerings, though AMD is shipping these models with support for 3200MHz memory out of the box.
https://s10.postimg.org/qddpdh7rt/AMD_EPYC.png
Izvor: TechPowerUp, OC3D, ComputerBase, The Tech Report, PC Perspective, HotHardware, ServeTheHome (1 - 2)

Manuel Calavera 22.02.2018. 10:54

Evo malo info o nadolazećim nodeima

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Summary

-Intel is struggling to figure out 10nm while TSMC, Samsung and GlobalFoundries push on to 7nm.

-SRAM cell size points to 7nm superiority.

-AMD's fabless business model puts the company in prime position to take advantage of Intel's manufacturing woes.

Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), which has been fabless for almost a decade now, might soon be the beneficiary of Intel's (INTC) fabrication woes as the latter company struggles to figure out its 10nm process. With AMD's upcoming processors likely to be manufactured on the 7nm processes of Intel's competitors, the power dynamic in the CPU market looks poised to rebalance in AMD's favor.

Intel originally planned to have 10nm products enter production in 2015, but the release was then postponed to 2H 2017. Then when nothing arrived in 2H 2017, Intel said it would introduce 10nm in late 2017 and begin volume production in 2018. But, as of the writing of this article, we have still yet to see or hear any significant, official updates from the company in terms of products manufactured using this 10nm process.

In the meantime, Samsung (OTC:SSNLF), Taiwan Semiconductor (TSM), and GlobalFoundries have been pushing full steam ahead toward 7nm processes that boast higher SRAM cell density by significant margins. Here's an excerpt from an EE Times article discussing Intel's presentation at the 2018 International Solid-State Circuit Conference ("ISSCC") a few days ago:

The Intel design shows 0.62–0.58x scaling compared to its 14-nm SRAM, maintaining Moore’s Law and “within 15 percent of the smallest reported 7-nm cell,” said Intel’s Zheng Gui, pointing to smaller 7-nm SRAMs from Samsung this year and TSMC at ISSCC 2017.

Intel is essentially saying "hey, we're not THAT far behind" whereas, before the years-long delay in its 10nm process, the company had an unquestioned manufacturing and technological edge. And sure, if they had come out with this process node in 2015 Intel would be sitting pretty, but instead, we're two months into 2018 and we still haven't heard much regarding 10nm products. Meanwhile, TSMC expects to begin volume production on 7nm in 1H 2018, Samsung is on a similar schedule, and GloFo is set for trial production in mid 2018 and volume production soon thereafter. Here's a summary table for comparisons between the different nodes:

https://static.seekingalpha.com/uplo...922_origin.png

As we can see, 6T (six-transistor) SRAM cell size does not look good for Intel in the slightest. While the 7nm processes are all in the same ballpark in SRAM cell density, Intel is at 0.0312 (well at least they're within 15%). SRAM cell density is not the be-all, end-all for determining which processes will ultimately perform better, but Intel's multi-year delay for 10nm and the inferiority of SRAM cell density don't appear to bode well as the company matches up with competitors' processes.

What does this have to do with AMD? Unlike Intel, which manufactures its own chips, AMD decided to spin off its fab business (which is now GlobalFoundries) back in 2009. While Intel has to worry about each new node in addition to each new architecture, AMD can play the field and use whichever process fits best with the company's strategy. Therefore, AMD appears to have an opportunity that it hasn't had in quite some time: To compete on a level playing field. More specifically, without Intel's usual significant process advantages, the battle of microarchitecture vs. microarchitecture becomes much more interesting.

This isn't to say AMD will surpass Intel in every single processor performance metric - the process node is not the only determining factor of performance. However, Intel's current situation seems precarious and could snowball into a more significant disadvantage if the company doesn't get its act together soon. But even now, what we know about Intel's 10nm compared to other 7nm processes indicates that AMD's next generation of CPUs could very well be more competitive on a process basis, which would narrow the gap in performance between the two companies' chips (provided AMD doesn't drop the ball on the microarchitecture).

Investor Takeaway

Whereas AMD has had to fight against the tide of a process disadvantage for years, now it appears that the company will have access to an on-par or possibly better process than Intel. This is huge. This won't impact the current Zen processors (14nm node) or Zen+ processors (expected 12nm), but once Zen 2 hits the market, likely in 2019, the CPU space will become very interesting.

What's especially exciting for AMD investors is that regaining the technological edge in the fab business isn't easy once you've fallen behind. That Intel has now delayed its 10nm process for close to three years should be of substantial concern to INTC shareholders and should be a source of optimism for those holding a stake in AMD, considering the two companies might be on equal footing in the process game for the foreseeable future. And yet, in the face of losing the competitive advantage in the fab business, Intel still hasn't begun production of 10nm processors. I don't see any way an objective observer could see this development as anything else other than a boost for AMD and a blow for Intel.

The challenge Zen 2 and later generations of CPUs must overcome is one of mindshare: Intel still has the brand, the entrenchment, and the prestige. In my opinion, AMD can make a significant dent in Intel's mindshare (and market share) with solid execution on Zen 2. Currently, AMD is a competitor on price/performance alone, which is good for consumers but bad for gross margins. However, I think Intel's missteps on 10nm and other foundries' advancements on 7nm will allow AMD to more ably compete on a head-to-head basis, which will increase mindshare, market share, and revenue while also providing a boost to gross margins as well.

And yes, it's possible Intel will get its 10nm troubles figured out and have products manufactured on the process hitting shelves before the end of March. But realistically, the three-year delay has changed the balance of power in the industry: Intel is following, not leading. As a fabless company, this scenario benefits AMD. Further, I think this rebalancing of power gives AMD an opportunity with Zen 2 to truly challenge Intel's dominance, and if other foundries continue to outpace Intel, that opportunity will only expand.

Gigi1 22.02.2018. 15:38

skot o nodovima, epycu i tome kako bi intel 2019/20 mozda bio u podređenoj poziciji




ovako bi mogao izgledati epyc/rome 2019 sa 64 jezgre, znaci crveno u sredini je kompleks koji bi na sebe obuhvatio cache, kontrolere i sve sto nisu ciste jezgre, ostala 4 okolo bi bile samo jezgre(16 svaka), znaci 4*16=64 jezgre/128 dretvi

https://s14.postimg.org/igw5ai6sd/rome5die.jpg

The Exiled 22.02.2018. 15:51

AnandTech ima dosta opširan intervju koji se fino nadovezuje na priču o trenutnim i budućim proizvodnim procesima. AMD je unutar godine dana s novom Zen arhitekturom pokril sve važnije tržišne segmente i pod pretpostavkom da u međuvremenu ne naprave neku žešću glupost, stvarno bi mogli biti (i ostati) konkurentni jedan dulji period.


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