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Drvoje 09.03.2017. 17:53

Strgaj mu CR7 poster kad ga ne bude u uredu, i posprejaj na zidu "Sidorovich was here!" :p

Manuel Calavera 10.03.2017. 01:44

Još B350 ekipe

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t#gid=87938175

Eladio 12.03.2017. 12:46

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3034825)

Ako sam dobro vidio na 1.2nesto V mozes imati 3,8ghz.. pa to stvarno ne bi trebalo biti rizicno podrucje za b350 , performance/kn best buy :fiju:

Manuel Calavera 12.03.2017. 14:18

Dobro mislim da te za tako nešto mora pogoditi primjerak. Vidim lista se još popunjava

IMO pravi šampioni su ovi sa 1.18v i 3.750 mhz na asus B350 prime, te 1.168v i 3692mhz na B350 tomahawkici :D
Čovječe to sipće struju, a rastura u MT performansama

Ovaj što je praktično undervoltao (1.216v) i 3.5ghz na tomahawkici B350 mi djeluje kao nešto realno za svaki ili većinu primjeraka.

Ne znam otkud sam ovdje linkao, ako treba nek se prebaci

Eladio 12.03.2017. 14:58

1,18V i 3,7 ..to je to :)

Manuel Calavera 15.03.2017. 20:54

AMD Pinnacle Ridge CPUs and Raven Ridge APUs Detailed – High-Performance Pinnacle Ridge To Feature 8 Zen 2 Cores, Raven Ridge Comes With 4 Zen and 11 Vega GPU Cores

Eladio 15.03.2017. 21:23

Zanimljivo, ipak ubacuju uskoro i nesto za laptope temeljeno na zen/vega tehnologiji

"AMD looks very strong with the current product roadmap and they have some really cool stuff coming out in the next few years."

Outmind 16.03.2017. 14:17

R5 Stiže 11.4. - 4 modela, 3 sa coolerima, cijene su od 170 do 250 dolara:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11202/...n-5-april-11th

Amd_Shill 18.03.2017. 08:00

AMD launching "X399" HEDT Zen platform 2H 2017

Public knowledge by now but AMD has a new HEDT platform coming out in a couple of months
You'll see more of it at Computex I believe.
It's a 16 core /32 Thread, quad channel behemoth. And it is insanely quick in the tests that Ryzen is already excelling at. So Cinebench, and all other related productivity programs. The gaming issues that were causing the Ryzen AM4 CPUs to behave erratically to say the least have been ironed out. It's akin to a newer revision on a newer platform. This should be competing with the Xeon and of course 6950X Intel offers for $1700~$1800USD, but at about $1,000 USD if not less for some Skews. Coming soon.
CPSs are pretty big physically, about twice the size of surrent 6950X CPUs and a bit more perhaps.
And if you were hoping for pins, nope it's strictly LGA!
IT's NOT 8 channel, but Quad.

Manuel Calavera 24.03.2017. 18:39

Rumor: AMD X390 and X399 chipsets diagrams leaked?

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Too elaborated to be fake... and if it ends up being a fake, I would suggest the faker to find a job!
:D

Manuel Calavera 25.03.2017. 15:13

AMD Ryzen CPU with 12 cores and 24 threads spotted

Lewis 25.03.2017. 15:32

To je to, sad samo nek izbace Dual/Quad socket modele i ploce po dobroj cijeni i bit ce frke u Intel taboru :D :D.

Eladio 25.03.2017. 15:37

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3041376)

nije amd puno promjenio strategiju, udara s puno jezgri po cipu.. :D

Manuel Calavera 25.03.2017. 17:05

Promjenio je itekako, sad će izgleda napast i intelove HEDT i dual socket xeone. FX se cjenovno borio sa i3-icama i i5-icama, dvije potpuno različite stvari po pitanju performansi i financija

X390 navodno 44 lejnsa, no uzet sve sa lopatom soli

shar 25.03.2017. 18:51

Teško da će Intel gledati kako gubi kupce samo tako, pa dioničari će krenut na njih sa vilama, bakljama, bit će lomača itd

Gigi1 26.03.2017. 13:51

Problem intela sto ih je amd ulovio flat footed, previse su igrali na kartu da ce zen arhitektura biti fail, a ispalo je surotno.
Intel koliko god jaca kompanija od amd trenutno bas i nema odgovor, vjerojatno ga ni sa sljedecom generacijom proceva nece imati.

Amd_Shill 26.03.2017. 13:54

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Autor Gigi1 (Post 3041699)
Problem intela sto ih je amd ulovio flat footed, previse su igrali na kartu da ce zen arhitektura biti fail, a ispalo je surotno.
Intel koliko god jaca kompanija od amd trenutno bas i nema odgovor, vjerojatno ga ni sa sljedecom generacijom proceva nece imati.

Teško da Intel nije znao kakav će bit Zen.

Poslano sa mog E6653 koristeći Tapatalk

Gigi1 26.03.2017. 13:56

Prema ovome sto se trenutno odvija izgleda da nisu znali

Da su oni znali pred 2god kakav ce bit zen sumljam da bi im top desktop proc u 2017 imao samo 4 jezgre

Nybelung 26.03.2017. 14:23

A 4/4 i 4/8 kao nije bilo dovoljno za kućnog korisnika? Intel je proračunat ko Sidorovich. :D Daje taman koliko treba, ni promila viška, a bome ovima koji su furali i7, još od Nehalema, kroz sve ove godine nije ništa ni falilo.

Eladio 26.03.2017. 14:25

Nisu znali, racunali su mozda da nece biti ni 40% povećanje ipc, problemi s taktovima iznad 3ghz o kojima se suskalo. Pa i proizvodjaci mbo su ostali paf. Kasne s isporukama, biosi itd.
Amd je to dobro skrivao dok se intwl previse opustio.

S druge strane sjecam se nvidiw koja svaki put ima rješenje na pokusaje amda ..

Intel nije u problemima, ali jos malo i amd se vraca :)

Manuel Calavera 26.03.2017. 14:35

Ma znali su oni točno kakav je. Jednostavno su proračunati, moraju uzeti u obzir:

- isplativost. Čak i da mogu napraviti bitno bolju arhitekturu (što je veoma dvojbeno), ne isplati im se u to utući milijarde kad će svejedno izgubiti marketshare jer će ovoga puta postojati konkurencija u svim segmentima. Naravno sa primjetno boljom arhitekturom bi izgubili manje marketsharea, ali vjerojatno gledaju uloženo/dobiveno

- tehničke limitacije. Clockovi i ipc se ne mogu bitno povisiti već godinama, tako da su ta dva segmenta došla skoro do zida. Znači ostaje paralelizam (broj jezgri), mijenjanje cijena i feature-i (4K netflix :D, optane ssd i sl.)

Eladio 26.03.2017. 14:38

Mislim da tu nije problem lova. Pogotovo jer je imaju :) nabacili bi sad oni hrpu milijardi da neko prodaje bolje gotovo rjesenje ne sumnjam. Sve u svemun amd je tu, intel ima svoju liniju koja nije nekonkurentna, dapce .. nego smo treba refresh naziva i cijena :) i mirqju se malo trgnut :)

Ali bas me briga, jedva cekam siru najezdu ryzena u sve segmente :)

Manuel Calavera 26.03.2017. 14:44

Nije im problem lova, ali gledaju s kojim će pristupom više zaraditi. O tome je riječ. Ugl. cijeđenje core arhitekture ide barem do 2020 to se odavno zna

Bono 26.03.2017. 15:14

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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3041726)
Nije im problem lova, ali gledaju s kojim će pristupom više zaraditi. O tome je riječ. Ugl. cijeđenje core arhitekture ide barem do 2020 to se odavno zna

Mislis trebalo je ici do 2020? :D

Manuel Calavera 26.03.2017. 15:16

Pa ne mogu preko noći smixat novu arhitekturu. Moraju izbacit cannonlake, ice lake i tiger lake. Sva ta jezerca su core arhitektura

Bono 26.03.2017. 15:29

Ne mogu, ali planovi su tu da se mijenjaju. Znaci mogu probati nesto izbaciti iduce godine ili 2019.

Manuel Calavera 26.03.2017. 15:59

Njih čak ne jebu tehnološke mogućnosti core arhitekture (skylake-x i kaby-x će biti brži od ryzena nedvojbeno), nego ih jebu cijene koje je amd nametnio. Em bi još trebali prepolovit cijene, tu još dijele marketshare sa još jednim konkurentom. Prodaja i profit padaju kako god okreneš, tu oni ništa ne mogu napraviti, o tome se radi. Ako x266 procesori opet budu duplo i trostruko skuplji, malo koga će zanimati to što su xy % brži. Na kraju krajeva izbacit će i amd nove zenove nagodinu

Gigi1 26.03.2017. 17:07

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Autor Nybelung (Post 3041715)
A 4/4 i 4/8 kao nije bilo dovoljno za kućnog korisnika? Intel je proračunat ko Sidorovich. :D Daje taman koliko treba, ni promila viška, a bome ovima koji su furali i7, još od Nehalema, kroz sve ove godine nije ništa ni falilo.

Ovom logikom moze se doci do toga da je recimo auto nepotreban, bicikl je sasvim dovoljan za obicnog korisnika.
Kuzis recimo moja stara dere bespucima interneta na prastarom monocore sempronu, to ne znaci da je to dovoljno za avakog kucnog korisnika.

Ja sam jedan od tih koji prozvakuje staru i7 evo vec skoro 8god., i vjeruj mi da bi odavno bio na necem novijem da mi je bilo isplativo prelaziti.

Mislim da jos nismo svjesni koliki bi zen mogao biti udarac intelu ako se ne trgnu dovoljno brzo i ne promjene nesto, evo sad citam da na novu x299 platformu stavljaju 4core proc...meni je to potpuno nerazumno.

Manuel Calavera 26.03.2017. 19:03

Ovo izgleda nije bilo linkano, mada uzeti clockove sa zrnom soli

AMD's rumoured 180W 16-core Ryzen part will reportedly run at 3.1/3.6GHz

U svakom slučaju gdje ima dima ima i vatre, vrlo vjerojatno postoji nekakav amd ekvivalent intelovim quad channel i 40 pci-e lanes procesorima. Ionako ne vidim smisao da nemaju ponudu i u tom segmentu ako već imaju 8c16t u mainstreamu + 32c64t x2 na serverskoj platformi.

Gigi1 26.03.2017. 21:45

Ma da boosta samo do 3.4GHz puna saka brade.
I tih 16 jezgri je isto jedan od razloga da jos nismo svjesni u kakve bi potencijalne probleme intel mogao upasti, pa je tu i mobilno trziste, pa serversko sa naplesom.
U principu je desktop trziste amdu 'najnepovoljnije'

Tdp od 180W za onakve clockove uopce nije los

Bono 26.03.2017. 22:14

Nije ni malo slican procesor od Intela kosta 2000 dolara i ima TDP od 120W j max turbo boost mu je na 3ghz. Ne sumnjam da nece biti konkurentan samo me eto iznenadio tdp, vise bi pasao taj tdp na 32c procesor

Gigi1 27.03.2017. 22:42

user7341 sa reddita....

Zen Power Draw, or: Why I'm Not Afraid of 32-Core Skylake


We'll start here: http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/conte...cpu-review.png

This shows the 1800X, which handily beats the 6900K in performance at stock values, running 12% lower power at full load and using two-thirds less power at idle. There are two factors not counted in to this. 1) Ryzen is a SoC which has lots of the I/O functionality built in, so that power budget is used on the CPU instead of the chipset. 2) Naples 2p systems will use infinity fabric built into the CPU to communicate between CPUs and attached devices where Intel's systems must communicate through a slower southbridge chipset which consumes more power (and those chipsets are manufactured on older, less power-efficient nodes). Both of these factors mean the gap reported is likely to be even more in AMD's favor for server parts.

Here you can see the same comparison with both CPUs locked to 4GHz: http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/conte...cpu-review.png

This is less favorable, on the surface of the thing, but if you actually examine what this means, it's very important and a very good indicator for AMD. Idle power draw is still very, very good compared to Intel HEDT. Again, the onboard I/O is contributing an unknown amount of power to the total draw for Ryzen, but that's not the important part. The important part is that you can see that the fully-loaded draw ramps up between 3.6GHz and 4.0GHz enough to shift the advantage to Intel. That means AMD's Ryzen chips are already binned pretty high on their ideal power curve and reducing the frequency by a few hundred megahertz can save a massive amount of power. (This will be confirmed in some other charts.)

This chart gives comparative numbers for a wider variety of CPUs: http://www.techspot.com/articles-inf...h/Power_02.png

This is full system load, not just CPU draw, so it's not a perfect data set but it's still very telling. Notice the big drops from the 1800X down to the 1700X. Notice how close the 1700X is to 4c Devil's Canyon and 6c Broadwell-E. Also take note that Intel's Broadwell-E 8c part (6900K) makes an unfavorable showing compared to it's Haswell-E predecessor. This is mostly due to the clock speed differences, but it shows that there's very little power efficiency gained between those generations.

These two reviews show that that efficiency gain continues very well from the 1700X down to the 1700: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages..._review,7.html http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages..._review,7.html

This chart from PC Perspective provides more confirmation of Ryzen's power advantage over Broadwell-E: https://www.pcper.com/files/review/2017-02-27/power.png

Remember, the 1800X trounces the 6900K in Cinebench R15, so even if it were using more power, it would be more efficient. Again, this chart is using full system load, so it's not ideal. However, that's at least partially off-set by the onboard I/O vs. chipset power (which is to say that some of that "full system draw" on Intel's side is counted in the CPU draw on AMD's side).

Ryzen total system power compares remarkably well with 4c Kaby Lake: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/..._1800X/14.html

So what does all of this mean for Naples? Well, first, it means AMD is already crushing Broadwell-E in performance-per-watt. Skylake-E is a new platform and we don't know everything about it, yet, so Intel could surprise us with some amazing power efficiency gains, but comparing the desktop platforms shows us that Skylake did not make significant gains in power efficiency from Broadwell. So given what we know about Haswell to Broadwell to Skylake on the desktop and what we know about Haswell-E to Broadwell-E, it certainly doesn't give us any reason to expect a surprise from Skylake-E.

It also means the Samsung/GloFo process is demonstrating a very good power curve. Server parts are not likely to be clocked at 4GHz. The rumored 32 core Skylake part runs at a speed of 2.3 GHz. Extrapolating from the power curve of Ryzen 7, it seems like AMD and GloFo will handily beat Intel's power efficiency at that speed. The MCM design of Naples could also enable them to offer higher clock-speeds (we'll have to wait and see on this).

So, Naples probably offers a more competitive price out of the box, better TCO and vastly superior I/O. But it's okay, because Intel still has AVX-512! Right, Brian?

Manuel Calavera 12.04.2017. 19:40

AMD Targets Wireless Desktop VR, Acquires Nitero

Gigi1 11.05.2017. 01:27

fino, zahuktava se i u hedt segmentu

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-16-12-...n-cpus-leaked/

ako se ne varam skylake-x od intela ide na max 12c/24t(bar po najavama) i mislim da je intel svjestan da u ovoj generaciji ne moze parirati amd-u po potrošnji/zagrijavanju pa vjerojatno iz istog razloga ne idu na veci br.jezgri.
jos da je vidjeti kako ce oba tabora formirati cijene..

Bariarnil 11.05.2017. 06:17

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fino, zahuktava se i u hedt segmentu

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-16-12-...n-cpus-leaked/

ako se ne varam skylake-x od intela ide na max 12c/24t(bar po najavama) i mislim da je intel svjestan da u ovoj generaciji ne moze parirati amd-u po potrošnji/zagrijavanju pa vjerojatno iz istog razloga ne idu na veci br.jezgri.
jos da je vidjeti kako ce oba tabora formirati cijene..

To bi bilo točno da Intelovi HEDT nisu Xeoni koje cutdownaju i stave u X299. AMD izbacuje 32core Naples, a Intel je sada objavio 'samo' 28core Xeon. Misiš da tu staje? Nop, već postoje rumori za 32core, čeka se AMD. S druge strane, Ryzen troši oko 5w manje od konkurenta s Intel strane u HEDT-u, to je taman razlika za koju će SkylakeX i KabyLakeX biti efikasniji od Ryzena ;)

Gigi1 11.05.2017. 09:00

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Autor Bariarnil (Post 3058830)
To bi bilo točno da Intelovi HEDT nisu Xeoni koje cutdownaju i stave u X299. AMD izbacuje 32core Naples, a Intel je sada objavio 'samo' 28core Xeon. Misiš da tu staje? Nop, već postoje rumori za 32core, čeka se AMD.

Mislis da bi Intel samo tako olako prepustio amd vodstvo u core countu - da svi pisu bombasticne naslove amd naples, mrcina od 32 jezgre koja ce spastiti svijet :) malo sam pretjerao ali kuzis poantu, to je prakticki free marketing nekako sumljam da bi intel to samo tako prepustio

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Autor Bariarnil (Post 3058830)
S druge strane, Ryzen troši oko 5w manje od konkurenta s Intel strane u HEDT-u, to je taman razlika za koju će SkylakeX i KabyLakeX biti efikasniji od Ryzena ;)

nisam ovo bas skuzio, ili mozda jesam, ugl. mislim da je puno relanije gledati r7 1700 ili 1700x power draw, a ne od 1800x(tvornicki jako nafrljen), taktovi za 16jezgri su tu negdje za 1700-tkom pa kad se uzme njen power draw razlika od 5w se dosta poveca

Bariarnil 11.05.2017. 09:04

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Autor Gigi1 (Post 3058856)
Mislis da bi Intel samo tako olako prepustio amd vodstvo u core countu - da svi pisu bombasticne naslove amd naples, mrcina od 32 jezgre koja ce spastiti svijet :) malo sam pretjerao ali kuzis poantu, to je prakticki free marketing nekako sumljam da bi intel to samo tako prepustio



nisam ovo bas skuzio, ili mozda jesam, ugl. mislim da je puno relanije gledati r7 1700 ili 1700x power draw, a ne od 1800x(tvornicki jako nafrljen), taktovi za 16jezgri su tu negdje za 1700-tkom pa kad se uzme njen power draw razlika od 5w se dosta poveca

Nisam ni rekao da bi Intel olako prepustio vodstvo. Upravo suprotno, postoje rumori za 32core Xeon.
Kasnije sam samo natuknuo da 1800X troši točno 4w do 5w manje od 6900K stock vs stock. Slažem se da je 1700 daleko bolja kupnja od 1800X i da troši još oko 25w do 30w manje(mozda, nisam vidio testove).

Manuel Calavera 11.05.2017. 11:53

Cijena tu igra veliku ulogu. Intel je za 10c20t tražio 1700$, pretpostavljam da 12c24t neće biti puno jeftiniji, ako uopće bude jeftiniji. S druge strane AMD će nešto više od 1000$ (treba vidjeti koliko cijene pci-e lanese i quad channel) tražiti za 16c32t, te još ako per core budu iole sličnih performansi...

Manuel Calavera 12.05.2017. 00:04

AMD Zen Based Enterprise CPU / APU Roadmap Leaked: 14nm Naples With 32 Cores in 2017, 7nm Starship With 48 Cores in 2018 – Zen 1 and Zen 2 Based Horned Own, Grey Hawk, Banded Kestrel and River Hawk CPUs Detailed

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AMD X399 HEDT Platform May Be Announced at Computex, Launching Along side Intel’s X299 – Boards Already In Production

On the X399 front, we have been getting a lot of details lately. Alleged specifications of AMD X399 HEDT Ryzen processors were leaked yesterday and we got the chipset block diagrams a while back too. AMD’s X399 platform will have a lot in common with the Snowy Owl “Naples” chips that were reported just few hours back but they are configured for a new socket, not packaged in BGA as form factor as the Snowy Owl based processors. The chips will have various configurations, we can expect anywhere from 8, 12, 16 cores which would compete directly against Intel’s X299 Skylake X series processors that will come in 6, 8, 10 and 12 core variants.

The most interesting fact is that AMD is eyeing an X399 launch window alongside Intel’s X299 so we can guess that these chips arrive as early as next month. Intel’s X299 platform will also be announced at the Computex floor, followed by NDA lift on 12th June and finally market availability on 26th June. We can expect the fight between the two HEDT platforms (X299 vs X399) to be really brutal, giving both CPU makers a chance to pit their best high-end desktop chip against one another. We have also heard from our sources that AMD is already planning to bring forth an army of X399 boards which are already in production.

Bariarnil 12.05.2017. 06:57


Oštra borba na cpu frontu. Odlično. Još kad bi se X399 ploče mogle naći bar za 200€+ bilo bi optimalno.

@Manuel, zar stvarno misliš da bi Intel to učinio? Dopustio da izgube negdje i to za tolku razliku u cijeni? Pa pogledaj što im NVidia radi. 1080 se prodavo $700+ sve dok nisu iz sprdnje izbacili artiljeriju da kontriraju Vegi.


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